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0:39He's a legendary actor known for movies

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0:54A wonderful time catching up with the

0:56Cedo rat himself. Mr. Josh Brolin.

1:10>> [music]

1:17>> And I don't want to find out what's

1:18behind door number two with my Dyson.

1:20>> You don't say. You just you take what he

1:21gives you.

1:22>> Totally.

1:23>> So.

1:24>> Hey, man.

1:25Thanks for having me on your show.

1:26>> Dude, thank you for being here, man.

1:28>> Seriously, it's nice to see you.

1:29>> You too, bro. It's a pleasure, bro. It's

1:32um

1:33Yeah, it's and I don't know if I can if

1:35I can say this and I can take this part

1:36out. It's a it's nice to talk to another

1:38alcoholic.

1:38>> Totally.

1:39>> Is that okay to say?

1:40>> Yeah. I think everybody knows it by now.

1:43I don't know if everybody knows it with

1:44you. They definitely know it with me. I

1:46don't really talk about AA but I talk

1:47about sobriety a lot.

1:48>> Okay.

1:49>> Yeah.

1:49>> And that's Are you sure that's okay if I

1:50said that?

1:51>> [ __ ] yeah.

1:51>> Okay. Cuz God, dude, yeah, sometimes

1:53it's like you if you see somebody else

1:55that's

1:56you know, I don't know. It just feels

1:58like something's a little different.

1:59>> Yeah, there is. And you're out there

2:01now. You know, it's funny. I was

2:03thinking I'll tell you the story really

2:04quick. Celsius, I guess you're is your

2:07company or not your company, but you're

2:09sponsored by them or whatever. Liquid

2:11Death.

2:12>> Yeah.

2:13>> So Liquid Death I have like a little

2:15tiny stake in or whatever. And and the

2:17whole reason why Liquid Death did so

2:19well cuz if you look at the cans, they

2:20look like 40s, right? And people are

2:23drinking less and less. Like whether

2:25they're getting sober or not is kind of

2:26beside the point, but they're drinking

2:27kids are drinking less and less. So they

2:30go to these concerts and they'd have

2:31these cans and the kids started drinking

2:33these cans that are full of water and it

2:35made them feel like they weren't ousted.

2:39That they weren't going to be judged

2:41because they weren't drinking cuz they

2:43had a can in their hand that looked like

2:44they were having a beer.

2:45>> Oh, yeah, they used to be in the group.

2:47When that metal hits your lips

2:48>> Seriously, man.

2:49>> Right?

2:49>> Yeah, there's a little bit of

2:50>> you hear that

2:52It's great.

2:53>> Yeah, you almost like

2:54>> And even as a sober guy, like I'm cool

2:56with that. I like that sound. I want

2:58that sound to continue in my life. I

3:00just don't want the [ __ ] drunk with

3:02it.

3:02>> Right.

3:03>> Oh, dude, sometimes I would lay in bed

3:04and just open cans of that over and over

3:06again. [laughter]

3:07Out of like seven cans and

3:09>> What? After you got sober?

3:10>> Yeah.

3:11>> [laughter]

3:11>> And just as remembrance remembrance of

3:13things past.

3:15>> [laughter]

3:16>> Yeah.

3:16>> What did you do tonight?

3:20>> Um

3:21>> Yeah, it's nice to be sober, man. And

3:23it's nice to know a sober buddy. And

3:25there's something else we saw each other

3:26outside and we didn't talk, but I think

3:28that was the first thing that popped in

3:30both of our minds.

3:32>> Yeah, and

3:32>> Which is cool.

3:33>> It kind of like it gives me a little bit

3:35of an exhale cuz honestly, dude, it just

3:36feels like so much less pressure for

3:37some reason.

3:38>> Yeah, that's cool.

3:39>> You know?

3:39>> I like that.

3:40>> Yeah, I like that too, man. So thank you

3:42so much for being here, dude.

3:43>> Yeah, man.

3:43>> It's a pleasure to see what I would look

3:45like if I were a little handsomer.

3:47>> Or a little gnarlier.

3:49Little more angry. A little more angry.

3:52But you're not. You just you have like

3:55>> know.

3:55>> You're look very welcoming, man. You're

3:57a very welcoming face.

3:59>> Oh, thank you, dude.

3:59>> You are, man.

4:01>> I appreciate you saying that, dude. Um

4:03Cito Rats, that I'm I'm reading your

4:06hat. That's your company?

4:08>> No, that's a group that I grew up with,

4:11if you want to get heavy for a second.

4:13>> Yeah, let's get heavy. Dude, I got my

4:14rat on my sweatshirt.

4:15>> Is that a rat? Oh, wait. What is that?

4:18>> Cuz uh they call me the rat king.

4:20>> Wait, get the [ __ ] out of here.

4:21Seriously?

4:22So you made that?

4:23>> Yeah, this is part of our merch.

4:24>> So I made this. I just took over the the

4:27What is it? The trademark for this.

4:28>> Oh, you did Cito Rats?

4:29>> So the guys that I grew up with called

4:32themselves the Cito Rats, because they

4:34were in Montecito, and Montecito now is

4:36perceived like [ __ ] Oprah heaven or

4:39something, which is fine.

4:40>> It's so fancy now. It's fancy.

4:42>> Yeah, there's a nucleus of like a lot of

4:44money, and especially actors or

4:50um 36 out of 50 are dead.

4:54>> Wow.

4:54>> From [ __ ] that we were just talking

4:55about.

4:56>> Really?

4:57>> So and then my buddy would always talk

4:59about "Hey, man, you remember that place

5:00that we were this? And I had a needle

5:02hanging out of my neck. And do you

5:03remember on the corner of Romero

5:04Canyon?" And all this stuff. And I said,

5:06"I'm so sick of hearing those stories

5:08that I'm going to spearhead this whole

5:10thing." So I've brought the whole thing

5:12back as a like survived and updated.

5:15Like new and improved.

5:17>> And that's the That's the idea of the

5:18brand and also of the humans.

5:20>> Yes.

5:21>> Survived and updated.

5:22>> Both survived and updated.

5:23>> Amen, bro. [ __ ]

5:25>> So if you look up Cito Rats, you can

5:27kind of get because like

5:29I don't know if you ever saw Bra Boys in

5:31Maroubra. Like there was a group of

5:34surfers there, Bra Boys. And they they

5:37did a documentary on it. You can watch

5:38that. There's Da Hui in Hawaii. There

5:41was Wolf Pack in Kala. There were Cito

5:44Rats. Kind of like skaters. Skaters

5:47would have what? Who were the guys down

5:48south? Was uh you know, Tony Alva and

5:50all those guys?

5:51Z-Boys. Town Dog Town and Z-Boys. Then

5:54you had N-Men in like

5:56Sacramento. And you had different like

5:58that was the skater. We were the surfer

6:00version of that.

6:01>> The Ceta Rats.

6:01>> Yeah, because like Dog Town and Z-Boys,

6:04those guys it wasn't like Jay Adams was

6:07severe. He was the only guy who was

6:09severe.

6:09>> can you help me out Nick a little bit?

6:12>> Yeah, there you go. Hit that picture.

6:13Yeah.

6:15>> Let's go.

6:15>> He was he was a Dog Town guy, but he was

6:18the only one of that Dog Town group that

6:21was like that.

6:22>> Got it.

6:22>> Whereas if you look at N-Men in

6:25Sacramento, I don't know if you want to

6:26bring up N-Men, but N-Men in Sacramento

6:28everybody was like that.

6:30>> Ah.

6:31>> So the surf groups, they were all like

6:33that. Ceta Rats were all like that.

6:36>> Got it.

6:37>> You know.

6:37>> So he was a real one.

6:38>> He was a real one.

6:39>> Amen, bro.

6:40>> He was a real one.

6:41>> RIP Jay Adams, dude.

6:44>> Bring up Ceta Rats and see what comes

6:45up.

6:46Um

6:47>> The Montecito. Yeah, dude, the rats,

6:49bro. Well, it's funny you talk about

6:50rats that they were surfers because

6:52here's one of the reasons why I I

6:53correlate with rats. Um for one, rats

6:56can swim for up to up to 3 days, right?

6:59They can tread water for up to 3 days,

7:01dude.

7:01>> Right on.

7:02>> So that is a survi- like that thing is a

7:04[ __ ]

7:05>> badass [ __ ]

7:06>> Dude, that is a badass, [laughter] dude.

7:09That's a badass. Imagine you go out on a

7:11fishing trip with your buddies with your

7:13rich friends.

7:14>> Everybody's drowning around and you

7:15still got the rats sitting there like,

7:17"I'm good, man. I'm good. I got another

7:192 days in me."

7:20>> Yeah, yeah.

7:21>> All right.

7:21>> So that's pretty cool. And rats have

7:23whiskers that are

7:25extremely sensitive. That's how they

7:26pick up a lot of information. I'm super

7:28sensitive. So it's like that's a

7:30correlation for me. And this is one of

7:32my favorites.

7:34Rats, they don't vomit. They won't

7:36vomit. So that's why they're able to

7:38live in the [ __ ] That's why they're

7:39able to they in the muck and have it

7:41just the the like the worst the in the

7:44worst spaces.

7:46>> Because they don't vomit?

7:47>> Yeah, it's like it doesn't get to them.

7:48Like it doesn't like

7:49>> Oh, I got it.

7:50>> It doesn't affect them. Like they're all

7:51factory senses and stuff. So they're

7:53able to stay in there. So there's

7:55something that's like, I don't know.

7:57Like even in like the

7:58>> Just like a cockroach, like super

8:00resilient.

8:01>> Yeah.

8:02>> Yeah.

8:02>> But a upscale cockroach.

8:04>> But a upscale cockroach.

8:04>> [laughter]

8:05>> Yeah, like shawty thick, you know?

8:07>> Like a rat is an upscale cockroach.

8:09[laughter]

8:09>> a [ __ ]

8:10>> That's wild with whiskers. The whiskers

8:12being sensitive and you called yourself

8:14super sensitive like an empath. Is that

8:16what they call it?

8:17>> I don't know about

8:18>> know what I don't know what that is.

8:19>> empath is.

8:21>> Uh a person who experiences the

8:22emotions, energy, and physical feelings

8:23of other people as if they were their

8:25own.

8:26>> Mhm.

8:27>> I think sometimes I'm like that. I think

8:28honestly, I didn't develop and I never

8:30thought about this. Sometimes I didn't

8:31really develop my own sense of feelings

8:33when I was growing up. And so sometimes

8:35I think

8:37you almost take those you take moments

8:39off of other people's lives and

8:40existences and you and that's why

8:42sometimes they feel like a lot.

8:44>> Yeah.

8:45>> make sense at all?

8:45>> No, it does make sense and I would and

8:47then and this is not like a ploy to you

8:49know, try to talk about but I wrote a

8:51book a year and a half ago

8:53and it had to do you know, like kind of

8:55anecdotal paintings of how I grew up.

8:58And my mom was a wildlife activist. So

9:00we had wolves in our house. We had

9:03mountain lions. We had

9:04>> Wait, in your house?

9:06>> In and out of our house.

9:07>> Like how much like

9:08>> Like my my brother had 60 stitches in

9:10his leg at 6 years old from a wolf.

9:12>> Nah.

9:13>> And my mom definitely prioritized those

9:16animals

9:17more than us. So the the point is is

9:20that emotions and all that weren't it's

9:22not that they weren't allowed. It's just

9:25there was so much there was such a high

9:27level of chaos

9:29that you just didn't you know, what were

9:32you going to do? Like go in a corner and

9:33like cry or like talk to your parents

9:35about like

9:37how you were scared you were going to be

9:38eaten. Like it just wasn't it's just

9:41that wasn't part of the deal. So, yeah.

9:43>> Yeah, sometimes I think when you have to

9:44be so alert like you're saying there's

9:45chaos you have to be so alert it's hard

9:48for some of those other things I feel

9:49like I'm not having self-pity. I'm just

9:51thinking I think it's hard for some of

9:53that other world to develop inside you

9:54cuz you're just on a you know

9:56>> Totally.

9:56>> You're just like you're like somebody

9:57who's got to do night watch day and

9:59night it feels like you know.

10:01>> And don't you think I mean like to just

10:03bring it full circle and that's why we

10:04drank. I mean what were you like when

10:06you drank cuz when I drank it was like

10:08the it was the best it was like God

10:10feeling. It was like I don't have to

10:12think at all now.

10:14I can do whatever I want and I don't

10:17have that little voice in there going oh

10:19you're a piece of [ __ ] or you're you

10:20can't do that. You're not good enough or

10:22you're not like all that went away.

10:25Except you know,

10:26[clears throat and snorts] my my version

10:27of it was

10:29it just there was no limit. There was no

10:31ceiling. What were you like when you

10:32were drunk?

10:33>> When I drank I was like somebody that

10:35was going to get cocaine.

10:38>> [laughter]

10:40>> I love how you said that dead pan.

10:42>> Oh, to be honest with you.

10:43>> Seriously?

10:44>> Oh, yeah. I'm not even joking.

10:45>> Oh, no.

10:46>> Yeah, when I drank it was like I I just

10:48like I think I just drank just because I

10:51like I didn't love drinking that much.

10:54>> Me neither.

10:54>> It was hard really?

10:55>> Interesting. No.

10:56>> It was hard for me to even realize I

10:58wasn't alcoholic because I I didn't I

11:00never My friends were shocked. Like

11:02you're an alcoholic do you like like

11:04you're a [ __ ] weirdo but you're

11:06you're not an alcoholic.

11:07>> an alcoholic, right? You're just a

11:08freak.

11:09>> Yeah, yeah, you got a lot of other [ __ ]

11:11that I would worry about before that.

11:13Uh but no, I think it made me go like

11:16cuz cocaine I think it made me be able

11:17to feel immediately how and I could feel

11:20immediately some way.

11:23And I don't there was something about

11:24that. Like I'm going to control how I

11:25feel right now and it wasn't even the

11:27best feeling. I think it was a scared

11:29feeling but I think deep on the other

11:31sides of me there was a lot of scared

11:33feelings and for some reason it was like

11:34two bookends.

11:35>> Yeah.

11:36>> And finally there was something like I

11:38don't even know. But sometimes I I

11:39theorize little things like that.

11:40>> So is that with alcohol or cocaine?

11:42>> That was with cocaine. It was just like

11:44I'd have a The only reason I wanted to

11:45drink was cuz if it get then I could

11:47have an excuse to go to

11:48>> To go do coke.

11:49>> To get some coke.

11:50>> drink and then suddenly it wasn't like

11:51wasn't even a choice. You had to go get

11:53coke.

11:53>> Right. Or it was like yeah.

11:55>> immediate thing.

11:55>> Oh, I'd see a child riding by on a bike

11:57and I'd be like oh, I should get some

11:58coke.

12:01I could look at a calendar be like oh,

12:02Easter's in 4 months. I'll grab a bag.

12:04>> The coke The coke brought me down.

12:06>> Dude, cocaine helped me quit vaping.

12:09>> And what why?

12:10>> It just I don't I think it sometimes

12:11>> the place of everything else that any

12:14other vice you may have had.

12:16>> It was all vices in one.

12:18>> [laughter]

12:18>> It was

12:19Well, sometimes a cocaine hangover it

12:20would be a couple days and I didn't want

12:22to do anything else to damage myself

12:24during that time so it would give me

12:25enough time away from nicotine. Anyway.

12:27>> Anyway.

12:28>> Um

12:29>> I won't bring it up again.

12:30>> No, it's okay. It's interesting to talk

12:31about. You know what is nice? It's fun

12:33to laugh about

12:34>> Totally.

12:34>> because it takes the air out of whatever

12:36part of me that wants to behave that

12:38way.

12:38>> Yeah.

12:39>> It makes it fun and it makes it like I

12:41don't know for a second you have some

12:42community and that's all I ever really

12:44wanted.

12:45>> I think it's more fun.

12:46>> It is more fun.

12:47>> I honestly think it is. I don't say that

12:48just to say it because I think other

12:50people want to hear it. I actually think

12:52it's more fun and I had a [ __ ] blast

12:55when I was using.

12:55>> Did you?

12:56>> And I have more fun now.

12:57>> Yeah. Let's go.

12:59>> More fun. I do.

13:00>> Oh dude, I believe you had it so much

13:02fun, dude. If I [ __ ] Dude, I was

13:04doing it and I was pretty ugly looking.

13:06You know what I'm saying? Like you're

13:07[ __ ]

13:07>> What are you talking about? Why do you

13:08keep saying that?

13:09>> I did it and I looked like me, right? If

13:11I looked like you, I would have been

13:13definitely out partying, [laughter] bro.

13:16Dude, I had to have a couple drinks to

13:18think I looked like you.

13:21>> [laughter]

13:23>> All right.

13:24>> Um [snorts] but let's rewind it, man.

13:25And let's let's let's do it back in bit.

13:27Dude, so what do you mean your brother

13:28got attacked by a wolf?

13:30>> Yeah.

13:31>> And you guys were what? Just like was it

13:32like a regular night or was it like Like

13:35what do you mean

13:35>> lived in Paso Robles. We lived on a

13:37ranch. We lived on

13:38>> Robles?

13:39>> Yeah. North of here. And we lived in a

13:41200 on a 230 acre ranch.

13:44My mom was from Texas. My mom was from

13:46Corpus Christi, Texas. 5 ft 3.

13:50Super loud.

13:52Like a the voice of a 6 ft 8 man.

13:55>> Yeah.

13:56>> And yeah.

13:58And she uh she was just animals were her

14:00thing. Like from when she was a kid. So

14:03she became an animal activist. She

14:04started working with Fish and Game and

14:06all that. And then she would take

14:08animals away from people who had

14:09illegally taken them out of the wild,

14:11have them jailed, and she would nurse

14:13them back to health. And if they'd been

14:15defanged or declawed or something like

14:17that, she'd find the most habitable zoo

14:20and then put them there. She didn't like

14:22those little cage zoos and all that. Um

14:24but we would so the transitional time

14:27would be in our place. So we had, you

14:29know, a lion. We had a bear at one

14:30point. We had a chimpanzee for a long

14:33time.

14:33>> Ooh, really? What was his name?

14:34>> Reggie.

14:35>> Mhm.

14:36>> Reggie.

14:37Reggie [clears throat] Reggie. There's a

14:39story of Reggie where Reggie used to

14:41watch uh Arnold Schwarzenegger movies

14:43with my mom.

14:44>> Yeah. [snorts]

14:45>> And you know how Arnold would hold the

14:46gun here, right? That was like a I think

14:49uh

14:49>> Yee haw yee haw.

14:50>> Sly used to do that, too.

14:51>> Yeah, that was a big thing at that time.

14:53>> Like in the eight Was it the '80s? And

14:55they had Yeah, exactly. Big bullets.

14:59And then there was a guy who came over

15:00and Reggie was in his cage. He wasn't in

15:02the house. My mom left somewhere. Reggie

15:05was in his cage. A guy came over to fix

15:07a chicken coop. Reggie like finagled or

15:11MacGyvered his way out of the cage, came

15:14over. Everybody where I'm from has a

15:15gun, right, in their truck, right, on

15:18the window in a rack. So he grabbed the

15:21gun, [ __ ] put one because he had seen

15:23it obviously in a movie, put one in the

15:25chamber.

15:26And the guy

15:27>> Reggie did?

15:28>> Reggie did.

15:29>> Oh, damn.

15:30>> And the guy and then suddenly the guy

15:32fixing the chicken coop hears

15:34and he goes, "What the [ __ ] is that?"

15:36And he's laying down and he looks past

15:37the chicken coop and there's Reggie

15:39holding the gun at waist height. Yeah.

15:42>> Damn, Reggie was a real one.

15:44>> He was a real one. He was He was the

15:46masculine energy in that

15:47>> Oh, and that's you and him in a Where's

15:49Waldo

15:49>> right there?

15:50>> That's you and him in a dressing up for

15:52Halloween right there, boy.

15:54>> right.

15:54>> And and that's that's really him?

15:56>> Yeah, that's him.

15:57>> Wow.

15:57>> Where'd you find that picture, dude?

15:59That was just on the internet? That's

16:01crazy.

16:02>> Both you guys look nice, man.

16:03>> Dude, that was me at my worst.

16:06>> Was it?

16:06>> Yeah.

16:08When I look at that, that was a Yeah,

16:09that was a wacky time. Look at that what

16:11like what is that that I have on my

16:12face?

16:14Do I shave the top from the nose like

16:17partway down?

16:19>> [laughter]

16:20>> Something's up, bro.

16:21Something's up.

16:22>> It's very like I'm going to be the

16:23best-looking guy who's going to cross

16:25the Atlantic in the

16:27>> It [laughter]

16:27looks like '20s. Don't I look like not

16:30in my '20s, like 1920s?

16:32>> Mhm.

16:33>> Like John Fontane.

16:35>> I'm seeing maybe one of the Outsiders.

16:37I'm seeing

16:38>> Really?

16:38>> uh somewhat, but I'm also seeing very

16:40spice trader

16:42>> Like

16:42>> Spice trader

16:43>> aggressive brother of a successful spice

16:45trader.

16:46>> Always an aggressive brother.

16:47>> And you finally show up with the

16:48freaking uh coriander that no one's ever

16:51heard of.

16:51>> [laughter]

16:53>> That's good.

16:54>> And you've got the market coriandered.

16:56>> That's it. Very good.

16:58>> It was okay. It was just

16:59>> Not bad.

16:59>> You're being supportive. Yeah. Not bad,

17:02I'll agree with. Did Did it feel Was

17:04your mom like Was it easier for her to

17:06care about animals, do you think, or

17:07something? Or was she like good at

17:08>> You're the first person that's ever

17:10asked that. For sure.

17:11But the human thing wasn't didn't work

17:13for her. And she was a big drinker. So,

17:15when she would drink, that was that was

17:17her ability to kind of like, you know,

17:20my mom didn't just say, "Hi, how you

17:21doing?" She grabbed you by the lapels

17:23and pulled you across the table and

17:25planted one on your mouth.

17:26>> Mhm.

17:26>> That's how she'd say hello. And it was

17:28usually from like it's, you know, a 380

17:31lb cowboy.

17:32>> Wow.

17:33>> there's a thing in my book

17:35>> Oh, dude, beyond beyond. And I miss her.

17:39And she's not around anymore. She

17:41But she uh

17:43Yeah, there's a thing in my book where

17:44she says, and I know this is not cool to

17:47say now, she saw this cowboy and he had

17:49a comb in his back pocket and she yells

17:52out, I was about 8 years old and she she

17:54yells out, "Hey!"

17:55She had this voice and she goes, "Why do

17:57you have that comb in your pocket?" He

17:58He turned around and said, "I'm sorry,

18:00ma'am." And she said, "That comb, it

18:01looks faggoty."

18:02>> Yeah.

18:03>> I'm like, why?

18:05Like, what's the [ __ ] point?

18:07What's the end goal here?

18:09>> Yeah, dude.

18:10>> And And then,

18:1215 minutes later, you have 10 guys

18:14buying my mom drinks.

18:16>> Ah.

18:17>> Always pulled it off somehow.

18:19>> Mhm.

18:20>> She knew a bunch of truckers and if

18:21somebody flipped her off on the road,

18:23she'd call truckers on the CB and they'd

18:25box him in.

18:27Like, bro, that happened many times.

18:29With me in the car.

18:31Like, I remember. Like, "Hey, breaker

18:3419, this is Catwoman. I got another

18:37flipper."

18:38Yes, okay, Jane, we got you, you know.

18:40And then the guys would come out of

18:41[ __ ] nowhere. There was no

18:4218-wheelers anywhere and then suddenly

18:46box a guy in.

18:47>> Wow.

18:47>> One guy would leave, they'd push him off

18:49the side of the road, and then, "Thank

18:51you, guys. Appreciate it. Love you."

18:54You know.

18:55>> Oh my god, dude.

18:57>> She was great. She was great. She was

18:59She was severe.

19:00But she was great.

19:01>> That's a cool word to use. That's

19:02interesting. Severe is an interesting

19:04word to use.

19:05>> So, when you grow up in that, not as a

19:07victim, cuz you said that earlier, you

19:09know, not to victimize yourself, you go,

19:11"That's what it was." and I accept it

19:13>> [sighs]

19:13>> fully for what it was. I like it because

19:16it colored my life later in a way once

19:19I've figured out a way to kind of

19:20regulate the whole thing."

19:22>> Yeah.

19:23>> But without figuring it out,

19:26then you're just spinning.

19:27>> Pooh.

19:28>> Then you're just [ __ ] going.

19:30You're like, "I don't know what's going

19:32to happen from Tuesday to Wednesday to

19:34Thursday, but here we go."

19:36>> Yeah, dude. It feels uh Well, that's

19:38part of the unmanageability they say.

19:40It's fun

19:41>> Yeah.

19:41>> until it's not.

19:43>> Yeah.

19:43>> That's it.

19:44>> It's fun until it's not.

19:46>> Yeah, dude.

19:47>> you try to get that fun back, and then

19:48that's when it gets really [ __ ]

19:49crazy.

19:50>> Yeah.

19:51>> And you're like, "I know I can figure

19:52this out. I know it. I [ __ ] know it."

19:55>> Yeah, I can do this.

19:56>> Start working out like Neil deGrasse

19:58Tyson, like, you know, geometry in your

20:00head, trigonometry,

20:02astrophysics.

20:03>> You're drawing [ __ ] on the walls.

20:04>> Drawing [ __ ] on the walls. I know I can

20:07drink. I can [ __ ] figure it out.

20:09>> You're carrying the one. You're [ __ ]

20:10Yeah. You're using a calculator with

20:12with at the bar. Like, yeah, I can

20:14>> One of those big ones that has

20:15[laughter] all the symbols.

20:17>> Yeah, T-Mobile Sidekick or something.

20:20Um yeah, I went through a spell uh where

20:22I was having a tough time, and then I

20:24was so thankful to get back on track,

20:26man.

20:26>> Yeah, man.

20:27>> It can get scary out there.

20:29>> It gets scary, and then, you know, we

20:30said again, we tried to drop this

20:32subject, but it's like you look back,

20:34and you go, like, I see guys that are

20:36going through it right now, and then

20:37you'll see them like, you know, they get

20:40you know, a month or maybe a couple

20:41weeks, and then they go back out, and

20:42they try it, and

20:44they lose their wives, and they lose

20:45everything, and they can't see their

20:47kids anymore because of 2 days out, 3

20:50days out.

20:51>> Yeah.

20:51>> Cuz they had to go get five hookers.

20:54Like, what is it about alcohol that

20:55makes you want to go get five hookers? I

20:57don't know, but whatever's going on in

20:59that person's mind that's a hidden

21:01little gem in there that nobody knows

21:02about gets unleashed.

21:04>> Yeah.

21:05>> And and you go, "Yeah, it's not going to

21:08That's going to happen every time."

21:10>> Yeah.

21:10>> No matter what. When you eat

21:13strawberries, you will break out.

21:15>> Yeah.

21:15>> It's going to happen.

21:17No, but if I just eat the right

21:18strawberry. Nope.

21:20>> Yeah, but if I just have a strawberry

21:21shortcake.

21:22>> Yeah, exactly. That's exactly right.

21:24That's right.

21:25Um

21:26>> Anyway. Were the Cito Rascals was it

21:27were Was there partying then or was that

21:29just sort of a surfing club? Like what

21:31>> Oh, no, no, no, no.

21:33>> Like was it a

21:34Was it a

21:34>> It wasn't a gang.

21:35>> Okay.

21:36>> It was definitely not a gang. It was a

21:38group of guys. That's what I mean,

21:40didn't you have a group of guys growing

21:41up?

21:42>> Oh, yeah.

21:42>> Yeah, well, that's it. That's what it

21:44was. It was just a community especially

21:47in the '80s when you had parents that,

21:49you know, were kind How did I put it in

21:51my book? They were more interested in

21:53the sound of their ice than they were

21:54about necessarily parenting. You know,

21:56they all had their drinks and their

21:57cocaine and their this and their parties

21:59and all that kind of stuff. So, we

22:01relied on each other and it was a great

22:03reliance. It was amazing, but the

22:05beginning of punk rock.

22:07So, the guys that my best friend growing

22:10up, Jason Sears, had a band called Rich

22:13Kids on LSD. RKL and that became a big

22:16band.

22:16>> Rich Kids on LSD.

22:18>> and they've and they've influenced like

22:20I talked to Eddie Vedder about it. He

22:22said, "No [ __ ] way, you know Jason

22:24Sears?

22:25We were hugely influenced by that." I

22:27mean, there's a ton of bands that were

22:29influenced and this is like the greatest

22:31band that never got the

22:34notoriety that any of these other bands

22:36got, but that like Jason was my best

22:38friend.

22:38>> Oh, wow.

22:40>> So, all those guys, whether it was punk

22:41rock and whether it was surfing or that

22:43was the beach and you know, it was it

22:46was it was a group of guys that you

22:47could rely on that were [ __ ] great

22:49group of guys. I mean, great, dude. Talk

22:52about colorful. So, you're going

22:54colorful from that, but then she's busy

22:56now.

22:57And we got color this and if you look at

22:59Da Hui or like bra boys like I said, but

23:02then it starts to self-destruct. Then it

23:04starts to not work anymore. Super fun

23:06for a while.

23:08Then we started not going to school and

23:09then you get into, you know, the

23:11>> [gasps]

23:12>> the heroin that came in in the '90s and

23:15>> [clears throat]

23:15>> suddenly these guys just started dying

23:17left and right, you know.

23:19>> Some of your friends up there?

23:21>> Most of them.

23:22>> Wow.

23:23>> There's a couple of guys that like when

23:24I talk about this, they're like, you

23:25know, we're we're all not dead, dude. By

23:28the way, we all didn't die. Some of us

23:31are still okay. Chris rest.

23:33>> Some of us are still treading water over

23:35there. The rats, baby.

23:36>> Exactly, the rat. That's it. I love that

23:38you said that. I love that you said

23:40that.

23:40>> fascinating, man. They're fascinating

23:42animals. I mean, they're and they're

23:44they're kind of I don't know if reviled

23:47is the word, but they're like

23:49I don't know. They're always kind of

23:50looked down upon or looked at like this

23:53>> Rats are?

23:54>> Yeah, or looked at like this outsider

23:56thing, you know?

23:58>> I'm going to look for this picture for a

24:00second.

24:00>> feel, yeah, a rat, it's like their skin,

24:02it's like

24:05they crawl and their skin crawls, you

24:07know? It's like a [ __ ] it's like

24:08>> Yeah, but why is it always like Cito

24:10Rats obviously has some connotation

24:12where it's like this is the this is the

24:15sh the [ __ ] of the [ __ ]

24:17>> Yeah. But a Cito Rats sounds punk

24:19though. It sounds

24:20>> good.

24:20>> It sounds dope, yeah.

24:21>> It does sound good.

24:22>> I agree. It's great. And so now it's an

24:23actual it's a brand that

24:25>> No, those guys are still I mean, the

24:27guys are still around like everybody's

24:28older now. Everybody's in their

24:30late '50s and early '60s. And and

24:34but then you have it it was purely out

24:36of reaction of being sick of hearing the

24:39stories, you know? It's like that you're

24:42like, okay, these guys are sober now.

24:44People have gotten sober. It's good.

24:45They're still Cito Rats. It's still

24:47scrappy. It's still punk,

24:49but it's just not as self-destructive as

24:52it was. But I went to a wedding

24:53recently. I officiated a wedding for a

24:55friend of mine

24:55>> Mhm.

24:56>> whose dad was a Mesa rat, which was up

24:59the hill.

25:00>> [snorts]

25:00>> And old gang member, gnarly guy. Like

25:03Santa Barbara was way gnarlier than

25:05anybody could have imagined, right? Back

25:07then, you know, you can't imagine it

25:09now.

25:09>> Yeah, no, you can't.

25:10>> Ever. And uh

25:13so I was And this girl came up to me,

25:15and it was it was like I've seen I've

25:17seen enough recovery now

25:19where I'm not used to it anymore. And

25:21this girl came up to me, she's like,

25:22"Hey, hey, man.

25:24I knew Damon, dude." And I was like,

25:27"Oh, [ __ ] who's that?"

25:28She was like, "Hey, man, like do you

25:30remember? Like we were 15, bro, and I

25:33think you touched my tits at some point,

25:35bro." And I was like, "Oh, [ __ ]

25:38This is why I don't want to talk about

25:40it anymore."

25:41>> [laughter]

25:41>> This chick was super gnarly, and she

25:44kept talking about one of my best

25:46friends was found on the bathroom. He

25:47did He died.

25:49He OD'd and died. And she was like,

25:51"Damon, man, what the [ __ ] Can you

25:53believe it, man?"

25:54>> [laughter]

25:55>> But it was And and

25:57>> And the smell of vodka, bro. The smell

26:00of whatever it was that she was having.

26:02But that's what I wanted to try and

26:04shift.

26:06>> Yeah, kind of refurbish it.

26:07>> Refurbish it. Perfect word.

26:09>> Cuz it also deserves a bit of refining

26:11because at a certain point, like

26:12something's like tough and rugged and

26:14has it its period like that. But at a

26:17certain point, it's put in so much work

26:18to be that

26:20>> Yeah.

26:20>> that it almost deserves someone to come

26:22along

26:23I don't want to say like a jeweler of

26:24sorts, but an appreciator, and come

26:26along and say, "You know what? This

26:28deserves to kind of be

26:30uh refurbished in just enough of a way

26:32where it can be revered."

26:33>> We like the foundation, we respect the

26:35foundation. It's like we bought a house

26:37in Santa Barbara, it was Joe Walsh's old

26:38house.

26:39>> Joe Walsh from freaking unsolved

26:40mysteries?

26:41>> No.

26:42>> [laughter]

26:42>> No, no, dude. What?

26:44>> Who am I thinking of?

26:45>> Joe Walsh from the Eagles. You're

26:47thinking of the guy that Who's he

26:48thinking of? Yeah, that's Joe That Joe

26:51Walsh.

26:51>> Oh, yeah, Joe Walsh.

26:53>> Joe Walsh, one of the greatest

26:54guitarists of all time. And we didn't

26:56change the house at all.

26:57>> you were thinking of John Walsh.

26:58>> No, you're thinking of John Walsh. I

27:00remember him. What was the show that he

27:02had? America's Most Wanted. That was it.

27:04>> Yeah.

27:04>> America's Most Wanted. I used to watch

27:06that show.

27:06>> Oh, it was a good show.

27:07>> a good show. Um

27:09>> You get You bought Joe Walsh's old

27:10house?

27:11>> Old house, and it was so ratty and

27:13[ __ ] up and it like didn't have

27:15foundation in half of it and all that.

27:18But we didn't change anything. We just

27:20updated it.

27:21>> Nice.

27:21>> And it's like ranchy and cool and

27:23bitchin' looking. There's rocks all over

27:25the place. Same concept.

27:27>> Yeah.

27:28>> Same concept. Because you just get sick

27:30like I don't want to be defined in one

27:32way.

27:33I don't want to be like I am an emissary

27:35to ride, you know, [ __ ] you. You know,

27:38throw a rock at your head. It's what we

27:40do. You know, you're like that's just

27:43dumb. You're 60, bro.

27:45You're still throwing rocks at people's

27:46head.

27:47So, even like

27:49I know you had Neil deGrasse Tyson on

27:51and I did

27:53Colbert's penultimate show and Colbert

27:55and I became super close. I love

27:58>> guy?

27:58>> He is the coolest like literally I get

28:02emotional talking about it. He is the

28:03coolest, most caring [ __ ] I

28:07know.

28:07>> Wow.

28:08>> Like amazing. An amazing human being.

28:11>> I'd like to meet him.

28:12>> He's really cool, man. You should have

28:13him on the show now that he's got

28:14nothing to do.

28:15>> Oh, did he lose his job?

28:16>> Well, no, yeah, he got fired.

28:18>> Oh.

28:18>> That was it. They canceled the show.

28:19That's why I said penultimate show, the

28:21show before his last show.

28:22>> Oh, the penultimate.

28:23>> Penultimate show.

28:24>> [laughter]

28:25>> Yeah, yeah.

28:27>> Yeah, anyway.

28:28>> Just say the show before the last one.

28:30>> [laughter]

28:31>> Okay, dude, look.

28:34>> I just saw that shaming look. Um

28:37Like why you got to do that to me on my

28:39own [ __ ] show, dude? [ __ ]

28:41>> No, [laughter] dude, we [ __ ] They

28:43knew when you said it, I didn't know.

28:45They knew when you

28:46>> [laughter]

28:46>> said it, I didn't

28:47>> You should put it up on the thing.

28:49That's what you should have done is put

28:50it up on the thing.

28:51>> We do vocabulary at the end of the year.

28:54We do a big vocabulary at the

28:55>> Do you Do you really?

28:56>> We're going to start this year.

28:59We're 9 years late on it. Penultimate

29:01means second to last or immediately

29:04preceding the final one in a series or

29:06sequence.

29:07>> Perfectly used.

29:08>> The penultimate.

29:08>> Perfectly placed.

29:10>> Very well.

29:10>> Penultimate.

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31:41Dude, my mom would keep a dictionary in

31:43the house. It was like the one thing

31:44like our [ __ ] it would be the most

31:46miserable existence ever.

31:48>> Right.

31:49>> But every now and then you had to go

31:50look up a word, right?

31:52>> That was your education.

31:53>> Oh, dude.

31:54>> That was like, "I'm doing my job as a

31:55parent."

31:56>> apartment was sinking. Someone had

31:57stolen our balcony again. It Everything

32:00[clears throat] was just a [ __ ]

32:01nightmare. Like you wouldn't even go to

32:03sleep at night cuz you were too busy

32:04crying and [ __ ] [laughter]

32:06>> Oh, it's awful, dude.

32:07>> [ __ ] It was.

32:08>> It's horrible.

32:09>> It was. It was.

32:10>> Yeah.

32:10>> Right? It was You were either wetting

32:11the bed or crying, but there was always

32:13some liquid that it was leaving your

32:15body because it didn't want to be

32:17involved anymore. It's like, "You have

32:18to stay. I don't, motherfucker." Yeah,

32:19people stole our balcony. Look, we talk

32:19about this a lot, but there it is. It's

32:20like, "You have to stay. I don't,

32:22motherfucker." Yeah, people stole our

32:24balcony. Look, we talk about this a lot,

32:26but there it is.

32:28People would

32:28>> Holy [ __ ]

32:29>> People would steal our balcony.

32:31>> but did somebody come in and actually

32:32steal like pull off your balcony?

32:35>> Yeah, they did. What [laughter] do you

32:36freaking mean? That's what it means.

32:38>> I

32:38>> well, I know, but I thought maybe you

32:39were putting a new one.

32:41>> No, no. Oh, no, no.

32:42>> And then you made it look like somebody

32:43stole it. Somebody actually came in and

32:45stole your balcony?

32:46>> Yeah, many times, dude. And so, it was

32:48just

32:49>> Yeah, because people would steal the

32:50wood and use it for stuff down the

32:51street. So, you'd have to [ __ ] then

32:53pull up and somebody one time built a

32:55[ __ ] baby crib out of it. And that's

32:58the worst. You're like, we want it back

33:00and the [ __ ] baby's sitting in it.

33:02>> Baby's sitting in

33:02>> Oh, dude. [laughter]

33:03>> You can't steal it from the baby now.

33:05Did you actually see a baby crib made

33:07out of your wood, knowing it was your

33:09wood?

33:09>> 100%.

33:10>> That's [ __ ] crazy. That's the coolest

33:12[ __ ] I've ever

33:12>> the time because it was good wood.

33:14>> Yeah, well, obviously, cuz it was new

33:16wood, cuz you had to keep replacing it.

33:18>> But this part of the apartment was

33:19sinking all the time and so we'd be at

33:21dinner and like

33:23it was just a nightmare and mom would

33:25like it would be absolutely miserable

33:26when mom would be like, I'm going to go

33:27lay out in the yard and it would just

33:29like everything was just a [ __ ]

33:30nightmare.

33:31But anyway,

33:32>> Louisiana is tough, man. My assistant

33:34who loves you, by the way, is absolutely

33:36in love with you. Erica, shout out to

33:38Erica.

33:38>> Oh, I'm glad that it went Erica. I

33:40thought it was going to stop at the C.

33:41>> Eric. Eric loves you. My assistant Eric,

33:44my assistant Bob loves you.

33:47No, Erica loves you, but she's from

33:48Louisiana.

33:49>> Oh, nice.

33:50>> tough. She lives in in in Atlanta, but

33:53she's

33:55uh she's tough and uh I found like I

33:59went to jail in in uh in Louisiana.

34:01Louisiana's tough.

34:02>> And what were the charges?

34:04>> I don't know.

34:06Drunken fighting? No.

34:10Oh, obstruct? No.

34:13It was It was What do you when you get

34:15in the way of something that the cops

34:17are doing? What do they call it?

34:19Oh, yeah, there you go.

34:20>> Josh Brolin and Tiger Woods went to jail

34:23together, I think.

34:24>> Tiger Woods, bro. What's the matter with

34:26you?

34:27>> I didn't know. [laughter]

34:28I figured you hang out with fancy people

34:30sometimes.

34:32Um

34:32>> That's you.

34:33>> Even

34:34>> [laughter]

34:34>> even

34:36Scroll up, let me see. Josh Brolin and

34:38Jeffrey Jeffrey Wright, sorry.

34:39Shreveport arrested two actors and

34:40several crew several crew members

34:42involved with the with the latest movie

34:44in Hollywood South. Oliver Stone's

34:46>> W

34:46>> the star of Oliver Stone's film W early

34:49this morning. At least they put the star

34:50of it.

34:51>> Thank god, right?

34:53>> Yeah.

34:53>> I'm worth something other than just a

34:55mug shot.

34:56>> Did you get arrested? Was this a

34:58frequent thing?

34:59>> Yeah, fairly.

35:00>> Was it? Did you feel like you had to get

35:02a like cuz it like if you go parties it

35:04feel like you have to get it cuz I never

35:06had that kind of stuff really.

35:07>> No, I know you didn't. Cuz you didn't

35:09have the face for it.

35:09>> Yeah. Yeah.

35:11>> You had too nice of a face.

35:12>> Yeah, oh well.

35:13>> I just had a face you wanted to arrest.

35:15>> Oh, did it?

35:16>> Yeah, I think so. I think so. No, I

35:18don't feel like I did that. No, that was

35:21more my mom coming out. My mom would get

35:23arrested, too.

35:24>> Oh, really?

35:25>> Yeah, but she'd usually get out of it.

35:27>> Yeah.

35:27>> Like there's a there's a story about my

35:29mom where she got pulled over and the

35:30guy was like not talking to her really

35:32and she always sped. She always went 100

35:34miles an hour. That That was the number

35:36she loved was 100. So [snorts] she was

35:39100 miles an hour and get pulled over

35:41and this guy's giving her a ticket and

35:43she took the ticket and like they used

35:45to have those All these motorcycle cops

35:46so they had the whatever that leather

35:49thing with the ticket inside and handed

35:51it to her. And she took it and she threw

35:53it out in the middle of the freeway.

35:56And then he stopped traffic. Went out

35:59and picked it up, came back, handed it

36:01to her again and she liked that.

36:03>> Mhm.

36:03>> She liked that kind of like silent

36:05strong type and they became really close

36:07friends. He was over at the house all

36:09the time. So where she would where one

36:12would have gone to jail mucho

36:15she got she would have, too, but she

36:17just was so charming she got out of it.

36:19>> Did you ever It makes me realize there's

36:21something Some women like that thing of

36:23like

36:24>> It's what I mean.

36:25>> I never realized that till recently.

36:27Some girls like it when it's just like

36:29>> it.

36:30>> [ __ ] you.

36:31>> [ __ ] you. I think I think that's coming

36:33around, too. I mean, I this is going to

36:35get me in trouble, but I think there's

36:37something that's like things have been

36:39so sketch and scary and

36:42and paralyzed

36:43>> Mhm.

36:44>> that I've I'm starting to see that kind

36:45of come back.

36:46>> Oh, we're getting out of the wheelchair,

36:47brother.

36:48>> [laughter]

36:49>> You feel me?

36:52We're getting out of the wheelchair, for

36:54sure.

36:55>> got her legs back, dude.

36:57>> We got this [ __ ] man.

36:59>> Um

37:00>> Yeah.

37:01>> You had uh

37:03you had fame at at a young age.

37:05>> Mhm.

37:05>> Like, how do you go from this Cedo rats

37:07kind of energy, right? How do you go

37:09We don't want to talk about anything.

37:10>> No, I don't know.

37:12>> Because how do you go from that to

37:13becoming like a

37:14>> No, I think it's fascinating. Because

37:16when I look at pictures of like me and

37:18The Goonies,

37:20which never should have happened.

37:22Cuz I had missed 36 out of 56 days of

37:24school. I got in a fight with my mom.

37:25She kicked me out of the house in Santa

37:27Barbara. I went to go live on the couch

37:28with my dad. And he was in an apartment

37:31with his girlfriend in LA. So, it was

37:33like me going, I got to get my [ __ ]

37:35together. What do I do? My dad's an

37:36actor. Maybe I'll try that. Maybe I'll

37:39do that and martial arts. You always got

37:41to get into martial arts when you're

37:42getting your [ __ ] together. Everybody.

37:45Every kid. You know what I mean?

37:46>> That's fist foot way. That's what the

37:47movie's about, [laughter] I think.

37:48>> That's it. And then so

37:51yeah, I tried to get my [ __ ] together

37:53and I went on auditions. I went on so

37:55many auditions, dude, and I heard so

37:56many people say

37:58basically versions of you suck. Like,

38:01definitely don't do this. Don't pursue

38:04this.

38:05Like, the martial arts thing sounds

38:06pretty good for you.

38:07>> you good at Were you Were you [laughter]

38:09>> What?

38:10What?

38:12What?

38:12>> Were you good at auditioning?

38:14Auditioning's hard.

38:14>> No, I just said I was horrible at it.

38:18Bro, I was horrible.

38:19>> bad at my job, dude.

38:21>> [laughter]

38:21>> You just said you were horrible at

38:23>> Not only was I horrible then, but I was

38:25always horrible at it.

38:27And there was a girl, and I've said this

38:28many times, but Meryl Poster, who was

38:31third in charge at Miramax,

38:34said when she when that thing was still

38:36going on, she said the worst She said it

38:38publicly. The worst auditioners we ever

38:40saw, we ever experienced in our kind of

38:42history at Miramax, were Benicio Del

38:45Toro and Josh Brolin.

38:47>> Let's go.

38:49>> So, there's some positive in that

38:51somewhere.

38:51>> Yeah, there Well, there's something

38:52>> at Benicio and you go, he's great.

38:54>> Yeah. And there's some way that

38:56obviously that that doesn't define

38:58everything. Because yeah, I think like

39:00that auditioning is so hard. Dude, one

39:03time I went in, this is a freaking most

39:05embarrassing story. I'd stayed up

39:07watching

39:09um Shirley Temple movie, right?

39:12And I went in audition, and they're

39:14like, you have to sing something, and I

39:16can't sing at all, right? I can sing I

39:18mean, I can do Christmas carols,

39:20and maybe a couple of mild stuff, or

39:23maybe some early um Bush.

39:26But um

39:27>> Guns N' Roses.

39:28>> Yeah, I can do some Guns N' Roses, but

39:30that's imitational, but it's like I

39:31can't really sing. So, I sang um

39:34a song of Shirley Temple's, right? In

39:36this [ __ ] audition room, and I think

39:37they're like,

39:38>> Really?

39:39>> Yeah, what

39:40>> Like you chose it?

39:41>> Yeah.

39:41>> They were like, can you sing? And you

39:42go, actually, I prepared a Shirley

39:45Temple song.

39:46>> Yeah. And I didn't know what else to do,

39:48cuz I it was more like a like

39:50uh

39:51um uh poe It's almost like reading a

39:53poem, or singing like Christmas. It was

39:55It didn't feel like real singing or

39:56something, you know?

39:57Um and I and I remember at first I

40:00started, and it was not going good, and

40:01I was like, can you guys open the

40:02window? Cuz I was just so [ __ ]

40:03[laughter] scared.

40:05So, they tried to open this window, and

40:07it didn't open. It was like one of those

40:08businesses where they just want you to

40:10>> Another awkward moment.

40:11>> Yeah, be in pain in there.

40:13They're over there looking at the

40:14[ __ ] thing, and they already know I

40:15have no chance at this thing, right?

40:17>> Right. [laughter]

40:19>> And then I was like, and so then I did

40:20it again and I just like, God, I

40:22remember going home and be like, I just

40:24can't [ __ ] live like this, man.

40:26>> It's horrible. There's no worse feeling

40:28when I know people who audition even

40:30today and I'm like, I wouldn't worse I

40:32wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

40:34>> Yeah.

40:35>> Like just I mean you and you think it's

40:38something like so

40:40we'll go back but like I so after The

40:42Goonies, I didn't really there was

40:44flirting with disaster in the middle.

40:45There was a movie that I did that I was

40:47really lucky to get and the only reason

40:49I got it is because David O. Russell

40:51demanded that I was the guy.

40:53>> Mhm.

40:54>> But Miramax said no, he's a guy who

40:56should have hit and didn't. So I spent

40:5822 years kind of in the ethers after The

41:01Goonies, right?

41:02>> Because Goonies you that because that

41:03was one of the biggest at the time, was

41:06it one of the biggest things that ever

41:07happened?

41:07>> Yeah.

41:08>> Okay.

41:08>> You mean to me or just period?

41:10>> I think just period.

41:11>> Yeah, just period.

41:12>> Was it It was. Yeah, because I remember

41:13like when did Goonies come out? Was it

41:15'80s?

41:17'85. Right, I remember of course

41:18watching it when I was a kid. But

41:19sometimes when you're a young kid,

41:20you're not exactly that sure if

41:22something came out 4 years ago or just

41:23came out. But um yeah, it was one of the

41:25craziest. It was like everybody

41:27impersonated everything and everything

41:29was related to it and like you would

41:30have like

41:32yeah, it was Halloween costumes and

41:33everything.

41:34>> Yeah.

41:34>> Um so that was one of so it was one of

41:36the biggest things that happened. So at

41:38that time were you drinking and partying

41:40at that time?

41:41>> Yeah, bro.

41:43That's what that's the thing. No, no,

41:44no. I'm not saying that like a pod but

41:46bring up that last picture that you just

41:48that you just had. Like I look at that

41:50and then I think I'm lying. Do you know

41:52how like if you look back at your

41:54stories and all that kind of stuff and

41:56you're talking about your mom and you're

41:57talking about how they used to steal

41:58your balcony and all that kind of stuff.

42:00And then you think, am am I lying?

42:03Did I make a bunch of [ __ ] up? Because

42:05when I look at that, dude, I go, you

42:07look pretty healthy and young and pretty

42:09innocent and naive.

42:11>> Oh, like are the stories in your head

42:12not real?

42:13>> Or not real because because that guy I

42:17don't see what I know was the trajectory

42:21from eight to that.

42:23>> I see.

42:24>> is super gnarly.

42:26You know, I'm not going to say it on

42:28here, but the [ __ ] that I was doing

42:30before that moment was

42:32I should have been here already.

42:34>> Really?

42:34>> Oh, yeah. For sure.

42:36>> You were partying pretty hard?

42:37>> Super hard. Like my like some of those

42:40guys had already died at that point. So,

42:43anyway, then you get this, then you go

42:45out and you be with your dad, and then

42:46you go on the 350 auditions and people

42:49are saying, you know,

42:50it's not for you, and then you get a

42:52role, and it's that role, and you show

42:55up, and you've never done it, and you

42:56don't know what you're doing.

42:58>> was one of your first roles, Goonies?

42:59>> The first role.

43:00>> No way, dude. I didn't Sorry, I didn't

43:02know this.

43:02>> The first time ever in front of a

43:05camera. I ruined the first day of

43:07shooting cuz I couldn't stop laughing.

43:09>> Wow.

43:10>> Couldn't stop ruining the whole [ __ ]

43:13>> were laughing cuz it all seemed

43:13ridiculous?

43:14>> No, it's just like nerves. Like nerves

43:17coming out sideways and [ __ ] Action.

43:19>> [laughter]

43:20>> You know. Just [ __ ] it all up. And I

43:23remember Spielberg coming up and saying,

43:24we need to we need to get through this.

43:27You need to just take a breath,

43:29and let's just get through this. I'm

43:31like, oh. Oh, yeah, okay, good.

43:34But then yeah, and then I did Thrashin'

43:36after that, which was became like one of

43:38the worst movies I ever did to me at

43:40that time.

43:41>> Thrashin'?

43:42>> Yeah, it was a skateboarding movie.

43:44>> Oh.

43:45>> And then

43:45>> makes sense though.

43:47>> And there you go. Like look at that

43:48quintessential '80s movie.

43:50>> Oh my god.

43:51>> Yeah.

43:52>> You look like Will Ferrell in that.

43:54>> I do? Really?

43:55>> This is like Will Ferrell and a young

43:56David Spade, I feel like, in this in

44:00this picture right here, [laughter]

44:01dude.

44:02>> My assistant, Bob, loves you.

44:05I mean, that's the thing. It's like it's

44:07a guy's story.

44:08>> That's great. You know what? It actually

44:10that that picture looks like Val Kilmer

44:11really a little.

44:12>> It kind of does, doesn't it? What? Me or

44:15her?

44:15>> You do.

44:16>> Oh, yeah, good.

44:17>> Different stages of Val.

44:18>> Different stages of Val. That was Val

44:20later.

44:20>> Thrash and it was just Val finding

44:22himself or whatever.

44:23>> kind of became like Tony Hawk was in

44:25that. Were you ever a skater? No?

44:26>> Mhm.

44:27>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, Tony Hawk was in

44:28that and like

44:31Tony Alva and all these famous skaters,

44:33Christian Hosoi and and this became way

44:35later like a cult film.

44:37>> Got it. Yeah, so I was going to ask you

44:39if it became like a cult classic kind

44:40of.

44:40>> And I saw it and I was so bad in it.

44:44I was like I like my acting is actually

44:46like actively hurting people at this

44:48point. Like go figure this out.

44:51>> But what do you Were you Did you think

44:52it was because you'd had a better

44:53director the first time? Or could you

44:55even ever do it and you just didn't

44:57realize it maybe?

44:58>> But you're asking questions that I

44:59couldn't even because I hadn't been

45:01around It's not like I grew up in the

45:02business. I grew up in LA and all So, I

45:04didn't know.

45:05>> Oh.

45:06>> All I know is I

45:08is I sounded stupid to me.

45:10>> Oh.

45:11>> And then I had no voice control, which I

45:13realized later is like part of it and

45:15you kind of you know, you're like,

45:16"Chrissy!"

45:17>> Yeah.

45:17>> "I love you!"

45:18>> And you're like, "Ew."

45:20>> Oh.

45:21>> You know, and that and then I went to

45:23New York and I studied and I did all

45:24that stuff.

45:26And then it kind of changed it. I met

45:27this guy Anthony Zerbe. I started doing

45:29a bunch of theater. I started doing all

45:30that stuff. It's boring, but

45:32>> [gasps]

45:33>> yeah, I took it seriously.

45:35So, I had 22 years of taking it

45:37seriously because nobody was interested

45:40until really I did No Country.

45:43>> Yeah.

45:44>> And then No Country kind of changed

45:46[ __ ]

45:48Kind of yeah.

45:50Definitely.

45:50>> Good for you, dude.

45:51>> Yeah, thanks, man.

45:53>> Sticking it out. And still believing in

45:55yourself, I bet. Were there times where

45:56you were like Did you even Did you get

45:58another job ever? Like were there times

45:59where you were like, "I can't" Well, I

46:00guess you had to get a job at some

46:01point, something else, or were you were

46:03you able to just financially take care

46:04of yourself?

46:05>> Yeah, I did I was a landscaper for a

46:07year.

46:08>> Oh, [ __ ] yeah.

46:09>> And then I was when I was 30,

46:11I was I traded full-time. I learned how

46:14to trade from a guy named Brett

46:16Markinson.

46:17>> Trading what? Cars or what?

46:18>> Stocks.

46:19>> Oh, stocks, yeah.

46:20>> Stocks.

46:21>> Wow.

46:21>> And I was I was really good at it.

46:23>> a stock trader?

46:24>> For almost 5 years, full-time.

46:27>> Were you on the floor with the tickets

46:28and stuff?

46:29>> No, bro.

46:29>> [laughter]

46:29>> Oh.

46:30That would have been great.

46:31>> Yeah, you know, no.

46:33Uh, I was at home with one, two, three

46:36screens and four tabs per screen.

46:38>> day trading.

46:39>> I was day trading. I was swing trading

46:41and day trading.

46:42>> What's the most that you ever made like

46:44in a in a

46:45>> The most I made more money I'd put it

46:47this way, I made more money in those

46:50four years, really. It was 5 years, but

46:51it within 4 years than I had made in 20

46:55years acting.

46:56>> Damn.

46:58>> But I didn't really make hardly anything

47:00in acting. You know, there was I didn't

47:01[laughter]

47:02cuz I wasn't really working. I mean,

47:04think about it, dude. And it's not and I

47:06don't mean to insult anybody out there,

47:08but if you think about like and I think

47:09it's okay to say this, No Country I made

47:11How much do you think I made from No

47:13Country? I'd been doing it already for

47:1522 years, 20 whatever years.

47:17>> How much do you think they They paid you

47:18to be in No Country for Old Men?

47:20>> bit about somebody being paid or not

47:22being paid. How much do you think they

47:23paid?

47:23>> I think that they paid you

47:27upfront, I bet that they paid you

47:29$200,000.

47:30>> That's pretty good. That was a good

47:31guess. 100.

47:33100. So, I cleared what? 30?

47:35>> Yeah.

47:36>> It's not considered a great year.

47:38>> Nah-uh.

47:39>> You know what I mean?

47:40>> Yeah.

47:40>> 30.

47:41>> Yeah.

47:41>> And then I did American Gangster after

47:42that cuz I auditioned while I was doing

47:45No Country. I sent in a tape and my son,

47:48who was 16 at the time, played the

47:50Denzel part.

47:51>> Mhm.

47:52>> We sent in that tape and that was That's

47:54the last audition I ever did.

47:56>> And that was it?

47:57>> I think so. I think so. I think maybe

47:59there was one other.

48:00>> Offer only.

48:02I love that. And you have to celebrate

48:04that stuff. It's cool.

48:05>> That's cool.

48:06>> It's so cool, dude.

48:07>> Especially that [ __ ] hurting people

48:08with my auditions.

48:10Um but yeah, anyway, that's that.

48:12>> And so the day trading went good?

48:14>> The day day trading I loved, man.

48:16>> But you had to give it up to acting was

48:17it?

48:17>> But it was day but that's the kind of

48:18like to to go back and like say how

48:21you're defined in your way and like oh

48:23this is how I'm defined or it's fighting

48:25or it's drinking and all that kind of

48:27[ __ ] and then you start things start to

48:29get revealed that you're good at. You're

48:31like wow, I could have developed this

48:33[ __ ] when I was young.

48:35Given the opportunity or maybe given

48:37somebody to direct you, a mentor or a

48:40parent or something like that. Like

48:41you're actually good at this [ __ ]

48:43You're not a total dumb [ __ ]

48:45>> Right.

48:46>> Do you know what I mean?

48:46>> Yeah, there was nothing

48:47>> There was nothing to suggest that there

48:49was anything other than a hollow shell

48:52of alcohol.

48:54>> Yeah. Oh, dude, sometimes it's like if I

48:56had somebody just to help lay down some

48:58banks.

48:59>> That's it.

48:59>> But instead I spent my whole life just

49:01like literally just trying to keep the

49:03water in with my [ __ ] hands it feels

49:05like.

49:05>> That's it.

49:06>> And it just feels impossible sometimes.

49:08But not all the time and over time it

49:10gets better.

49:10>> Yeah. Yeah.

49:11>> Um

49:12When did you start to get sober? When

49:14was that like journey for you?

49:15>> Quickly, I'll tell you. 19.

49:17I I'd gotten busted for something and I

49:19had to get out of it. So I did a

49:21>> I at 19 and I was doing a little I did a

49:24little bit of

49:25uh did jail time.

49:28But then I stayed sober for 3 and 1/2

49:29years. Then I went back out very

49:31actively, like consciously. And then I

49:34>> Like I'm going to go out there.

49:35>> Oh yeah, like I'm I miss that.

49:37>> Yeah.

49:37>> I'm going to do that again.

49:38>> heart kind of.

49:39>> Yeah.

49:39>> Like young.

49:40>> Young. I was what? 23 when I went back

49:42out? 22? 23?

49:44>> Were we all drinking out there then?

49:46>> I don't know what we're Look at you all

49:48into it.

49:49>> I'm [laughter] just kidding.

49:50>> You're like what were you I'll drink

49:51in?"

49:52Did it taste good?

49:55What were we drinking back then? I was

49:56drinking What was I I was drinking white

49:58Russians. Why was I drinking white

50:00Russians?

50:00>> Wow.

50:01>> But it's for a reason. It's like, "Why?

50:03Why do you"

50:03>> trying to be fancy?

50:04>> No.

50:06It wasn't fancy. It was for I don't know

50:08>> Oh, that's

50:08>> No, that maybe that was it. May When did

50:10it come out? When did that movie come

50:12out? Maybe that was it.

50:15And then I end up working with him

50:17twice. So, there you go. What When?

50:19>> 98. 98.

50:21>> No, it wasn't that.

50:22>> But it could have been.

50:23>> But it could have been.

50:24>> Dude, that's great.

50:25>> some unknown connection.

50:26>> We went to Santa Barbara and got to hang

50:28out with Jeff one day.

50:29>> What? No way.

50:30>> Yeah.

50:30>> Oh, he's the best.

50:31>> only 2 months ago, dude. It was one of

50:33bro, one of the coolest times of my

50:34life. He has a freaking chat GPT friend.

50:37>> That No.

50:38>> Yeah, dude. He's like

50:39>> with?

50:39>> Yeah, Gary. He's like, "Gary,

50:43what"

50:44And he's so

50:44>> Of course he does.

50:45>> Bro, he had me talking to Gary. I'm

50:47like, "The dude is on chat."

50:49>> What does he do? Ask him questions? Does

50:51he ask him like therapy questions?

50:53>> of stuff. He's like, "Tell him about our

50:54wife, Gary."

50:56And he just

50:56>> [laughter]

50:57>> He had me locked in, bro. It was just

50:59me, him talking to his computer. Then he

51:01made his computer make up a song about

51:02us hanging out. It was crazy.

51:05>> That's great.

51:05>> But it was so cool.

51:07>> Uh

51:07>> But yeah, Bridges was nice. You know You

51:09know what he

51:09>> He's great, dude.

51:10>> He sent me a nice picture that he drew

51:11for me.

51:12>> Yeah, of course he did.

51:13>> And he mailed it and he said we can get

51:14some soup when I come back.

51:15>> Yeah, soup. Just randomly.

51:18>> Yeah.

51:18>> He could cuz he can say whatever he

51:20wants and it works.

51:22>> Yeah, he can.

51:23>> Even with that voice. Even I was making

51:25fun of my voice. He's you know,

51:27been thrashing, but he like somehow made

51:29that voice cool.

51:31"Hey, man."

51:32>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. [laughter]

51:33>> "How's it going, man? Yeah.

51:36It's good to see you, man. Yeah."

51:38>> [laughter]

51:39>> You're like, "How did you make that

51:40cool? That's so not cool."

51:42>> I do.

51:43>> I love him, man. I worked with him

51:44twice.

51:45>> Oh, it's so cool.

51:46>> He's the [ __ ] best.

51:47>> Bro, it was that was one of the coolest

51:49days ever. Just getting to just to sit

51:50around with him and enjoy some moments,

51:52talk about some different stuff.

51:54>> Yeah. Talked about like relationships

51:55and how he Buddhism

51:56>> Yeah, a little bit of Buddhism. He had

51:58his buddy who had written a book. Um

52:00that was pretty cool. Then he talked

52:01about he was in recovery, too. He was he

52:03been in some recovery rooms. So we

52:05talked about that a little bit. And we

52:06talked a lot about Crazy Heart, man.

52:07>> Yeah, did you?

52:08>> Yeah.

52:09>> Cuz you love that movie.

52:10>> Oh, I love it.

52:10>> I do, too.

52:11>> God.

52:12>> Do you know the guy who who made the

52:13movie, who's the director?

52:15>> Mhm.

52:15>> Oh man, [clears throat] sober dude. Um

52:17which is okay to say, I think. Scott

52:20Scott

52:21>> My Scott Cooper.

52:22>> Jesus, man. Sorry, Scott.

52:24>> No, dude. Bro, that song in there, The

52:25Weary Kind?

52:26>> Yeah. Oh, it's just so good. Everything

52:29about it. And who wasn't Colin Farrell

52:31in it? Colin Farrell came up at the end

52:34and he sang a song at the end.

52:36>> No.

52:36>> Yeah, dude.

52:37>> Was Colin Farrell in that movie?

52:40You're our chat GPT.

52:44Jeff Chat What was his name? Gary? Gary

52:47to Jeff Yeah.

52:48>> Yeah, dude.

52:49>> Yes.

52:50>> Gary, man.

52:51>> it.

52:51>> Hey, Gary.

52:52>> Paul Herman? Pee-wee Herman?

52:55>> Pee-wee Herman?

52:56>> Pee-wee Herman. Paul Herman. No. Paul

52:59Herman was in the Scorsese movie. Paul

53:02Herman Paul Herman was the boyfriend of

53:05my first wife when I met her before we

53:07had our first two kids.

53:09>> Dear God.

53:10>> Just keep going through the internet and

53:11I have some connection with every single

53:13thing that you bring up.

53:14>> Oh, dang, man.

53:16>> Yeah, dude. Paul Herman.

53:18>> Paul Herman was great.

53:19>> Robert Duvall, he played the bartender

53:21in it that helped him get sober.

53:22>> That's right.

53:23>> Dude, that movie was so

53:25>> It was so good, man.

53:26>> So good. And then he sings

53:27>> was so good.

53:29But you know what? I remember seeing

53:30Jeff. I hope Jeff is okay with me saying

53:32this. I remember seeing Jeff on the

53:34circuit on like the the promotional

53:36circuit during that time that he did

53:38Crazy Heart.

53:40And he look I go, "Hey, how you doing?"

53:41He goes, "I miss being an underdog."

53:44>> Aw.

53:45>> Cuz he was just going from one thing to

53:47the other to the other and it was like,

53:49[ __ ] That whole thing.

53:51>> You did it out of out of your own skis,

53:53I'm sure.

53:54>> imagine because you do something that

53:56people love or that you're lauded for.

53:59But I've never had to really deal with

54:01that.

54:01>> Really? It seems like it's kind of

54:02getting to that space. Does it feel like

54:04>> know.

54:05>> You don't think?

54:05>> I don't know.

54:07>> Oh, yeah.

54:07>> I don't know. I don't understand my

54:09career at all.

54:10>> Did you ever feel like you knew though?

54:11>> No. No.

54:13>> Like really?

54:14>> No.

54:15>> Because I could see Jeff like gets like

54:17so busy you don't kind of don't even

54:18know. And then like whatever it was that

54:20made you feel special it feels like

54:21you've outs- not outsourced it but

54:23you've you've used it a lot. And even if

54:26you use your gifts a lot, I feel like

54:29um

54:30they there's something about they

54:33they lose their allure to you, I think.

54:36>> Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know

54:37exactly what you mean.

54:38>> And so that

54:39>> that also on top of that like I saw at

54:41Santa Barbara Bowl, I saw Jeff. That's

54:43the last place I saw Jeff and we're

54:45talking and we were at Dylan.

54:48And we both know Dylan separately.

54:50>> And Bob Dylan?

54:51>> Yeah.

54:51>> Yeah.

54:51>> And and and and and Dylan and we were

54:54both talking about, imagine what it's

54:57like being Dylan.

54:58>> Mhm.

54:59>> Imagine the level of fame that you can't

55:02go anywhere without people going, that's

55:04a genius. Like that's Bob [ __ ] Dylan

55:07who's defined eras.

55:10In the world.

55:11>> Yeah.

55:12>> While Jeff and I are having a talk and

55:14maybe somebody's coming up going,

55:17"I love

55:18Lebowski, dude!

55:20[ __ ] yeah!"

55:23Or people go, "No country!

55:25What was up with that dude's haircut?"

55:27>> Yeah, bro.

55:27>> You [laughter] know.

55:28>> It's Why is Jeff fans are Mexican it

55:31seems like it too I'm saying.

55:32>> we're in Santa Barbara.

55:33>> Oh, that's a good [laughter] point.

55:34>> Barbara.

55:34>> Bro, crazy hard, bro.

55:36>> Bro, loved you in in Milk, electric.

55:39>> I loved you, bro.

55:40>> [laughter]

55:40>> Bro, you [ __ ] played Harvey Milk,

55:42didn't you?

55:43>> Yeah, you played I don't know, I didn't.

55:45>> Bro, you were Harvey Milk?

55:47>> I wasn't Harvey Milk, dude.

55:48>> Wasn't Sean Penn, wasn't it?

55:49>> it? It was Sean Penn.

55:51>> He's pretty incredible, huh?

55:52>> Yeah, he's amazing. He's amazing in that

55:53movie. I saw that movie recently.

55:55>> Did you ever get to meet the guy that

55:56played My Left Foot or whatever? You

55:58know what I'm talking about?

55:59>> My Left Foot?

56:00>> My Left Foot.

56:01>> My Red Foot, I like. That's the guy that

56:03got that rash.

56:04>> Oh, yeah. It was the [laughter] guy It

56:06was either him or it was that

56:08>> No, Daniel Day-Lewis?

56:09>> Yes, dude.

56:10>> God, I love talking to you, man. You

56:12know nothing about the movie industry.

56:14>> Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, I don't know

56:16a ton about it, man.

56:17>> No, no, no, no. I'm not I'm not blaming

56:18you. I'm saying it's amazing.

56:21It's amazing because you like you

56:23talking about life [ __ ]

56:25>> Yeah.

56:25>> You're talking about like, oh, you're

56:26here and we're going to talk about the

56:27movie industry all the time. It's like

56:30when when you had Neil deGrasse Tyson in

56:32here, how was that?

56:33>> It was cool because I think some people

56:35like have thoughts like he has different

56:37views. Like I think he thinks men can be

56:39pregnant and stuff like that or

56:41whatever. But I don't care some of that

56:43sometimes I don't care about like things

56:44like that. Like I want to talk to him

56:46about space and I want to hear his

56:47voice, you know?

56:48>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

56:49>> some of us for me it's like sitting and

56:50just listening to his voice for a couple

56:52of hours and and just seeing if I can

56:54like I don't [snorts] know, just have

56:56some nice thoughts with him or

56:57something.

56:58>> Yeah.

56:58>> Sometimes it's just about like spending

56:59time.

57:00>> Yeah.

57:00>> So that was pretty cool and he's like,

57:02"Did you know?" you know?

57:04>> And he just [ __ ]

57:05>> And he kind of seems like some like

57:07um I don't even know what he seems like.

57:09>> than life.

57:10>> He seems like Father Time's like thick

57:12son.

57:13>> Father Time's thick son?

57:15>> Yeah.

57:15>> That's exactly

57:16>> It's like if Father Time had a thick son

57:17that went and did his own [ __ ] like his

57:19space [ __ ]

57:20And his he's his dad's like, "Bro, don't

57:22be doing all the space shit." And Neil's

57:24like, "I'm doing the space shit."

57:25>> I'm doing it. I don't give a [ __ ] what

57:27you say. I'm going out on my own.

57:28>> Yeah, and he also dude and he also like

57:31he went out but with like a hat, like um

57:34he he just has this like kind of

57:36timeless I can't even explain it.

57:37>> Yeah, no. That's what That's what I got

57:39when I met him. He came up to me and he

57:40was like, "Hey, man, I'm a big fan and I

57:42just want to say hello." And I was like,

57:43"Oh, nice to meet you. It's great." And

57:45then I'm talking to him, I don't

57:46recognize him. And then I look down and

57:47he's got like one of those

57:49like a low-ha shirts, but it's got

57:51planets all over it and like shooting

57:53stars. And I'm thinking, "What a weird

57:54shirt to wear?" And I was like, "No

57:56[ __ ] way." And then it hit me.

57:58You're Neil deGrasse Tyson.

58:00You're Father Time.

58:01>> Yeah.

58:02>> But the thick cousin of Father Time.

58:05[ __ ] yeah.

58:06He's so nice.

58:07>> Yeah, dude.

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1:00:55>> I love that [ __ ] and that's why I asked

1:00:56because things are being revealed now.

1:00:59Forget about like sobriety [ __ ]

1:01:02As an older person, things are being

1:01:04revealed now that I'm more excited about

1:01:07than I've ever been. Like

1:01:09like quantum physics with him and then I

1:01:11started like reading his [ __ ] and then I

1:01:13started reading, you know,

1:01:15what's his name? Carlo Rovello

1:01:18or Rovelli. You know, and and that Carlo

1:01:20Rovelli was was, you know, wrote this

1:01:22book on, you know, the basics of of

1:01:25quantum physics.

1:01:26And is that him? Yeah. Yeah, man. And

1:01:30these guys are [ __ ] genius.

1:01:33And it's so fun following this like

1:01:35labyrinth of all this new stuff and

1:01:37being turned on to all this [ __ ] that

1:01:40I'm like, this is amazing. This is like

1:01:42I feel like I'm This should have

1:01:44happened when I was in school, but it

1:01:46didn't, but it's happening now and it's

1:01:48happening now. It's so cool.

1:01:49>> Do you feel like you've had two

1:01:50different lives, a life before sobriety

1:01:52and after? Like is there something that

1:01:53that did for you that made life even

1:01:55more interesting?

1:01:57>> No, I feel like there's been like

1:01:5928 of them.

1:02:00>> Wow.

1:02:01>> So there wasn't one or two. Or like one

1:02:03and then this happened then it all

1:02:05changed.

1:02:05>> Yeah.

1:02:06>> No, and maybe because I've been sober a

1:02:07few times. I don't know. I don't know. I

1:02:09don't think it has to do I think part of

1:02:10it has to do with sobriety, but part of

1:02:12it has to do with people I met. Part of

1:02:14it has to do with setting. Like I just

1:02:16literally landed from Tucson, Arizona

1:02:18and I went Tucson, Arizona for 3 days

1:02:20and I saw a guy that I've known for 38

1:02:22years who I met on the set of some

1:02:24series that I was doing out in the

1:02:25middle of nowhere 45 minutes from Tucson

1:02:28that nobody ever saw, but I met this

1:02:30fireman out there and he's still one of

1:02:32my best friends.

1:02:33>> Wow.

1:02:34>> So I just went out there and stayed in

1:02:36his little guest room and and we, you

1:02:38know, and it's just cool [ __ ] And

1:02:40Tucson is [ __ ] weird.

1:02:41>> Dude, it's weird. I used to live there.

1:02:43>> What?

1:02:44>> lived at Colt near Kolb and Pantano.

1:02:46>> What?

1:02:47>> Yeah, dude. I used to freaking live

1:02:48>> go to college there?

1:02:49>> I went to University of Arizona for one

1:02:51semester and I went to high school there

1:02:54for one semester, too, dude. And they

1:02:55would always have like all the kids like

1:02:57in predominantly Mexican kids in my

1:02:58school and that means all Mexican kids.

1:03:00>> Yeah.

1:03:01That was me, too, by the way.

1:03:02>> it was me, bro. And I took [ __ ]

1:03:05Spanish class, bro, and they would

1:03:06[ __ ]

1:03:08They were [ __ ] over on the side

1:03:10[ __ ] doing like I think some of them

1:03:12were like even painting the classroom

1:03:14and [ __ ] Like people were [ __ ] worth

1:03:15like they gotten jobs with the school

1:03:17for that hour. Or they were all hanging

1:03:19out and I was the only one talking with

1:03:21the teacher. It was like me and the

1:03:22teacher just learning Spanish and they

1:03:24all knew it, but it was a class that

1:03:25they had. And all the kids would fight

1:03:27in a car wash after. Like, you want to

1:03:29box, they say. And they would [ __ ]

1:03:31fight in the car wash

1:03:32>> That's why you know how to do the

1:03:33accent.

1:03:34>> And bro, the best was the guy like the

1:03:35short guy.

1:03:37But when he would talk, he would have to

1:03:38get taller like so he would look [ __ ]

1:03:41straight up, bro.

1:03:42He'd be like, "Dog."

1:03:43>> You ever see La Sleepy? It's La Sleepy.

1:03:46She dances. Bring up La Sleepy.

1:03:47>> I've never seen her.

1:03:48>> Yeah, La Sleepy.

1:03:49>> Oh, La Dormilona.

1:03:51>> Sleepy. There's La Sleepy.

1:03:53>> Oh, bro.

1:03:54>> La Sleepy. She's cool [ __ ] She will

1:03:57dance on Instagram for you.

1:04:01Look at Oh, yeah.

1:04:02>> [ __ ] yeah.

1:04:03>> No, anyway, yeah. Uh Tucson, yeah. I

1:04:06>> Tucson's magical.

1:04:06>> My My My school three just to say it,

1:04:10Santa Barbara High, 3 and 1/2 thousand

1:04:12people, 80% Mexican.

1:04:14>> Really?

1:04:15>> Oh, yeah. 80% Mexican. And it's And it

1:04:17wasn't like a thing and it's not a

1:04:19thing, but it was definitely like when I

1:04:21showed up at school, it's like, "What

1:04:22you looking at, white boy?"

1:04:23>> Yeah.

1:04:24>> It was like, "Ah, man, it's all good."

1:04:26>> What's happening, wevo?

1:04:26>> Scrappy. What's happening, wevo?

1:04:28>> Yeah. That's what they would say.

1:04:29>> ese?

1:04:30>> What's up, wevo? What's up? They would

1:04:31call me egg.

1:04:32>> And it would be the the It would be the

1:04:34blue pants and then the wife beater and

1:04:37then the shirt with the button up here

1:04:40and open all the rest and the Vans, the

1:04:42slip-on Vans.

1:04:43>> Yeah, it was cool. What a life.

1:04:45It was fun, bro. Y'all went to Santa

1:04:47Rita.

1:04:47>> Did you?

1:04:48>> Yeah, Santa Rita High School. And they

1:04:50would have the alarms would go off. They

1:04:52would have some sort of gang issues all

1:04:53the time. They said the alarms would go

1:04:55off. We'd have to lay down. I remember

1:04:56laying down at lunch and having to eat

1:04:58my cheeseburger just laying there.

1:05:00>> It wasn't about like earthquakes and

1:05:01[ __ ] Shootings.

1:05:03>> It was just like violencia, you know.

1:05:05>> It's violencia.

1:05:06>> But [laughter] it was a [ __ ]

1:05:07>> You ever see two Mexican chicks fight?

1:05:10>> I don't know if I did, but

1:05:11>> It's not nothing I've ever seen in my

1:05:14life, including Tyson boxing matches.

1:05:17>> Wow.

1:05:18>> That is that violent. Ever.

1:05:20>> Really?

1:05:21>> Oh, bro.

1:05:21>> Yeah.

1:05:22>> Just went at it.

1:05:23>> Cuz they get it done.

1:05:24>> Hair pulling, punching, nails.

1:05:26>> That's what we need.

1:05:28>> That's what we need. We need that back.

1:05:30>> Yeah.

1:05:30>> [laughter]

1:05:30>> I know we need that back.

1:05:32>> know Dana pretty well?

1:05:33>> Yeah.

1:05:33>> Dana pretty well.

1:05:34>> I do know Dana.

1:05:35>> Yeah, I know Dana through motorcycling.

1:05:37He loves Harleys, and I love Harleys.

1:05:39Yeah, loves.

1:05:40>> Is that one of your uh hobbies?

1:05:41>> Like my thing is I have a group of guys,

1:05:43and I go on these long pulls, 1,200 mile

1:05:45pulls, or whatever. And then Dana does

1:05:47it with newer bikes, but he has, you

1:05:49know, his group of guys, and he goes

1:05:50out, and we talk, and

1:05:52>> I didn't know that.

1:05:52>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.

1:05:53>> Yeah, he's been real good to me about

1:05:55just uh

1:05:56Yeah, just welcoming me into that group

1:05:58over there. Just letting me be around

1:06:00their group.

1:06:01>> Yeah.

1:06:01>> And um

1:06:02>> It's cool.

1:06:03>> I do I mean, that's been one of the

1:06:04gifts of my life is being associated

1:06:06with, I think,

1:06:07>> Mhm.

1:06:08>> the people there, and the the the just

1:06:09getting to see the fighters inspired by

1:06:11a lot of those guys, you know? It's so

1:06:13fascinating.

1:06:14>> I do.

1:06:14>> Yeah, me too.

1:06:15>> I didn't.

1:06:16>> Yeah, me too. When that first happened,

1:06:18>> It's too much.

1:06:19>> like, this is not going to work.

1:06:20>> It was crazy, dude. It was the same

1:06:21people that were like breeding dogs and

1:06:23[ __ ] would have like a V8

1:06:25>> Yeah, they'd have a VHS tape. The same

1:06:28guy that was like saying, "You could

1:06:29[ __ ] my sister, though." Or whatever.

1:06:31Like that guy would be watching it on

1:06:33the weekend. He'd be like, "These people

1:06:35are going to Hades." Or whatever, you

1:06:37know? Like it was

1:06:37>> Seriously, though. It just wasn't going

1:06:39to work. And then it got more

1:06:40interesting and more interesting, and

1:06:42then it started overwhelming boxing,

1:06:43which was crazy.

1:06:44>> Oh, the journey of it all has been

1:06:45crazy. But in the beginning, yeah. I

1:06:47mean, and when you saw this, you were

1:06:48like, "What the [ __ ] is

1:06:49>> I mean, look at that. What's happening?

1:06:51Is this Is this a Is this heavyweight?

1:06:54And what happened to the guy? Did he

1:06:56deflate?

1:06:57>> It just seems like I'm trying to think

1:07:00what happened.

1:07:01>> no gloves.

1:07:02Bare knuckle.

1:07:03>> And then now we've come all the way

1:07:04around back around a bare knuckle

1:07:06>> knuckles. Mike Perry

1:07:08>> Yeah.

1:07:08>> and what a great what what amazing to

1:07:10watch Mike Perry's journey where he like

1:07:12he was in UFC beloved by people just for

1:07:15wearing his all of his heart on both of

1:07:17his sleeves and just like and but

1:07:19couldn't he would always just go

1:07:20straight at the guy and get hit a

1:07:22million times but then he created this

1:07:24other outlet for and it just like I

1:07:26don't know.

1:07:27>> So many great stories. I mean Nick

1:07:29turned me on our producer Nick is the

1:07:30one who kind of turned me on to UFC and

1:07:32um we had Tate Fletcher in and then we

1:07:34had um

1:07:34>> And then who Tate?

1:07:35>> Yeah, he's a great guy.

1:07:36>> Tate really well.

1:07:37>> And then uh Dustin Poirier came on and

1:07:39then he and I became friends and then

1:07:41just like David Spade took me to a UFC

1:07:43fight and then um and then since then

1:07:45yeah we've gotten to go and now they're

1:07:47letting me even work on the ring side

1:07:48and doing like a um

1:07:50>> Like commentating?

1:07:51>> Yeah, but it's uh like a just a casual

1:07:54commentating like

1:07:55>> Yeah.

1:07:55>> Just watching

1:07:56>> out [ __ ]

1:07:56>> Yeah, just me watching the fights with

1:07:58like Dean Thomas so

1:07:59>> No way.

1:07:59>> If you ever come you have to be a guest.

1:08:01We had Anthony Kiedis last time. Drew

1:08:02Brees came and was a guest dude. Drew

1:08:05Brees who like

1:08:08like

1:08:09>> Yeah.

1:08:09>> He came and was a guest um just like so

1:08:13moments like that Gaethje came Rogan was

1:08:15just like

1:08:16and none of that matters but just to be

1:08:17able to sit there with them that we all

1:08:18have this thing in common.

1:08:20>> So cool.

1:08:20>> It's amazing. It's nice to have the

1:08:22through line. That's what I'm saying

1:08:23about the motorcycles and and and

1:08:26you know, it's like you have the through

1:08:27line man. You have this interest. You

1:08:30have this shared interest and you're

1:08:31like this is [ __ ] bitching.

1:08:33>> Yeah.

1:08:33>> And the yeah the UFC stuff is huge for

1:08:35me and always has been. What What was

1:08:37the last fight I haven't been to a fight

1:08:39in a long time. The last fight I went to

1:08:41was when

1:08:44Holly Holm lost to Miesha Tate.

1:08:47>> Yeah.

1:08:48>> That was Nate Diaz when Nate Diaz

1:08:51won or lost to Conor McGregor.

1:08:54>> Oh wow.

1:08:55>> Conor what submission by whom? Oh, by

1:08:58Nate So Nate Diaz won

1:09:00and Holly Holm lost.

1:09:02>> That was a long time ago.

1:09:03>> Yeah, that was a while ago. That was the

1:09:05last fight that I was at and I and I saw

1:09:07Joe there and all that.

1:09:08>> Oh, yeah. It's so It's just so much fun,

1:09:09dude.

1:09:10>> It's so much fun.

1:09:11>> And all the people that Dana has working

1:09:12around him, Craig Borsari,

1:09:15um

1:09:16Nicole, Amber. Just like there's so many

1:09:18people there and now when I see him,

1:09:19like I just remember like it's family.

1:09:22>> Yes, that's what it feels like in there,

1:09:23like family.

1:09:24>> You have I I do want to make sure that

1:09:26we talk about you have a new project

1:09:27coming out called Whale Fall.

1:09:29>> Yes, sir.

1:09:31Do you want to talk about it?

1:09:32>> Well,

1:09:33>> Have you seen it? No.

1:09:34>> I haven't seen it. They won't let me in

1:09:35to watch it.

1:09:36>> No, I don't I know I I think I knew

1:09:37that.

1:09:38Um

1:09:39>> And that's okay.

1:09:40>> Yeah, Whale Fall, Austin Abrams. It's

1:09:43It's bitching. I mean, it really is.

1:09:45Like a word that I can use that you

1:09:47understand. It's one of these movies

1:09:49that's

1:09:49There's a book written by uh Daniel

1:09:52Kraus, who's become a really close

1:09:53friend, who stayed in our house for a

1:09:55couple weeks finishing his last novel.

1:09:57He just won the Pulitzer for the novel

1:10:00that he did after this, which is called

1:10:02Angel Down. I read this while I was

1:10:05doing while I was working with Ridley in

1:10:07Italy on uh

1:10:08>> With Ridley Scott?

1:10:09>> Yeah, with The Dog Stars that just came

1:10:11out.

1:10:12And I was reading this book while I was

1:10:14doing that movie and I remember getting

1:10:16to the end of the book and I slowed it

1:10:18down, which I hadn't done for a long

1:10:19time and slowed it down cuz I didn't

1:10:21want it to end. And then it end and I

1:10:23put the book on my chest and I [ __ ]

1:10:25sobbed.

1:10:26>> Mhm.

1:10:26>> Like, when was the last time I've done

1:10:28that?

1:10:28>> Of what? You mean Whale Fall?

1:10:29>> When I read the book.

1:10:31And then I didn't even read the script.

1:10:32I said, "I'm in. I'll do it." And, you

1:10:35know, it's not like it's playing the dad

1:10:37of Austin Abrams who goes the dad dies.

1:10:41Austin Abrams goes out to try to find

1:10:44his remains knowing where he went down.

1:10:46He jumped out of a boat, went down.

1:10:48>> Don't tell me everything.

1:10:49>> No, no, no, I won't tell you everything.

1:10:50He gets swallowed by the whale.

1:10:52And then

1:10:53>> god.

1:10:54>> And you're like, "How What do a movie

1:10:55where a dude spends

1:10:5780% of the story How do you write a book

1:11:00or do a movie where the guy spends 80%

1:11:02of the time in a in a whale?

1:11:03>> In a whale?

1:11:04>> And it's [ __ ] really good.

1:11:06>> Wow.

1:11:07>> Like and I'm pretty I'm pretty honest

1:11:09about when I see a movie I go, "Nah,

1:11:12we missed a little bit."

1:11:13>> Yeah, you said Thrasher was bad.

1:11:14>> Yeah. Yeah.

1:11:15>> It came along though.

1:11:16>> It did. And then and then I learned not

1:11:18to say shit's bad.

1:11:19>> Wow, yeah.

1:11:20>> Because somebody comes up and says, "Hey

1:11:22man, you know, my parents were junkies

1:11:24and this and I watched that movie and I

1:11:27found skateboarding and skateboarding

1:11:28became my skateboarding saved my life."

1:11:31And I go, "Okay, so I'll never say, you

1:11:33know, hey, were you in Thrasher?" And I

1:11:34go, "Yeah, that movie sucked." You know

1:11:36what I mean? Like why do you put that on

1:11:38there? That's not their experience.

1:11:40So Well Fall did doesn't suck. Well Fall

1:11:43is really good. The directing's really

1:11:46good. The acting Austin Abrams is

1:11:48amazing. He was in Weapons with me.

1:11:50>> Bring up a picture of Austin Abrams.

1:11:52Dude, I got to meet freaking Austin

1:11:53Butler not long Have you ever met him?

1:11:55>> Yeah, I did Dune with him.

1:11:56>> You did?

1:11:57>> Dude, I have to [ __ ] watch that.

1:11:59>> Dune with him. Yeah.

1:12:01>> That's him?

1:12:02>> Yeah, that's him. He looks a little

1:12:03skinny there, but if you look to the

1:12:05left, he looks a little more full-faced.

1:12:08>> Yeah. He also looks a bit like

1:12:11>> a little like you.

1:12:12>> Really?

1:12:13>> No.

1:12:14>> [laughter]

1:12:17>> What about that one?

1:12:18>> No, he looks like Timothy Chalamet.

1:12:20>> You didn't see You didn't like Timothy

1:12:21Chalamet? You think so?

1:12:23>> maybe, dude.

1:12:24>> [laughter]

1:12:24>> That's who he looks like.

1:12:25>> Oh god.

1:12:26>> And I'm it No shade Austin.

1:12:27>> No shade Austin.

1:12:28>> And also to even look close to Timothy

1:12:30Chalamet is pretty good.

1:12:32>> Yeah.

1:12:32>> But that's cool, bro.

1:12:33>> Timothy's kind of the tip top of it all,

1:12:36right?

1:12:36>> Timothy's a neat guy.

1:12:37>> Yeah, you haven't seen Dune?

1:12:39>> I haven't seen Oh, I will tell you this.

1:12:41I tried to watch it in the freaking

1:12:42audio was bad on the television I was

1:12:44watching it on.

1:12:44>> So you can't do that cuz the audio is

1:12:46like everything in that movie. Dune 1,

1:12:48Dune 2, Dune 3.

1:12:51>> Oh, [ __ ]

1:12:53>> God Sicario. Have you seen Sicario?

1:12:55>> Uh-uh. Is that with Marlon Brando?

1:12:57>> No, that's with me and

1:12:59wait, who? Benicio del Toro.

1:13:03>> The other worst actor? They put you

1:13:05>> The other worst actor, yeah.

1:13:07Um

1:13:08Emily Blunt. That's a good movie, dude.

1:13:10That's a good movie. Yeah.

1:13:11>> I'll put it on stuff to consume. I have

1:13:13a list of things to consume in my

1:13:14>> You know I'm an actor.

1:13:15>> Yeah.

1:13:15>> That's what I do.

1:13:17>> Sorry, yeah. I'm sorry.

1:13:18>> you do?

1:13:19>> [laughter]

1:13:20>> I heard you were sober.

1:13:22>> I don't know.

1:13:25Well, I'm sorry, dude.

1:13:26>> No, it's good.

1:13:28>> Sorry, dude. Yeah.

1:13:30>> No.

1:13:30>> Yeah, I know a lot of stuff.

1:13:32>> I know you do.

1:13:32>> Okay, thanks.

1:13:33>> dude.

1:13:33>> Thanks, dude.

1:13:34>> You are.

1:13:35>> Um

1:13:36>> Oh, there's another one. Thanks for

1:13:37bringing up another one. Only the Brave.

1:13:39>> Only the Brave with Miles Teller, dude.

1:13:42>> And

1:13:42>> He's

1:13:43>> Jeff Bridges.

1:13:44>> Oh, wow.

1:13:45>> There's Jeff.

1:13:45>> Miles is a good dancer.

1:13:48Miles is a good dancer.

1:13:50>> Yeah.

1:13:50>> He is. How do you know that?

1:13:52>> He just dances to the beat of his own

1:13:53drum. I've seen him at places, him

1:13:54dancing. And sometimes I used to go up

1:13:56and talk to him if I saw him. I mean,

1:13:58Miles and I get along well and I

1:13:59we're buddy with Texan stuff and chat

1:14:01about the fights. But now if I see him

1:14:03dancing, I just stand and admire it.

1:14:04>> Yeah. No, I do, too. Cuz you can't

1:14:06dance, right?

1:14:07>> Not like him.

1:14:08>> No, I can't dance either.

1:14:10>> himself.

1:14:10>> Yeah.

1:14:11>> I I always had a tough time enjoying

1:14:13myself. Does that make any sense?

1:14:15>> No, it does. It makes perfect sense cuz

1:14:16I had the same thing. Like I look like

1:14:18an idiot right now.

1:14:19>> Yeah.

1:14:20>> And imagine doing it on film.

1:14:21>> Ugh.

1:14:22>> Where they go, "Hey, you're going to do

1:14:23this dance." And everybody goes,

1:14:25>> Too scary.

1:14:26>> That sucks.

1:14:27>> Too scary.

1:14:28>> Josh looks like a Neanderthal trying to

1:14:29dance. That's not cool.

1:14:32I'm like, "No, I can't do it. I can't do

1:14:34it." And then Miles does it and you go,

1:14:37That's how it's done.

1:14:38>> It can be done. Yeah, he just and he

1:14:39does his own way. Yeah, he I admire that

1:14:41he's just able to be such an in a free

1:14:44space.

1:14:44>> Yeah.

1:14:45>> Um

1:14:45>> He's a good actor, too.

1:14:46>> Yeah, dude. He's good.

1:14:47>> Really good.

1:14:48>> He's really good. He's so entertaining.

1:14:50Um oh, what what about the book made you

1:14:53sob at the at the end? Was it just the

1:14:54ending or was it something

1:14:55>> No, I think it was the father-son

1:14:59ex-

1:15:00relationship because the father in the

1:15:02book is super hard on the son

1:15:05and the son rejects it in a major way

1:15:08and then when he need what he needs in

1:15:12order to

1:15:14hopefully survive is exactly what the

1:15:17father taught him.

1:15:19Do you know what I mean? So, it's not

1:15:21like the father was just being a dick to

1:15:23be a dick. It's just the way that came

1:15:25out that seemed dicky.

1:15:26>> Yeah.

1:15:27>> You know what I'm saying?

1:15:28>> Yeah.

1:15:28>> So, that and then you realize ah, the

1:15:30dad actually cared and it actually meant

1:15:33something

1:15:34and maybe somehow the father even knew

1:15:37intuitively that he was going to need

1:15:39it.

1:15:39>> That's crazy.

1:15:41>> That was cool to me.

1:15:43That's a good writer to me. Like

1:15:44somebody who you're just reading this

1:15:46kind of surface thing and you're like,

1:15:47yeah, this is a really cool story and

1:15:49then somehow somebody reaches inside you

1:15:52and just [ __ ] grabs your heart and

1:15:54[ __ ] squeezes it.

1:15:55>> Surprise, [ __ ]

1:15:56>> Surprise, [ __ ]

1:15:57>> doctor.

1:15:59>> [laughter]

1:16:02>> Dude, yeah.

1:16:03>> Yeah.

1:16:03>> Your dad Your and your dad was an actor?

1:16:05>> My dad is an actor.

1:16:06>> Is your dad Sorry.

1:16:08>> He's still alive.

1:16:09>> Thank god.

1:16:09>> Yeah.

1:16:10>> [laughter]

1:16:10>> Thank god.

1:16:12>> No,

1:16:12he's still he's 86

1:16:15and he's he's killing it. He's doing

1:16:16well.

1:16:17>> Well, James, you have a nice son.

1:16:20I'll say that to you.

1:16:20>> Thank you.

1:16:21>> Was your dad Your dad was famous when

1:16:22you were growing up?

1:16:24>> He He He fluctuated, man. He did a show

1:16:27called

1:16:28uh

1:16:29[ __ ] Marcus Welby when I was a kid. So,

1:16:32we were My parents were super poor and

1:16:35they both come My dad was kind of

1:16:36middle-class family, my mom was super

1:16:38poor family from Texas and then and then

1:16:42he got this [ __ ] role

1:16:44on TV that became like the Friends of

1:16:47that generation. It was the number one

1:16:49TV show for like 5 years.

1:16:51>> Really?

1:16:52>> Yeah. What was it called? It Marcus

1:16:53Welby.

1:16:55Yeah, look at that's him.

1:16:57And then he and then he fluctuated. He

1:17:00did a movie called Amityville Horror

1:17:02like maybe 20 years after that or maybe

1:17:0410 years after that. So, he would have

1:17:07money and then not have money and then

1:17:08have money and not have money and you

1:17:10know, like normal actor, man.

1:17:11>> Yeah.

1:17:12>> Normal creative profession. It's like,

1:17:15you know, you have books that sell and

1:17:16books that don't sell. You have movies

1:17:17that do well, you have movies that don't

1:17:19do well.

1:17:20>> So, you saw this growing up. Do you

1:17:21think that's why you ended up want vice?

1:17:23>> it's part of it. I think it's part of

1:17:25it.

1:17:25>> Yeah, something you something

1:17:26>> But my mom rode a Harley. He didn't ride

1:17:28a Harley. My mom rode a Harley.

1:17:30>> [ __ ] yeah.

1:17:31>> With the monkey.

1:17:32Which was probably unsafe.

1:17:34>> Reggie?

1:17:35>> Reggie. Reggie rode on the back.

1:17:36>> Dude, how could I have a suspended

1:17:38license? How in the [ __ ] do you do right

1:17:40now? How do you get a license?

1:17:42>> Oh, wait, you have a suspended

1:17:43>> Yeah.

1:17:44>> one.

1:17:44>> Did you?

1:17:45>> Yeah, 17, 18. 16, 17. 17, 18.

1:17:49>> You got suspended?

1:17:49>> Yeah.

1:17:50>> Yeah.

1:17:51They'll give it back. They don't like to

1:17:52sometimes.

1:17:53>> like to give it back.

1:17:54>> and they shouldn't, but they'll give it

1:17:56back. Dude, but what about So, if your

1:17:59dad was famous, was it weird it was fame

1:18:00like this weird thing that you felt like

1:18:03um

1:18:03>> I still feel it, man. I mean, look, if

1:18:05we if we

1:18:06>> you feel like you're like was your was

1:18:07it a big thing to your dad or was the

1:18:09acting a big thing? Is that a weird

1:18:11question?

1:18:11>> Yeah, but it was my my mom like I don't

1:18:14mean to demean my dad, but my mom would

1:18:16call studio heads when my dad didn't get

1:18:19something and say, "Are you stupid?

1:18:21>> Yeah.

1:18:22>> Have you seen my husband? Like he's 6'4,

1:18:25super handsome. Like why would you use

1:18:27this other guy when you could use him?"

1:18:29So, they were all talking about my mom.

1:18:32Cuz my mom, like I had said, had no

1:18:33filter.

1:18:35She was everything.

1:18:36>> That's amazing.

1:18:37>> So, she would just call and just, you

1:18:38know, and and they would talk to each

1:18:40other and be like, "Have you gotten a

1:18:41call from this girl?" I go, "Oh, yeah, I

1:18:43talked to her last week."

1:18:44And [snorts] and my dad and not all his

1:18:47jobs, but he got some jobs from that.

1:18:49You know what I mean?

1:18:49>> Yes.

1:18:50>> But fame was like a I remember my dad

1:18:53doing really well at some point and I

1:18:55and he would get really irritated with

1:18:57the attention.

1:18:58>> With the attention?

1:18:59>> Yeah, with the attention. With public

1:19:01attention. Some people eat it up.

1:19:04You know? Do you?

1:19:06>> Um I think there was a time where you

1:19:08were excited about it. You want people

1:19:10to know who you are.

1:19:12And then there's a time like I think it

1:19:13got to a point where it was kind of

1:19:15maybe I don't put scary as the word, but

1:19:18you know what? I miss like

1:19:21I used to one thing I even you know I

1:19:23used to like about comedy was if it was

1:19:26a surprise to people.

1:19:27>> Yeah. Because when people don't know

1:19:29that you're that or people haven't seen

1:19:31you

1:19:32>> That's what I mean.

1:19:32>> then you can you have the opportunity to

1:19:35surprise them with something that you

1:19:36say and that disappears. So, then you

1:19:39have to work in a different space with

1:19:41humor. And maybe with anything.

1:19:43>> Which may be cool because you're having

1:19:45to reinvent your own humor. So, that's

1:19:47cool because that's creative and you

1:19:49have to like redesign this whole thing.

1:19:52But at the same time it's kind of a

1:19:53bummer because everybody knows you. If

1:19:55you do too many freaking podcasts or too

1:19:57many interviews, people know you so well

1:19:59that what could you possibly do

1:20:02on the stage or on the screen that

1:20:04people

1:20:05>> are like, I had no idea.

1:20:07And I thought you were a paraplegic.

1:20:10>> [laughter]

1:20:11>> You know what I mean?

1:20:12>> playing prefontaine.

1:20:15And dude, I think sometimes you start to

1:20:17like I don't know. I think there's

1:20:20moments where it's like

1:20:21I I don't like you don't even like like

1:20:25I don't know if it's like you don't even

1:20:26like yourself that you

1:20:28put out there or something or it's like

1:20:30you want to

1:20:31be something different. I don't know.

1:20:33>> Yeah.

1:20:33>> It's all I think it's a lot of it's been

1:20:35kind of interesting. Here's what I would

1:20:37do think about it. A lot of times I try

1:20:38not to attach myself to it too much.

1:20:40When I do that gets kind of like

1:20:42then I'm really [snorts] stuck kind of

1:20:43in some ego space.

1:20:45>> Yeah.

1:20:45>> And I try to

1:20:46just be like, "Okay, this is an

1:20:47interesting experiment that God kind of

1:20:49has me in. I get to see what this is

1:20:52like to have popularity. I get to see

1:20:54what it's like."

1:20:54>> Yeah, I'll experiment with this.

1:20:56>> Yes.

1:20:56>> I'll experiment with my reaction to it.

1:20:58I'll experiment with Yes, that's when

1:21:00it's cool.

1:21:01>> Yeah, but it's not like I don't want it

1:21:02to determine

1:21:04um Like there were times when I was

1:21:06struggling with sobriety and I didn't

1:21:07want to talk about it on the podcast

1:21:09>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:21:10>> because

1:21:11>> Yeah.

1:21:12Cuz you were struggling with

1:21:13>> But I but I'm okay with that part, but I

1:21:15didn't want This is about alcoholism, I

1:21:17think, but it's like I was afraid

1:21:20>> Mhm.

1:21:20>> that

1:21:21Well, what if people respond to that in

1:21:23some way?

1:21:24>> Mhm.

1:21:25>> And then my alcoholistic mind or

1:21:27whatever starts

1:21:28either relapsing or doing something like

1:21:31that just to get people to then

1:21:33>> Mhm.

1:21:34>> like pay attention.

1:21:35>> I got it.

1:21:35>> It was like I don't want to like

1:21:37>> I play into this public persona?

1:21:39>> Yes.

1:21:40>> So they'll keep liking me or they'll

1:21:42care or I can surprise them in this way.

1:21:44>> Right.

1:21:45>> I lived on that, man. I lived on the

1:21:47stories that I wouldn't even remember.

1:21:50But I lived on because it made me it

1:21:53materialized me. It made me seen. It was

1:21:56like, "Fuck, do you know what you did

1:21:57yesterday?" I was like, "No, what?" Uh

1:22:00and they were like, "Dude."

1:22:03>> Yeah.

1:22:03>> You know what I mean?

1:22:05And then you go, "Okay, that's who I

1:22:07am."

1:22:08Like me talking about my mom now and

1:22:09you're fascinated. I'm like, "I'll

1:22:11create my version of that."

1:22:13>> Yeah.

1:22:14>> And then to not do that, you have to

1:22:15create this other thing and then you

1:22:17know, like you you're obviously really

1:22:19good at what you do

1:22:21and people are like, "Oh, you're good at

1:22:22that.

1:22:23You're not just good at cocaine.

1:22:25[laughter]

1:22:25You're good at

1:22:26>> Well, tell me tell me a little bit more

1:22:28what you're saying cuz I'm a little

1:22:29confused on it.

1:22:29>> Yeah.

1:22:31I think that fame, what fame can do

1:22:34is define you in a way and I don't want

1:22:37to be defined.

1:22:39I don't want to be defined as an

1:22:40alcoholic. I don't want to be defined as

1:22:42famous. I don't want to be defined even

1:22:44as an actor. Like I realize it's what I

1:22:46do.

1:22:46>> I don't want to be defined as anything.

1:22:47>> As anything.

1:22:48>> What is that?

1:22:48>> I want to keep discovering [ __ ] I want

1:22:51to keep learning [ __ ] I want to keep

1:22:53surprising myself. If I decided to quit

1:22:56acting tomorrow and I decided to become

1:22:57a full-time trader, if I wanted to be a

1:22:59photographer, I wanted to do this, I

1:23:01want to be allowed to do that. I don't

1:23:03want to be imprisoned by some idea that

1:23:06I've finally been accepted as this one

1:23:08thing cuz that's not my goal is to be

1:23:10accepted.

1:23:12Do you know what I mean?

1:23:13>> Yeah, I'm as you're saying I'm thinking

1:23:15about it. I don't want to be defined.

1:23:17>> I don't want to be defined.

1:23:18>> want you to know who I am cuz I don't

1:23:19know who I am.

1:23:20>> Right. But then what what happens when

1:23:22you finally know who you are

1:23:24or you don't care as much how people

1:23:26perceive you and then you're like, I'm

1:23:28good with that.

1:23:29>> Mhm.

1:23:29>> You know, it's like when when with fame,

1:23:32I said there's one thing. If with fame

1:23:35I've realized this is that every every

1:23:39person who looks at me

1:23:42with some kind of an idea that it's

1:23:44elevated, that what I do is elevated,

1:23:47they think that as an actor who's doing

1:23:50well is walking a perpetual red carpet

1:23:53waving at a perpetual audience.

1:23:55>> Mhm.

1:23:55>> Like you don't do real [ __ ]

1:23:57>> Right.

1:23:58>> Like you don't change the chicken like

1:24:01shavings and with the [ __ ] all over it

1:24:03and put it in the bag and then take the

1:24:04bag to the trash yourself.

1:24:06>> Right, you don't pet the pig, you just

1:24:07eat the pork.

1:24:08>> That's exactly right. That's exactly

1:24:11right. And you go, no, I don't want to I

1:24:13don't want that. I don't want that. And

1:24:16then people do that.

1:24:18Then they start thinking, oh, that's

1:24:19what I got to do as a famous actor. I

1:24:21got to

1:24:22>> I got to overreact. I got to just eat

1:24:23the pork.

1:24:24>> Mhm.

1:24:25>> [ __ ] the pig. I don't even want to see

1:24:27the pig.

1:24:28I'm hungry.

1:24:30You know, can you go do that thing that

1:24:32you do to prepare my

1:24:33>> Yeah.

1:24:34>> You know what I mean? And I just don't

1:24:36want to do that, especially in my

1:24:37profession because I like your

1:24:39profession, you're a mirror.

1:24:41You throw [ __ ] back in people's face and

1:24:44they can laugh at it.

1:24:44>> Mhm.

1:24:45>> They can laugh at their foibles.

1:24:47They can laugh at their, you know, how

1:24:50absurd we are.

1:24:52And the [ __ ] that we say and the stuff

1:24:53that we do. And I think that actors do

1:24:55the same thing in story.

1:24:57>> Oh, yeah.

1:24:58>> You know what I mean?

1:24:59>> Yeah, when you see an actor do something

1:25:01that you just can't and they

1:25:03or a scene that does something that you

1:25:05can't even

1:25:07>> You don't even know why you're crying.

1:25:09You don't know why you're laughing.

1:25:11>> Yeah.

1:25:12>> You ever done that thing where you're

1:25:13watching a movie and you're like cry

1:25:15laughing? You're like, so I'm moved but

1:25:18at the same time it's

1:25:19>> Family Man.

1:25:21>> Like Family Man?

1:25:22>> Yeah.

1:25:22>> Really?

1:25:23>> Have you seen that with Nicolas Cage and

1:25:24Tea Leoni?

1:25:25>> Yeah. That's old school.

1:25:28That's old school. You love that movie.

1:25:30>> I love it.

1:25:30>> Yeah, it's good. See, everybody has

1:25:33their thing.

1:25:34>> I love that movie.

1:25:34>> That's why you can't say like thrash and

1:25:36ew. You're like, I don't know.

1:25:38>> I'm going to go watch that.

1:25:40>> And we have those movies, they have

1:25:41those books, we have those movies, we

1:25:43have those Seeing Eddie Murphy for the

1:25:46first time. I remember when I was in my

1:25:48room in Santa Barbara and I had this

1:25:49little TV, this little [ __ ] with the

1:25:52with the with the antenna.

1:25:54>> Oh, yeah.

1:25:54>> You know? And I'm watching, what was it?

1:25:56Delirious?

1:25:57>> Mhm.

1:25:58>> For the first time, I'm like, what the

1:26:00[ __ ] [sighs]

1:26:01>> Oh, yeah.

1:26:02>> This is amazing.

1:26:04>> Oh, yeah. Felt like something new, like

1:26:05you couldn't even get into the world.

1:26:07Dude, my we had

1:26:09My we had a TV like that and I would

1:26:11step and watch stuff sometimes and my

1:26:12brother would be like, turn off the

1:26:13[ __ ] TV.

1:26:15>> [laughter]

1:26:15>> Or I'll [ __ ] hide your legs and your

1:26:17[ __ ] Right, he would say stuff like

1:26:18that cuz he was creative.

1:26:20But then, here's what he would happen,

1:26:22dude. This is what he would do to me.

1:26:23He'd be like, "Art, you can watch it,

1:26:24but you have to [ __ ] keep your eyes

1:26:26closed, dude." And he'd be like So he

1:26:28So, dude, I would

1:26:29>> More creative.

1:26:30>> Crazy. So, I'd have to have the volume

1:26:31on the lowest thing as possible. I would

1:26:34be this close to the [ __ ] [laughter]

1:26:36Yeah, dude.

1:26:38Watching a [ __ ] program while he

1:26:40[ __ ] tells

1:26:41>> Older brother? Yes, of course.

1:26:43>> While he tells me he's awake, but really

1:26:44he had [ __ ] dozed off in a second

1:26:47later, but I couldn't tell because he

1:26:48was like it was dark in there.

1:26:50>> [snorts]

1:26:51>> That's hilarious.

1:26:52>> [ __ ] stuff like that was so good.

1:26:54>> Louisiana. Yeah, stuff like that is so

1:26:56good. You look back on it. You're like,

1:26:58that was That was a good time. That

1:26:59wasn't a bad time.

1:27:00>> We're [ __ ] We were We were making

1:27:02stories. At least like even though I was

1:27:05like, I don't know.

1:27:07There were parts of me that had to come

1:27:08alive so early, I think, cuz it's things

1:27:10were so uncomfortable and I'm glad I

1:27:11think I'm glad that they were alive. It

1:27:13took me kind of a long time to get

1:27:14there.

1:27:14>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:27:15>> And I had a lot of resent-

1:27:17I'm 46.

1:27:18>> Yeah.

1:27:18>> So, I'm almost

1:27:19I'm almost your age, but getting close,

1:27:22though.

1:27:22>> years?

1:27:23>> You're 12 years older than me?

1:27:24>> Yeah.

1:27:25>> God.

1:27:26>> Yeah, I did.

1:27:26>> You [ __ ] look good. You know, and I

1:27:29wish you were Yeah, boy, chill, bro. I

1:27:31wish you were a freaking woman.

1:27:37And I don't even know what that means,

1:27:38dude. I got to get some help.

1:27:39>> just stop it there.

1:27:40>> I don't [laughter] know. We're almost

1:27:41We're almost done.

1:27:42>> a woman.

1:27:43>> We're almost

1:27:43>> Thank you for joining us.

1:27:45This is the Theo Von podcast.

1:27:47>> Um I do want to talk about one thing. I

1:27:49want to talk about

1:27:51Like So, I'm going through the steps

1:27:52again right now.

1:27:53>> Yeah, right on.

1:27:54>> With my sponsor.

1:27:54>> Yeah.

1:27:55>> And um did you

1:27:57Like I was just thinking about

1:27:58resentments. Did you ever have yourself

1:28:00as a resentment?

1:28:01>> Of course.

1:28:03Oh my god, probably the biggest one.

1:28:05>> That's crazy, dude.

1:28:06>> Yeah, why? That's come That's

1:28:07>> That's come up for me.

1:28:09Yeah. I And somebody said something to

1:28:11me in the other day, dude, and I they

1:28:12said um

1:28:14I'm unacceptable to myself.

1:28:16>> Yeah.

1:28:17>> And I I had never heard those words

1:28:19before.

1:28:19>> Yeah.

1:28:20>> And it was like, man, that's a lot of

1:28:23And I'm not in self-pity. I'm just

1:28:24looking at it.

1:28:25>> no, just looking at it.

1:28:26>> Yeah. But I'm like, dude, that is what a

1:28:28lot of like

1:28:29>> Self-loathing.

1:28:30>> I just it gets like I'm unacceptable to

1:28:32myself.

1:28:33>> Yeah, but that you know, not

1:28:35>> Interesting.

1:28:35>> It's super interesting and I heard and I

1:28:37and I've told this story before, but

1:28:39I'll tell you a story that I loved and

1:28:40it shifted something in me.

1:28:42And Tony Hopkins told me this story,

1:28:44right?

1:28:45>> Mhm.

1:28:46>> Who very proudly wears his sobriety on

1:28:48his sleeve and talks about it and will

1:28:51be on Instagram or whatever, which I

1:28:52love that Tony Hopkins is on Instagram.

1:28:55That's [laughter] [ __ ] great. Yeah,

1:28:56he just he loves like it's not even

1:28:59like, you know, Instagram is this thing

1:29:01where you're trying to project some

1:29:02image and that people believe. He didn't

1:29:04give a [ __ ]

1:29:05>> Yeah.

1:29:06>> He's just like, this is me.

1:29:07>> Oh, I got to see him.

1:29:08>> now he's just like wrote all these

1:29:09songs. Like now he's not even focused on

1:29:11acting. He's like doing these

1:29:12compositions.

1:29:14And these Philharmonics are doing his

1:29:16music. It's it's just the coolest human

1:29:18being ever, but he told me

1:29:20he was like, how great is it that we're

1:29:22like this? And I go, what's that mean?

1:29:25He was like, we're just alcoholic. We're

1:29:26just angry and we're edgy and we're just

1:29:28dark.

1:29:29And I was like, is that a good thing? Is

1:29:32that like I've always been I like always

1:29:33perceived that as like, yeah, that's

1:29:35shitty. And he goes

1:29:36And he goes, no, because given

1:29:39no direction and no tools, we create

1:29:42more harm and hurt than normal people,

1:29:45than most people.

1:29:47But given a few tools, we can have a

1:29:48bigger impact than most people.

1:29:52Given that we have the drive, that we

1:29:54have the motor. We have the motor of

1:29:57alcoholics. I'm like, [ __ ] yeah.

1:30:01>> [laughter]

1:30:02>> But I heard that and I thought this is

1:30:04an 80-year-old guy telling me this [ __ ]

1:30:07You're that's it.

1:30:09>> And he's British as well.

1:30:11>> [laughter]

1:30:11>> What does that mean?

1:30:12>> It just means he was [ __ ] raised with

1:30:14a [ __ ] eating Cadbury eggs and

1:30:16everything over there.

1:30:17>> Welsh.

1:30:18>> He's Welsh?

1:30:19>> He's Welsh. Like like Richard Burton.

1:30:22Which the Welsh are different.

1:30:24>> Are they?

1:30:24>> Welsh are darker.

1:30:25>> Are they?

1:30:26>> Yeah, man.

1:30:26>> Oh, that's good.

1:30:27>> They're like great poets. Dylan Thomas

1:30:29was Welsh.

1:30:30>> to study up on them.

1:30:31>> Yeah, man. I'll send you a couple books.

1:30:32I'm going to send you my book.

1:30:34>> Will you?

1:30:34>> Yeah, of course of course I will.

1:30:36>> Great.

1:30:36>> I want you to see

1:30:37>> We'll put it on our shelf, dude.

1:30:38>> Okay, good.

1:30:38>> Um

1:30:39on that note, I do want to say I I read

1:30:41somewhere that you were friends with

1:30:42Cormac McCarthy or you that you knew

1:30:43him.

1:30:44>> Yeah.

1:30:45Yeah. I was with him the night he died.

1:30:47>> No way, dude.

1:30:48>> Yeah, it was me, his son, his ex-wife,

1:30:51and him.

1:30:51>> Did he live in Tennessee?

1:30:53>> No, he lived in Santa Fe, New Mexico,

1:30:55and I was there working. I was doing a

1:30:56series. And I would come in and see him

1:30:59and at his house. I have I have his

1:31:01typewriter. I have his pool table.

1:31:03>> Wow.

1:31:04>> [ __ ] that he gave me after, you know.

1:31:07It's cool.

1:31:08It's cool. He was a good dude. I like

1:31:10the hard guys.

1:31:11>> Yeah.

1:31:12>> I like the I like the guys that like you

1:31:14you think that like Cormac and the [ __ ]

1:31:16that he wrote is so severe and so, you

1:31:19know,

1:31:20but then he was the nicest guy and he's

1:31:22so smart. He's so smart. 20,000 books he

1:31:25left.

1:31:26>> Wow.

1:31:27>> Um when he died and they were archiving

1:31:29his books and he would have he had like

1:31:31a thousand books on math.

1:31:34Or a thousand or or 300 books on whales.

1:31:37You're like, "Oh, you're a freak." I

1:31:39love that. Talk about not being defined.

1:31:42And plus, that's another guy which I

1:31:44think there was a parallel even though

1:31:46we didn't talk about it is that the

1:31:48first and tell all the pretty horses

1:31:50which I think is his sixth novel or his

1:31:52seventh

1:31:53that people had maybe bought maybe 1,200

1:31:56books of each novel. So, nobody bought

1:31:59his [ __ ]

1:32:00>> Wow.

1:32:01>> And he kept going.

1:32:03And it's kind of like me as an actor.

1:32:05Like, yeah, I started with The Goonies,

1:32:06which was cool, but then after that it

1:32:08was just downhill.

1:32:09>> Nobody bought my [ __ ]

1:32:10>> Nobody cared.

1:32:11>> [laughter]

1:32:11>> Nobody cared.

1:32:12>> I was singing Shirley Temple.

1:32:13>> Yeah, you were Exactly. That's what I

1:32:15mean.

1:32:16>> For free near windows that wouldn't

1:32:17open.

1:32:18>> Dude, like now you're 46 and things are

1:32:20good, you know? It's great.

1:32:22>> sometimes I can't believe God's grace in

1:32:24my life even just in little moments, you

1:32:25know? And when I'm in that space, it's

1:32:27just everything's

1:32:29>> [sighs]

1:32:29[gasps]

1:32:30>> feels okay.

1:32:31>> I like what you said earlier, what you

1:32:32just like everything's an experiment. As

1:32:34long as I'm malleable, I'm like wet clay

1:32:36and I'm like, yeah, good. Oh, that's

1:32:38interesting. Oh, look at that. That's

1:32:40cool.

1:32:40>> Yeah.

1:32:41>> Yeah. Not like this. [clears throat] Not

1:32:42contracting and not like

1:32:45that.

1:32:46You know? Just like, ah, that's

1:32:47interesting. It's just like it's all

1:32:49kind of fascinating.

1:32:51Going [snorts] to UFC is fascinating.

1:32:52Getting up and trying to make people

1:32:54laugh is fascinating. Doing a movie and

1:32:56trying to make it work is fascinating.

1:32:58>> Yeah, dude, it's so true.

1:33:00>> human [ __ ]

1:33:01>> Yeah. Yesterday I had to do a solo

1:33:03episode of a podcast and I was so scared

1:33:04and then I was like, dude, I'm going to

1:33:06have Let me remember why I started this.

1:33:09I can Let me go and try to have some

1:33:11fun. Yeah. Instead of [ __ ] live in

1:33:13this whatever cage I'm [ __ ] always

1:33:15over here welding these [ __ ] bars and

1:33:18screaming through them.

1:33:24>> That's cool. You did an episode by

1:33:26yourself?

1:33:27>> Yeah, we started this podcast and we did

1:33:28the first 100 episodes of just me by

1:33:29myself talking and then we started

1:33:31having on and stuff like that.

1:33:32>> Oh, I didn't know that.

1:33:33>> Yeah. It was fun.

1:33:35Um, it's been a good journey, dude. Um,

1:33:37it's interesting you had all those books

1:33:38on whales and you ended up and your new

1:33:40project is called Whale Fall.

1:33:42>> And I got super inspired by that and

1:33:44then I wrote a new story that we're

1:33:45going to do in January called The

1:33:47Fisherman. And then after that, which is

1:33:49like this is full circle with the rat,

1:33:51then uh, Jeremy Renner and I, there's a

1:33:54story that's a true story that took

1:33:56place in

1:33:58uh, Montauk about a guy two guys that

1:34:00went out on a boat fishing in this

1:34:02Montauk fishing community. One guy fell

1:34:05asleep one dude fell off the boat.

1:34:07And this guy was looking for this guy

1:34:09for 12 and a half hours and this dude

1:34:11was just like a rat waiting in the

1:34:13water. No way he was going to survive.

1:34:15No way he was going to be found. It was

1:34:17like a 200 mile you know this radius and

1:34:21you just like there's no way you're

1:34:22going to find the dude. And he had no

1:34:24floating device. He had no nothing.

1:34:26>> Dang.

1:34:27>> And he survived.

1:34:28>> [ __ ]

1:34:29>> Like a rat.

1:34:30>> Yeah.

1:34:30>> 12 and a half hours of swimming in place

1:34:33until he was found right at the last

1:34:35second. He probably with sharks

1:34:36surrounded by sharks.

1:34:39So I'm going to be the I'm going to be

1:34:40the rat.

1:34:42And Jeremy's going to be the guy looking

1:34:44for me.

1:34:44>> Dude, much easier job Renner has. I'll

1:34:47say that, bro.

1:34:48Taking the easy one. This guy.

1:34:51>> I'll do it with Brolin.

1:34:53That sounds fun.

1:34:54>> You [ __ ] soaking wet every set?

1:34:57>> Yeah. I like the whale stuff though. I

1:34:58like like look.

1:35:02>> Wow.

1:35:04That's a lighthouse.

1:35:06>> That's the nautical [ __ ]

1:35:07>> Did you get that done after that?

1:35:09>> I did.

1:35:10>> Let's go.

1:35:12>> I did.

1:35:13>> You it meant that much?

1:35:14>> it it meant that much and it was a guy

1:35:16who had passed that it was his honor.

1:35:18>> You already showed it once.

1:35:19>> It was his in his honor.

1:35:21>> I'm looking at the art. So I'm not

1:35:22looking at your body.

1:35:25Okay, now you're making it different.

1:35:29Oh, dude, that's cool, bro.

1:35:31>> I mean it just is what it is and I don't

1:35:32have to look at it. Everybody else has

1:35:34to look at it. But I know I'm carrying

1:35:36it. That's all I give a [ __ ] about.

1:35:38>> Yeah.

1:35:38>> It's a good reminder for me. And there's

1:35:40a great word arete. It's a Greek word

1:35:42that this guy gave me and it means

1:35:44excellence in everything that you do.

1:35:46>> Mhm.

1:35:47>> And then the five birds in my family.

1:35:50So that's cool.

1:35:51>> That's a family craft.

1:35:51>> Experiment it. Experimenting, that's it.

1:35:54Why get a tattoo? I don't know. Why the

1:35:56[ __ ] not?

1:35:57>> Yeah.

1:35:58>> I don't have I mean, I have these, but I

1:36:00don't really have it. I had all my

1:36:01tattoos removed you know, when I was 30.

1:36:04Yeah. Didn't need them anymore. And then

1:36:07this one came and sure, why not?

1:36:10Do it.

1:36:12>> Yeah.

1:36:12>> Experiment, man.

1:36:13>> I love it. Um

1:36:15>> Nice spending time, bro.

1:36:16>> You too, dude. Nice to get to catch up.

1:36:18Nice to get to say hello and to spend

1:36:19some time together, man. I've heard you

1:36:21speak before.

1:36:23Uh yeah, I think it was at Bread and

1:36:24Roses. Yeah.

1:36:25>> Right on. And we know Elijah.

1:36:27>> Yeah, we know Elijah, dude. He's such a

1:36:28sweet guy.

1:36:29>> He is a sweet guy.

1:36:30>> to check in with him. I'll send I'll

1:36:32send I'll text him a picture of us when

1:36:33we're done.

1:36:33>> Yeah, good.

1:36:34>> But yeah, thanks so much, Josh. Thanks

1:36:36for uh just being a creative. Thanks for

1:36:37sticking with your art. Uh that's cool

1:36:39because now you can tell stories that

1:36:41are going to inspire the rest of us.

1:36:42Thanks for telling me about Whale Fall

1:36:43and just that it meant something to you

1:36:45because um yeah, sometimes it's like you

1:36:47don't know who else um is looking for

1:36:48that little piece of connection between

1:36:50like or or something about a father and

1:36:52a son and they're going to hear about

1:36:53that and and that might be something for

1:36:55them. So,

1:36:55>> Exactly.

1:36:56>> Yeah, getting out here today to be a

1:36:57bridge uh for little moments. Um that's

1:37:00pretty cool.

1:37:00>> Yeah.

1:37:01>> So,

1:37:02Josh Brolin, thank you so much, man.

1:37:04>> Thank you, brother.

1:37:04>> Yep.

1:37:05>> Much love.

1:37:06>> Now, I'm just floating on the breeze and

1:37:09I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

1:37:11[music] I must be

1:37:13cornerstone.

1:37:16Oh, but when I reach that ground,

1:37:19[music] I'll share this [singing] piece

1:37:21of mind I found. I can feel it

1:37:24in my bones.

1:37:27But it's going to take

1:37:30a little