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0:14 >> Thank you. My man brought 18year-old.
0:19 >> That's good.
0:20 >> Woo. That's the real deal. 18year-old
0:23 single malt scotch whiskey.
0:26 >> That's smoky.
0:27 >> Delicious.
0:28 >> That is smoky. I had a this is a true
0:30 story. I had a deal set up for a a
0:34 whiskey deal like they wanted to do, you
0:36 know, they do these things like with
0:37 celebrities and I was like, "Well, we
0:39 got a lot of money. I guess I could do
0:41 it. All right, let's do it." And so they
0:44 said that they could help me like design
0:46 the whiskey. I'm like, "Oh, that'd be
0:47 really cool." So, at first I wanted to
0:49 do it with Buffalo Trace, but Buffalo
0:51 Trace was like, "Look, we love you, but
0:52 the reality is our whiskey takes like
0:55 eight years in a barrel, period. M like
0:57 this. This the only way they do it.
0:59 Like, oh, that makes sense. That's why
1:01 it's so good. Okay, that makes sense.
1:03 So, I tried this whiskey and I was like,
1:05 "Ah, it's pretty good. It's pretty
1:06 good." I tried gave it to my friends
1:07 like, "It's pretty good." And then I
1:09 [ __ ] up and I had some 18-year-old
1:12 scotch and it was so good. I'm like, "I
1:15 can't lie. If if I'll say this is my
1:18 favorite whiskey, but that will be a lie
1:20 cuz this is so much better.
1:23 >> This is There's no substitute for time.
1:26 No,
1:26 >> there's no substitute for time in those
1:28 barrels.
1:29 >> That tastes like Scotland as well,
1:30 doesn't it?
1:31 >> I remember one of the writers when I was
1:33 on news radio, he exposed me to this
1:35 stuff. He said, "Uh, do you like
1:36 whiskey?" I'm like, "It's okay. It's
1:38 kind of nasty. You just do it to get a
1:39 buzz, right?" He's like, "No, no, no.
1:41 You got to like He was like very
1:42 specific. You have like a a large cube
1:44 of ice and he's like, "Come on, let me
1:46 buy you a It's like a $200 whiskey." I'm
1:48 like, "What? $200 for a [ __ ] glass?"
1:50 He's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trust me,
1:51 trust me." And so he bought me this
1:53 glass. I was like, "Oh,
1:56 oh, okay."
1:56 >> It was £200.
1:58 >> It's a different thing.
1:59 >> It's a different thing. If you drink a
2:01 20-year-old whiskey, it's a very
2:04 different thing. So, it cost me who
2:05 knows how much money
2:07 >> cuz I I got to get out of the deal. And
2:08 they're like, "What?" And I was like, "I
2:11 can't." No. Like, I can't lie. I can't
2:13 lie and say this is my favorite.
2:15 >> I respect that. I respect that.
2:16 >> I can't I could if I was poor. Look, if
2:18 I was broke, I could lie, but I'm I have
2:21 a lot of money, so I'm like, I'm not
2:22 lying
2:22 >> to the sanctity of whiskey.
2:24 >> Because this is there's they figured it
2:26 out. Like the Irish and the Scotch the
2:30 Scots, they figured it out
2:31 >> in Scotland. This is like a religious
2:34 thing.
2:35 >> Yeah, for sure.
2:36 >> They don't [ __ ] around.
2:37 >> For sure.
2:37 >> You get some really old Scotch, man.
2:40 Really old Scotch whiskey has a very
2:42 distinct taste
2:44 >> and they're willing to wait [ __ ] 18
2:46 years to get that taste. That's crazy.
2:49 >> M
2:51 That just reminds me of Scotland.
2:52 >> We had to stop the podcast before the
2:54 podcast even started cuz we were talking
2:55 about so much cool [ __ ] I'm like, I'm
2:57 going to leave the room
2:59 >> cuz uh I don't want us to miss any of
3:01 this. So, first of all, you were telling
3:03 me you swam around the you 60 hours in
3:07 Loch Ness.
3:08 >> Yeah. Speaking of Scotland.
3:09 >> Oh, cuz we This is strange cuz obviously
3:11 it was seven years ago now when we
3:13 caught up when I swam around Great
3:14 Britain and then since then
3:16 >> that was seven years ago. weird, right?
3:18 Wow. Right. And then and then now I've
3:20 just been on this kind of strange career
3:22 trajectory, if you can call it a career
3:23 in inverted commas. So, we did yet a 60
3:25 hour uh non-stop swim in Loch Ness. Um
3:28 was going well. So, it was all for ocean
3:30 conservation. We raised so much money.
3:31 It was amazing. Um it was going well up
3:33 until the 60 hour point. Started
3:35 hallucinating, started seeing things.
3:37 Basically, the only way I can describe
3:38 it is um uh you like you're looking
3:40 through the eye of a needle. It's just
3:42 getting smaller and smaller and smaller.
3:43 And then it just went completely black.
3:44 Just went completely dark.
3:45 >> Did you black out? Yeah. Blacked out.
3:47 Basically, it was hypothermia mixed with
3:49 cellulitis. So, cellulitis is a skin
3:52 infection. Exactly. Exactly. From the
3:54 wet suit that was just getting to my
3:55 blood.
3:56 >> God. You had a staff infection and at
3:58 the same time you were hypothermic
4:00 >> and at the same time you've been up for
4:02 3 days.
4:02 >> Yeah. It's exactly. It was a bad place
4:04 to be, Joe. It was a bad place.
4:06 >> That's so crazy. 60 hours of swimming is
4:09 so insane. 60 hours of running is
4:12 insane. But you could stop running and
4:14 take a nap. You know what I'm saying?
4:16 >> It was so bad with the Loch Ness
4:17 monster. It was bad. It was bad.
4:19 >> Do you think that's real?
4:20 >> Um I mean something touched my leg when
4:22 I was in
4:23 >> But you were hallucinating.
4:25 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's true. I'm not the
4:26 best person to ask, but exactly what you
4:28 just said there. It was strange cuz my
4:30 skin was on fire from the cellulitis,
4:32 but then I could feel in my bones. I was
4:34 getting so cold.
4:36 >> Anyway, long story short, God,
4:37 >> blacked out. I woke up and um just Oh,
4:40 there we go. Yeah.
4:42 >> Yeah. Oh, there you go. Yeah. It's all
4:43 over your back and your neck.
4:46 >> Oh, so you just ridden with staff
4:47 infection.
4:48 >> Yeah, that's how bad it was.
4:50 >> Oh, that's horrible.
4:52 >> And I think it was it was that coupled
4:53 with the hypothermia. So, this is going
4:54 to sound so strange, but but it went
4:55 completely black. I remember waking up
4:57 and then I was in the hospital.
4:58 >> So, did they have to scoop you out of
5:00 the water?
5:00 >> Yeah. Yeah.
5:01 >> How do they do you have someone beside
5:03 you like with a net like?
5:04 >> Yeah, we had we had a team. They were
5:06 amazing. They scooped me up. I look, I
5:08 basically open my eyes, the next thing I
5:09 know, I see my mom and my girlfriend at
5:10 the head of the the hospital bed and I
5:12 just went, "Oh, it's not gone well, has
5:14 it?" And they were like, "Ross, no, it's
5:15 not going."
5:16 >> You woke up in the hospital room.
5:17 >> Yeah.
5:18 >> Wow. So, the entire transport to the
5:20 hospital, you were out cold.
5:21 >> Yeah. Yeah.
5:22 >> How long were you out cold for?
5:23 >> They think about 13 hours. Yeah. I was
5:25 sort of
5:25 >> You were out cold for 13 hours.
5:27 >> Coming in and out of I don't I don't say
5:28 it proudly. Sort of coming in and out of
5:30 consciousness. cuz I still sort of
5:31 remember little bits but then like I
5:32 said the main thing was just being there
5:34 with my mom and my girlfriend and they
5:36 were just they looked disappointed. I
5:37 was like I'm so sorry. So so from there
5:40 what's interesting a year later uh in
5:43 Lake Tresamino in Italy um we did
5:45 another swim for charity. It was
5:46 amazing. Everything was organized but
5:48 because of Italian bureaucracy they said
5:50 you have to do it on this particular
5:52 day. Um getting into the water it was
5:54 36° and I don't know what that is in
5:57 Fahrenheit but hot. It was a bath
5:59 basically. We got caught in a heat wave.
6:01 So going in there, um, I had hypothermia
6:04 before. Now I have hypothermia. It's a
6:06 heat stroke. Um, we
6:08 >> So you're like swimming in a hot bath
6:10 >> basically.
6:10 >> What is 36° in Fahrenheit? Is that like
6:13 90°?
6:14 >> Yeah. 96.8. Yeah.
6:16 >> 96. Holy [ __ ] That's crazy. What is
6:19 there a [ __ ] volcano under there?
6:21 >> This is it. That's nuts.
6:22 >> So they said it was the hottest month
6:23 ever recorded in Italy. I got caught in
6:25 this.
6:26 >> It's got to kill fish. No.
6:28 >> Yeah, it was. I was swimming past fish
6:29 that had been boiled alive.
6:31 >> Oh my god. By the way, go back to that
6:34 picture of him.
6:35 >> Jacked.
6:36 >> Jacked, son.
6:38 >> That was after I saw.
6:39 >> He looked like the real live Wolverine
6:41 in that picture.
6:42 >> It's like if Marvel comics if Wolverine
6:44 That's what it looked like.
6:45 >> You can see the chafing on my shoulder
6:47 there. But no cellulitis thankfully.
6:49 >> Thank Thank god. So this is um
6:51 >> that was Iceland. Yeah.
6:53 >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think what's
6:53 interesting, so
6:54 >> why did you why do you think you got
6:56 cellulitis from the water in Scotland,
6:59 >> they think cuz it was fresh water,
7:01 >> right? Yeah. Yes,
7:02 >> that makes sense.
7:02 >> The swim around ice just as bad. It was
7:06 so bad. But equally, you just got salt
7:08 water,
7:09 >> right? But it's it's not doesn't have
7:11 the bacteria content
7:12 >> is exactly it. Yeah.
7:13 >> Wow.
7:15 Of course. But boy, fresh water's nasty.
7:17 >> Yeah,
7:18 >> it's nasty. But especially at well it
7:20 wasn't 96° but if it was imagine that.
7:23 >> Yeah.
7:23 >> Well I think what was interesting is is
7:25 from then trusting me. So I got rabbi
7:27 myis uh there. So that's just muscle
7:29 breakdown basically.
7:29 >> You got robbed though too?
7:31 >> Bad. Yeah. Really bad.
7:32 >> Wait a minute. In Iceland or in
7:34 Scotland?
7:34 >> Well certainly in Iceland but but in
7:36 Italy. Yes. So I had hypothermia and
7:38 cellulitis in Loch Ness. Fast forward a
7:40 year then I got rabbiis and heat stroke
7:42 in Italy. What's what's so strange
7:44 though, and this is I'm aware this
7:46 sounds a little bit twisted, but as a
7:48 sports scientist and obviously
7:49 researched the theory and philosophy of
7:51 all this, whereas actually subjecting my
7:53 body to it, I was like, "Oh, cool." You
7:55 know, this is what hypothermia feels
7:57 like. And it was the same with
7:58 rabdomiis. So, so basically sitting here
8:00 right now just chilling, you know, not
8:02 been trained or anything like that. Ah,
8:03 creatine kynise. So, that's an enzyme
8:05 that's responsible for muscle breakdown.
8:07 Um, so when it's in your muscles,
8:08 basically in your in your blood, it says
8:11 there's been some muscle breakdown.
8:12 Sitting here right now, it might be
8:13 about 80. If we had a hard workout,
8:16 maybe 300. If you run a marathon, 1,000.
8:19 If you run an ultramarathon, maybe
8:21 getting up to 4,000, 5,000. At 10,000,
8:25 your creatine kynise, they are rushing
8:27 you to a hospital. At that point,
8:30 they're really worried about your
8:31 kidneys that are just working overtime
8:32 to try to filter it out. They said,
8:34 Ross, yours is at 19,000, which is so
8:37 weird for a sport where you are
8:40 suspended in water. It's not even
8:41 weightbearing. You shouldn't have this
8:43 amount of muscle breakdown. So, I think
8:45 thankfully my kidneys did an amazing
8:47 job. Shout out to my kidneys. Filled me
8:48 out and got me out of the hospital in a
8:50 few days. But I think what's so strange
8:52 is that sort of a career then led me to
8:55 swim around Iceland where I just knew
8:58 what rabdomiolyis, hypothermia,
9:00 cellulitis. I knew what all of those
9:02 things were. So, as a result, I kind of
9:04 turned up in Iceland as this kind of
9:07 bulletproof
9:09 swimmer who was like, "Oh, it doesn't
9:11 matter what it's going to throw at me,
9:12 I'm going to understand."
9:13 >> Oh my god, dude. That is insane.
9:16 >> And then we swam 1,000 miles around
9:18 Iceland, which was amazing.
9:19 >> When you were getting the hypothermia,
9:21 they say that before people die, they
9:23 get hot and they want to take their
9:24 clothes off. Did you have that feeling?
9:26 >> Exactly that. But I think part of that
9:27 was the cellulitis as well cuz my skin
9:29 felt like it was on fire but then
9:31 equally at the same time like I could
9:32 just I was shivering with my internal
9:34 organs. It's a strange position.
9:36 >> Did you take into consideration the
9:37 possibility of cellulitis before you got
9:39 into that fresh water? Did you know
9:40 about it?
9:41 >> No. No. I became an expert afterwards.
9:46 >> I would want to research like like throw
9:48 it in perplexity like what are the cons?
9:50 What's the worst thing that can happen
9:52 here in the water? What are the physical
9:54 dangers I have to worry about with fresh
9:55 water versus salt water?
9:57 >> Yeah.
9:57 >> Is the lock monster real?
10:00 >> Should have researched that. I think
10:01 what's weird and I'm glad we started,
10:03 you know, our catch up like this because
10:04 I think so often people go, why do you
10:06 do it? But I think now looking at the
10:08 anthropology of as humans, the history
10:10 of as humans across different cultures,
10:12 different countries, we've always been
10:14 doing this idea of self-discipline for
10:16 self-discovery.
10:17 >> Yeah. You know, you look at the the
10:19 marathon monks of Japan, for instance,
10:21 um over seven years, over a thousand
10:22 days, we'll almost do a marathon a day.
10:25 Um
10:25 >> those guys in Mexico from the Born to
10:27 Run book.
10:28 >> Exactly. Tamar or whatever. Yeah.
10:30 >> Yeah. They just they run either barefoot
10:32 or with small homemade shoes they make
10:34 from rubber tires and [ __ ] Exactly.
10:36 >> They make like sandals out of like
10:38 retreaded tires.
10:40 >> Exactly. I mean, it's weird as well like
10:42 even going back further as well. So I
10:43 ended up doing a documentary ages ago.
10:45 So 20 years ago now did Iraaska for a
10:49 week in the Amazon jungle with the
10:50 Jamanawa tribe. At the end of this week
10:53 as part of the initiation into manhood
10:55 um we basically then this is such a
10:57 random story but we they they kill the
11:00 snake and you have to bite the tongue
11:03 out of the snake. Pass. Hard pass. I'd
11:06 rather be a boy forever. [ __ ] you. You
11:09 can't tell me I have to eat a snake's
11:11 tongue to be a man. Next thing you know,
11:13 you got to suck a pig's dick. If you
11:15 don't suck that pig's dick, you're not a
11:16 real man.
11:18 >> Says who? Says some [ __ ] guy in the
11:21 jungle who doesn't even have Starlink.
11:23 [ __ ] you. [ __ ] you, buddy. How about you
11:25 get a pair of Nikes?
11:26 >> You don't even have shoes, you [ __ ]
11:28 idiot.
11:29 >> I was young and impressionable. I didn't
11:30 question it, so I did it. I bit the
11:32 tongue, Joe. I bit the tongue.
11:34 >> I would have bit the tongue, too. I'm
11:35 just [ __ ] around. I would have
11:36 definitely bit that tongue, especially
11:38 if they brought me in and put face paint
11:40 on me and [ __ ] That was it. I was
11:42 caught up in the moment. I was caught up
11:43 in the moment. I'm like, we all do.
11:46 >> I got sidetracked when I was looking up
11:48 people biting tongues of snakes.
11:49 >> Men get high from cobra bite on tongue.
11:52 >> It says they got high for at least a
11:53 month.
11:55 >> Oh my god. How' you hate your life so
11:57 much? You sign up to get high for a
11:59 month by getting bit on the tongue by a
12:01 cobra. Like [ __ ] take me away. This
12:03 job sucks. I just want to be high.
12:07 >> We've all done things we regret. You
12:09 know, you
12:10 >> Yeah, but that's off the charts. Getting
12:12 bit on the tongue by a cobra. I'd be
12:14 like, is there a way? Can I just grab
12:16 the cobra venom and put it on a [ __ ]
12:18 Q-tip?
12:19 >> Oh, hold on. Maybe a little better. It's
12:21 after the astrologers's nightmare
12:23 advice, they did it.
12:24 >> Oh, after astrologers nightmare advice.
12:27 >> This might be a different story.
12:28 >> Well, that's a different snake, too,
12:30 isn't that?
12:31 >> Performing a ritual. That was probably
12:32 the what I was doing. Yeah. Telly sniped
12:34 by bit a man's tongue after an
12:36 astrologer told him that performing a
12:38 ritual with the serpent would stop his
12:39 nightmares.
12:41 >> That that is essentially what I did.
12:43 >> Bro, where's that guy from? Say that say
12:45 that name.
12:46 >> Ross, you got it. Go for it.
12:48 >> Goido Palium.
12:50 >> That might be accurate. That's pretty
12:52 goddamn good. That's a real world
12:54 traveler, ladies and gentlemen. That's
12:56 how they pronounce things. They roll
12:57 their Rs and [ __ ] Can you put that back
12:59 up, please? That was nuts.
13:01 >> This is crazy.
13:02 >> So, this is the thing. So, so he wasn't
13:03 lying.
13:04 >> So, this is a different snake. This is
13:05 the Russell's viper. One of the most
13:07 common snakes to inflict bites on people
13:09 in India. During the ritual, the man
13:11 mimicked the snake's tongue flickering
13:13 movements, which is when the incredibly
13:15 deadly snake bit him on the tongue. Yo.
13:20 After the snake bit the man, the priest
13:22 attempted to make a cut in his tongue
13:23 using a knife, which only worsened the
13:26 pain. Shocker.
13:28 I thought that would have fixed
13:29 everything. The venom from the Russell's
13:31 Viper usually causes cardiovascular
13:34 complications, heostatic abnormalities,
13:37 renal failure, and is renal failure.
13:40 What is that?
13:40 >> Uh, essentially, I think it's the
13:42 kidneys basically no longer doing their
13:43 job shutting down. So, internal organs
13:44 just go.
13:45 >> So, like Rabbdo,
13:46 >> very similar. Those who are bitten need
13:48 treatment immediately. The man was
13:50 rushed to a nearby medical center. Jesus
13:51 Christ. Did that guy even get high?
13:54 >> This was not This was in the same uh
13:56 >> surgery was performed probably for the
13:58 cut on his tongue. Like who the [ __ ] did
14:00 you let cut your tongue dude?
14:01 >> Also in India they get high off of this.
14:03 So it's a
14:05 sidebyside story there. So this is the
14:07 same snake or the cobra.
14:08 >> Different different different
14:11 loads of people doing it. So this see
14:12 this makes me feel better.
14:14 >> But here's my question. It does make me
14:15 feel better too. But here's my question.
14:18 What is the venom? Like can't you just
14:20 rub it on your tongue? Can't you put it
14:21 on like a spatula or some [ __ ]
14:23 >> There you go.
14:24 >> Oh boy, fella. Why?
14:27 >> No. No. I I didn't do that. No, no, no.
14:30 But he's he's making you do that and
14:31 then all a sudden you're in front of God
14:34 and God's explaining the nature of life
14:36 and the universe. It's a continuous
14:37 cycle and you've done this a million
14:39 times before and you're getting better
14:40 at it, but you're not done. And when you
14:42 do get done, you will be God. Bye.
14:47 >> That's amazing. I wish I'd have had that
14:50 experience.
14:51 >> Yeah. And it lasts three days. For three
14:53 days, you're talking to God and God's
14:54 coming out of a serpent's tongue.
14:56 >> That's amazing. But we did that. I think
14:58 what was I didn't some as was slightly
15:00 different to to that. So basically after
15:02 you had basically just you know tongued
15:05 a snake.
15:06 >> They turn to you and they go okay now
15:09 you have the wisdom of the jungle but
15:11 you cannot speak for 24 hours. So
15:13 everyone just like that. Okay. We take a
15:15 vow of silence. And then for the next 24
15:17 hours one of the things that they had us
15:19 do was climb a tree. So I disappear
15:21 about 4 meters up this tree holding on
15:22 like that completely naked. And they
15:24 just start smacking the bottom of the
15:26 tree. And I just get engulfed in fire
15:28 ants. But can't make a sound. You can't
15:31 make a sound. And they said, "If you
15:32 make a sound, the spirit of the snake
15:34 will haunt you for the rest of your
15:35 life. But if you don't make a sound,
15:36 you'll be blessed with the wisdom of the
15:37 jungle."
15:38 >> How old were you?
15:39 >> 21. Yeah. 21.
15:41 >> Jesus. So, was that the beginning of all
15:43 this self torture?
15:44 >> I think it might have been. This has
15:46 turned into therapy.
15:47 >> How many times did you get bit by fire
15:49 ants?
15:49 >> Oh, loads. I was
15:50 >> Did they They get the nuggets. They get
15:52 the whole thing. They got all the they
15:54 got all the nuggets.
15:55 >> Damn, son.
15:57 >> But but but I think it's interesting
15:58 that when I talk about my my swim,
16:01 >> what Jamie,
16:01 >> this kills [ __ ] 60,000 people a year
16:03 in India.
16:06 >> What?
16:07 >> Oh my god.
16:08 >> This you're l I would say you're lucky
16:10 to be alive clearly, but
16:12 >> wow. Well, I don't know if it's the same
16:14 snake.
16:15 >> This is from the This is the Russell's
16:17 viper,
16:17 >> right? But he didn't get a Russell's
16:18 viper. He was in the Amazon.
16:20 >> Yeah. Yeah, that's a different animal.
16:22 The the Indian thing seems insane
16:24 though.
16:24 >> I don't know what's going
16:25 >> They let it bite their tongue.
16:27 >> I guess India like in certain parts of
16:29 it, life is so hard they're like, "Fuck
16:31 it. I'll do anything." You know what I
16:33 mean? Like you see some of this the the
16:35 scenes online of India and the the
16:37 pollution in the rivers is so it's so
16:41 preposterous. You're like, "How did it
16:43 get this bad?" where like entire rivers
16:45 are filled with plastic. Like you don't
16:47 see any water at all. You just see
16:49 plastic and then you see people just
16:50 dumping their stuff into that river.
16:52 You're like, is there no adults in the
16:55 room? Like, how the [ __ ] did this
16:56 happen? There's no other way. There's no
16:58 other way to do this than to dump all
17:00 the plastic in the river and everyone's
17:02 in agreement.
17:03 >> This is crazy. Like, what the [ __ ] Give
17:05 me the snake. I'll take that snake.
17:07 >> That's my way out.
17:09 >> Let's go. I want to talk to God. How
17:11 many times do I have to do this?
17:12 Forever. This is How many times have I
17:14 done? Hundreds of thousands. Oh, no. Oh,
17:17 I thought I was unique. Oh my god, those
17:19 pictures.
17:20 >> What do you got, dude? I don't want to
17:22 show me. Let's go. Oh my tongue.
17:27 >> Oh, nice.
17:28 >> Oh god, these [ __ ] they get their
17:30 tongue rotted out because that's one of
17:32 the things that venom does. That's why
17:34 like when when a rattlesnake bites you,
17:36 it's so dangerous. It's not just the
17:38 venom can kill you, but it also rots all
17:40 the [ __ ] tissue around where the bite
17:42 is. I saw this poor guy. He got bitten
17:46 and he had multiple reconstructions of
17:48 his arm and he documented it all online.
17:50 And this was quite a while ago. It was
17:52 like the early days of the internet, but
17:53 this guy did this documentation of what
17:56 his arm looked like from the time he got
17:58 bit by this rattlesnake to like eight
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19:16 >> So this guy's doing it to his tongue.
19:18 Oh, but I think it's it's weird as well.
19:20 This is going to sound so strange, but I
19:21 I I think sometimes that that granted is
19:24 strange because it's voluntary, but
19:26 again, this is a weird example, but I
19:27 was living with the um uh in Olanok in
19:30 Siberia with the Aveni herders out
19:32 there. And I think so often we've become
19:34 too civilized. we we kind of have
19:36 civilization over survival, you know,
19:38 and there's certain things that they do,
19:39 whether it's um they rely on the
19:41 reindeer, they they kill them, they have
19:42 them for their for their milk, butter,
19:44 make all sorts out of them. But this one
19:46 particular story, I'm going to apologize
19:47 in advance now, but to manage the amount
19:50 of reindeer that they have in these huge
19:52 herds. They basically said to us, "Look,
19:54 we need to basically castrate some of
19:56 the male reindeer cuz they're fighting.
19:58 So, we still need them, but we need to
19:59 castrate them." I was like, "Okay, look,
20:01 that's a bit off key, but give me the
20:03 knife and I I'll do whatever you need to
20:04 do and they said, "No, no, no, no. We'll
20:05 stop you there, Ross." We actually do a
20:06 form of um semicration. So, we just want
20:08 to make them slightly more docile so
20:10 they're not fighting as much. And they
20:11 >> they do it with the teeth.
20:12 >> Exactly that. Yeah.
20:13 >> Yeah. They they grab them from behind
20:15 and they bite their nuts with their
20:16 teeth.
20:17 >> That's exactly it. Yeah. So, when I was
20:18 out there, they said, "Would you like to
20:20 perform it?" I'm not proud of it.
20:24 >> That's what I did.
20:26 >> I understand that they have to do that
20:28 like the way they gel horses, you know,
20:31 they do that with horses as well. I
20:32 understand it, but uh I don't want to be
20:35 a part of that. I won't even do that to
20:37 my dogs. Like I went to a veterinarian
20:40 once and she literally cradled my dog,
20:42 Johnny Cash. I had this mastiff named
20:44 John Johnny Cash. He was the best. And
20:46 this lady cradled his balls. She goes,
20:48 "What are these? Why are these here?" I
20:50 go, "Well, those are his testicles, and
20:52 he was born with them, and that's how
20:53 his body produces testosterone."
20:56 And she's like, "Wouldn't it be
20:57 responsible to have him neutered?" And I
21:00 was like, "Why would that be
21:01 responsible? He's not having unnecessary
21:03 babies. Why would Why do you want his
21:05 body to not produce testosterone? Is it
21:08 because there's a narrative? Is it
21:09 because you profit off of it? Like what?
21:11 Fortunately for me, I had a doctor when
21:14 I first moved to Los Angeles, a
21:15 veterinarian who was an a I mean, this
21:18 guy was an animal lover. I mean, he was
21:20 like a dog whisperer. I brought my dog
21:22 in and immediately he was like my dog's
21:24 best friend. And uh I said, "Should I
21:26 get him fixed?" He goes, "No, there's no
21:28 reason to." He goes, "You have a fence.
21:30 your dog's not going to hop out and make
21:32 puppies that aren't going to be taken
21:33 care of. If you're a responsible dog
21:35 owner, don't get your dog fixed." I go,
21:37 "Really?" I thought it was like for
21:38 their health so they don't get cancer.
21:40 He goes, "Complete horseshit." He goes,
21:41 "If dogs get cancer, it's most likely
21:43 probably from really bad food.
21:45 >> They're eating shitty food just like
21:47 people get cancer. You know, not a lot
21:49 of animals get cancer. It's not a lot of
21:51 nor Well,
21:52 >> Tasmanian devils do,
21:54 >> but they get cancer from biting each
21:56 other. They're one of the weirdest cases
21:58 of cancer. They have a transmissible
22:00 cancer.
22:02 >> Like Tasmanian Devil from the cartoon.
22:04 You ever seen those [ __ ] in real
22:05 life?
22:05 >> Yeah. Yeah.
22:06 >> They they have the craziest sounds.
22:09 >> Anyway, my point is don't cut your nuts
22:11 off your dog if you're a responsible dog
22:13 owner cuz they get tired. Even Huberman,
22:15 we were talking about Huberman before.
22:16 He did it to his bulldog and he felt bad
22:18 so he started giving his bulldog
22:19 testosterone.
22:20 >> He said, "Yeah, when I caught up with
22:21 him." Yeah. Is it true as well? Sharks
22:23 don't get cancer as well. They've got
22:24 these crazy immune systems. Yeah. Yeah.
22:26 Sharks.
22:26 >> Also, they're not bones. It's like we're
22:28 so distant from them. They are so old.
22:30 >> My god. So I Yeah, I went swimming with
22:32 great whites of Tasmania. Oh my god.
22:36 >> Yeah. Yeah. You'll be You'll be aware of
22:38 this as well.
22:38 >> Tasmania. So outside Australia. The real
22:41 ones. The real ones. Those are the OGs.
22:44 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They get big. They
22:45 stop growing. The females certainly they
22:47 stop growing in length at a certain
22:48 point. Then they just get bigger. It's
22:50 just a submarine with teeth.
22:51 >> Like New Zealand rugby players.
22:53 >> Exactly. Exactly like that. Exactly like
22:56 that. It is nuts. So they they explained
22:58 to me they basically said they have
23:00 something called um the ampulive
23:01 laurenzini. So they're able to pick up
23:02 electrical impulses. Is your heart
23:04 beating quick? Are you are you
23:06 twitching? Do you look like prey?
23:07 >> Oh Jesus Christ.
23:08 >> I was down there with some very
23:09 experienced divers as well. We dived and
23:11 we swam with them on the dive when we
23:12 went down about 40 ft. What was nuts is
23:16 they immediately knew that I was the
23:17 weakest link. They immediately knew that
23:19 I I was kind of out of my depth when it
23:21 came to diving. And they all just
23:23 started swimming towards me like and
23:24 they're just going, "Ross, Ross, I'm not
23:26 saying square up to it, but please stop
23:29 breathing so heavy and acting like
23:30 prey." So, in that moment, it was just
23:33 strange how we had a conversation, but
23:36 it was obviously non-verbal and across
23:37 species that it was looking at me, came
23:39 straight up to me. I sort of tried, not
23:42 again, I'm not saying I squared up to
23:43 it, but kind of was like, "Can I help
23:45 you?" And then it just went, "All right,
23:47 you're okay." And just
23:48 >> Well, you didn't panic.
23:50 >> No. And if you panic that might have
23:51 been the end.
23:52 >> Yeah. But just the the way that they
23:54 like I said describe that ampuli of
23:55 Laurenini that they are just looking at
23:57 me. There is this it's a this apex
23:59 predator with just like thousands of
24:01 years and it's downloading data on me
24:04 and it just knew 10 of us down there and
24:06 it knew that I was the weakest link.
24:08 >> Jeez.
24:09 >> Yeah. Great.
24:09 >> It's probably so obvious, right? Those
24:11 other guys are so comfortable in the
24:13 water. They've done it a million times.
24:14 Probably have a very low heart rate down
24:16 there. It's a novel experience for you.
24:18 And there's sharks.
24:20 >> Exactly that. Exactly.
24:21 >> My good friend Adam Greenree, one of his
24:23 buddies back home in Australia, got his
24:25 head bit off by a shark.
24:26 >> He was he was uh spear fishing
24:29 >> and he came out of a thing like like a
24:31 crevice or something in the reef and a
24:34 shark just took
24:36 >> didn't even see it coming. Just
24:37 >> didn't even see it coming. just popped
24:39 out and the shark saw something that
24:41 looked like food that was coming out of
24:43 the reef
24:44 >> cuz they're, you know, they're they're
24:45 in the reefs looking for all sorts of
24:47 whatever they eat,
24:48 >> whatever fish [ __ ] up and, you know, or
24:51 in the wrong place at the wrong time.
24:52 They're so damn scary.
24:55 >> Cuz they're ambush predators as well.
24:57 >> The tiger sharks of Bahamas similarly
25:00 swimming with them and so often it's
25:02 just enough to look at them. As long as
25:03 they can see your eyes, they go, "Okay,
25:05 you've seen me." But the amount of times
25:07 sometimes when we were down there and
25:08 they're like, "Ross, have your head on a
25:09 swivel because they were just coming up
25:11 behind me." And had I have not turned
25:12 around 100% I wouldn't be speaking to
25:14 you now.
25:16 >> Dude, in Hawaii, they're a real problem,
25:18 man. They're a real problem for the
25:20 surfers.
25:21 >> You know, whenever you hear about
25:22 someone getting got, it's a tiger shark.
25:25 >> There's a crazy video we played on here
25:26 once of this guy. He's uh he's in a
25:28 kayak and he's out in the middle of the
25:30 ocean fishing and a tiger shark just
25:33 slams into his kayak and you see its
25:35 mouth wide open, his big [ __ ] head
25:38 and it knocks the kayak sideways. It's
25:41 terrifying.
25:42 >> And he's screaming, "Tiger shark, tiger
25:45 shark." Just
25:46 >> here it is. Watch this. Watch this.
25:47 >> Eat of them.
25:48 >> Watch this. Oh no,
25:50 >> bro. [ __ ] that. [ __ ] all that.
25:54 >> That That was a tiger, was it?
25:55 >> Yes. [ __ ] all that. Look at this thing.
25:58 Launch up. Imagine if he was in an
26:00 inflatable.
26:02 >> If he was in an inflatable, that's a
26:04 wrap.
26:05 >> You just got your [ __ ] popped by a tiger
26:07 and now you're floating a mile offshore,
26:10 whatever the [ __ ] is.
26:12 >> It's the same like bull sharks as well,
26:14 though. Bull sharks are just angry.
26:16 Experts like friends of mine have just
26:18 said like they will just come over to
26:19 you with with a white shark. They're
26:20 they're curious. Their taste buds are in
26:22 their throats. They'll come over, nip
26:23 you, and they're just like, "Oh, sorry.
26:25 I didn't realize you weren't a seal. The
26:26 only problem is is you're bleeding out.
26:28 Whereas a bull shark, they'll just be
26:29 like, I'm just in a bad mood. I'm just
26:31 going to come over and just miss. Yeah,
26:33 exactly. I talked to this dude in
26:35 Florida. He said he will not spearfish
26:37 anymore. He said they live in central
26:40 like central Florida. He said when
26:42 you're off the reefs, he said it's so
26:44 [ __ ] dangerous. He's like the bull
26:45 sharks are all over the place now.
26:47 >> Yeah.
26:47 >> Cuz everybody's like sharks are amazing.
26:50 Stop the shark fin soup. [ __ ] serve
26:53 it up. Okay. Serve up monster dick soup.
26:57 It should be everywhere. What the [ __ ]
27:00 are you talking about? You want to eat
27:02 beautiful things like cows that are
27:03 sweet and kind. You want to eat ve but
27:06 you won't eat monsters. You should be
27:08 eating monsters. Monsters should be on
27:09 every menu. If you could get [ __ ] ve
27:12 scallopini at Italian restaurant, you
27:14 should be able to get monster dick soup.
27:16 They should sell that [ __ ] everywhere.
27:18 They should become our food. [ __ ] them.
27:20 [ __ ] sharks. But further to that point,
27:23 I would say then I was completely out of
27:25 my day. I've never felt more vulnerable
27:27 in that moment. The other the only other
27:29 time I felt vulnerable was um I broke
27:30 the record for the world's longest
27:32 non-stop river swim. So it was 510 km uh
27:35 60 hours all the way down the Yukon
27:37 River. We hit these uh the five finger
27:39 rapids at one point. Uh I basically kind
27:41 of just got thrown against rocks. Uh cut
27:43 up pretty bad.
27:44 >> So where does this start in the Yukon?
27:46 >> Yeah. Yes, it was a white horse to
27:48 Dawson. I hope I've got that the right
27:50 way round. Yeah. So you're Are you in
27:51 BC? Like where are you in
27:53 >> in
27:54 >> What is Yukon? Is it's Alaska?
27:55 >> No, no, no, no. Uh Canada.
27:57 >> Canada,
27:57 >> but it goes to Alaska. Yeah. If you
27:59 continue with the Yukon River, it will
28:01 eventually go to Alaska.
28:02 >> So does it come down? What part of
28:04 Canada does it come through?
28:05 >> Oh, that's a good question.
28:06 >> So it's cold as [ __ ] though is my point.
28:07 >> It's freezing.
28:08 >> And what time are you going there?
28:10 >> We went like
28:12 we went July.
28:13 >> So the Northwest Territories, that's
28:14 what they call it, right?
28:15 >> Yeah.
28:16 >> Is that what they call it?
28:17 >> Yeah. And we just it was it's just the
28:19 wild wild west out there. And I we we
28:21 took off like I said we started um
28:23 basically what was so so strange is for
28:26 the first 24 hours didn't see much in
28:27 the way of wildlife. I got thrown
28:29 against these white water rapids got hit
28:31 on the rocks and that's why the back of
28:32 my legs are still cut up now. And then
28:34 from that the the rules are no one can
28:36 touch you. You can't touch the boat. So
28:38 I'm like guys I can't stop. So I just
28:39 pull my leg out the water like this. And
28:42 as I do, blood is just dripping out the
28:44 end of my wets suit. Literally like
28:46 clockwork. As soon as that happened,
28:49 bears, wolves, everything. I said,
28:51 "What's happening?" And they said,
28:52 "Ross, they can smell the blood. You're
28:54 like an ice cream van. You're just
28:55 advertising yourself to all the wildlife
28:58 now in the Yukon."
28:59 >> Really?
29:00 >> Yeah. Again, now the black bears, fine.
29:02 As you know, they're they're skittish.
29:04 And it it was so for me, strange
29:06 Englishman, first time dealing with
29:07 bears. The black bears were looking just
29:09 like, "What are you? I don't know." a
29:10 bit skittish. The brown bears. No,
29:13 >> they look at you very different.
29:15 >> So,
29:15 >> they look right through you.
29:17 >> So different. They're just almost like
29:18 sitting there just kind of look and we
29:20 had, like I said, a boat full of people.
29:22 We had protection on there and stuff,
29:24 but it just didn't care. It was It was I
29:26 was so aware.
29:27 >> How big was the brown bear?
29:28 >> I I would have no as an Englishman who
29:31 has no experience that I've done it just
29:33 scarily big for me. Yeah, it was big.
29:36 Yeah. And I just carried on swimming. It
29:37 was interesting how it was almost like
29:39 it was looking going, "You're not a
29:41 salmon, but you're not a bear. I don't
29:43 know. I wonder if you're hungry." And I
29:45 just I carry on. So I turned to the
29:46 guys. I said, "Guys, am I okay? Am I
29:48 safe? Shall I keep swimming?"
29:50 Thankfully, one of the team turned
29:51 around. It wasn't even a gun. It was
29:52 like a cannon. And they said, "Ross,
29:54 don't worry. If it gets too close to
29:55 you, it'll end up in my freezer." I was
29:57 like, "Right, that's what I wanted to
29:58 hear." We just carried on.
30:01 >> Yeah, I know.
30:01 >> You know, um, statistically, you're more
30:03 likely to get killed by a black bear.
30:07 Well, no, that's not correct.
30:09 Statistically, when a black bear attacks
30:11 you, it's more likely in predation.
30:14 Whereas, when a brown bear attacks you,
30:16 it's more likely surprised and it's
30:18 defending itself. Or it's a mother with
30:20 her cubs, which is the most dangerous.
30:23 >> That's interesting.
30:24 >> Just like in real life, you [ __ ] with a
30:25 lady's kids, like you [ __ ] with if you
30:27 [ __ ] with a grizzly bear and you come
30:29 near its kids, they they are terrifying.
30:33 They run at you full clip. Mo most of
30:35 the times when dudes get attacked and
30:37 killed, that's that's where you [ __ ]
30:38 up.
30:39 >> You run into a 700 pound mama with her
30:42 babies and a a a jaw that could just
30:46 crush your head like a candy bar.
30:48 >> Like, [ __ ] you. Like, you you can't and
30:51 you can't run away from her and you
30:52 can't climb up a tree. You can't do
30:54 [ __ ]
30:55 >> And you just zigged when you should have
30:57 zagged and you got too close to her kids
30:59 and she doesn't want to take any
31:00 chances. So, you just became food.
31:04 >> Yeah. Why what was what was kind of
31:05 strange that's kind of it was so weird
31:08 going from the Yukon and then a year
31:10 later we did the Iceland swim and and
31:12 there were some of these old uh sort of
31:13 modern day Viking chiefs who basically
31:15 were explaining about the concept of a
31:17 berserker as well. Berserker obviously
31:18 just meaning bear shirt saying that
31:20 these berserkers these ancient Nordic
31:22 warriors would so often just try to
31:24 embody the spirit of the animal and
31:26 there was even the U of Huffner which
31:28 are
31:28 >> that's called bear shirts that's what
31:30 berserker means
31:31 >> yeah bear pelt bear shirt basically
31:33 >> that's what berserker means wow you
31:35 learn something new every day Jamie
31:37 >> so they would embody literally the
31:40 spirit of the animal like I said there
31:41 was almost from berserkers as well there
31:43 were almost like subcategories as well
31:44 so there were the I hope I'm pronouncing
31:46 it right Huffner
31:47 which were the wolf warriors and they
31:49 were Odin's chosen warriors there.
31:52 There's stories of them just running
31:53 into battle, no armor, basically naked,
31:55 painted, biting down onto their shields
31:58 as well and howling into the wind.
32:00 >> You know, they were also doing
32:01 mushrooms.
32:02 >> I know, right? Yeah, that was that was
32:04 one of the things about those fellas.
32:06 Berserker comes from the old Norse
32:08 berserker, most likely meaning bear
32:10 shirt, a warrior wearing a bear skin.
32:12 Exact etmology is disputed. An
32:14 alternative interpretation is bear shirt
32:17 referring to fighting without armor.
32:19 >> Huh. In plain English, it means a
32:22 frenzied warrior. But I guess you have
32:23 to be a pretty frenzied warrior to kill
32:25 a [ __ ] bear back then.
32:27 >> You know, there was no rifle, son. You
32:28 had to do it in an intimate fashion. If
32:31 you're going to kill a brown bear,
32:33 you're going to kill especially a male.
32:35 The ones in if you get to anywhere where
32:37 the salmon live, they get gigantic. M.
32:41 >> Which brought me to this terrible idea
32:42 that I had that I really shouldn't put
32:43 out there in the universe, but if you
32:45 wanted to have like the ultimate really
32:48 [ __ ] dangerous jackass stunt, you
32:50 would put these guys in salmon suits.
32:54 >> And make them swim.
32:56 >> Oh my god.
32:57 >> Through when those bears are like
32:58 catching those salmon that are going up
33:00 the waterfall
33:01 >> in those rivers where there's like nine
33:03 ten of them.
33:04 >> I would watch it.
33:04 >> Yeah. Put put the jackass guys. I
33:07 shouldn't have said it. I shouldn't have
33:08 said it cuz someone's going to take I
33:10 could see Steo calling his [ __ ]
33:12 costume designer right now.
33:13 >> It's so true. But it was so interesting
33:15 as well because again swimming around
33:16 Iceland you hear stories of berserkers.
33:18 You know the famous one of Stamford
33:19 Bridge.
33:20 >> No, this was an amazing story 1066 I
33:22 believe when the Norwegians were
33:23 invading England. Stamford Bridge the
33:26 Norwegians were retreating and as they
33:29 were there was just this one lone
33:31 berserker who just stood on the bridge
33:33 with a massive ax and was just taking
33:35 down just soldier after soldier. just
33:37 wave after wave and took them down.
33:39 Eventually, it was somebody who actually
33:40 went under the bridge and managed to
33:42 stab him from underneath. But it was
33:44 known as the Berserker of Stamford
33:45 Bridge.
33:46 >> Stab him from under the bridge. That's
33:47 how they got him.
33:48 >> Yeah, eventually. But he was just like
33:50 those guys in Iceland that win those
33:52 strongman competitions. Just imagine one
33:55 of those guys with a battle axe, you
33:57 know? Imagine like the mountain from
33:59 Game of Thrones with a giant wood and
34:02 steel, wood and iron [ __ ] huge shield
34:05 in front of him and an enormous battle
34:07 axe that you couldn't even pick up and
34:09 he's just hacking through people and
34:11 everyone's watching their friends die.
34:12 So, they're all in a panic and he's
34:14 covered in blood and he's 400 lb.
34:16 >> It's so true. And I think even as well,
34:18 I mean, I'm a huge fan of Gunnar Nelson
34:20 as well. You know, you look at the the
34:22 history of just Icelandic athletes,
34:24 warriors, and it's nuts.
34:25 >> Yeah. Did Gunnar beat Jeff Monson in an
34:29 absolute contest in Abu Dhabi? When
34:32 Gunner w Gunner fought in the UFC,
34:36 >> I only think he's fought as a
34:37 welterweight, correct? I think he's only
34:39 fought at 170. Jeff Monson's like 250.
34:43 Do you know who Jeff Monson is?
34:44 >> Yeah, of course.
34:46 >> He's a muscle. He's like a He's just
34:48 muscle. His whole [ __ ] body like his
34:50 his his shoulders start at his the top
34:53 of his head. He's [ __ ] enormous. And
34:56 Monson and the him, they went into an
34:59 absolute, which is there's no weight
35:00 classes in grappling. They still allow
35:02 that. And he beat him, which is [ __ ]
35:05 insane. That is crazy. But it traces
35:07 back to their culture as well. This is
35:09 one thing that I I loved when swimming
35:10 around Iceland that for instance um you
35:13 know the story of Odin and Ragnarok, do
35:14 you know? Yes. At the end where you
35:16 know, spoiler alert for those listening,
35:17 Odin knew he was going to die in
35:18 Ragnarok that the Norse apocalypse, but
35:20 ran in anyway. Uh, spoiler alert, he got
35:22 uh eaten by a giant wolf. But this is
35:24 what I loved that the Icelandic and
35:26 Nordic folklore is like, look, you can't
35:28 control fate. Everybody believed that
35:29 you were destined. That's already
35:30 written for you. But it's how you can
35:32 control your attitude towards it. And I
35:35 think that's the thing that I've
35:36 certainly found from Icelandic culture
35:38 that it doesn't matter if you are Gunner
35:40 Nelson going up against 250 lb monster,
35:42 you will just run into battle anyway.
35:44 Yeah.
35:44 >> You know, you that is your fate, but
35:45 it's choosing your attitude towards it.
35:48 >> Yeah.
35:48 >> Yeah. Well, that's very attractive to
35:50 most people. Most most men, they wish
35:53 they could be like that. Damn, shows
35:54 like it's true.
35:55 >> It's why I mean, how many goddamn Viking
35:57 shows have there been so many Viking
35:59 shows and Viking move? Have you seen the
36:01 Northmen? That movie?
36:03 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. And
36:04 quite accurate apparently as well.
36:06 >> Yeah, I bet it's accurate. Well, except
36:08 for the supernatural [ __ ] But again,
36:10 mushrooms. These guys are high as [ __ ]
36:12 all the time on psilocybin. Who knows
36:14 what they were saying? And they, you
36:16 know, they they that's what's
36:17 interesting is because like people
36:19 assume that mushrooms make you peaceful.
36:21 That's why the whole thing's so
36:22 confusing
36:23 >> because they really for most people they
36:25 make you like more connected to everyone
36:26 around you. But
36:28 >> possibly, but it's unproven. The idea is
36:30 that berserkers ate mushrooms before
36:32 battle is a popular theory, not an
36:34 established historical fact. There's no
36:36 solid archaeological or textual evidence
36:39 demonstrating drug use. Okay. So, what
36:41 is the what is the Oh, it's a e aminita
36:44 pascaria. But I've heard uh it also be
36:47 psilocybin. I've heard that being
36:49 proposed.
36:50 >> You know, it's in that that Viking show.
36:53 I think they Can you put that back up,
36:54 please? I think in the Viking show they
36:57 they talk about us or it looks like
36:59 they're eating psilocybin. It doesn't
37:00 look like Amanita. Amanita mascara is
37:02 like really obvious. It's a bright red
37:05 with white dots on it. It looks like
37:07 Santa Claus.
37:09 >> Um the red one with the white spots. Its
37:11 effects don't nearly explain the battle
37:13 fury. It can cause delirium, twitching,
37:15 drowsiness while violent aggression
37:17 isn't typical. Yeah, even the delirium,
37:20 twitching, and drowsiness. The problem
37:21 with this explanation is it's not really
37:23 known what ammonita mascaria does. It's
37:26 not like a a it's not a normal
37:28 psychedelic, and it also doesn't seem to
37:31 be as effective as it was at one point
37:33 in time. So the theory is like Terrence
37:36 McKenna's theory was that it's it's very
37:38 variable like a lot of things are like
37:40 peppers are very variable to in genetics
37:44 region and maybe even seasonally that
37:47 you had to like get these mushrooms from
37:49 a very specific area. You just like like
37:52 you want Cuban cigars. There's like some
37:54 mushrooms in a very specific area that
37:57 contained a much more potent version of
37:59 whatever they do to you,
38:01 >> you know, but it's unclear. The ammonita
38:04 mascar is like psilocybin is very clear.
38:06 Like no one eats that and goes, "Oh, I
38:08 don't see it." Like you eat the sil but
38:11 ammonita mascara it varies a lot. I've
38:14 heard people having insane experiences
38:16 on it and I myself tried it and it was
38:18 almost nothing. Did very little. It made
38:21 you feel weird.
38:22 >> But you're so right as well that mixed
38:24 with certainly being out in Iceland when
38:25 you hear stories of elves, trolls, you
38:27 know, all these things. And then when
38:28 you're out there, like I said, I started
38:30 the swim. I had a blot ceremony.
38:32 Basically just means that they blessed
38:33 my journey as I swam around Iceland. And
38:35 at the start they were talking about,
38:36 you know, the different realms of
38:37 Iceland as well. Um, do you know the
38:39 story about the the the different
38:40 guardians of Iceland?
38:42 >> What are the different guardians?
38:43 >> Oh, so basically the story goes that um
38:46 back in the day there was a a foreign
38:48 king who wanted to invade uh Iceland. So
38:50 he sent this sorcerer disguised as a
38:52 whale to see where they could attack
38:53 from. Went over to the west coast. There
38:55 was a huge bull that is representative
38:57 of strength and power. Said you can't
38:58 attack there. Went around to the north
39:00 coast. Over the north coast, huge eagle
39:02 that represents vision. Can see for
39:03 miles. It was like right you can't
39:04 attack there. East coast uh dragon realm
39:07 of the dragon. Basically dragons love
39:09 fast flowing water. So there's loads of
39:11 waterfalls. The east Icelandic current
39:12 guns down there. And then on the south
39:14 coast there was a massive giant as well.
39:16 Upon hearing this at the start during
39:18 the blot ceremony, I was like, "Okay,
39:19 that's a cool story." You get around the
39:21 top of Iceland and all of a sudden birds
39:23 are just coming down, divebombing me,
39:26 like you get over to the east coast and
39:28 you see some of the caves and the
39:29 waterfalls and I'm like, "Oh, for sure."
39:31 If you were on mushrooms, I can 100%
39:33 believe this. Yeah, it's amazing. And
39:35 even now as well, if you're in Iceland
39:37 and you see a road that is just like
39:39 inexplicably curved and goes around, I'm
39:42 like, "What what's happening there? That
39:44 that road makes no sense. it should just
39:45 be going straight. And with a completely
39:47 straight face, a lot of locals will say,
39:49 "That's going through the elves sacred
39:51 land. We had to build around it." And
39:52 I'll say, "What do you mean?" And they
39:53 said, "We were trying to build a road
39:55 and then inexplicably the machines broke
39:58 down. The bulldozer broke down. We got
40:00 some more in." So there's a lot of
40:02 people out there who still believe in
40:03 that. And I'm like, "Yeah, on mushrooms.
40:05 I can believe it."
40:07 >> Well, think about Do you know the
40:09 popular theory? There's a popular theory
40:11 that consciousness is rendered or rather
40:14 reality is rendered by consciousness and
40:16 that consciousness
40:18 renders reality much like a computer and
40:22 uh a 3D game engine renders a game.
40:25 >> So like if you're playing a game like
40:28 say if you're playing Halo, it doesn't
40:30 have to reg it doesn't have to render
40:32 all these maps that you're not in it.
40:35 It's only rendering the map that you're
40:36 in. Right.
40:37 >> Right. So as you go into the new maps,
40:39 then it starts to render it. So there's
40:42 legitimate physicists that are
40:45 entertaining the possibility that
40:47 reality is not concrete and that reality
40:50 is actually rendered by consciousness.
40:54 And here's my thought. I don't know if
40:56 this is accurate. I don't know if
40:57 they're right. I don't know if they're
40:58 wrong. It it's weird and it makes sense,
41:00 but reality doesn't make sense. Neither
41:01 does the fact the universe is infinite.
41:03 So let's put all that aside. And God
41:04 made us all in his image. Great. Let's
41:07 put that aside and just stop and think
41:10 about what is real. What is
41:12 consciousness capable of rendering when
41:16 it has access to science? It has access
41:19 to all these different university
41:21 courses you could take on biology and
41:23 evolution and the nature of the world
41:26 and what causes the tide and what makes
41:29 uh thunderstorms happen and all these
41:31 different things that we know now. Now
41:34 imagine if those things didn't exist
41:37 >> and all you have is just super
41:41 hyperfocused on nature primitive people
41:44 who have gods as an explanation for
41:47 everything and they're on mushrooms.
41:50 Like if if consciousness really does
41:53 render reality then well then the elves
41:57 are real, right? Cuz then cuz if you've
42:00 done enough mushrooms, you have
42:02 encountered an entity. You've
42:04 encountered something. It doesn't seem
42:06 like you're making it up. It seems like
42:08 it's there all the time, but you don't
42:10 have access to it. And then all a sudden
42:12 you're in front of it. And if you're in
42:13 a world where there's no explanations
42:16 for anything because no one knows how to
42:17 read, okay? You have a bunch of [ __ ]
42:20 weird grunts for your language.
42:22 >> You have extra consonants and [ __ ] and
42:24 all your words. like this is and they're
42:27 warrior people and you're on mushrooms
42:29 and you're respecting the elf land so
42:32 much so you move your road around
42:35 100%. But I I
42:37 >> THAT SOUNDS BETTER THAN TODAY.
42:38 >> NO, I AGREE. I agree. I love what you
42:40 said there as well cuz I remember at the
42:42 start of my swim I did a training swim.
42:44 I'm toweling down afterwards getting out
42:45 of my wets suit and this like old old
42:48 guy, this old fisherman just comes out
42:50 of nowhere. First thing he says to me
42:52 under the northern lights I'm looking
42:54 up. They're amazing. They've just
42:55 illuminated the entire sky. I'm like,
42:56 "Wow." Looking up and he just comes over
42:58 and just whispers in my ear and he just
43:00 said, "They're probably deciding if you
43:02 live or die." And I went, "Oh, excuse."
43:06 I went,
43:06 >> "Oh, boy."
43:07 >> I went, "I'm sorry. I'm
43:08 >> This [ __ ] keeps swimming for 60 hours
43:12 at a time. He wants to die. They
43:14 probably saw right through you.
43:16 >> This guy's crazy."
43:17 >> I said, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What did
43:19 you say?" He goes, "They're probably
43:19 deciding if you live or die." I said,
43:21 "You, please, you're going to have to
43:22 explain." He said that we believe that
43:24 in an ancient Nordic folklore that
43:25 basically the northern lights are the
43:27 Valkyries, Odin's female warriors, and
43:29 that is their shimmering shields and
43:31 their swords as they're riding through
43:32 the sky looking down at the fallen to
43:34 see who makes it back to Valhalla to
43:36 dine with Odin. And I was again at the
43:39 time I was like, "Oh, that's a bit off
43:41 key."
43:46 >> But then what a funny way to describe
43:49 it. 112 days later, we swim obviously
43:52 through the uh through the summer, so
43:53 there's less chance to see the northern
43:55 lights because you get 24 hours of
43:56 daylight. And then right at the very end
43:58 on the very very very last swim,
44:00 northern lights come up again. It was
44:02 weird. And I am on my back
44:05 just like
44:07 if as the Valkyries, if Odin is
44:09 listening, thank you so much.
44:11 >> Well, if you again, if you live back
44:13 then, you would think that your journey
44:15 is complete. And so at the end of the
44:16 video game, you get to see some cool
44:18 montage of scenes and and beautiful
44:21 sites. And I mean, that's what happens
44:23 in a movie. Like this is the end of the
44:24 movie.
44:26 >> You did it. That's what's weird about
44:28 reality. Like this idea that
44:30 consciousness is rendering reality.
44:32 >> Again, I really don't understand it. I
44:34 don't know if it's I don't even know if
44:36 it makes sense.
44:36 >> Oh, there we go. Yeah.
44:38 >> In Iceland, respect the elves or else.
44:40 Yeah, I'm respecting the [ __ ] out of
44:42 them elves. Okay.
44:43 >> This rock, they won't move.
44:45 >> I'm not touching that rock.
44:46 >> The elves don't want it moved.
44:48 >> Yeah, I think they're real, dude.
44:50 >> 100%.
44:50 >> I think they're real. I think you just
44:52 can't see them normally.
44:53 >> Uh, it said news crews tried to film the
44:56 rock and every time they tried to film
44:58 it like it wouldn't record something
45:01 like that.
45:01 >> Good. [ __ ] you. [ __ ] you. Fake news.
45:05 Fake news. Don't film the rock. Yeah.
45:07 The real news is there's [ __ ] elves
45:09 are real. They moved this. They moved
45:11 the road. True. Even TV crews say their
45:13 cameras failed to record anything when
45:15 pointed at the rock.
45:16 >> I bet I go over there and record the
45:18 [ __ ] out of it with my iPhone. [ __ ] you.
45:20 How is there a picture of it? [ __ ] off.
45:22 You got a guy working for you that's an
45:24 [ __ ] Doesn't know how to use the
45:25 He's probably got his tongue bit by a
45:27 cobra two days ago. The guy's tripping
45:29 balls.
45:30 >> [ __ ] off.
45:31 >> Yeah. Well, that not that that might
45:32 have been a different rock.
45:33 >> It's just fun. It's look fun. Like
45:34 whoever the guy was saying they're
45:36 deciding whether you live or die, he's
45:38 having fun.
45:38 >> Oh, it's a good time. Who is that guy?
45:41 It was just an old fisherman.
45:42 >> Yeah, that old fisherman was [ __ ]
45:44 with this cocky jacked British guy. He's
45:46 looking at you like, "Fuck you in your
45:48 six-pack. The elves are going to kill
45:50 you."
45:50 >> Odin, you know [ __ ] with you. That
45:52 guy was [ __ ] with you 100%.
45:54 >> Odin describes He disguises himself as
45:56 an old man.
45:57 >> Or he's an [ __ ] He's an old
45:59 fisherman. He's [ __ ] drunk every
46:01 night. He's tired of life. He sees his
46:03 beautiful young Englishman with a
46:05 [ __ ] manly beard and a six-pack just
46:08 looking jacked, ready to swim for days.
46:10 He's like, "Fuck you. The elves are
46:12 going to kill you."
46:13 >> That's he wanted you to be nervous. He's
46:15 like, "This [ __ ] dork. [ __ ] him."
46:17 >> 80%.
46:18 >> In a survey, 80 over 80% of the
46:20 respondents refused to deny the
46:21 existence of elves.
46:22 >> Wow.
46:23 >> And 8% were certain they existed.
46:25 >> Well, those guys are dangerous. The 80%
46:27 were certain. Those are dangerous
46:28 people. Those are religious fanatics.
46:30 Put that back up, please. Those guys,
46:32 they can't be trusted. How the [ __ ] do
46:34 you know? It's all about respect for
46:35 nature, which is something Icelanders
46:37 know is very much alive. I agree with
46:39 that. Said gunnel. What a what an
46:41 Iceland name. Guy's name is Gunnel.
46:44 >> But when your house can be destroyed by
46:46 an earthquake, when you could be blown
46:48 over by the wind, when boiling water
46:50 from your taps tells you there's lava
46:52 not far beneath your feet, then you
46:54 don't mess with nature. Holy [ __ ] They
46:57 get boiling water from their taps
46:59 sometimes.
47:00 >> Yeah.
47:00 >> What the [ __ ] man?
47:02 >> Can you imagine going to sleep? You know
47:04 that there's so much lava underneath
47:06 your house that water is boiling coming
47:09 out of your tap. You're like, "Good
47:10 night."
47:14 >> No deal.
47:14 >> I wonder what's on Real Housewives of
47:16 Beverly Hills. You [ __ ] sitting there
47:18 staring at Kim Kardashian and
47:22 No Way. Caitlyn Jenner is on TV. Oh,
47:26 they're all together again. All this
47:28 [ __ ] lava under your feet. But that's
47:30 Icelandic people. They're just hard as
47:31 nails. I said this. It's like it's just
47:33 a country that's trying to kill you.
47:35 When we were there actually at the very
47:37 end. So I I basically I made it back by
47:40 3 days for the birth of my first child.
47:43 >> Congratulations.
47:44 >> Thank you so much. That's awesome.
47:45 >> Oh yeah.
47:45 >> That's a life changer, huh?
47:47 >> It was amazing. Yeah, it was. But but at
47:49 the end, for instance, so so my
47:50 girlfriend, she's amazing. We've been
47:51 together for 13 years. And the the
47:54 basically the University of Iceland
47:55 said, "Look, if you can collect Edna
47:56 samples, environmental DNA samples
47:58 around the coast of Iceland, we can
47:59 track biodiversity in a level of detail
48:01 we've never seen before." So we had them
48:03 on board, we had sponsors on board, we
48:04 had a boat on board,
48:05 >> and then we found out we were pregnant.
48:07 So I was like, "Oh."
48:08 >> So you know,
48:09 >> in America, we frown upon that we are
48:11 pregnant.
48:12 >> Oh, really? We frowned upon that.
48:13 >> She's pregnant.
48:14 >> Yeah, she's pregnant. You're definitely
48:15 not pregnant.
48:16 >> You definitely are pregnant. She's
48:18 pregnant.
48:19 >> And when I say in America, I mean me.
48:22 I frown upon that kind of talk.
48:24 >> She's pregnant.
48:25 >> Yeah,
48:26 >> she uh she's amazing. She just said,
48:27 "Look, you know, go, but you need to
48:29 make it back." So, we had that hard
48:31 >> that's a good thing to say. You need to
48:33 live.
48:35 >> You need to survive.
48:36 >> You're about to have a baby. Don't swim
48:38 for 60 days, you [ __ ] [ __ ] You
48:40 have responsibilities.
48:41 >> Oh, I know. But I think, and I've heard
48:43 you talk about, you know, fatherhood and
48:44 stuff, it it invoked something in me, a
48:47 level of motivation that I've never
48:48 experienced before. It was just at the
48:50 end. So we got caught in uh Hurricane
48:52 Erin was coming through the Atlantic. So
48:54 that was over the east coast. We had a
48:55 100 miles to finish. And in Grinder,
48:57 there was a volcano going off that had
48:59 poisonous gas. So we couldn't get too
49:00 close to that as well. Inhale that
49:02 you're dead. And then here there was one
49:04 of Europe's largest glaciers that just
49:06 sent shards of ice as big as this table.
49:08 And at night, you just couldn't see it.
49:09 You're just hitting them.
49:10 >> Oh my god.
49:11 >> The team was like, "Look, Ross, I'm so
49:12 sorry. We're going to be here for two
49:14 weeks." And I was like, "No, no, no. I'm
49:15 I'm so sorry. I need I need to get
49:17 back." You know, and it was that that
49:19 form of motivation at the end just
49:22 knowing you had that hard deadline that
49:24 I just I jellyfish coming off my face,
49:27 tongue falling off from saltwater
49:28 exposure. It didn't matter. I was like,
49:30 I'm not not being back for the birth of
49:32 my son. And I made it back, like I said,
49:33 by 3 days.
49:34 >> Wow.
49:35 >> Yeah. It got But it got nuts.
49:36 >> Well, it's very it's a very primal
49:38 feeling. It it ignites something in you
49:40 that does not exist in people that don't
49:42 have children. I don't think I don't
49:44 think I mean I I am very careful about
49:46 this. I do not think you have to have
49:48 children. I don't like to shame people
49:50 that don't want to have kids. I don't
49:51 like shame people people who never had
49:53 kids. I don't think it's I think you can
49:55 be a wonderful person and contribute to
49:57 the world without children.
49:59 >> But I could just say for me it changed
50:01 who I am. It changed it changed me in a
50:03 in a very profound way. And I always
50:06 bring up this Dave Chappelle quote, so I
50:07 apologize to people who've heard it
50:09 before, but he said something very
50:10 profound once in the parking lot of the
50:12 comedy store. He said, "Not only did
50:14 having children change the amount of
50:16 love that I have," he goes, "it changed
50:18 my capacity for love."
50:21 >> I love that.
50:22 >> Yeah. And it did that for me. And it
50:24 also did for me this other very profound
50:26 thing where it made me stop looking at
50:29 people as a static thing. When I met if
50:32 I met a guy and he's 40 and he's an
50:34 [ __ ] I'm like, "Fuck that guy. He's
50:35 a [ __ ] asshole." I don't think that
50:38 way anymore. Now, I mean, sometimes I
50:40 do. is if I'm short-tempered, if I'm in
50:42 a bad mood, if I'm t, you know, I'm in a
50:44 rush, under stress, I can have slips,
50:46 I'm not perfect at this, but when I'm at
50:49 peace, I look at that guy as a baby.
50:52 That's a baby. That's someone's little
50:53 boy. And [ __ ] didn't go well for him.
50:56 There was a series of either bad
50:58 decisions or bad experiences or bad
51:01 parenting or bad judgment or bad luck.
51:04 And now here he is, just a [ __ ] mess.
51:07 And that's why I have a hard time seeing
51:09 homeless people. It it it genuinely
51:12 bothers me. I never see homeless people
51:14 and I'm I go [ __ ] that guy. I will go
51:15 [ __ ] that guy if they're like getting
51:17 close to my kids and they're being
51:18 aggressive and they're schizophrenic.
51:20 >> But most of the time I think that that
51:22 was somebody's baby. That's somebody's
51:24 baby.
51:24 >> I'm exactly the same. It completely
51:26 changes. It changes your like
51:27 biochemistry. I was talking to Huberman
51:29 about this and I I really hormonally I
51:31 felt I was I was always a bit selfish, a
51:34 bit single-minded in my swims and stuff.
51:36 As soon as he arrived, I was like that
51:38 that's it. Everything changes. It was
51:39 crazy. I I I think as well it was it was
51:41 strange for me because I I lost my dad
51:43 as well four years ago and then I was
51:44 becoming a dad myself. So the Iceland
51:46 swim sort of existed in this strange
51:48 world between the two. Um and that was
51:50 like really sort of big for me. I I even
51:53 said you know in my new book I talk
51:54 about how it's it's kind of this idea
51:56 that um the swim was almost a tribute to
51:58 everything that my dad had taught me but
52:00 equally a letter to my future son you
52:02 know and I hope that they look at that
52:03 and go okay yeah all the values and
52:06 everything that I was taught. Well, just
52:08 living the way you live, just by example
52:11 would be an insane role model for your
52:13 kid. I mean, you're a very unusual
52:15 person. Your your will is very odd. You
52:18 know, the your the ability to do those
52:20 kind of things I respect greatly. I
52:21 don't want to do it. I think it's
52:23 [ __ ] but I respect I respect it
52:27 greatly. You know, I'm good friends with
52:28 Cameron Haynes, and you know, he runs a
52:31 lot of these like really insane 200, 300
52:34 mile races
52:35 >> and uh I respect it. I don't think it's
52:37 good for you. I But I get what he's
52:39 doing. He's trying to find out where his
52:41 breaking point is. You know, he's trying
52:42 to push himself to his breaking point.
52:44 >> That is exactly
52:46 >> And I admire that greatly cuz that is a
52:49 noble quest. Whether or not you think
52:51 it's smart, I don't I don't think it's
52:53 smart, but but I don't want to do it.
52:56 But it is a noble quest. It is a an
52:58 absolutely noble quest. And he is
53:00 different than me. We are all different.
53:02 And everyone has this thing in their
53:04 head that they need to sort out. And
53:06 sometimes the way you sort it out is by
53:08 doing something that's [ __ ] insanely
53:10 hard to find out who you really are.
53:12 >> I think that's
53:13 >> and I think I like to do it a little bit
53:15 every day. That's my method. My method
53:17 is do a little bit every day. When I say
53:18 a little bit, like couple hours, that's
53:20 what I like. Couple hours of torture
53:22 every day. Find out who I am. And when I
53:24 take a few days off, I get nervous. I
53:26 get confused. Who am I? I don't know. I
53:28 don't know if I could do this anymore.
53:30 You know what I mean? You know those
53:31 feelings? I'm sure you even get those as
53:33 many times if you if you take a few
53:35 weeks off working out
53:36 >> and you start working out again. You're
53:37 like, "Oh my god, am I really going to
53:38 put myself through this again?"
53:40 >> It's so true,
53:41 >> right? Am I really going to go swim for
53:43 6 days again? What the [ __ ] is wrong
53:44 with me?
53:45 >> You know, so true. But I was chatting to
53:47 Hubman about this cuz I I was just I'm
53:49 so aware that my dopamine system
53:51 probably works a little bit differently,
53:52 you know, in that someone says, "Oh,
53:53 let's go do a you know, 24-hour swim." I
53:56 go and then they go, "Oh, 3 days past
53:59 bears." I'm like, "Okay, hold my beer.
54:00 I'm in. And I think that's what's so
54:02 weird. But but and I know you and
54:03 Hoopman spoke about with your anterior
54:05 midsulate cortex. And that's the only
54:07 way that I can actually for me it was so
54:10 interesting chatting to to him because
54:12 in my head when your tongue is falling
54:15 off or or you know you're just chafing
54:18 cellulitis. I I think of it like
54:19 weighing scales and you kind of got grit
54:21 or quit pain and purpose. And at any
54:24 point the anterior midsulate cortex that
54:25 part of your brain is just weighing them
54:27 up. And for me, you just need as much
54:30 pain as it is, you just need to outweigh
54:32 it with enough purpose.
54:34 >> You do that, you'll continue. If not,
54:37 and I think it's so I mean, I love the
54:39 UFC. There are certain fighters who if
54:42 you did a scan, 100% their anterior mids
54:44 singular cortex would just be like this.
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55:45 I was going to bring this up earlier.
55:46 One of the fighters got pulled from a
55:48 card a few years back. I can't remember
55:50 when, but it was because of uh exactly
55:52 what you were talking about like
55:53 creatine levels in his blood. And I was
55:56 like, "What?" I was confused at the
55:57 time. I didn't know like what that
55:59 meant. I was like, "What? Creatine? What
56:01 does that mean? Took too much creatine?"
56:02 Like, "No, his body is so broken down
56:04 from training. It's not safe for him to
56:06 fight." Like, how's that possible? Like,
56:08 how does somebody show up at the actual
56:10 fight day blown out? Junior Dos Santos,
56:13 fighting is worth the health risk
56:14 because it's everything to me. Was it
56:16 Junior?
56:17 >> Wow.
56:18 >> He got pulled from a fight.
56:19 >> It said CK down here.
56:23 >> Yeah. So I think there you go. Rabdomyis
56:26 breaking down. Yeah.
56:27 >> Muscle fiber treatable.
56:29 >> Oh, but I don't think that he got pulled
56:31 from the fight. I think this is just
56:34 what happened to him in that fight. So
56:36 that fight
56:37 >> was I believe.
56:38 >> So he had two fights with well he had
56:40 three fights with Kane Velasquez. Kane
56:43 Velasquez has the greatest cardio of any
56:45 heavyweight that ever lived. They used
56:47 to call him Cardio Kane. It was a freaky
56:50 gift that he had. And it was also his
56:52 understanding of management of cardio
56:54 was incredible. He never threw anything
56:56 full blast. Everything was like 60 70%
56:59 but with perfect technique and he would
57:01 just never get tired. Like never get
57:03 tired. And the first fight Junior Dos
57:06 Santos caught him with a big right hand
57:08 and knocked him out. It was on Fox. It
57:10 was a big deal. Then they have this
57:11 rematch. In the rematch, Kane's healthy.
57:13 The first fight he went into with a
57:14 blown out knee and his knee wrapped up.
57:16 He [ __ ] up his meniscus like in
57:17 training. And then in the second fight,
57:20 he's fully healthy and he mauls Junior
57:22 dos San Hantos and it's a war. It's a
57:24 five round crazy war where it looks like
57:26 they're both gonna well it looks like
57:28 Junior's gonna die. It looks like he's
57:29 going to die and then he does it again
57:31 in the second fight. They have a third
57:33 fight rather second rematch. The second
57:34 rematch the same same sort of result.
57:36 Kane just mauls him. Like Kane was just
57:39 Kane was on a completely different level
57:41 to everybody else when it came to
57:43 cardio. guys would get this thousand
57:45 yard stare in the second round like I
57:47 can't do this for five rounds. I can't I
57:49 can't keep this guy off me. It's
57:50 impossible.
57:52 >> And so if he got rabbedo from that
57:53 fight, I would not be surprised though.
57:55 I I bet a lot of fighters get rabbedo
57:58 after the fights
57:59 >> cuz some of those fights they're on
58:01 death's [ __ ] door. They're on death's
58:04 door.
58:04 >> I think one of the worst got to be Lola
58:07 McDonald, right?
58:08 >> Oh my god. Oh my god. one of the one of
58:11 the craziest life or death fights in the
58:15 history of the sport.
58:16 >> And
58:16 >> and they stared each other down in the
58:18 final round.
58:19 >> I know. They're staring each other down
58:21 and blood is pouring out of both of
58:22 their faces. Robbie's lip is split
58:25 halfway open. The whole thing was not
58:27 the end of it. When I was interviewing
58:29 him, half of his lip is like open like a
58:31 slice of pie.
58:33 >> It's [ __ ] insane. And he's saying how
58:36 he's never going to quit. and I'm going
58:37 to keep coming and keep coming and I'm
58:39 never going to stop. And I was like,
58:41 "Holy shit." This guy just got through
58:43 five rounds of the most violent [ __ ]
58:45 ever. Look at the two of them just
58:46 staring each other down.
58:48 >> It was unbelievable.
58:49 >> Like,
58:50 >> yeah.
58:51 >> Life or death. Like they got they got to
58:53 to the death store and it Rory when he
58:56 collapsed, it's like his nose had been
58:58 shattered and the pain was just
59:00 overwhelmed his brain. His body shut off
59:03 and he just collapsed. He couldn't
59:04 couldn't take it anymore. It was crazy,
59:07 too. Yeah. When they're staring at each
59:09 other before the final round like
59:11 [ __ ]
59:12 >> Is that the worst?
59:12 >> Look at Robbie screaming in the crowd
59:14 with his arms up.
59:15 >> So, what I think is going on there,
59:17 there's a few I think there's like
59:18 stress induced analesia. The way that
59:20 like an injured animal will bite off its
59:22 arm to get out of a trap that must be
59:24 going on. So, just pain suppression,
59:26 norepinephrine, everything.
59:28 >> There's a there's also some [ __ ]
59:30 genetics. Robbie Law's got some caveman
59:33 jeans, son.
59:34 >> Pardon me. He's got some warrior jeans.
59:37 That dude, that's in his DNA. I've been
59:39 watching that kid fight since he was 20
59:41 years old. He's a [ __ ] savage. Like a
59:45 savage to the core. One of the greatest
59:46 knockouts in the history of the sport
59:48 happened when Robbie was fighting up a
59:50 division. So he he was fighting this guy
59:52 Melvin Manhof. And Melvin Manhof is a
59:56 kickboxer, a very high level kickboxer
59:59 who came out of Mike's gym in Amsterdam.
1:00:01 Mike's gym in Amsterdam is legendary.
1:00:03 produced Bhari.
1:00:05 Uh there's like a a a series of like
1:00:10 wicked kickboxers came out of Mike's gym
1:00:13 and Melvin Manov sort of epitomized that
1:00:15 style. They were hyper aggressive and
1:00:17 Melvin is built like you. Like look at
1:00:19 him.
1:00:19 >> Oh my god.
1:00:20 >> So Melvin in this fight, Melvin is
1:00:22 chewing up Robbiey's legs. He keeps leg
1:00:25 kicking them. I mean he's punishing his
1:00:27 legs. Melvin was so fast and so
1:00:29 powerful. and they get in the exchange
1:00:31 and boom, Robbie hits him with one punch
1:00:33 and knocks him out. If you and he's just
1:00:35 out cold like look at they zoom in on
1:00:37 his face. He's just he's in the shadow
1:00:39 realm right now. But if you go to
1:00:40 earlier in the fight like what Melvin
1:00:43 was doing to him, it was a crazy
1:00:45 comeback. Like go earlier in the fight.
1:00:47 Melvin is all over him. I mean he's so
1:00:50 dangerous and so fast.
1:00:54 Like Melvin was putting him in really
1:00:56 bad spots. He kept rocking him. And when
1:00:59 you talk about like highlevel
1:01:01 kickboxers, Melvin was elite. I mean,
1:01:03 like perfect technique, ridiculous power
1:01:06 and athleticism and just a warrior
1:01:08 spirit just attack you from the he would
1:01:10 come out for his fights with a dog
1:01:12 collar on. But he had like a spike dog
1:01:15 collar and be dancing getting ready for
1:01:17 his fights. Terrifying human being.
1:01:20 >> He's he's scary. I think going back to
1:01:22 the Berserker, um, there's such a
1:01:24 parallel between him and Alex Pereira,
1:01:25 you know, that idea like with the Jaguar
1:01:27 style, you know, embodying the spirit of
1:01:29 an animal. I mean, I don't know about
1:01:31 Melvin, I would be terrified if I if I
1:01:33 was in the cage and I saw Pereira
1:01:34 walking out.
1:01:35 >> Well, do you know the the team, the
1:01:36 Fighting Nerds,
1:01:38 >> of course. Yeah. So, the head dude, uh,
1:01:41 I can't I'm blanking on his name, but I
1:01:42 was just watching this video about, uh,
1:01:45 uh, Carlos Prates, who is one of my
1:01:47 all-time favorites right now in in the
1:01:49 UFC in the welterweight division. And
1:01:50 one of the things they were talking
1:01:51 about is how he has his fighters mimic
1:01:55 animals
1:01:56 >> and he studies animals and animals
1:01:58 fighting to the death online, and that
1:02:00 it's all about controlling the space.
1:02:03 Like you they they gave an example of
1:02:05 the mongoose and the cobra. And it's not
1:02:08 that the mongoose is faster than the
1:02:10 cobra or more deadly than the cobra.
1:02:12 It's the mongoose is a master of
1:02:14 controlling space. The mongoose is like
1:02:16 fainting. Like as he's coming into the
1:02:18 cobra he's like moving in a little bit.
1:02:20 Yeah. Pablo. Pablo is a brilliant guy
1:02:23 and he's the one I mean they really are
1:02:25 nerds. Like they really do like data
1:02:27 analytics and they study all moves that
1:02:29 work and moves that don't work and what
1:02:31 happens at what percentage of time. like
1:02:33 he's got a very datadriven approach to
1:02:35 MMA training, but also like super
1:02:37 open-minded cuz he's like considering
1:02:39 animal movements.
1:02:40 >> That's amazing.
1:02:41 >> Yeah. And the things that he was talking
1:02:43 about was monguses and cobras. And they
1:02:45 had this example and it shows like these
1:02:48 monguses. They're essentially like
1:02:51 juking with the cobra. They're fainting.
1:02:53 They're trying to get the cobra to react
1:02:54 and they move back when the cobra reacts
1:02:56 and they sl but they're they're trying
1:02:58 to draw this cobra in and get a sense of
1:03:01 what the cobra's distance is.
1:03:03 >> That's crazy.
1:03:03 >> And all of his fighters, particularly
1:03:05 Carlos, is a master at controlling
1:03:08 distance. He's always pressing forward
1:03:10 and then when you come at him, he slides
1:03:12 away and he's pressing forward and it's
1:03:14 always you're always in danger. You're
1:03:15 constantly in danger. So, you're always
1:03:17 like on the defensive and you're trying
1:03:19 to get some offense and it doesn't work
1:03:20 and then you're back on the defense.
1:03:22 Masterful.
1:03:23 >> That's fascinating. Yeah.
1:03:25 >> I think it's almost lost. It was the
1:03:27 17th century writer, English writer,
1:03:28 wasn't it? Samuel Johnson,
1:03:30 >> who said, "Become a beast to get rid of
1:03:32 the pain of being a man."
1:03:34 >> And I think so often we've lost that.
1:03:36 Certainly for me when swimming in many
1:03:38 ways, I was very much inspired by the
1:03:40 shark. You know, when I was swimming,
1:03:41 very much like the berserker, the bear.
1:03:43 And I think some of the best athletes,
1:03:45 like I said, I love Pereira and his
1:03:46 jaguar style, you know, both feet on the
1:03:48 floor, so constantly generating power.
1:03:50 But yeah, Samuel Johnson, become a beast
1:03:52 to get rid of the pain of being a man.
1:03:54 Love that quote.
1:03:55 >> That's a great quote and very applicable
1:03:58 definitely. But for most people, like
1:04:00 the the journey, the path is just too
1:04:03 daunting.
1:04:04 >> Just the idea of it is just, oh, what am
1:04:06 I going to do?
1:04:07 >> Want to start out a beginner and just
1:04:08 get humiliated all the time. [ __ ] that.
1:04:11 It's just like doesn't seem fun at all,
1:04:14 you know? And they don't want to do it.
1:04:15 And so then they'll dismiss it and talk
1:04:17 and then it becomes toxic masculinity
1:04:20 which is adorable.
1:04:22 >> That was adorable.
1:04:23 >> I think I think also what's what I found
1:04:25 so interesting is again I was trying to
1:04:27 h about this but the the different parts
1:04:29 of the brain. So your vententral
1:04:30 striatum the part of the brain that's
1:04:31 almost um involved in expectation reward
1:04:35 and reality. So so to use a fighting
1:04:38 example when things are going well for a
1:04:40 fighter what's happening the vententral
1:04:42 strumm is going okay I've done this and
1:04:44 that and I'm winning. It's prime Conor
1:04:45 McGregor. It's prime Anderson Silva,
1:04:48 it's modern-day Ilia Tapura. You know
1:04:50 that everything's going well. But as
1:04:52 soon as that goes wrong, something goes
1:04:55 wrong, all of a sudden dopamine
1:04:57 plummets, vententral stratum goes,
1:04:58 "Okay, that behavior is now not
1:05:00 working." And I think it's been so
1:05:02 interesting seeing fighters. The same
1:05:04 with it when when I'm swimming, I can
1:05:05 get caught in a countercurren. There's
1:05:07 been times where I swim and they go,
1:05:08 "Ross, you got to swim for 4 hours to
1:05:10 swim out of this massive whirlpool." I
1:05:12 swim for 4 hours, head down, head down
1:05:14 like that. My alarm goes off. I look at
1:05:15 my watch. I go, "Guys, how far have we
1:05:16 swam?" And they go, "Ross, you you've
1:05:18 been swimming on the same spot. You've
1:05:20 not moved. You just been swimming on the
1:05:21 same spot for four hours." And I think
1:05:23 it's interesting that that it's not just
1:05:25 losing, it's actually like the brain,
1:05:28 the biochemistry just implodes. And I
1:05:31 think you kind of saw that. Like I said,
1:05:33 I think
1:05:33 >> what happened in your mind when you
1:05:35 found out you were in the same spot for
1:05:36 4 hours.
1:05:37 >> I mean, it's like I said, it's not just
1:05:39 a loss understanding the neuroscience of
1:05:41 it. basically the vententral stratitum
1:05:43 going this isn't working dopamine is no
1:05:45 longer released all of a sudden it is
1:05:47 just like a dark biochemical cloud and
1:05:51 when you understand that you can start
1:05:54 to try to process out of it
1:05:55 >> how'd you get out of that
1:05:56 >> I'm glad you asked there's another part
1:05:57 of the brain as well called the
1:05:58 dorsolateral prefrontal cortex and
1:06:00 that's involved in strategy so
1:06:02 essentially when you are completely
1:06:03 losing vententral stratum goes this
1:06:06 isn't working so when I'm swimming
1:06:08 tongue's falling off neck chafing
1:06:10 cellulitis vententral central strumm
1:06:12 this is not working and then you've got
1:06:14 two options again this is an
1:06:15 oversimplification but in my head this
1:06:17 is how I basically um map it out
1:06:19 anterior mids singular cortex grit or
1:06:21 quit pain and purpose discipline you
1:06:23 just do it because you said you were
1:06:24 going to do it you just grit your teeth
1:06:25 and get through it or dorsolateral
1:06:28 prefrontal cortex over here which is
1:06:29 more strategy and sometimes you can just
1:06:31 completely reframe what you're doing you
1:06:34 can change technique and everything as
1:06:35 well when you're swimming but sometimes
1:06:37 just reframing that suffering you know a
1:06:39 great man said be the hero of your movie
1:06:41 and I think um looking at the hero's
1:06:43 journey as well um I think that's so
1:06:46 interesting where Joseph Campbell talks
1:06:48 about that idea of just kind of the the
1:06:50 hero slaying your dragon innermost cave
1:06:52 battling. So I think sometimes that
1:06:54 strategy is just reframing your
1:06:56 suffering when you're constantly losing
1:06:59 >> and how long did it take you to get out
1:07:00 of that whirlpool?
1:07:02 >> I think we were we were there for most
1:07:04 of that day. most of that day and then
1:07:06 with the tide because basically over the
1:07:07 top of Iceland it's like a giant bay so
1:07:10 you get counterurrens whirlpools and
1:07:13 eventually with everything that's
1:07:14 happening you'll eventually be able to
1:07:15 swim out of it
1:07:16 >> eventually.
1:07:17 >> Yeah.
1:07:18 >> Yeah. But you can
1:07:19 >> Yeah.
1:07:19 >> Jamie's dead
1:07:25 in me.
1:07:26 >> I'm dead too, [ __ ] I'm dead too,
1:07:28 [ __ ]
1:07:28 >> How How much can you swim? Can you swim
1:07:30 good?
1:07:31 >> Yeah.
1:07:32 >> Come on. I don't I mean what's What do
1:07:34 you mean? You mean like in a [ __ ]
1:07:35 whirlpool in the middle of the ocean,
1:07:37 dog? It's 20° out.
1:07:39 >> I could probably hand I don't know how
1:07:41 strong of an under. I've never been.
1:07:42 >> I'd be dead in 15 minutes. In 15
1:07:44 minutes, I'm underwater
1:07:45 >> in the ocean. I could probably save
1:07:47 someone.
1:07:48 >> You could save someone
1:07:49 >> depending on the waves.
1:07:50 >> J, you know who saved somebody? Greg
1:07:51 Simmons.
1:07:52 >> Did you ever hear that story? Didn't he
1:07:54 tell it on the podcast?
1:07:55 >> Yeah.
1:07:55 >> I wouldn't go out though. I wouldn't
1:07:57 test my
1:07:57 >> Some lady was on vacation. Some lady was
1:07:59 drowning. He jumped in the water and
1:08:01 rescued her.
1:08:02 >> Oh,
1:08:02 >> yeah. Yeah. She was offshore and I guess
1:08:06 the riptide caught her
1:08:08 >> and uh Greg risked his [ __ ] life.
1:08:10 Went out there and grabbed her and
1:08:11 helped her.
1:08:12 >> What a legend.
1:08:13 >> Legend. I was like, "Damn, dude." I'm
1:08:15 like, "Did you think at one point?"
1:08:16 Because his family was there, too. He's
1:08:18 on vacation. I was like, "Do you think
1:08:20 that maybe you wouldn't be able to make
1:08:21 it back? Did you worry about that?" He's
1:08:23 like, "Yeah,
1:08:24 >> cuz it's crazy. People don't
1:08:25 understand." Like certainly on
1:08:27 >> drowning people are dangerous.
1:08:28 >> Yeah. because they'll hold on to you and
1:08:30 you won't be able to like get them to
1:08:31 relax
1:08:32 >> and then they won't let go of you and
1:08:34 then you're both drowning.
1:08:35 >> Exactly. It's in ICE on the south coast.
1:08:37 It's called Rainers Foda. It's
1:08:38 considered like literally one of the
1:08:39 most dangerous beaches in the world and
1:08:41 they have these sneaker waves that just
1:08:43 come from nowhere and we were there and
1:08:46 I think it was a family. I think it was
1:08:47 a little girl who lost her life. But
1:08:49 witnessing it as well, there were so
1:08:51 many tourists who thought it was fun to
1:08:53 run up as close as they could and as the
1:08:55 waves crash over, they get a selfie and
1:08:56 they run. And I was like, I don't I
1:08:58 don't want to be like, oh, here we go.
1:09:00 What the [ __ ] dude? That's like some
1:09:02 [ __ ] right out of Lord of the Rings.
1:09:03 Look at that. That doesn't even look
1:09:04 real.
1:09:05 >> That looks like Mordor.
1:09:06 >> The sneaker waves from there. They will
1:09:08 come from nowhere and they would just
1:09:10 absolutely Yeah.
1:09:11 >> [ __ ] you.
1:09:12 >> There you see the tourists there.
1:09:13 >> I don't go anywhere near that [ __ ] [ __ ]
1:09:15 you.
1:09:15 >> Oh, there you go. Yeah. So, you would
1:09:16 have tourists when we were there and I
1:09:18 felt I was so conflicted cuz I was I was
1:09:21 like, look, I don't want to be a killjoy
1:09:23 or anything. There's people taking
1:09:24 pictures while sitting on those rocks
1:09:26 and then you just saw massive waves. We
1:09:28 left and then an hour later we saw
1:09:31 helicopters overhead. We heard
1:09:33 ambulances and we we knew the worst.
1:09:35 >> Yeah, you can die. You can die doing
1:09:37 that. That is a guy who was a WWE
1:09:39 wrestler died a few years ago.
1:09:41 >> He got caught in a a rip a rip tide,
1:09:44 right? Is that what happened to him?
1:09:44 >> That's what I was thinking of was I was
1:09:46 saying like I think that was like on
1:09:47 Venice Beach or Santa Monica.
1:09:48 >> I think you're right. I think it was in
1:09:49 Venice. Yeah, man. It's [ __ ]
1:09:51 terrifying. If you don't know how to
1:09:52 swim, the ocean is a monster, man.
1:09:54 >> Oh, yeah. Even on on certain parts as
1:09:56 well, when you get wind over tide,
1:09:57 that's the worst. The tides going one
1:09:59 way, wind's going the other, and we get
1:10:00 what's called the overfalls. And
1:10:02 swimming over there, it was nuts.
1:10:04 There's the waves. They're not rolling
1:10:07 anymore. They're detonating. That's the
1:10:08 only way I can describe it. It's just
1:10:10 going off around you. And when you're
1:10:11 swimming in there as well, what's
1:10:12 happening underneath is all the
1:10:14 jellyfish are just getting smashed on
1:10:15 the rocks. So, as you're swimming,
1:10:17 jellyfish tentacles are literally going
1:10:19 up your nose, in your ear. You're
1:10:21 inhaling them as well.
1:10:22 >> Oh, great. That's got to be good for
1:10:24 you.
1:10:26 >> Jellyfish can [ __ ] you up, too.
1:10:28 >> Yeah. Yeah.
1:10:28 >> They'll sting the [ __ ] out of you,
1:10:29 especially the wrong ones.
1:10:30 >> The ones in Iceland are all right, but I
1:10:31 think after you take maybe like five or
1:10:34 six, they start attacking your lymph
1:10:36 nodes. You start scratching under your
1:10:37 armpits or over your groin. My youngest
1:10:39 daughter got u a little bit just a touch
1:10:42 from a jellyfish in Costa Rica
1:10:45 >> and oh my god it was horrible. She was
1:10:46 in agony. It was terrible. And they keep
1:10:49 like stuff on the beach that you pour on
1:10:50 them cuz it happens so often
1:10:52 >> and people get zapped by jelly. It's not
1:10:54 they're not dangerous. They don't kill
1:10:55 you but they [ __ ] hurt like hell.
1:10:57 >> Yeah. Yeah.
1:10:59 >> Dude, the the ocean itself is just like
1:11:01 the like what's interesting about all
1:11:03 those people in that photograph that's
1:11:05 in that video that are watching and
1:11:07 standing. Isn't it fascinating how
1:11:09 people are drawn to that abyss? They're
1:11:12 drawn to the the majesty of that water,
1:11:15 just the vastness of it. There's
1:11:17 something about that that I think is
1:11:20 really good for people. I I think it's
1:11:22 one of the reason why people like going
1:11:23 to the ocean and sitting on the beach. I
1:11:25 think there's something about that that
1:11:26 just calms people the [ __ ] down because
1:11:28 it puts you into perspective. It's like,
1:11:29 "Hey, [ __ ] look out at all that
1:11:31 [ __ ] water, okay? You can't live in
1:11:33 any of that." All right? You are so
1:11:36 nothing. And that's why I think beach
1:11:38 towns are so chill.
1:11:40 >> Like beach towns are not like like why
1:11:43 is uh downtown Manhattan so [ __ ] you.
1:11:47 Everybody's like hyped up.
1:11:49 >> It's because they're surrounded by
1:11:50 people created [ __ ] If you you're just
1:11:53 standing there staring at the vastness
1:11:55 of the ocean. You're like, "All right,
1:11:56 relax." And then at night time you see
1:11:58 the stars, too. You see the [ __ ]
1:11:59 Milky Way and then there's the ocean.
1:12:01 Like, all right, this is clearly I'm not
1:12:03 that important.
1:12:04 >> 100%.
1:12:04 >> I'm barely anything.
1:12:06 >> 100%. And like we said with Iceland with
1:12:07 some mushrooms under the northern light,
1:12:10 >> especially on the last day of your swim.
1:12:12 It's like the universe letting you know
1:12:14 you did it. You you completed your
1:12:16 journey. [ __ ] bananas, man.
1:12:18 >> This is exactly it. But I love what you
1:12:19 said there as well. I mean, certainly on
1:12:21 the swim, it was so interesting.
1:12:24 Sometime I I tried to swim with
1:12:26 gratitude as much as I can. you know,
1:12:28 swim with a smile and you're just
1:12:29 grateful to be there because I I love
1:12:32 David Gogggins and I've tried his form
1:12:34 of motivation where it's, you know, man
1:12:37 up, grit your teeth, get through this.
1:12:39 But for for me personally, after, you
1:12:41 know, a 100 days, I can't keep calling
1:12:43 myself a [ __ ] I'm just like, oh, have
1:12:46 a day off.
1:12:46 >> Listen, David is a very unique
1:12:48 character.
1:12:49 >> I don't know anybody like him, and I
1:12:51 don't recommend it. I don't recommend
1:12:53 you becoming him. Good [ __ ] luck. You
1:12:56 have to have that demon inside of you
1:12:58 like that guy does. He's a sweetheart of
1:12:59 a guy though. I love him to death.
1:13:01 >> But that dude, that fire ain't going
1:13:03 out.
1:13:04 >> He's 50 years old. That fire is not
1:13:06 going out. He does things where people
1:13:09 aren't watching. That's what's crazy
1:13:10 about David. It's not all these like
1:13:13 things where people get to see. It's not
1:13:15 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He calls
1:13:17 it being in the lab. Like every day he's
1:13:20 doing it. Like, dude, every day he's out
1:13:22 there running 20 miles. He runs with a
1:13:24 weight vest on. He he gets in from that.
1:13:27 He does weights. He does chin-ups and
1:13:29 push-ups. Like, it's not it doesn't
1:13:30 stop. It doesn't end.
1:13:32 >> And then the next day, it's another
1:13:33 thing. It's another [ __ ] insane
1:13:35 thing. And it never ends. And no one's
1:13:36 watching.
1:13:37 >> No one's watching. It's not being
1:13:39 documented. He's he's just doing it. And
1:13:42 then every now and then, he'll go out
1:13:43 and run some [ __ ] 200 mile race and
1:13:45 everybody's like, "What the [ __ ] man?"
1:13:47 Like, what are And he's also got no
1:13:48 knees. His knees are completely blown
1:13:50 apart. He's got bone on bone on both of
1:13:52 his [ __ ] knees. He's had multiple
1:13:54 operations where they had to actually
1:13:56 his bone had grown so [ __ ] up that
1:13:59 they had to chop his [ __ ] leg in half
1:14:02 and pull it down so they could make it
1:14:04 level because the the bone it's it's
1:14:07 like called what is it called? Wolf
1:14:08 syndrome or some [ __ ] where you're they
1:14:10 grind against each other. So your body
1:14:12 tries to protect itself by building
1:14:13 extra bone and when it builds it it
1:14:15 [ __ ] up the geometry of the knees. They
1:14:17 don't work correctly. So then you're
1:14:19 running like bone on bone with [ __ ] up
1:14:22 geometry and you get back pain, all
1:14:23 kinds of. So he had his [ __ ] knee
1:14:26 sawed off and and shifted downward and
1:14:30 then screwed into place and you know
1:14:31 what he did? He just got on a [ __ ]
1:14:33 bicycle and he started using a bicycle
1:14:35 then and so he's [ __ ] indoor cycling
1:14:38 all day for five six hours.
1:14:40 >> I had something actually. Yeah,
1:14:42 subocchocchromial decompression with my
1:14:43 shoulder, which um so often
1:14:45 weightlifterss will get it, but they
1:14:46 said we've never really seen it in a
1:14:47 swimmer, but it was exactly the same. I
1:14:48 needed to have the the bone shaved down
1:14:51 to make room again.
1:14:52 >> Holy [ __ ]
1:14:53 >> Yeah. Yeah, that was that the left
1:14:54 shoulder. The right's always been fine,
1:14:56 though.
1:14:56 >> So, when they shaved down the bone, did
1:14:57 they have to Is your cartilage okay or
1:15:00 >> Yeah, cartilage was fine. And it was,
1:15:01 you know, and just the bone keyhole.
1:15:03 Yeah, just there. Yeah, just went in,
1:15:04 shaved down the bone. And I was
1:15:05 >> How much bone did they shave down?
1:15:07 >> A good amount. Yeah. And after
1:15:08 >> Did you get like a little cup of it to
1:15:10 save? I should have asked, shouldn't I?
1:15:11 >> Should save that.
1:15:12 >> But I I love what you said there as well
1:15:14 because I just think Gogggins taps into
1:15:16 something that that so few people want
1:15:17 to almost address. Carl Young talked
1:15:19 about it with your shadow self. You
1:15:20 know, that part of your psyche that you
1:15:22 don't want to reveal to the world. Are
1:15:23 you aggressive, jealous, hyper
1:15:25 competitive? Um, again, it was it was
1:15:28 nature, wasn't it? Whoever fights
1:15:29 monsters should see to it that they too
1:15:31 don't become a monster. If you stare
1:15:33 into the abyss too long, the abyss will
1:15:34 stare back into you.
1:15:35 >> Yeah. And I think that's what Gogins
1:15:38 does brilliantly or Jordan Peterson as
1:15:40 well. You know, the the problem isn't
1:15:42 having a monster, it's making sure you
1:15:44 can't put it back in the cage.
1:15:45 >> Yeah.
1:15:45 >> And I think that's what Gogggins does so
1:15:47 well. And I did take inspiration from
1:15:48 that on certain swims as well where uh
1:15:51 you know, reading a few comments online,
1:15:53 people go, "He's never going to do this
1:15:54 swim. He's too big to be a swimmer. This
1:15:56 is going to fail badly."
1:15:57 >> That is the weird thing about you
1:15:59 though, like most endurance athletes
1:16:01 aren't that heavily muscled.
1:16:03 >> Yeah.
1:16:03 >> You know what I mean? That is very odd
1:16:05 when I've show pictures of you to my
1:16:07 friends and I like I talk about people
1:16:08 who have done crazy [ __ ] and I've
1:16:10 detailed some of the insane things
1:16:11 you've done, some of the insane swims
1:16:13 and they're like, "How is he doing that
1:16:14 when it's that jacked?" I'm like, "That
1:16:16 is weird, right?" Yeah. I think there's
1:16:18 a few different things to unpack. So, so
1:16:20 the first is you just need bulk. So,
1:16:23 going back to biomimicry, I we're
1:16:24 talking about that a lot now, but I
1:16:26 think what's so interesting is I want to
1:16:27 become more whalike. You know, I I think
1:16:29 absolutely you look at a pool swimmer,
1:16:31 they are poetic in the water. They're
1:16:33 amazing. They look like dolphins, a
1:16:34 makeo shark. That would be useless for
1:16:37 me when caught in an arctic storm. So, I
1:16:39 need
1:16:39 >> strength,
1:16:40 >> strength and bulk. Yeah, muscle mass
1:16:42 being thermic. So, I can generate heat
1:16:44 with every single movement. Um, but
1:16:46 equally on top of that, I think it's
1:16:47 also really interesting that through my
1:16:49 strength training, it's called met
1:16:50 mechano transduction just basically
1:16:52 means people think of strength training
1:16:53 as improving the the strength of the
1:16:54 muscles, but it's connective tissue,
1:16:56 ligaments and tendons that respond to
1:16:58 that mechanical stimuli. So, for me,
1:17:02 when swimming, I need the connective
1:17:03 tissue. My my the tendons in my rotator
1:17:06 cuff need to be bulletproof because
1:17:08 that's what's going to give up. This
1:17:10 this swim isn't going to stop because of
1:17:11 my V2 or lactic threshold. It's going to
1:17:14 stop because something tears, right?
1:17:15 >> So, that's why being like this, I'm I'm
1:17:17 not as fast, but I sacrifice that for
1:17:20 being more physically robust.
1:17:21 >> That makes sense.
1:17:22 >> And I think finally, this is something
1:17:24 as well which is really interesting at
1:17:25 the moment. So, I'm a huge fan of Cam
1:17:27 Makavoy, the 50 m world record holder
1:17:30 for freestyle, and he's just rewritten
1:17:31 the rule book on swimming. Basically,
1:17:33 there's a direct correlation between
1:17:34 your one rep max on pull-ups and your
1:17:36 swim sprint speed. And he's really
1:17:38 >> Yeah. Really real strong correlation.
1:17:41 So, he's now basically doing one rep max
1:17:44 with pull-ups with 80, 90 kilos and just
1:17:47 speed reps as well, Joe. Just ripping.
1:17:50 And you see what he's done. He's He's
1:17:52 barely swimming in terms of
1:17:54 >> 90 kilos.
1:17:55 >> Yeah, he's an absolute savage.
1:17:57 >> Isn't that like 185 lbs or some [ __ ]
1:17:59 What is that?
1:18:00 >> Yeah. Yeah. It's on his Instagram
1:18:01 recently did it with 80. He's he's an
1:18:03 absolute spe.
1:18:04 >> And how many how many chin-ups is he
1:18:06 doing that way?
1:18:06 >> I think he was doing about three. He's
1:18:08 an absolute specimen. Yeah. And watch.
1:18:10 So that's that's swimming. That's that's
1:18:12 sprinting. So obviously that's that's
1:18:14 not endurance. But taking inspiration
1:18:16 from that, you have what's called your
1:18:17 strength reserve. So, strength reserve
1:18:19 just basically means if you are capable
1:18:21 of doing a pull-up with 100 kilos, that
1:18:24 means your own body weight is a
1:18:26 basically a smaller percentage of what
1:18:28 you're capable of. Here we go.
1:18:30 >> Is that him? There he goes.
1:18:31 >> Uh 80 kilos.
1:18:33 >> That's insane. And what is it? What is
1:18:34 it, Jamie? Did we figure out what that
1:18:36 is?
1:18:36 >> I mean, I'll ask my phone.
1:18:37 >> It's 2.2. So, it's like 176, I think.
1:18:40 >> What is 80 kg in pounds?
1:18:43 >> But look how
1:18:46 >> Yeah, 176. That's crazy.
1:18:49 >> He's amazing.
1:18:50 >> And he's completely rewritten the rule
1:18:52 books when it comes to swims. Like I
1:18:54 said, 50 um world record holder at the
1:18:57 moment. Oh,
1:18:57 >> that's crazy. He's doing that.
1:18:59 >> Three sets of five with 50 kg. And so
1:19:03 this is just to generate strength for
1:19:05 the sprinting.
1:19:06 >> Exactly. That you think about it, if
1:19:07 your one rep max on pull-ups is so good,
1:19:09 every single stroke is almost like a
1:19:10 unilateral, a single lit limb pull down.
1:19:13 So he's just ripping through the water
1:19:16 like that. But what's been really
1:19:17 interesting is traditionally you used to
1:19:19 just swim for miles and miles. It was
1:19:21 almost we call it like uh garbage
1:19:23 yardage that you just swimming swimming
1:19:25 swimming. He was swimming sometimes in
1:19:26 his sets like 800 m which is my warm up
1:19:29 but it was just all flat out. So he's
1:19:32 revolutionized swimming. So that's
1:19:34 sprinting. But what I taken from it,
1:19:36 like I said, your strength reserve,
1:19:37 basically, if you're capable of a huge
1:19:40 one rep max on pull-ups, it means that
1:19:42 every single stroke that you take is a
1:19:44 smaller percentage of what you're
1:19:45 capable of. I think the best example I
1:19:48 can think of like this is a good friend
1:19:49 of mine, Eddie Hall, uh, World Strong's
1:19:51 man, first guy to deadlift 500 kilos.
1:19:53 Uh, he entered a CrossFit competition
1:19:55 and there was a particular wad. It was
1:19:58 60 kilos. There's a brilliant video if
1:19:59 you've seen it, Jamie, but there's it's
1:20:01 60 kilos and you see these CrossFitters,
1:20:04 they're upped overhead and it's a clean
1:20:06 and it's a beautiful push press, but
1:20:09 because Eddie is so strong and he's got
1:20:12 such a big strength reserve, he
1:20:14 basically, as you're about to see now,
1:20:17 just I mean, that's a front delt raise
1:20:20 mixed with a row. You see what that's
1:20:23 crazy? If you don't know, that is so
1:20:26 much harder to do it that way. 60 kilos.
1:20:28 I believe 60 kilos. And so, like I said,
1:20:30 the CrossFitters, perfect technique.
1:20:32 They clean it to the chest and then they
1:20:34 are bending their knees and they are
1:20:36 [ __ ] ain't even touching his chest.
1:20:37 That's crazy.
1:20:38 >> It's a front delt raise kind of with a
1:20:41 rope.
1:20:41 >> That's literally insane. If you don't
1:20:43 know, that's literally insane.
1:20:45 >> But my point here is I mean Eddie's an
1:20:47 absolute specimen, but my point here is
1:20:49 is he doesn't train for this. This is
1:20:52 completely he doesn't this isn't his
1:20:53 >> clearly cuz he doesn't do that movement
1:20:55 at all. If he did that movement, he
1:20:56 wouldn't be doing it that way.
1:20:58 >> But he's got an immense strength
1:20:59 reserve. And so that's my point, dude.
1:21:03 >> Actually, he broke the record.
1:21:06 >> That is so insane. That's so insane that
1:21:09 he did that that way. Now watch a
1:21:11 regular crossfitter do it. Can you show
1:21:12 a regular crossfitter do it?
1:21:14 >> It's not on this video.
1:21:15 >> Regular, but you can find it. Regular
1:21:16 crossfitters, they catch it on their
1:21:18 chest.
1:21:19 >> Is Exactly.
1:21:19 >> And then they step back
1:21:21 >> as a poetic technique. And so that
1:21:23 that's my point. So, coming back to the
1:21:25 the swimming that as strong as I get
1:21:27 when I'm strength training, it just
1:21:28 means that every single stroke over the
1:21:30 Arctic Circle is a smaller fraction of
1:21:33 what I'm capable of.
1:21:34 >> That makes sense. That makes sense. And
1:21:36 then you have to be able to have that
1:21:38 fine line between endurance and bulk
1:21:40 >> is exactly.
1:21:41 >> So, muscular endurance and you know, but
1:21:44 also having strength
1:21:45 >> is exactly it. I think also what was
1:21:47 really interesting, an MRI scan
1:21:48 revealed, so you have slow twitch fibers
1:21:50 that are very resistance to fatigue.
1:21:51 They're your ultramarathon runners. Then
1:21:53 you have your fast twitch fibers that
1:21:54 are sprint speed power and and what was
1:21:57 so strange is on my MRI they said Ross
1:21:59 you have an unusual proportion of fast
1:22:01 oxidative glycolytic fibers. So they're
1:22:03 basically in between the two. They're
1:22:05 able to produce a lot of force but
1:22:07 they're very resistance to fatigue as
1:22:08 well.
1:22:09 >> Is that cultivated?
1:22:10 >> Interesting. They said I think I had a
1:22:13 genetic predisposition for that but with
1:22:15 the amount of training I've done I've
1:22:16 also nurtured it.
1:22:17 >> Interesting. How do they know that you
1:22:19 have a genetic predisposition for it if
1:22:21 they didn't examine you before you
1:22:22 started all this training?
1:22:23 >> It was all theory. Yeah, they said
1:22:24 >> that's my question is I wonder how much
1:22:26 of it is adaptable. Wonder of how much
1:22:28 of what we say, oh, he has a genetic
1:22:30 advantage. Like are we sure
1:22:32 >> or or did this guy's body change because
1:22:35 of necessity?
1:22:36 >> It made intuitive sense when
1:22:38 >> what would you call that? A clean press?
1:22:40 >> The what Eddie Hall did?
1:22:42 >> Uh
1:22:43 no, it's there's a
1:22:45 >> it's part of a workout called the
1:22:46 Isabel. I just thank you.
1:22:48 >> It's called the Isabella itself.
1:22:51 >> So this is Noah Olsen who's an absolute
1:22:53 specimen by the way competed in more
1:22:56 >> catching it and then using his legs to
1:22:58 to complete it. So he's doing it.
1:23:00 Awesome. This is perfect technique. Look
1:23:02 at that. Catching it.
1:23:03 >> Oh, so they're not catching it on their
1:23:05 chest and pressing.
1:23:06 >> It's like a snatch press kind of
1:23:08 something.
1:23:09 >> Okay. So he's So it's called the
1:23:11 Isabella. But do you see the rest I
1:23:13 suppose between sets compared to the
1:23:15 right the the delus and and like I said
1:23:16 no is a good friend. He's an absolute
1:23:18 specimen.
1:23:20 >> What is uh what is the term wad? What
1:23:22 does that stand for again?
1:23:23 >> Of the day.
1:23:24 >> There you go.
1:23:25 >> What is it? Workout of the day of the
1:23:26 day.
1:23:27 >> And e-oms is uh reps per minute, right?
1:23:31 >> Isn't that what it is?
1:23:32 >> Where are we? Is it
1:23:34 >> okay? So this workout of the day is a
1:23:36 whole bunch of these.
1:23:37 >> Oh, 30 snatches. I think this one's
1:23:39 different. Actually, it might be
1:23:40 different.
1:23:42 Well, the I did the Eddie it said that
1:23:44 he he did that particular Isabelle
1:23:46 benchmark workout in 50 seconds. So, I
1:23:48 think that's
1:23:49 >> I mean that's just what I'm going off
1:23:50 of. I was trying to find
1:23:51 >> interesting if it's something different.
1:23:52 My bad. But
1:23:53 >> no, but yeah. But it does illustrate
1:23:56 >> interesting. Uh beating the previous
1:23:58 male record previously associated with
1:24:00 figures like Rich Froing, but Rich
1:24:02 Froing is like way smaller than him,
1:24:04 >> which is crazy
1:24:06 >> that he could do that cuz it's the same
1:24:08 weight, right?
1:24:09 >> Is it the same weight they're all using?
1:24:10 Yeah. Yeah. It will be 60. Yeah.
1:24:12 >> That's even nuts that Rich Froin could
1:24:14 do that with cuz I don't think his body
1:24:17 weight is anywhere even close to that.
1:24:20 >> Eddie Hall's 300 plus pounds, right?
1:24:23 He's got a bit leaner now as well.
1:24:25 >> Yeah, he he's getting smaller. Well,
1:24:26 he's done some MMA fights and [ __ ]
1:24:28 >> Yeah. With Tommy as well. Did you see he
1:24:30 went the distance as well with Tommy
1:24:31 Fury boxing?
1:24:32 >> Yes. Crazy.
1:24:33 >> I think they both won that fight. It was
1:24:34 amazing in that, you know. Yeah. No one
1:24:36 expected him to go that far. You know
1:24:38 what I was really impressed with when he
1:24:40 had a boxing match with the mountain.
1:24:42 And what I was really impressed with was
1:24:44 The Mountain. I never say his name
1:24:46 correctly. How do you say his name?
1:24:48 >> Thor Bjönson, I believe.
1:24:49 >> Bjönson. Bjönson.
1:24:50 >> Thor Bjönson. Yeah.
1:24:51 >> He didn't use his strength. Like he was
1:24:54 throwing punches like with perfect
1:24:55 technique. He was throwing punches like
1:24:57 a boxer. like he learned how to whoever
1:25:00 trained him,
1:25:01 >> they did an amazing job because the guys
1:25:03 obviously got ridiculous power, but he
1:25:06 he he's like throwing punches correctly
1:25:09 and he dropped Eddie Hall a few times
1:25:11 whereas Eddie Hall is just winging at
1:25:12 him with the these wild power shots.
1:25:15 Thor is moving around him and look, see
1:25:17 how he's throwing his technique. It's
1:25:18 very clean, man. Even his jab,
1:25:21 >> look at that. It's he's not
1:25:22 overextending. M
1:25:24 >> I mean he clearly is like a new boxer
1:25:26 but a very good athlete and is figuring
1:25:29 out how to use his his technique and and
1:25:32 recognize that the power is always going
1:25:34 to be there cuz he's so [ __ ] huge.
1:25:36 >> He dropped him a few times in that at
1:25:38 least once in that fight.
1:25:39 >> I find that amazing when sometimes like
1:25:41 the laws of martial arts sometimes need
1:25:43 to be slightly bent for people that
1:25:45 size. You know again having rolled with
1:25:47 certain people like they you get an arm
1:25:48 bar and they just stand up with you.
1:25:50 >> Yeah. Well that's a problem. Like
1:25:51 there's certain techn Marcelo Garcia who
1:25:54 was the giant killer. He famously would
1:25:56 just go for necks like because he felt
1:25:59 like a kamura like he obviously he knew
1:26:02 how to use a kamura. He's a very high
1:26:03 level black belt. One of the greatest
1:26:05 grapplers of all time if not the
1:26:06 greatest. And Marcelo never hit Kamuras.
1:26:09 He would just get necks. So he became a
1:26:11 neck specialist. So his whole thing was
1:26:13 high elbow guillotine and rear naked
1:26:15 choke. If you got your back you're
1:26:17 [ __ ] And that was what how he was
1:26:19 able to defeat much larger opponents
1:26:21 because you can't really defend. If he
1:26:23 can get that rear neaked choke around
1:26:24 your neck and stop the blood to your
1:26:26 brain,
1:26:27 >> that's it. You go to sleep. Like you you
1:26:29 can not tap. If someone gets you an arm
1:26:31 bar, you can allow your arm to get
1:26:32 broken. And I've seen it happen a lot of
1:26:34 times. But what you can't do is stop a
1:26:36 guy from choking you unconscious. And so
1:26:38 Marcelo being as smart as he is and
1:26:40 being a small guy, he's like 160 pounds,
1:26:42 he just figured, okay, I'll just get
1:26:44 everybody's neck. And he just became a
1:26:46 neck specialist. I love what you said
1:26:47 there as well because I I often think,
1:26:49 you know, the best athletes are the best
1:26:51 at doing what they do best. And what I
1:26:53 mean by that, whether it's ultramarathon
1:26:54 running, whether it is CrossFit, World's
1:26:56 Strongest Man, it doesn't matter. You
1:26:57 lean into what you're really good at.
1:26:59 You sort of kabib wrestling, uh, you
1:27:02 know, Pereira striking.
1:27:03 >> Sure.
1:27:03 >> It's just you just drill what you're
1:27:05 really good at. I think for me, swimming
1:27:07 certainly that's what I've sort of honed
1:27:09 in on. I'm like, look, I'm not going to
1:27:10 be built like Michael Phelps. don't have
1:27:12 this poetic nice stroke, but what I can
1:27:14 do is just get crazy strong for a
1:27:16 endurance athlete. So, my strength
1:27:18 reserve is so much bigger
1:27:20 >> and do something really insane like
1:27:22 swimming for three [ __ ] days.
1:27:24 >> Exactly.
1:27:24 >> That's the thing is like most of these
1:27:25 guys are just not going to be willing to
1:27:26 do that. They're willing to do a race
1:27:28 because in a race you just go all out
1:27:30 and you know it only lasts for a few
1:27:32 seconds and when it's over it's over.
1:27:34 >> You know,
1:27:35 >> yeah,
1:27:35 >> you do that and you can turn around the
1:27:37 the shore's right there. Like you you
1:27:39 have to keep going. you have many days
1:27:41 in front of you and that's just a
1:27:43 completely different thing.
1:27:45 >> You know, I think that's it because I've
1:27:47 always I was brought up with my my dad
1:27:49 and my granddad telling me stories one
1:27:51 of athletes but two, you know, the
1:27:52 heroic age of Antarctic exploration when
1:27:54 Admonson Robert Falcon Scott Shackleton
1:27:56 were trying to get to the South Pole and
1:27:58 you know about the Robert Robert Falcon
1:27:59 Scott and Admonson the the contrast in
1:28:01 what they did
1:28:03 >> you know with Admonson just Norwegian
1:28:04 efficiency to get to the South Pole.
1:28:07 turns up. He's learned so much from
1:28:08 those indigenous in the Arctic. Uh
1:28:10 learned about dogs. All of the crew were
1:28:13 gifted in cross-country skiing. In
1:28:15 comparison, the the British guy, Robert
1:28:16 Falcon Scott, brought ponies that fell
1:28:19 through the ice, mechanical sleds that
1:28:21 broke down, tinned food, terrible.
1:28:23 >> What was so interesting as they got
1:28:25 there, Admonson even knew as he got to
1:28:28 the South Pole, he had a certain amount
1:28:29 of dogs,
1:28:30 >> and then on the way back, he knew he
1:28:32 could start systematically eating the
1:28:34 dogs on the way back. Whereas the
1:28:35 British, Robert Falcon, Scott, refused
1:28:37 to do that. They were just handling,
1:28:38 manhandling all of their sleds. And when
1:28:40 they got there to the South Pole, they
1:28:42 saw the Norwegian flag there already.
1:28:44 Then were forced to trek back. And I
1:28:46 mean, one of the most harrowing, it was
1:28:47 Lawrence Oats, um, whose foot was, you
1:28:50 know, badly injured and he just knew
1:28:52 that he was holding up the team. And
1:28:54 then famously, as they were caught in a
1:28:55 in a blizzard, he just turned to the
1:28:57 team and just said, "Gentlemen, I'm
1:28:59 going for a short walk. I might be a
1:29:01 while." And he just walked to his death
1:29:02 to try to make sure that his team made
1:29:04 it. Oh my god.
1:29:05 >> And they didn't. They didn't
1:29:06 unfortunately. Yeah.
1:29:07 >> And I think it's that idea of kind of
1:29:09 like,
1:29:10 >> you know, civilization and survival. You
1:29:14 know, you have to go to a a strange
1:29:16 place sometimes to actually make it. And
1:29:18 I think that's that was almost the
1:29:19 appeal for my career in inverted commas,
1:29:22 if you could call it.
1:29:22 >> Well, that's the appeal to people that
1:29:24 are watching for sure. that you're
1:29:25 clearly going to some strange place
1:29:27 where you could die,
1:29:28 >> you know, and that's why people like
1:29:30 watching your what would you call I
1:29:32 almost said stunts, but that's
1:29:33 disrespectful. No,
1:29:35 >> I say but they're not stunts. They're,
1:29:37 you know, journeys.
1:29:38 >> Yeah, they they are. Yeah, they in some
1:29:41 ways when we're we're a noble way of
1:29:43 saying
1:29:43 >> I appreciate that, but no, right? It it
1:29:47 is I always say they're almost these
1:29:48 sporting spectacles that we use as a
1:29:50 Trojan horse to deliver ocean
1:29:52 conservation. So, I don't mind stunt at
1:29:54 all. that you're doing that. Yeah. I
1:29:56 mean, obviously that's good, you know. I
1:29:57 mean, I I think that there's one area of
1:30:01 the world that we really are
1:30:02 disrespecting and that's our oceans. And
1:30:05 when I say that, I mean,
1:30:07 >> we can't keep pulling fish out at the
1:30:09 rate we're doing.
1:30:10 >> It's nuts. If you talk to fishermen and
1:30:13 if you talk like the people that have
1:30:15 done surveys and the obviously the ocean
1:30:16 is enormous, it's very hard to
1:30:18 understand, but the the middle of it is
1:30:20 not where everything is. Most of the
1:30:22 life on the ocean is near the shores and
1:30:25 or at least reasonably close to the
1:30:26 shores.
1:30:28 90 [ __ ] percent of all big fish
1:30:31 aren't in the ocean anymore. Like all
1:30:33 these tuna men that used to fish tuna
1:30:36 way back in the day and catch thousands.
1:30:39 It's a lot less now. It's and no one is
1:30:42 even thinking about it. And you know,
1:30:45 there's regulations that some countries
1:30:46 have on the way they're allowed to fish,
1:30:49 but some countries don't follow any of
1:30:51 those [ __ ] regulations.
1:30:53 >> You know, I mean, it's and what we've
1:30:55 done to the, you know, fun fact, this is
1:30:57 how Somalians became pirates.
1:31:00 >> So, Somalians became pirates because
1:31:02 they were fishermen. And they were all
1:31:04 just fishermen. They were just peaceful
1:31:06 fishermen living in Somalia. And these
1:31:09 uh different countries were dumping
1:31:11 toxic waste off their shore and it was
1:31:14 killing all the fish. And so they first
1:31:17 started kidnapping these people who were
1:31:19 dumping these boats filled with toxic
1:31:22 sludge or whatever the [ __ ] they were
1:31:23 dumping nuclear waste, whatever they're
1:31:25 dumping into the ocean and demanding a
1:31:28 ransom because these people have caused
1:31:29 them so much loss because the their fish
1:31:31 are all dead. And then they thought
1:31:33 about it and said, "Well, [ __ ] this. Why
1:31:34 don't we just kidnap people?" And so
1:31:36 that became their new sport.
1:31:39 So the fish are all dead and they were
1:31:42 on that what is that stuff called? Cat.
1:31:45 >> Is that what it's called? So there's a
1:31:48 there's a narcotic that they take called
1:31:51 cat. And it's a a leaf that you chew. Is
1:31:54 a nut. Is it a nut?
1:31:55 >> No, it's a leaf. I thought
1:31:56 >> it's a leaf. Um whatever it is, it's uh
1:32:00 something that you chew that gives you
1:32:02 like an amphetamine like state like look
1:32:03 at me. I'm the captain now. Like that's
1:32:06 that's cat. You [ __ ] You're messed
1:32:09 up. You weigh 80 pounds. You've been up
1:32:12 for seven days and now you're kidnapping
1:32:15 people. And so that's that's literally
1:32:18 Somalia's history. So when you look at
1:32:20 like the Somalian scams that are
1:32:22 happening in America and you look at
1:32:24 like the stuff that's going on in
1:32:25 Minnesota, like what how do all these
1:32:27 Somalians get involved in all these
1:32:28 scams? It all goes back to Europeans
1:32:31 poisoning their water.
1:32:32 >> Wow.
1:32:33 >> Yep. Yeah,
1:32:34 >> Russian I think I think Russian poison.
1:32:36 I don't know. I don't want to blame any
1:32:37 countries, but someone was dumping toxic
1:32:40 waste in their water and that's what
1:32:41 started all off. That's true, right? I
1:32:43 think they called themselves the
1:32:44 People's Coast Guard of Somalia. That's
1:32:47 how they started it off.
1:32:48 >> Wow. I know.
1:32:49 >> They don't have a long history of
1:32:50 pirates. They're not like like
1:32:51 Blackbeard or any [ __ ] like that. This
1:32:53 is a fairly recent and human history uh
1:32:56 turn for their culture and it probably
1:32:59 led to a lot of other criminal activity
1:33:01 if you think about it. Like if the the
1:33:03 core nature of your civilization gets
1:33:07 shut off, the core nature is you're a
1:33:08 fisherman, right? You you live in a
1:33:10 village, you all catch fish, that's what
1:33:12 you live off of. All that gets shut
1:33:13 down. People go into desperation mode.
1:33:15 People start taking cat. They're
1:33:17 probably taking cat already. But they
1:33:18 they they're doing amphetamines. And
1:33:20 then they're kidnapping folks. Next
1:33:22 thing you know, you're getting machine
1:33:23 guns. You get all that money. Now you
1:33:24 got a [ __ ] you got carbines.
1:33:28 >> You got a 50 cal.
1:33:29 >> Is that cat legal? Can I take that when
1:33:31 I'm water tested or
1:33:32 >> I don't think it is.
1:33:34 >> Oh,
1:33:35 >> I think it's I think it's uh is legal.
1:33:37 >> I don't know what it is in America. We
1:33:39 probably have it schedule one. House
1:33:41 Somalian fishermen became pirates.
1:33:43 >> It's a little old. It's 2009. This
1:33:44 mostly just says that once they lost
1:33:46 their government, uh it became a
1:33:48 free-for-all. Right here,
1:33:50 >> stealing all their
1:33:51 >> I think that was part of it as well.
1:33:53 >> Fishermen just kind of got pissed.
1:33:54 >> I think that was part of it as well, but
1:33:55 I think there was an aspect of it about
1:33:58 poisoning the water. at I'm sure it
1:34:00 probably came up later because this is
1:34:01 still 2009. This is right right when it
1:34:03 was kicking off really
1:34:04 >> at this time when this article was
1:34:06 written. It said they had 18 cargo ships
1:34:08 being held.
1:34:10 >> Okay, this is but see I think this is
1:34:13 everything had already started to fall
1:34:14 apart and I think it started to fall
1:34:15 apart when the fish went away. If I
1:34:18 remember correctly, this was quite a
1:34:20 long time ago I read this. But see if
1:34:22 you can put it into perplexity. Say uh
1:34:24 is there a connection between uh Somali
1:34:27 pirates and offshore dumping of toxic
1:34:30 waste that led to depleting of their
1:34:32 fishing grounds?
1:34:32 >> I didn't ask that exact question. I just
1:34:34 asked what was the reason they started
1:34:35 taking ransoms.
1:34:36 >> Um but see if that factors in see if it
1:34:39 says that if you say was there uh an
1:34:42 aspect of it where they were kidnapping
1:34:44 people who had poisoned their water.
1:34:47 kidnapping people who poisoned their
1:34:50 water.
1:34:55 Isn't AI wonderful? I know it's going to
1:34:57 kill us all. Not necessarily. People
1:34:59 they kidnap were not all people poison
1:35:01 the water, right? But initially,
1:35:04 there were serious reports and
1:35:05 allegations of foreign companies dumping
1:35:07 hazardous waste off of Somalia. However,
1:35:09 a UN environmental OCHA account said two
1:35:13 years earlier, UN fact-checking missions
1:35:15 found no evidence. probably because the
1:35:17 UN was dumping
1:35:19 and its post tsunami inquiries did not
1:35:21 identify specific dumping sites. So,
1:35:23 they were kidnapping people, poisoning
1:35:25 their water is much more definitive than
1:35:26 the evidence supports. Yeah, I don't
1:35:29 know if we know
1:35:31 um the problem with AI it's pulling from
1:35:34 all these different sources online.
1:35:38 Yeah, maybe the story I read was biased
1:35:40 as well, but the story that I well I
1:35:42 read was sort of a sympathetic take on
1:35:45 why there's so many uh pirates. I don't
1:35:48 not sympathetic, but an understanding
1:35:50 take like they're saying like you need
1:35:52 to understand that this is a chain of
1:35:54 consequences,
1:35:56 >> a chain of events that took place. And
1:35:58 one of those things was people dump like
1:36:01 for sure someone's dump toxic [ __ ] into
1:36:04 the ocean. We know they do that. And so
1:36:06 it doesn't seem that far of a stretch to
1:36:08 imagine that that initially started off
1:36:11 uh a crash in their economy if their
1:36:12 fishing lands were fishing poisoned.
1:36:16 >> Go and try and sort it out. I'll do a
1:36:17 swim there.
1:36:18 >> Don't do that.
1:36:20 >> Yeah. Swim and dress up like a dollar
1:36:22 bill.
1:36:24 >> I think I could either there or what?
1:36:25 Straight up on
1:36:26 >> a gold boat. Get yourself in a gold boat
1:36:29 and put a sign that says we have no guns
1:36:32 and go have fun.
1:36:33 >> That would be amazing. I re asked and it
1:36:35 gave a different answer.
1:36:36 >> Yes, some Somali pirates explicitly
1:36:38 describe their attacks as retaliation
1:36:40 for toxic waste dumping, not just
1:36:42 illegal fishing. Uh, previous answer
1:36:44 understated the reporting behind that
1:36:46 claim, but it does not established that
1:36:49 the crews they kidnapped themselves
1:36:51 dumping waste. Right. They probably just
1:36:52 found people offshore and said, "You
1:36:55 were dumping. I'm the captain now." In
1:36:58 two Okay. Uh, 2008 pirate spokesman. Oh,
1:37:01 they have a spokesman. I wonder if he
1:37:03 was elected. I wonder how he became
1:37:05 spokesman. You think he had a campaign?
1:37:07 You think people had like signs on their
1:37:08 lawn? Elect Joanna Ali Jama for
1:37:12 spokesman of the pirates described a
1:37:15 ransom demand as a way uh of reacting to
1:37:18 the toxic waste has been continually
1:37:20 dumped on the shores of our country for
1:37:22 nearly 20 years. Oh [ __ ] 20 years is a
1:37:25 long [ __ ] time. But I I believe that
1:37:27 the report connected that claim to the
1:37:30 captured MV Fina, a Ukrainian ship
1:37:33 carrying tanks and military equipment,
1:37:35 not a vessel identified in the report as
1:37:37 a dumping waste. But what a great ship
1:37:39 to bust. Imagine you get a [ __ ] a
1:37:42 boat that's got tanks and military
1:37:44 equipment. Now you got yourself a
1:37:46 [ __ ] army, dog. Environmental
1:37:49 accusations weren't solely a private
1:37:51 invention. In that reporting, UN envoy
1:37:53 Boy, say that guy's name. Oh,
1:37:55 >> help me out.
1:37:56 >> No,
1:37:57 >> I'm not even going to attempt that one.
1:37:58 >> Almadu Aloudude Abdala said the UN had
1:38:02 reliable information that European and
1:38:04 Asian companies were dumping toxic waste
1:38:06 off Somalia. UNP spokesman Nick Natal
1:38:10 described Som Somalia as a hazardous
1:38:12 waste dumping ground, but said
1:38:15 insecurity prevented a proper scientific
1:38:17 assessment of the problems con extent.
1:38:20 Listen, man. People love to dump [ __ ] in
1:38:23 the ocean, these [ __ ] [ __ ] Like,
1:38:25 you know, you remember when that kid got
1:38:26 killed in Egypt? He was at a resort in
1:38:28 Egypt and he got killed by a shark.
1:38:30 >> I think I saw the video.
1:38:32 >> It's a horrible video cuz he's screaming
1:38:34 for his father.
1:38:35 >> He's screaming for his father.
1:38:37 >> Mhm.
1:38:37 >> So, what we had uh heard and we looked
1:38:40 into it. It's not conclusive, but it
1:38:43 seems like they were dumping sheep
1:38:45 carcasses in the ocean.
1:38:47 >> Like when they had sheep carcasses, they
1:38:49 didn't want them just laying around
1:38:50 rotting. So they put them in a boat,
1:38:52 take them out to sea and dump them in
1:38:53 the water. So what did that attract?
1:38:56 >> What do you think that
1:38:58 sharks?
1:39:00 >> And so then these sharks were in that
1:39:02 area
1:39:04 >> and people there was a really beautiful
1:39:06 resort. People go take their families,
1:39:08 go on vacation in a [ __ ] monster
1:39:11 soup.
1:39:12 >> Monster soup right out there. I tell
1:39:13 you, make [ __ ] soup out of their
1:39:15 dicks. Take pull them out of the water.
1:39:18 Serve it up. We need to go back to
1:39:19 sharks fin soup. These [ __ ] people
1:39:21 think sharks are their friends.
1:39:23 >> Do I So So do I need to swim Somalia and
1:39:26 sort that out then?
1:39:26 >> I don't think you do. I think you should
1:39:28 probably stay out of that. Maybe that'll
1:39:29 be the one that kills you.
1:39:30 >> No.
1:39:31 >> Whatever the [ __ ] is in that water,
1:39:33 whatever the 20 years of toxic dumping,
1:39:36 that's not good. You don't want that in
1:39:37 your skin.
1:39:38 >> No deal. No deal.
1:39:39 >> Yeah. Going back to the cardio, I wanted
1:39:41 to ask your opinion on this. Uh best
1:39:42 cardio in the UFC or MMA actually in
1:39:45 history.
1:39:45 >> Oh boy.
1:39:46 >> I'm going to go I'm going to put some up
1:39:47 there. Morab.
1:39:49 >> Morab is probably
1:39:49 >> Bisping.
1:39:50 >> Yeah, Bisping had phenomenal cardio.
1:39:52 Bisping would melt people. I remember
1:39:54 his fight with J Jason Mayhem Miller who
1:39:56 was very talented.
1:39:57 >> Yeah,
1:39:58 >> Bisping just melted him. Just his pace
1:40:00 was insane.
1:40:00 >> Nick Diaz.
1:40:01 >> Nick Diaz. Insane pace. Y
1:40:03 >> Nate Diaz also also incredible cardio.
1:40:06 Yeah,
1:40:06 >> there's a lot of these guys now. It's
1:40:08 like it's we're we're in a realm now of
1:40:10 of athletes. Joshua Van, insane cardio.
1:40:13 Insane cardio. Joshua Van, who's the
1:40:16 flyweight champ in the fifth round,
1:40:17 fights like he's in the first round.
1:40:18 Insane. The level now is is is at an
1:40:21 all-time high.
1:40:22 >> But that's why Kane Velasquez was so
1:40:23 weird because it just didn't make sense.
1:40:25 Didn't make sense. Demetrius Johnson and
1:40:27 the smaller guys, you just kind of like
1:40:28 Yeah. Yeah. You're not inhibited by
1:40:29 gravity the same way. But with Kane
1:40:31 Velasquez, you were like that just you
1:40:33 shouldn't you should be able to do that.
1:40:34 >> DC told me Kane would take a couple
1:40:36 months off of training like he had an
1:40:37 injury, had to take time off of
1:40:39 training, come back three months later,
1:40:40 [ __ ] everybody up at the gym. He said in
1:40:42 cardio drills. He said it was nuts. Oh,
1:40:44 >> that was nuts. He said his his base was
1:40:47 just just insanity. Meanwhile, he lost
1:40:50 the title to Fabricio Verdoom in Mexico
1:40:53 City at altitude because he was only
1:40:55 there for 2 weeks.
1:40:57 >> And Fabricio Verdum, he got a place to
1:41:00 train in the mountains above Mexico
1:41:02 City. So, Fabricio was living at like I
1:41:05 think it was like 9,000 plus feet above
1:41:07 sea level and training up there.
1:41:09 >> And so, he had phenomenal cardio. And
1:41:11 Kane actually gassed out in that fight
1:41:14 and Fabricio caught him in a guillotine
1:41:15 to win the title.
1:41:16 >> I remember. Yeah.
1:41:17 >> Yeah, man. That was a big moment because
1:41:19 nobody had ever not just beaten Kane
1:41:22 that way, but beating Kane with like
1:41:25 where Kane was tired
1:41:26 >> like you never saw Kane tired.
1:41:28 >> It just shows you that altitude training
1:41:31 is [ __ ] critical, man. If you want to
1:41:34 compete at altitude, I was showing you
1:41:37 the uh hypoxia chamber that we have
1:41:39 here, the Exalt uh I think it's called
1:41:42 the Exalt XP hypoxia trainer. It is so
1:41:46 hard to work out at altitude, but if you
1:41:49 can do it, I did it in preparation for
1:41:52 this uh hunt that I did in Utah. And so
1:41:54 I did it for two months and I was very
1:41:57 rigorous. I was very regular. I was
1:41:59 doing two really hard cardio workouts
1:42:01 inside that thing a week. That's all
1:42:03 they recommend. They said, "Don't do
1:42:04 more than that cuz you'll get to a point
1:42:06 where you can't recover." Like you want
1:42:07 two, maybe three once you've built up,
1:42:10 but I never got to three. Made a giant
1:42:12 difference. Giant difference. Like I
1:42:14 could really cuz I go to the same place
1:42:16 every year and at the highest point it's
1:42:19 probably 9,000 ft. At sometimes you're
1:42:21 at 5,000 7,000 but you know you're
1:42:24 walking up like very steep loose dirt at
1:42:27 5,000 7,000 ft. It's hard. It's really
1:42:30 hard. So, so was you could feel it
1:42:32 physiologically
1:42:33 hemoglobin. You could feel
1:42:34 >> I could feel that I had more gas. 100%.
1:42:36 Amazing.
1:42:37 >> Yeah. A big difference. Big difference.
1:42:39 >> And uh I only got to do it for two
1:42:41 months. And now I'm thinking I'm getting
1:42:43 ready for next September. I'm like, if I
1:42:44 can do it for a whole year, if I could
1:42:46 do that twice a week for a year, that'll
1:42:48 make a giant difference by the time
1:42:50 September rolls around.
1:42:51 >> 100%. I think that's going to change a
1:42:53 lot of the way I think that particular
1:42:55 type of training when you're training at
1:42:58 like that machine can crank you up to
1:43:00 above 20,000 ft above sea level. I've
1:43:03 only done 14 I've done 145. That's the
1:43:06 highest I've done. It's it's insanity.
1:43:08 There's no air in there, man. There's no
1:43:09 [ __ ] air in there. And you're doing
1:43:11 sprints on the air dye machine. You're
1:43:12 doing sprints on the treadmill and and
1:43:14 doing kettle bell swings. And it's like
1:43:16 when you get out of there, man, it's
1:43:18 like your body gets this rush of oxygen
1:43:20 like
1:43:22 As soon as you open the door, you're
1:43:23 like, "Oh my god." But then once you
1:43:26 recover from it, the next time it's a
1:43:27 little bit easier, and the next time
1:43:29 it's a little bit easier. It's like you
1:43:30 feel your body adapting cuz it's like,
1:43:33 "Oh [ __ ] we got to do this." So in a
1:43:35 realworld scenario like what we are
1:43:37 here, like what is the sea level here?
1:43:40 What's the altitude here?
1:43:41 >> 500 600 ft.
1:43:43 >> Nothing. It's nothing. You feel like
1:43:45 there's so much [ __ ] air you can run
1:43:46 through a building. That's what it feels
1:43:48 like. And I think that's a gamecher. And
1:43:51 so many of these like really high level
1:43:53 camps have chosen to train at altitude.
1:43:56 >> You know, you have a bunch of them have
1:43:58 done obviously the Dagistanis, they
1:44:00 train I I don't know what what is
1:44:01 Dagistan what is uh Dagistan above sea
1:44:04 level. I got it's in the mountains.
1:44:06 >> Yeah.
1:44:07 >> I got to say they're probably 4,500
1:44:09 5,000 ft.
1:44:11 >> You know, obviously they have the
1:44:13 Olympic training center in Colorado
1:44:14 Springs. I think that's above 5,000 ft,
1:44:17 >> you know, and
1:44:19 They have actually both they go they
1:44:21 have they have areas below sea level
1:44:24 >> that are down by the Caspian coast and
1:44:26 they have mountain peaks that
1:44:29 average elevation is 500 meters though.
1:44:31 >> Interesting.
1:44:32 >> So it's like 1500 600 feet.
1:44:34 >> Yeah. Max is max is what?
1:44:36 >> That's a peak. That's a mountain peak is
1:44:38 14,000.
1:44:38 >> Max is 14,000. But these some of these
1:44:41 mountain towns like where Kabib is.
1:44:43 Where's he at?
1:44:45 >> I know they do runs. They do runs at
1:44:47 altitude,
1:44:48 >> you know, as does like the guys in
1:44:50 Denver
1:44:51 >> in a high spot.
1:44:51 >> What's that?
1:44:52 >> 2,000 meters above. So 6,500 or so
1:44:55 >> where he is.
1:44:57 >> Okay. So he's pretty high. Mountain
1:44:58 >> village 6 6,000 ft is high.
1:45:00 >> So if if you're training at that
1:45:02 altitude, that's that's akin to Colorado
1:45:05 Springs or a lot of these places,
1:45:07 >> you know. Um Justin Gate's coach, Trevor
1:45:09 Whitman, he has a lot of his guys, they
1:45:11 do runs in the mountains. They do these
1:45:13 runs uphill of the mountains and
1:45:15 >> unlimited water as well. There's some
1:45:17 good stuff now around dehydration
1:45:18 training.
1:45:19 >> That's Justin's big thing. He will not
1:45:20 drink water while he's training.
1:45:21 >> Control dehydration. Yeah.
1:45:23 >> Oh Jesus.
1:45:25 >> Could be up there.
1:45:27 >> That's that view is insane.
1:45:29 >> So there there is a this is a weird
1:45:31 story. I've got um there is a method
1:45:33 that could make you a faster runner. Um
1:45:35 and I'm going to apologize now. This is
1:45:37 a little bit left field, but I was in
1:45:38 Namibia. I was um learning from the sand
1:45:40 bushman out there. We were How do you
1:45:42 organize that?
1:45:42 >> Yeah. Oh, was a a documentary
1:45:44 >> through WhatsApp.
1:45:45 >> Yeah. Can I come?
1:45:48 >> So, we are out there doing like a
1:45:50 marathon a day. We for the entire week,
1:45:52 barely any water. It was horrible.
1:45:54 >> One particular guy out there and they're
1:45:55 amazing. They're just gliding across the
1:45:57 sand basically as well. I'm just like
1:45:59 heavy running trying to keep up with
1:46:00 them. And there was one particular guy
1:46:01 in the tribe as well who was um could
1:46:03 trace his ancestry back to the Kurigin
1:46:05 tribes. Did you know about the Kurigan
1:46:06 tribe?
1:46:06 >> No.
1:46:07 >> So, it's basically an ethnic group
1:46:08 specific to Kenya. You are Oh, you you
1:46:10 already smashed yours. I'm still working
1:46:11 on mine.
1:46:12 >> Let's get
1:46:13 >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Silly talking
1:46:15 [ __ ] Let's go. Sorry.
1:46:17 >> So, basically, um, Curigen tribe ethnic
1:46:19 groups specific to Kenya produce, uh,
1:46:21 more amazing marathon runners than
1:46:23 anywhere else. It's disproportionate
1:46:24 just how good they are with this
1:46:26 particular group of people. Um, and as
1:46:28 we're sitting around the campfire, they
1:46:29 turned to me and they said, uh, this guy
1:46:31 goes, Ross, do you know why we're so
1:46:32 good? Do you know why the Kurs are so
1:46:34 good at running? And I said, altitude.
1:46:36 And he went, nope. And I was like,
1:46:38 barefoot running. of beautiful
1:46:39 biomechanics. Nope.
1:46:41 >> Circumcision.
1:46:42 >> Oh, you know it.
1:46:43 >> Yeah. And crawling crawling through
1:46:44 needles.
1:46:45 >> Oh, you know it.
1:46:46 >> Crawling through thorns.
1:46:47 >> You're right. And they but but with the
1:46:49 mud as well.
1:46:50 >> Yeah.
1:46:50 >> And they don't pass on. Yeah. So it's
1:46:52 >> the circumcision as a grown boy with uh
1:46:56 no no nothing. No water, no cleanliness,
1:47:00 no no anesthesia. Just they cut it. I
1:47:03 think they use a knife, right? Or a
1:47:04 sharp rock. Well, the the the the theory
1:47:06 goes that he was saying that basically
1:47:08 with the circumcision, you're basically
1:47:09 as a young man in front of the entire
1:47:11 tribe, they all come out and they put
1:47:13 clay like mud on your face and so you
1:47:15 have to like just sit there and then
1:47:16 basically the guy takes the chief of the
1:47:18 tribe takes your tackle and then with
1:47:20 essentially a tackle. I like that.
1:47:23 Takes your tackle, circumcise you, you
1:47:25 cannot flinch. If you flinch and the mud
1:47:28 cracks, all of a sudden in the tribe,
1:47:29 everyone will be like, "Ah, he's not
1:47:31 very desirable." So, you don't basically
1:47:33 find a girl. you don't have kids and
1:47:35 only those where the mud doesn't crack,
1:47:37 they're considered desirable and they
1:47:39 pass on their genetics. So, generation
1:47:41 after generation, you're passing on this
1:47:44 pain tolerance and in the end you end up
1:47:47 cur tribe just unbelievable runners.
1:47:49 Yeah. I mean, he looked across and said,
1:47:51 "Ross, do you want to be faster?" Pulled
1:47:52 out a knife and I was like, "I'm good."
1:47:54 >> Yeah. What if you're already
1:47:55 circumcised? What is he going to do?
1:47:56 Take it back an inch? [ __ ] dude.
1:48:00 >> Yeah. What does he do then? Like I want
1:48:02 in, but the problem is they did me when
1:48:03 I was a kid.
1:48:04 >> I didn't want to ask.
1:48:05 >> Didn't even help. I didn't have to crawl
1:48:07 through thorns. Nothing.
1:48:08 >> Yeah. You have to crawl through thorns
1:48:10 with your bloody dick.
1:48:11 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:48:12 >> And you can't winse. Can't make any
1:48:14 noise.
1:48:14 >> That's the whole point. Yeah. And then
1:48:16 you can't react to the pain.
1:48:17 >> Those who don't react considered
1:48:18 desirable. They pass on their genetics a
1:48:20 generation after generation. You just
1:48:22 get this incredible
1:48:23 >> Are you going to show me a video, Jamie?
1:48:25 How dare you?
1:48:26 >> I just paused. I just But that's what
1:48:28 they look like. Put the mud on their
1:48:29 faces, I think. Oh boy.
1:48:33 >> Getting ready.
1:48:33 >> Some lady talking about it.
1:48:35 >> Yeah.
1:48:35 >> Yeah. Fun times.
1:48:36 >> And then you just got to remain there.
1:48:37 >> All that just to run.
1:48:38 >> Yeah. One of my
1:48:40 >> I hope somebody beats him that doesn't
1:48:41 do that.
1:48:42 >> Well, it's funny you said that actually.
1:48:44 So, do you know about um Emil Zatipek?
1:48:46 >> No.
1:48:46 >> Oh my god. This guy, he the greatest
1:48:48 endurance runner in my opinion to ever
1:48:50 exist. He's amazing. So, so basically to
1:48:52 this day, no one's ever done what he did
1:48:53 at the Olympics. Helsinki Olympics. won
1:48:55 the 5,000, won the 10,000, and then
1:48:59 turned to his coach and he just went,
1:49:01 "Um, I think I will run marathon
1:49:03 tomorrow." And his coach was like, "No,
1:49:04 no, no. Look, this is a terrible idea.
1:49:06 You should not run the marathon. It's
1:49:07 completely different events, you know,
1:49:08 over twice as far, Emil, this is a
1:49:11 terrible uh an idea." And he turns and
1:49:13 Emil just goes, "Who who is the
1:49:15 favorite?" And it was a British guy. So,
1:49:17 it was the British guy. He's he's
1:49:19 everybody thinks he's going to win. And
1:49:21 Emil goes, "Okay, no problem. What I do,
1:49:22 I will run on his shoulder and then just
1:49:24 at the end before we get into stadium, I
1:49:26 go boop and I run around and I will
1:49:28 finish. And the coach is like, "Please,
1:49:29 Emil, this is just, you've got two gold
1:49:31 medals. Please, let's just leave it
1:49:32 there." And he goes, "No, no, no, no.
1:49:34 This documentary is amazing." It then
1:49:36 cuts to the British guy who's older and
1:49:38 he's recounting this this entire race.
1:49:41 And he says, "I am uh I'm running and uh
1:49:43 things are going well." And then I I
1:49:45 feel on my shoulder I feel this this
1:49:47 Emil just pops up on my shoulder. And a
1:49:49 meal turns to me, he goes, "I um I'm so
1:49:51 sorry. I've never run marathon before.
1:49:53 Um so I don't know if this too fast or
1:49:55 too slow." And I thought to myself, "You
1:49:58 [ __ ] I'm going to mess with you. I'm
1:50:00 going to mess with your head." So I
1:50:00 turned and I said, "No, no, no. This is
1:50:02 far too slow. We're in trouble."
1:50:04 Thinking that would break in a meal just
1:50:06 turned and went, "No problem. I will see
1:50:08 you at finish line." And ran and won.
1:50:10 Three gold medals, Helsinki Olympics.
1:50:12 The reason I tell that story as well is
1:50:14 not many people know. But his training,
1:50:16 next time you're down an athletics
1:50:17 track, he used to do 100 400 meter
1:50:21 sprints.
1:50:22 >> What?
1:50:22 >> Yeah. A sprint marathon. A day. Yeah.
1:50:24 Well, not a day, but but his he
1:50:26 pioneered interval training. People
1:50:27 didn't think you could train that hard.
1:50:29 There he is.
1:50:30 >> Wow.
1:50:31 >> Look. And what I love as well is how he
1:50:32 ran. He ran like he'd been shot in the
1:50:34 leg. That's not a meal. He was just
1:50:36 There he is. There he is. So, he runs
1:50:37 like he's been shot. Ugly technique.
1:50:39 Bad. Yeah. This And again, I think this
1:50:43 is the marathon. This is after he's
1:50:44 already won the 5,000 and the 10,000.
1:50:47 And here he is. He
1:50:48 >> He looks like he's in agony.
1:50:50 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, and the story goes with
1:50:51 that as well. And this is what I love.
1:50:53 So, with somebody like him,
1:50:56 100 400 meter sprints, but his his wife
1:50:58 was an amazing javelin thrower as well.
1:51:01 So, date night for them is they'd go out
1:51:03 and his wife would just like launch the
1:51:05 javelin and he would go and get it like
1:51:06 a dog and then come back
1:51:09 and be like, "Here you go, babe." She'd
1:51:10 be like, "Thanks, babe." and just
1:51:12 hilarious.
1:51:14 >> He used to uh run with his wife on his
1:51:16 back through the woods and then
1:51:17 sometimes when he wasn't able to run
1:51:18 because it was snowing too much or
1:51:19 condition wouldn't allow uh famously he
1:51:21 would get in the bath and just basically
1:51:23 just tread on on dirty laundry as well
1:51:25 just to try to just as well. So Emil
1:51:28 Zatipekc to your point I always find it
1:51:30 fascinating that sometimes when you talk
1:51:32 about people who are you know I've been
1:51:34 training so hard I've sacrificed so much
1:51:37 I'm like yeah that's great but I don't
1:51:38 want to go against an Emil Zatipek
1:51:40 someone who just loves it someone who
1:51:42 just date night is running out their
1:51:43 intervals bringing back
1:51:44 >> well have you heard of that race they do
1:51:47 where it's a race until everyone else
1:51:50 drops out
1:51:51 >> of course backyard ultras.
1:51:53 >> Yeah but it's there there can only be
1:51:55 one one person can win. Oh yeah. Yeah.
1:51:58 That's amazing. You must I think Chris
1:52:00 Williamson was talking about you a
1:52:01 mutual friend of ours talking about Mark
1:52:02 Dael who was just basically like hunting
1:52:05 and like just stalking the competition
1:52:08 and it was called the last soul ultra.
1:52:10 And so Mark Dow when this guy stopped
1:52:11 like tie his shoelace Mark was behind
1:52:13 him and just hunting him like prey and
1:52:16 they had them on the the night vision
1:52:18 and they're like what is going on? It's
1:52:19 just mind games.
1:52:21 >> And so one person eventually doesn't
1:52:24 quit.
1:52:24 >> Exactly.
1:52:25 >> Everybody else quits.
1:52:26 >> Yeah. Exactly.
1:52:26 >> How long did they go?
1:52:27 >> These go I think there's the current
1:52:30 record I swear somebody did something
1:52:32 like 91 hours.
1:52:33 >> Yeah. It's just it's just nuts. It's
1:52:36 just nuts. I swear. Yeah. Oh my god.
1:52:39 Recent I think it was Phil Jamie if you
1:52:41 find it. But he he recently Yeah.
1:52:44 >> Oh yeah. Go Mark. That's when he won the
1:52:45 last Ultra.
1:52:46 >> 95 laps 636.5
1:52:50 km.
1:52:51 >> The man
1:52:52 >> last soul ultra. Oh my god. He but he
1:52:54 talks about it as well. What I love is
1:52:56 he talks about actually collecting their
1:52:59 souls. So So at the end you're basically
1:53:01 given a trinket which has got
1:53:03 everybody's soul on it and he's there
1:53:05 like some
1:53:06 >> ancient warrior holding it
1:53:09 >> in a way is kind of right. He ran for 94
1:53:12 straight hours without sleep to win the
1:53:14 Last Soul Ultra. 94 hours is crazy.
1:53:20 >> Like what was he seeing? What was he
1:53:24 seeing at hour 92? How many elves did he
1:53:27 come into contact with? For sure he saw
1:53:29 elves. For sure.
1:53:31 >> For sure.
1:53:32 >> There he is.
1:53:32 >> There's him on Loop 72.
1:53:34 >> Yeah.
1:53:35 >> Oh my god. And the thing about him too
1:53:36 is he's kind of a bigger guy. I believe
1:53:38 his background was lacrosse as well. So
1:53:40 he weight trains, which goes back to
1:53:42 what I was talking about before about
1:53:44 mechano transduction, strength reserve
1:53:47 that you're that you'd say that doesn't
1:53:49 make sense for an ultra endurance
1:53:50 athlete. Again, I would argue that his
1:53:52 biomechanics are just perfect and they
1:53:54 won't break down compared to somebody
1:53:56 who doesn't have that strength
1:53:57 background.
1:53:58 >> Um, so they're actually Yes, the there's
1:54:00 a backyard ultra. He's actually doing it
1:54:01 at the moment, I think. I'm
1:54:02 >> 94 hours.
1:54:05 >> Oh, that was an update from now.
1:54:07 >> What's that?
1:54:07 >> That video I just played was right.
1:54:08 >> Yeah, they're doing it now. So, I think
1:54:10 it's Team America.
1:54:10 >> Oh, it's happening right now.
1:54:12 >> On Loop 54 right now or this one two
1:54:14 hours ago
1:54:15 >> and he's just on social media just
1:54:17 talking through everything as well.
1:54:19 >> Loop 54. How many days ago was that?
1:54:21 >> This is 20 hours. 20 hours right now. I
1:54:24 was at noon.
1:54:25 >> He talked about like on the first 24
1:54:27 hours he's just like that's just your
1:54:28 ticket. You know that just gets you in
1:54:31 the race. It's now it begins and that's
1:54:32 after 24 hours.
1:54:34 >> Oh my god.
1:54:34 >> What a legend.
1:54:37 >> Oh my god.
1:54:38 >> Yeah. I think and also
1:54:40 >> 24 hours. It's crazy.
1:54:42 >> It's nuts. It's nut. I mean for me on
1:54:44 some of my swims as well just those
1:54:46 hallucinations like when they start like
1:54:48 probably one of my worst was Loch Ness
1:54:51 and that was before everything went
1:54:52 really bad. Loch Ness is basically
1:54:53 really narrow. Um and when you look up
1:54:56 at night it looked like there was loads
1:54:57 of trees but the trees almost formed the
1:54:59 silhouette of uh like a cruise ship. I
1:55:02 remember being like that's really weird.
1:55:03 I'm eating a banana and I'm looking up
1:55:05 and all of a sudden the branches start
1:55:07 waving and to me at the time I was like
1:55:10 it looks like people have come to the
1:55:11 side of the cruise ship to support me.
1:55:13 So my girlfriend's watching and all the
1:55:15 crew and I'm just there eating a banana
1:55:17 and I'm going guys thank you so much
1:55:19 your support means especially 2:00 in
1:55:21 the morning. God bless you guys. Thank
1:55:23 you like that. And my girlfriend's like
1:55:24 oh he's he's talking to the trees like
1:55:27 he's thanking them for their support.
1:55:29 >> So sometimes Oh you go. Yeah. That's
1:55:31 when he's tying his
1:55:32 >> That's when he's stalking him.
1:55:33 >> He's just waiting behind him.
1:55:35 >> He's like, "What are you doing?" And
1:55:38 >> what I love, it's all mind games at this
1:55:40 point.
1:55:40 >> Not going anywhere.
1:55:41 >> Wow.
1:55:42 >> I think the reason I love Mark as well
1:55:43 is because he's bringing a level of
1:55:45 gamesmanship and mind games that that
1:55:47 wasn't really seen in Ultra Endurance,
1:55:50 >> right? They're all supposed to be super
1:55:51 supportive of each other.
1:55:52 >> Exactly. And I think you see it in other
1:55:54 sports as well.
1:55:54 >> Yeah. But you can't be super supportive
1:55:56 if there's only going to be one person
1:55:58 standing.
1:55:58 >> Exactly. Exactly. I mean, one of my
1:56:00 favorite examples in in MMA was uh uh
1:56:02 Yuri and Pereira where they were talking
1:56:06 about no shamanic ritual.
1:56:10 >> And I'm like, look, whatever
1:56:11 >> Yuri was saying, don't use any voodoo,
1:56:14 please.
1:56:15 >> Don't use any magic.
1:56:16 >> I thought this is the greatest time in
1:56:17 the UFC when someone's going, "You're
1:56:19 not allowed to use magic.
1:56:20 >> I want a clean fight. No magic."
1:56:22 >> It's amazing. I mean, on that note, who
1:56:24 do you think is the best at mind games
1:56:25 in UFC history? Chaos son be
1:56:29 >> Chelson's really good, but Conor
1:56:31 McGregor's pretty damn good, too.
1:56:33 >> Conor McGregor when he fought Jos Aldo,
1:56:35 he had Jose Aldo in a funk because Aldo
1:56:38 was a legend and he was respected by
1:56:40 everyone and Connor was just continually
1:56:42 disrespecting him
1:56:44 >> and just mocking him. He stole his belt
1:56:46 famously at the press conference.
1:56:48 >> He was in his [ __ ] head,
1:56:50 >> you know. But obviously that backfired
1:56:52 against Kabib because that [ __ ] didn't
1:56:53 work on Kabib. Kabib was on top of him.
1:56:55 Punched him in the face saying, "Let's
1:56:57 talk now. Let's talk now." He just
1:56:59 punched him in the face. Let's talk now.
1:57:01 >> And Conor was trying to say, "It's only
1:57:03 business." He's like, "Come on, we're
1:57:04 talking."
1:57:04 >> This is what I find so strange that if
1:57:06 aliens came down to this world and you
1:57:08 had to explain to them like, "Who is the
1:57:10 best mixed martial artist?" You'd go,
1:57:11 "Okay, so here's Kabib, uh, devout
1:57:13 Muslim, doesn't drink, uh, you know,
1:57:16 lives in the mountains." And you go,
1:57:17 "Oh, cool. So that's the blueprint." And
1:57:19 you go, "Ah, well, no. Sorry. So there's
1:57:21 a guy John Jones over here.
1:57:23 >> It does coke. [ __ ] everybody up.
1:57:28 >> Exactly.
1:57:29 >> Well, there's outliers. There's
1:57:30 outliers. There's outliers. You know,
1:57:32 >> that's exactly it.
1:57:33 >> There's always like these Bo Jackson
1:57:34 characters that could do anything.
1:57:36 >> There's there's there's people out there
1:57:37 in the world that are outliers and it's
1:57:39 uh very unusual when you stumble across
1:57:42 them. It's one of the things we love
1:57:44 watching an outlier. We love watching
1:57:46 someone that's just like so unique and
1:57:47 different than everyone else. Like, wow.
1:57:50 >> We love that. like a Michael Jordan, a
1:57:52 Tiger Woods or someone is just like
1:57:54 above and beyond. You're like, "Wow, I
1:57:56 love that."
1:57:56 >> That was it. Definitely looking at like
1:57:57 the hero's journey with Joseph Campbell,
1:57:59 good versus evil. And with the whole
1:58:01 Daniel Comey and Jon Jones rivalry, I
1:58:03 was like, "Oh, this is it. This is
1:58:04 amazing. This is the, you know, the good
1:58:06 and evil and this is and then you have
1:58:08 something like John Jones who just goes,
1:58:09 "Oh, no, that's that's not." For me in
1:58:11 boxing as well, it was Mayweather and I
1:58:13 loved Ricky Hatton as well. So when you
1:58:15 saw Mayweather there, like if it doesn't
1:58:17 make money, it doesn't make sense on the
1:58:18 bags. And then you got Ricky Hatton
1:58:20 having a cup of tea with his grandma and
1:58:21 you're like, "Oh, this is it. That's so
1:58:23 wholesome."
1:58:24 >> That's a little bit of [ __ ] though.
1:58:25 Ricky was a [ __ ] animal. He He was He
1:58:28 was an animal. Ricky separated a lot of
1:58:31 people from their consciousness. He was
1:58:33 an animal. That was Daniel.
1:58:35 >> That was just a skill thing,
1:58:37 >> right? Okay. But Daniel Cormier is a
1:58:38 good one. They're teaching kids
1:58:39 wrestling and you're like, "Ah, this is
1:58:41 amazing." And then
1:58:41 >> Yeah.
1:58:42 >> Yeah.
1:58:42 >> Well, you know, John's not a bad guy.
1:58:44 He's just an animal. I mean, he's he's
1:58:46 cut from a different cloth, you know.
1:58:48 There's there's people in this world
1:58:50 that are just wilder, you know, and it's
1:58:52 one of the reasons why he's so good.
1:58:54 There's a certain element if you want to
1:58:55 be a professional cage fighter. You have
1:58:58 to there's a certain amount of you have
1:58:59 to have all these things to be the goat
1:59:01 like John. You have to have all these
1:59:03 things like perfect technique,
1:59:06 incredible work ethic when he does work,
1:59:08 uh, amazing talent, and an IQ for it.
1:59:11 It's that's a a really underrated factor
1:59:14 is Jon knows what to do with each po
1:59:17 famously will not take a fight on short
1:59:19 notice. Even with a guy like Chale Sunen
1:59:22 who on paper you can wake John up at
1:59:24 3:00 in the morning he's going to [ __ ]
1:59:26 Chel Sunn up on paper. No disrespect to
1:59:28 Chale he's a great fighter but there's
1:59:30 levels and I think Jon is just on a
1:59:32 complete and he's a larger man right
1:59:34 Chale did his some of his best work
1:59:36 almost won the title against Anderson
1:59:37 Silva at 185.
1:59:39 >> Jon is never making 185. He's a much
1:59:41 bigger man. And
1:59:43 >> John would not take a fight with Jail
1:59:44 Sonnen on short notice.
1:59:45 >> And when when he did take a fight with
1:59:47 Jail Sonnen, he [ __ ] him up in the
1:59:48 first round. He just annihilated him
1:59:50 >> even with a bad toe.
1:59:51 >> And well, he smashed his toe in the
1:59:53 process. He was pushing off the ground
1:59:55 so hard that he twisted his own [ __ ]
1:59:57 toe around.
1:59:58 >> I think we isolated it in a replay where
2:00:01 we could see the moment where his toe
2:00:03 snapped. And it was because he was
2:00:04 delivering ground and pound with such
2:00:07 force that as he was pushing off he
2:00:10 snapped his own toe and turned it
2:00:11 around.
2:00:12 >> And to this day when he fights he has to
2:00:14 tape those toes together
2:00:16 >> to this day.
2:00:17 >> One of my favorite Jon Jones is the uh
2:00:18 the arm bar with Vtor Bell for
2:00:20 >> Oh yeah.
2:00:20 >> Yeah.
2:00:21 >> Completely hyperextended.
2:00:23 >> But it's another example of like guys
2:00:25 won't tap if you break their arm.
2:00:27 >> You know they they will hang on. And
2:00:28 then he wound up winning that fight by
2:00:30 Kamura in the next round.
2:00:32 >> Yeah.
2:00:32 >> Yeah. He got through that where most
2:00:34 people would have tapped. His arm was
2:00:36 [ __ ] and he couldn't fight for a long
2:00:38 time after that cuz he had to
2:00:39 rehabilitate that arm. His arm was
2:00:41 [ __ ]
2:00:42 >> Yeah.
2:00:43 >> That going back to the
2:00:44 >> Yeah. Look at that. I mean that is and
2:00:45 also that's Vtor who was a Brazilian
2:00:48 jiu-jitsu black belt under Carlson
2:00:49 Gracie elite arm bar and then he wound
2:00:52 up tapping Vtor in the next round. Even
2:00:54 with his fight with um Gustiffson as
2:00:56 well, it just like going back to that
2:00:59 anterior meticulate cortex, it just must
2:01:01 be massive in him as well. Do you think
2:01:03 who who do you think I mean there's
2:01:04 obviously Gatei, who do you think is one
2:01:07 of the most durable, one of the most
2:01:08 >> Gachi is probably the most durable guy
2:01:10 ever, which is like incredible that Max
2:01:12 Hollow knocked him out like that. But
2:01:13 other guys that stopped him before, too.
2:01:15 But that's just a part of being a human
2:01:16 being. If you're a human being and you
2:01:19 get hit by the greatest fighters in the
2:01:20 world, you get stopped. It's just how it
2:01:22 is. It's just there's if you get hit
2:01:24 clean, no matter who you are, some guys
2:01:26 are more durable than other guys, but no
2:01:28 matter who you are,
2:01:30 >> somebody head kicks you, if somebody
2:01:32 hits you with a wheel kick or something
2:01:33 like that, you're most likely going to
2:01:34 go unconscious or close to it.
2:01:36 >> Yeah,
2:01:37 >> that's just a part of the game. A flying
2:01:39 knee, very few people can survive that.
2:01:41 It's just it's like one of those things
2:01:43 where you get hit and you just sep this
2:01:46 weekend uh or two weekends ago rather
2:01:49 >> with uh Johnny Walker.
2:01:51 Yeah. Johnny Walker hit this dude with
2:01:55 uh a knee from the tie clinch and a
2:01:58 heavyweight.
2:01:59 >> Yeah. And just separated him from his
2:02:02 consciousness. Like, and this guy's a
2:02:04 massive 265 lb man that he did it to.
2:02:07 And it just proves my point. It's like
2:02:09 no matter who you are, there's certain
2:02:11 things if you get hit with them, you
2:02:13 just can't take it. You just can't take
2:02:14 it. And with,
2:02:16 >> you know, the Max Holloway fight with
2:02:17 Justin that was in a five round war. He
2:02:20 had been beaten up because he got hit
2:02:22 with a jump spinning back kick to the
2:02:24 face at the end of the first round
2:02:26 shattered his nose. So his nose bowden
2:02:28 was broken. So he's compromised from the
2:02:30 end of the first round on and then Max
2:02:32 is hitting him with all these shots and
2:02:34 then finally in the fifth round in a
2:02:37 fight that Max is winning, Max points to
2:02:39 the ground and says, "Let's just stand
2:02:40 and throw." And they just whail at each
2:02:42 other and Max famously knocks him out
2:02:43 like one of the greatest. But that's not
2:02:45 indicative of how durable he is. It's
2:02:48 like most people would have never made
2:02:50 it to that fifth round. He's insanely
2:02:52 durable and that's why you saw that
2:02:54 fight with Ilia Taporia. He weathered
2:02:56 that second round and came back strong
2:02:58 in the third. He's insanely durable.
2:03:00 Like maybe the most durable guy in the
2:03:02 sport and the most calm under fire. Like
2:03:06 he never it never changes his
2:03:08 expression. He never looks lost. Even
2:03:11 when he's getting hurt, he never looks
2:03:13 out of it. He just looks hurt. But he's
2:03:15 always like like he went back to his
2:03:17 corner after the second round with
2:03:18 Tapora. Tapora dropped him with a liver
2:03:20 shot. He goes nice liver shot. He said
2:03:22 nice liver shot. He got me with a nice
2:03:24 body shot. He was like complimenting his
2:03:27 opponent for hitting him in a good spot.
2:03:29 He was like that calm like that was
2:03:30 nice. Nice liver shot.
2:03:32 >> It's almost that Emil Zatipek. It's
2:03:33 genuine. You seen in the corner he's
2:03:35 having the best time. I'm just like oh
2:03:38 you're wired different.
2:03:39 >> He's wired different. Justin's wired
2:03:41 very different. He's wired very
2:03:42 different. He's very smart. Like, he's a
2:03:45 smart meatthead. Like, people think of
2:03:47 him as being a dumbass because he's like
2:03:49 silly and he does back flips and uh-uh,
2:03:52 he's thought it out. Like, he's he knows
2:03:54 what he's doing. Like, he's he's doing
2:03:56 things that are very intelligent in
2:03:57 there. And he has a bunch of things that
2:03:59 he does that he does better than anybody
2:04:01 else. And one of them is the uppercut
2:04:03 from the collar tie. He does this collar
2:04:05 tie uppercut. He hits everybody with it
2:04:07 because he's a really good wrestler.
2:04:09 even though he doesn't use his wrestling
2:04:11 in MMA, he started out as a wrestler and
2:04:13 he's a very good athlete. And he's got
2:04:15 this collar tie uppercut that he catches
2:04:18 everybody with
2:04:19 >> and he pulls you into that uppercut,
2:04:21 man. He [ __ ] a lot of guys up with
2:04:23 that. That's one of his signature moves.
2:04:25 >> But you you've spoke about as well with
2:04:26 his wrestling in the past. I think this
2:04:28 is so interesting going back to what we
2:04:29 said about the the vententral stratum,
2:04:31 the part of the brain that when things
2:04:32 aren't going well, it almost implodes.
2:04:34 Like losing feels so so bad. But I think
2:04:36 wrestlers are just used to just getting
2:04:39 beaten up, beaten up. One of the best
2:04:41 examples on the swim, I have a friend
2:04:42 who's in the special forces. Um, I was
2:04:45 just every single tide, every single
2:04:47 swim, I was just behind. I was behind.
2:04:49 It was just again, like I said, just
2:04:51 biochemically, neuroscience, I was just
2:04:52 imploding. And he turned to me and this
2:04:54 this really helped to sort of change my
2:04:56 perspective on things. He said, "Ross,
2:04:58 in the special forces, uh, we're not
2:05:00 seeing how well you can win, we're
2:05:01 seeing how well you can lose." Time and
2:05:03 time again. I said, "Well, what do you
2:05:04 mean?" And he goes, "There was one
2:05:05 particular exercise that we did.
2:05:07 Basically, you're on the assault bike,
2:05:08 heart rate over 180, and they're
2:05:10 checking heart rate monitor. So, you are
2:05:12 redlining, coughing up a lung,
2:05:13 breathing. They get you off the assault
2:05:15 bike. They take you into a room. There's
2:05:16 a guy there who's like 6'6, just huge.
2:05:19 And then there's a door behind him, and
2:05:20 they say, "Okay, you need to get past
2:05:22 him. Behind that door, your friends,
2:05:24 your platoon regiment are over the other
2:05:27 side of the door. So, they just run in.
2:05:29 This guy 6'6 is there just holding you."
2:05:31 And then there's a guy with a clipboard
2:05:32 in the corner. guy with clipboard gives
2:05:34 a nod. Bang, knocks them clean out. He's
2:05:38 out cold. The next thing he knows, he's
2:05:40 being brought back round with smelling
2:05:41 salts and he gets up like that and
2:05:43 there's in his face going, "Do you want
2:05:44 to quit? Do you want to k quit?" And my
2:05:46 friend at the time was just like, "No,
2:05:48 no, I'm good." And they so they let him
2:05:50 up. He goes again, starts wrestling this
2:05:52 massive six, waits for the signal, guy
2:05:55 with a clipboard, nods, bang, knock down
2:05:57 again. Did it three times, brought them
2:06:00 back round and then and then they go,
2:06:01 "Okay, you've passed. you passed. What
2:06:03 was interesting is my friend said one
2:06:04 guy actually made it past and got to the
2:06:07 door only to find it was bolted shut.
2:06:09 You were you were never going to win
2:06:11 like ever. But that's not what they were
2:06:13 testing. They were testing your ability
2:06:15 to lose time and time again.
2:06:17 >> Oh, that's terrible for you.
2:06:19 >> No, it's bad. But but that idea of just
2:06:22 sheer adversity,
2:06:23 >> the idea is interesting. However,
2:06:25 concussions, repeated concussions can
2:06:27 change a person's life
2:06:28 >> for sure. Yeah.
2:06:29 >> Yeah. You knock a guy out, a big giant
2:06:31 guy knocks you out three times. That's a
2:06:32 terrible idea
2:06:33 >> for sure.
2:06:34 >> You sure they was punching them? He was
2:06:35 punching him in the face.
2:06:37 >> The way that the story was told to me.
2:06:38 Yeah,
2:06:39 >> I know. I mean, there's some br
2:06:41 selection. Some of my friends in the
2:06:42 special forces, some of the stories they
2:06:43 tell me about selection, I'm like, that
2:06:45 is brutal, but then you you realize
2:06:47 that's why they're mentally bulletproof.
2:06:48 >> Do you know who Mr. Ballin is on uh
2:06:51 YouTube?
2:06:51 >> No. Really interesting guy. Uh he's got
2:06:53 a a great YouTube channel where he tells
2:06:56 all these crazy uh spooky mystery
2:06:58 stories, but he's a Navy Seal
2:07:00 >> and former Navy Seal. And one of the
2:07:02 things that he said about um what the
2:07:04 people that make it through Buds, two
2:07:06 people that do really well, two groups
2:07:07 of people, one of them is wrestlers
2:07:09 because they're just mentally tough.
2:07:11 They're like they're they're training
2:07:13 and constantly being dehydrated and
2:07:16 tired and just pushing and and taking
2:07:18 satisfaction being the most miserable.
2:07:20 That's one of the things that wrestlers
2:07:22 do. They take satisfaction suffering the
2:07:24 most. They do really well. And then
2:07:26 water polo players.
2:07:28 >> Yeah. Yeah.
2:07:28 >> And then I was like, "Wow, why water
2:07:30 polo?" And then I didn't know that water
2:07:32 polo players never touch the ground.
2:07:35 They're constantly treading water while
2:07:37 they're playing that [ __ ] game. Like
2:07:39 you have to be in insane shape to be in
2:07:42 water polo. I never would have thought
2:07:43 of water.
2:07:44 >> You know, that was my background, by the
2:07:45 way.
2:07:45 >> I didn't.
2:07:46 >> Yeah. Yeah. So I played England school
2:07:47 boys all the way through to
2:07:48 international.
2:07:48 >> Oh, that makes sense.
2:07:50 >> No, no, no. I love that you brought that
2:07:52 up because it's it's absolutely true.
2:07:53 Again, there's um there's a famous very
2:07:56 famous match. It was basically called
2:07:57 Blood in the Water and it was the
2:07:58 Hungarians versus the Soviets and B
2:08:01 there was they were at war. You so they
2:08:03 were they were actually at war. The
2:08:04 Hungarians were training under gunfire,
2:08:06 bombs going off and everything. They
2:08:08 then drew each other. I can't remember
2:08:10 the name. It might have been the
2:08:11 Melbourne Olympics, I believe, in the
2:08:13 semi-finals. They drew each other.
2:08:15 There's famous pictures where basically
2:08:16 the water just went red. Blood in the
2:08:19 water. That's what it was called, the
2:08:20 match. And they just go at it. Um,
2:08:23 >> so they were at war with each other in
2:08:24 real life.
2:08:25 >> Yeah. And then they
2:08:26 >> So the Hungarians were at war with the
2:08:28 Russians and then they went to war in
2:08:30 volleyball in water.
2:08:32 >> In water polo, they got Yeah. They got
2:08:33 put against each other and they just go
2:08:35 at it. It's nuts. I mean, even like, you
2:08:37 can't see, but under my tongue, it's all
2:08:39 a little bit of a mess under there cuz I
2:08:41 remember I was playing water polo. Um,
2:08:43 we were in the south of France. I come
2:08:44 over the top like that. And as I do, I
2:08:47 catch an elbow and I just like bite
2:08:49 down. My tongue must have been out. And
2:08:51 so it cut my tongue in half. And then I
2:08:53 remember you then have to defend. It's
2:08:54 kind of like basketball constantly back
2:08:56 and forth like it's that quick.
2:08:57 >> Why you got a mouth full of blood at
2:08:59 >> Oh, there we go. Yeah.
2:09:01 >> Blood in the water.
2:09:02 >> Yeah.
2:09:03 >> Wow. So they're just fighting each
2:09:04 other.
2:09:05 >> Yeah. I think Hungary won, I believe,
2:09:07 4-0.
2:09:08 >> You have to be in insane shape.
2:09:10 >> Yeah.
2:09:10 >> To do that that game.
2:09:12 >> They're trained. I always found this
2:09:13 interesting because I made the England
2:09:15 school boy squad um at 13 and I was
2:09:18 playing against under 18. So I was I was
2:09:20 the wrong side of puberty and I was just
2:09:22 like playing against these just like men
2:09:25 who were trained in like water
2:09:26 jiu-jitsu. So I would throw a punch and
2:09:28 then I just be under the water while
2:09:30 >> you fight all the time in that.
2:09:32 >> All the time.
2:09:32 >> So it's like hockey.
2:09:33 >> It's exactly Yeah.
2:09:34 >> Hockey in the water.
2:09:35 >> It's exactly that. Yeah. Yeah. So one
2:09:37 guy
2:09:38 >> might be my new favorite sport. Are they
2:09:40 still allowed to fight?
2:09:40 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you put on YouTube,
2:09:42 just put underwater fights, water polo.
2:09:43 Just put it on and they'll have cameras
2:09:44 at the Olympics and it's absolutely I
2:09:46 mean, also
2:09:47 >> in the Olympics currently, you're still
2:09:48 allowed to fight
2:09:49 >> for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, some
2:09:50 of the women
2:09:51 >> are they allowed to fight in the
2:09:52 Olympics in hockey?
2:09:53 >> Oh, I don't know.
2:09:54 >> Probably not.
2:09:55 >> That's weak.
2:09:57 >> Weak sauce. That's part of the game.
2:09:59 >> It's But I mean, I come
2:10:01 >> boxing. You have boxing in the Olympics.
2:10:04 You won't let people fight in hockey.
2:10:05 That's whack.
2:10:06 >> Agreed. But I Yeah. Back to my tongue. I
2:10:08 come over the top.
2:10:09 >> What' you say, Jimmy? You're strictly
2:10:11 prohibited in Olympics.
2:10:13 >> Strictly
2:10:13 >> certainly not in water, by the way. You
2:10:14 still see it. And the women
2:10:16 >> water polo, they still they still get
2:10:17 after it.
2:10:18 >> The women's game is worse as well
2:10:18 because obviously they got more of a
2:10:19 suit to grab hold of as well. And you
2:10:21 look at some of the underw
2:10:28 and it splits my tongue in half. And I
2:10:30 remember I then sprinted back to defend
2:10:32 cuz they're Ross. Defend, defend. So I
2:10:34 sprint all the way back and you can
2:10:35 imagine now blood is just pumping around
2:10:37 my body. My heart is going nuts and I
2:10:40 stop and there's just blood everywhere.
2:10:42 Like the whole water has just turned red
2:10:44 around me, but I don't notice. I think
2:10:46 it's somebody else. So I go, "Guys,
2:10:47 guys, stop. Stop. Someone's been hit."
2:10:49 And then I look and everyone in the
2:10:51 stands is looking at me. And as they
2:10:53 did, I remember it's almost like, you
2:10:55 know, when you got like toffee or
2:10:56 something in your mouth stuck in your
2:10:57 teeth.
2:10:58 >> Well, that was my tongue. So I was like
2:11:00 I was going like trying to spit whatever
2:11:02 it was out. And then I looked and it was
2:11:04 just flapping.
2:11:06 >> Oh my god.
2:11:06 >> And they were like, "No, no, no. You're
2:11:07 done." And I got out. They sewed it up.
2:11:09 >> That's why it's a mess underneath.
2:11:11 >> Yeah.
2:11:11 >> How long does that take to heal?
2:11:12 >> Well, weirdly, the tongue heals really
2:11:14 quickly. Yeah. So, it wasn't wasn't too
2:11:16 long. I was good in about a week.
2:11:18 >> Yeah. Wow.
2:11:19 >> Yeah. It was pretty bad. But it's the
2:11:20 same in Malta as well. So, it's it's
2:11:22 huge in Malta. Um, but out there, they
2:11:25 will just put goals in the middle of the
2:11:27 sea and just start playing, you know.
2:11:28 So, we would go out and and if you're in
2:11:30 gold and jellyfish come over, that is
2:11:32 that is just part of the game.
2:11:34 >> Warrior people. Let me see. Uh, water
2:11:36 polo fights.
2:11:37 >> Yeah, I could I'm It's not that
2:11:39 >> not that exciting.
2:11:40 >> No, it's tough to see.
2:11:41 >> We'd have to curate.
2:11:42 >> I mean, it's not find a good one.
2:11:43 >> It's a lot of dudes really small.
2:11:47 >> It's moving very slowly because it's
2:11:49 underwater,
2:11:50 >> right?
2:11:51 >> Let me see.
2:11:51 >> And it's also in slow mot.
2:11:52 >> Oh, it's slow-mo. Also, they're showing
2:11:54 these guys hitting each other in
2:11:55 slow-mo.
2:11:56 >> It's really hard to catch it, I think,
2:11:58 as fast movement's happening because
2:12:00 >> it's just the amount of endurance that
2:12:02 you have to have to play a game like
2:12:03 this. How long are your periods?
2:12:06 >> Like how long quarters depends on the
2:12:09 age group, but yeah, four four minute
2:12:11 quarters. Four, five minute quarters.
2:12:12 >> So for four minutes, you're treading
2:12:14 water and sprinting.
2:12:16 >> It's weird. You're exactly right. It's
2:12:18 swimming mixed with BJJ.
2:12:21 >> Whoa. People are
2:12:22 >> It's swimming mixed with like Yeah. I
2:12:24 mean, Hungary are amazing.
2:12:26 >> Oh, they're smacking each other in the
2:12:27 face and [ __ ] Oh, that guy's choking
2:12:28 that guy.
2:12:30 >> Oh, they literally hold on to each other
2:12:32 and then they swing it. Oh, this is
2:12:34 crazy.
2:12:34 >> Yeah, there we go.
2:12:35 >> Oh my god, this is Oh my god, this is
2:12:37 crazy.
2:12:38 >> It's pretty standard. This is just Yeah,
2:12:40 this is normal at a local competition.
2:12:41 That's pretty standard.
2:12:42 >> No wonder why these guys make good
2:12:43 seals.
2:12:44 >> Yeah. Yeah, it it's is you're literally
2:12:46 drownroofing yourself. Like there's
2:12:48 sometimes when I'm caught in an Arctic
2:12:49 storm, I'm like, it's not as bad as
2:12:52 playing Hungary. Like the amount the
2:12:54 amount of times I was I was so close to
2:12:57 drowning, it was nuts.
2:12:59 >> Crazy.
2:13:00 >> Yeah. And I think especially as well, I
2:13:02 was always so young, like I said, I made
2:13:04 the under 18 England school boys team
2:13:05 when I was 13. So I was the wrong side
2:13:07 of puberty and and we were playing
2:13:09 against Malta at the time and they were
2:13:11 just like big like beards playing
2:13:13 against Hungary. And I just learned very
2:13:15 quickly to be comfortable being
2:13:17 uncomfortable, you know, that that
2:13:18 Justin Gate stress inoculation training
2:13:21 that ever since when I swim now and
2:13:23 they're like, "Ross is an Arctic storm."
2:13:24 I go, "Still got my tongue. He's not
2:13:27 >> [ __ ] dude.
2:13:28 >> Not too fat.
2:13:30 >> You know, we were talking about uh
2:13:31 Carlos Prates in that video that I was
2:13:34 watching about the fighting nerds about
2:13:35 how the guy like emulates animals and
2:13:38 stuff. One of the things that they were
2:13:39 talking about is how Carlos had a losing
2:13:41 record early in his career. He's like or
2:13:43 close to it like five wins, four losses
2:13:45 or something like that. It wasn't doing
2:13:46 well the first nine fights of his
2:13:48 career. And then he decides to go to
2:13:50 Thailand and he flies to Thailand. And
2:13:52 the only way to make any money in
2:13:53 Thailand is you have to fight. So he
2:13:55 winds up fighting like every week. So he
2:13:57 fights like six times in a month and
2:13:58 he's like fighting constantly. But
2:14:00 because of that constant fighting, then
2:14:02 he gets like really accustomed and calm
2:14:04 fighting. He has over a hundred Muay
2:14:06 Thai fights.
2:14:07 >> So he's fighting all the time and it
2:14:10 just becomes relaxed to him. And so when
2:14:12 you see him fight, he's always smiling,
2:14:14 having fun in there. It's because he's
2:14:15 fought so many times that he's sort of
2:14:19 that fear of whatever that experience is
2:14:22 like. For most people, it's like this
2:14:23 daunting thing. They lock the cage door.
2:14:25 Holy [ __ ] This guy is smoking
2:14:28 cigarettes the week of the fight,
2:14:30 smoking cigarettes the day of the fight,
2:14:32 drinking, partying, just dead relaxed
2:14:35 when he gets in there and [ __ ]
2:14:37 everybody up. Like literally world class
2:14:39 fighters like Jack Dela Matalena who was
2:14:41 the former world champion beat the [ __ ]
2:14:44 out of him at in in at his in his home
2:14:46 country of Australia just beats his ass
2:14:49 in a in a like a ferocious way where
2:14:52 you're watching like wow like the level
2:14:54 the gap between them is so vast
2:14:57 >> and he's just essentially a product of
2:15:00 that of just like being in the fire for
2:15:03 so long you just get forged
2:15:06 >> like constantly fighting See, I love
2:15:08 that. That goes back to like the ancient
2:15:09 Stoics, Epictit Tetus famously, I love
2:15:11 this term. He said getting wintered. He
2:15:13 said that wars were fought in the
2:15:14 summer, but what you do in the winter
2:15:15 has a profound impact on how well
2:15:17 prepared you'd be. So, they would just
2:15:19 be doing a cold hard winter's training.
2:15:21 The Spartans as well famously would be
2:15:23 given essentially a loin cloth and just
2:15:25 been told to endure the winter to fight,
2:15:27 you know, for your food, you know, so
2:15:28 you just create these crazy warriors.
2:15:30 And I think now we're getting modern
2:15:32 versions. I think the the closest, you
2:15:34 know, our mutual friend Liam Harrison,
2:15:36 but he's just he's wired different, you
2:15:39 know.
2:15:39 >> Yeah, I said I told him he fights like
2:15:40 he has rabies.
2:15:44 >> Absolutely. That's the best way to
2:15:47 >> He's like a little demon.
2:15:48 >> But what I love about Liam as well, if
2:15:50 anyone's ever spent any time around him,
2:15:52 and he won't mind me saying this, but
2:15:53 he's he's like vibrating. He's
2:15:55 definitely got ADHD, but now there's so
2:15:58 many studies with fighters saying those
2:16:00 with ADHD actually process things so
2:16:03 much quicker.
2:16:03 >> I don't even believe in ADHD.
2:16:06 >> Oh, you don't?
2:16:06 >> No, I don't think it's a disorder that
2:16:08 you're doping.
2:16:08 >> I don't think it's a disorder. I think
2:16:09 it's a superpower. I think we are
2:16:12 conditioning children to sit in a
2:16:13 classroom and do something that's
2:16:14 insanely boring. And some people can
2:16:16 endure it, and God bless them. And some
2:16:18 people are not designed for it. And I'm
2:16:20 one of them. And I don't think HD ADHD
2:16:22 is a problem at all. Oh, I think I think
2:16:24 it's a superpower. I think it gives you
2:16:26 the ability to concentrate on things
2:16:27 that you love to an extent that most
2:16:30 people cannot fathom.
2:16:31 >> I agree.
2:16:32 >> You could obsess at things. I could play
2:16:34 pool for 10 hours in a row and I don't
2:16:36 eat. I just drink coffee and play pool
2:16:38 and I don't have any problem with that.
2:16:39 And everybody else wants to quit. I want
2:16:40 to keep going forever. I That's ADHD.
2:16:43 And I I see it in other people that are
2:16:46 great at things. Gordon Ryan, for sure,
2:16:48 he's got it. He [ __ ] trains 365 days
2:16:50 a year. It's both things. It's
2:16:52 discipline, but it's also this obsession
2:16:55 that comes from if you were in school,
2:16:57 they would say you have a disorder.
2:16:58 There's something wrong with you. Why
2:17:00 can't you sit down and do this boring
2:17:01 [ __ ] all day? Well, cuz I don't like
2:17:03 that. But if you sit those kids down in
2:17:05 front of a computer and let them play
2:17:06 video games, look at all the
2:17:08 concentration they have. Look at all the
2:17:09 focus they have. Look at how locked in
2:17:11 they are in what they're doing. I don't
2:17:13 believe in it. I I believe it's a thing.
2:17:15 I don't believe it's a disorder. And by
2:17:17 the way, I'm not unsympathetic to the
2:17:19 varying degrees that people suffer from
2:17:21 all sorts of disorders. I think for some
2:17:23 people it probably is some sort of an a
2:17:25 real genuine issue, right? Where they
2:17:27 can't focus it and it's not something
2:17:29 they can concentrate on other things
2:17:31 that they love. They're just constantly
2:17:32 scattered. I'm not talking about that. I
2:17:34 think it's entirely overdiagnosed. And I
2:17:37 think there's a lot of people that are
2:17:39 just people that are just not wired to
2:17:42 follow the standard norm of what I think
2:17:45 is a very boring structure of most
2:17:48 school work and most most school like
2:17:51 most of what you have to endure when
2:17:53 you're a young kid is sitting down when
2:17:55 you have the most energy. You just woke
2:17:58 up, okay? You you're fully rested. You
2:18:00 ate breakfast. It's probably filled with
2:18:02 sugar and you're just [ __ ] piping.
2:18:04 You're sitting in that chair going Jesus
2:18:06 Christ. I don't give a [ __ ] about
2:18:07 Hitler. Why am I in this class learning
2:18:09 about World War II? I'm 10. I want to go
2:18:12 outside. I want to play ball. I want to
2:18:14 run around with my friends. I want to do
2:18:16 fun things. This sucks. And they'll tell
2:18:18 you, you need to get on riddling.
2:18:20 >> You know, they'll say, "Billy can't
2:18:21 concentrate. Billy doesn't know how to
2:18:22 count.
2:18:23 >> I I completely because I think to that
2:18:25 point, exactly. Friends of mine have
2:18:27 said like, Ross, you have you definitely
2:18:29 traits of ADHD." And again, I'm the same
2:18:31 as you. I don't like that term because I
2:18:32 always just say my dopamine works a
2:18:33 little bit differently. And what I mean
2:18:35 by that sometimes as well is even
2:18:37 understanding the sort of biochemistry
2:18:39 on 400 milligrams of caffeine and then
2:18:41 maybe like cognizen for acetylcholine as
2:18:43 well. So I'm
2:18:44 >> what is cognizen?
2:18:45 >> Um it basically is a a supplement a
2:18:49 neutropic that will positively interact
2:18:51 with acetylcholine which is a
2:18:53 neurotransmitter that is less jacked up.
2:18:55 You're just kind of dialed in and
2:18:57 focused. Um that and alpha GPC. If I
2:19:00 take that combination, I am just dialed
2:19:03 in and just swimming. Every single
2:19:05 stroke, I'm just there like going good,
2:19:06 high elbow, good. And so,
2:19:08 >> are you like constantly filling up in
2:19:10 that stuff? Are you like replenishing
2:19:11 your stock while you're as you're
2:19:13 swimming?
2:19:13 >> Yeah, alpha GPC you I know Huberman
2:19:15 talks about you have to cycle that. So,
2:19:17 that I will. Um, but certainly with
2:19:18 caffeine, Cognizant, I'll be having that
2:19:20 pretty much on most swims.
2:19:22 >> Alpha GPC you have to cycle in terms of
2:19:23 like how often can you take it?
2:19:25 >> Hubman talks about every two days and
2:19:27 then three days off. I think that sort
2:19:29 of cycle. Yeah, you can build up a very
2:19:30 quick tolerance to it.
2:19:31 >> Interesting. 2 days and then 3 days off.
2:19:33 But this other stuff, Cognizen you said.
2:19:36 So what is in that?
2:19:37 >> Uh so so that's the ingredient. That's
2:19:38 the neutropic. I hope I'm getting this
2:19:40 right.
2:19:40 >> So it is an actual it's not a
2:19:42 combination.
2:19:43 >> No no no. And that affects acetylcholine
2:19:45 which is amazing just for their just
2:19:47 focus.
2:19:47 >> Do you ever take acetylcholine by
2:19:48 itself?
2:19:49 >> No. So that's the neuro
2:19:50 >> or alpha GPC. Do you ever take that?
2:19:52 >> Uh alpha. Yeah. Alpha GPC. Yeah. There
2:19:54 you go. So, it's a patented branded form
2:19:56 of aceticoline.
2:19:59 >> Um, a natural brain nutrient and
2:20:01 neutropic ingredient used in dietary
2:20:02 supplements, energy drinks, and
2:20:04 functional beverages. I like that term,
2:20:06 functional beverages. Isn't everything
2:20:08 beverage functional?
2:20:09 >> You know, you're getting hydrated,
2:20:11 you're getting drunk,
2:20:13 >> you're getting caffeinated. Those are
2:20:14 functional.
2:20:15 >> But will you do that as well? Whether
2:20:16 you're training or dialed in on
2:20:18 something, you'll know how your brain
2:20:19 runs. You'll say, "Okay, I've got you
2:20:21 know what really helps me is creatine."
2:20:23 Creatine is a big one and uh I only
2:20:26 become aware of that over the last I
2:20:27 don't know few years or so that how much
2:20:30 of an effect it has on mental focus and
2:20:32 one of the things that they've shown is
2:20:34 people with sleep deprivation that when
2:20:36 you have we're sleepd deprived when you
2:20:39 take I think it's 10 or 20 mil grams
2:20:42 >> a lot it's a lot right 20 is it 20 grams
2:20:45 >> a lot I think it's more than that
2:20:46 >> is it uh so whatever it is uh I I
2:20:49 believe it's 20 grams or above whatever
2:20:51 it is whatever the what's wrong with
2:20:53 number is just so we could help people.
2:20:55 >> Um it severely mitigates the uh negative
2:20:59 aspects of sleep deprivation in terms of
2:21:01 cognitive function, memory, all those
2:21:03 different things. And I find that, you
2:21:04 know, I've done a bunch of podcasts
2:21:06 where, you know, like I said, I play
2:21:07 pool a lot. I have a I have a real
2:21:08 problem. And sometimes I'll come home
2:21:10 from the comedy club and it'll be, you
2:21:12 know, midnight and I'm wired from, you
2:21:14 know, hanging out and
2:21:15 >> Oh, 25
2:21:16 >> 25 30 grams for many adults.
2:21:19 >> A small study.
2:21:20 >> Strongest acute study is large. Uh,
2:21:22 okay.
2:21:24 Not a normal daily maintenance dose.
2:21:26 Okay. So, so if you're tired, take 25 to
2:21:29 30 grams.
2:21:30 >> And then that's the response. And
2:21:32 normally I take 10 or 20. That's my
2:21:34 normal.
2:21:35 >> And you and that's cognitively then
2:21:36 you'll be back to baseline.
2:21:39 >> Uh, allegedly. It's hard to know, you
2:21:41 know. I mean, we all vary daily. I I
2:21:44 have days where I come in, I'm like,
2:21:45 "Oo, I'm firing today." And then other
2:21:47 days where I'm like, I can't even
2:21:48 remember words. Like, how the [ __ ] am I
2:21:50 doing this for a
2:21:50 >> living? Yeah,
2:21:51 >> you know, your brain is very it's it's
2:21:53 it's like the [ __ ] earth's
2:21:55 temperature. It [ __ ] fluctuates a
2:21:56 lot.
2:21:57 >> That is exactly it. And certainly on my
2:21:58 longer swims. Now, creatine, I actually
2:22:00 didn't do that during the Yukon swim.
2:22:02 So, weirdly, there's just a part of me
2:22:03 that does want to go back just to
2:22:05 actually trial that because towards the
2:22:07 end of the Yukon swim, I was in pieces.
2:22:09 So, I would love to see if I could
2:22:11 actually, you know, supplement to go
2:22:12 that much further. And I think creatine
2:22:14 was one that that I would love to add to
2:22:16 the arsenal.
2:22:17 >> So, here's what Jamie just pulled up. It
2:22:18 says as part of the study 15 test
2:22:20 subjects were kept awake overnight and
2:22:22 had to solve cognitive tasks during this
2:22:24 time. Sleep deprivation tends to change
2:22:27 uh leads rather to changes in brain
2:22:29 metabolism that promote the cellular
2:22:30 uptake of creatine. Beforehand the test
2:22:32 subjects have received a high single
2:22:34 dose of creatine important metabolic
2:22:36 product that is found in food and can
2:22:38 also be produced by the body itself. 3
2:22:40 hours after taking the creatine, a
2:22:42 positive effect on the brain metabolism
2:22:44 and cognitive performance of the test
2:22:46 subjects could already be observed. The
2:22:48 effect reached its peak after 4 hours
2:22:50 and lasted up to 9 hours. In particular,
2:22:52 the improvements in processing capacity
2:22:55 and short-term memory were seen. The
2:22:57 results suggested that a single but high
2:22:59 dose of creatine enhances thinking
2:23:01 capacity and causes changing changes
2:23:04 rather in the brain's energy reserves
2:23:06 during sleep deprivation. I wonder um
2:23:09 what it does if you're not sleep
2:23:11 deprived. Like what if you're a kid and
2:23:12 you have to take your ACTs or something
2:23:14 like that? Like what what would that do
2:23:16 for you?
2:23:16 >> That is interesting cuz I I think that's
2:23:18 the next frontier almost as well. Like I
2:23:20 think we we've known
2:23:21 >> small test subject, right? But it's
2:23:23 still if you get a significant result
2:23:24 from 15 people and you can measure the
2:23:26 changes.
2:23:27 >> I'd like to see it on a large study, but
2:23:29 it's interesting.
2:23:31 >> What what are a lot of the athletes
2:23:32 using now in the OC supplement wise?
2:23:34 creatine.
2:23:34 >> Creatine is for sure one of them. But
2:23:36 the issue with creatine is also it helps
2:23:38 you put mass on. And a lot of these guys
2:23:40 are trying to lose weight. So I don't
2:23:42 know uh what what they're doing in terms
2:23:45 of like there's some guys that are
2:23:46 extreme weight cutters. There's guys
2:23:48 that are cutting, you know, 20 lb, 30
2:23:50 lbs the week of the fight. It's really
2:23:53 and and rehydrating to a ridiculous
2:23:55 extent like before the fight. Like Alex
2:23:57 Pereira is the greatest example. Alex
2:23:59 would gain 40 lbs when he was fighting
2:24:02 at 185 lbs. So he's fighting at 185 and
2:24:05 he would weigh in on fight day at 225
2:24:07 226
2:24:09 >> which is nuts.
2:24:10 >> Yeah. I always love Rob whist who let
2:24:12 this guy in.
2:24:13 >> Very strange. So it's also saying don't
2:24:15 take that much
2:24:16 >> right. Don't take that much
2:24:18 >> even once. It says
2:24:19 >> oh even once it's bad because it could
2:24:20 put a heavy strain.
2:24:21 >> It says for the time being however it's
2:24:23 not advisable for people to take such a
2:24:25 high dose of creatine at home at home as
2:24:28 high doses of the substance put a heavy
2:24:30 strain on the kidneys and can cause
2:24:31 health risks. I wonder if you can
2:24:33 mitigate that strain by hyper um
2:24:36 >> said it was temporary too.
2:24:38 >> It's temporary. Yeah, for sure. It says
2:24:39 four hours.
2:24:41 >> But what's temporary?
2:24:42 >> The the the gain of cognitive effects.
2:24:46 >> Well, for the large dose, right, for
2:24:47 sleep deprived people,
2:24:49 >> it's just that seems risky.
2:24:50 >> Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah. I mean, I
2:24:52 don't think but I think one dose is
2:24:54 probably akin to one night of drinking.
2:24:57 Like, I don't think it's that bad. I
2:24:58 think I think the real problem is you
2:25:00 can't take that amount every day.
2:25:02 >> No.
2:25:02 >> Like what is I know people that take 20
2:25:04 grams a day though.
2:25:06 >> There's so many people though that are
2:25:08 just redlinining.
2:25:09 >> And the thing is it's like their their
2:25:11 biology might be different than your
2:25:13 biology. You know, some people like they
2:25:15 don't have a problem drinking every day.
2:25:17 Like Shane Gillis can just drink every
2:25:18 day and he's he got his liver tested.
2:25:20 He's fine. And we were all like what?
2:25:24 >> But I'm fascinated by this.
2:25:25 >> The [ __ ] Like I said, for future swims,
2:25:27 I think, you know, certainly at 41 years
2:25:29 old, I'm kind of as fit as I'm going to
2:25:31 be, you know, is that's this is the new
2:25:33 frontier for me, you know, looking at
2:25:34 neutropics. Um I know where
2:25:37 >> I bet hypoxia training, too.
2:25:39 >> You think? Yeah, that could add. Yeah.
2:25:41 >> Yeah. Yeah. I I really do. I think it
2:25:43 just it raises your capacity.
2:25:45 >> I think it changes the red blood cell
2:25:47 count in your body.
2:25:48 >> That's it. Yeah.
2:25:49 >> Yeah. I mean, just like EPO does, right?
2:25:51 >> Aggregation of marginal gains. Now I'm
2:25:53 just at a point where I'm like right
2:25:54 where can I just get like 1% here there.
2:25:56 >> Are you using sauna regularly?
2:25:58 >> Not as often I should be.
2:25:59 >> Yeah.
2:25:59 >> God that should be a daily for you.
2:26:00 >> Yeah. You think? And even doing my
2:26:01 cardio in there as well.
2:26:03 >> Well yeah you can. I mean that's one of
2:26:05 the aspects of the exalt chamber.
2:26:07 >> So they do two different types of uh
2:26:09 training in it. One type of training is
2:26:11 high altitude. The other type is high
2:26:13 heat.
2:26:14 >> So uh I'll do sessions in there at 100°.
2:26:16 And so yeah. And so but it's not high
2:26:19 altitude. It's like st it's regular
2:26:21 altitude. It's counterproductive to do
2:26:23 the two of them together.
2:26:24 >> Yeah. Because it's blood plasma
2:26:27 >> according to the guys who are smart.
2:26:30 >> The the the thing you're doing is when
2:26:32 you are at high altitude, your heartbeat
2:26:35 is naturally lower. It's difficult to
2:26:37 get your heartbeat that high because
2:26:39 there's no no oxygen in the air. When
2:26:41 you're at high heat, your heart rate is
2:26:43 high immediately. Like one of the things
2:26:45 that I do, I'll uh do bag work. I do
2:26:48 heavy bag rounds and then after the
2:26:49 rounds, I jump right into the sauna. So,
2:26:52 I go from being exhausted, I give myself
2:26:55 just so I'm not dying so I could breathe
2:26:58 normal. Like at the end of the rounds,
2:27:00 I'm usually like really breathing heavy.
2:27:02 I drink some electrolytes. I always
2:27:04 bring a big 64 ouncez jug of water with
2:27:07 ice and electrolytes in it. And then I
2:27:09 go in 196 degrees and I sit in there for
2:27:12 20 25 minutes and I wear uh one of those
2:27:15 uh straps, one of those um heart rate
2:27:18 monitors and my [ __ ] will be at like 147
2:27:21 148 the entire time I'm sitting there
2:27:23 >> cuz I never it never got to go down.
2:27:26 >> So it's jacked up from the workout,
2:27:28 right? And then I go right in and it I
2:27:30 might be at 100 when I step in there and
2:27:32 it goes right back up, right back up. So
2:27:35 like 10 15 minutes in there, I'm just
2:27:37 sitting there and I'm at one especially
2:27:39 when I start doing heavy stretches,
2:27:40 which is why I do a lot of I find that
2:27:43 you can do stretches when you're in that
2:27:46 195 degree 196 degree heat that you're
2:27:48 just not going to be able to pull off.
2:27:50 And so I force my tissue to just force
2:27:54 it into position and hold it. And that
2:27:56 really jacks your heart rate up. Then
2:27:58 I'll get into the 150s because I I love
2:28:01 to go on a bit of a tangent as well.
2:28:03 Now, there's so many good meta studies
2:28:05 on um so studies of lots of studies of
2:28:07 ultra endurance athletes, but some of
2:28:08 the best now. These aren't guys just
2:28:10 like hanging in there. These guys are
2:28:11 winning between 35 up to 50. You know,
2:28:14 those like grizzly old guys and old
2:28:16 women who are just amazing.
2:28:18 >> Don't you think that's mental though?
2:28:19 Like your your mind gets harder as you
2:28:21 get older.
2:28:22 >> This is exactly what I was about to jump
2:28:23 on. So, I think there's a few things.
2:28:24 One is capillary density, mitochondrial
2:28:27 efficiency that you only get after like
2:28:29 years and years and years. So, it's like
2:28:31 when you're younger, V2, lactic
2:28:33 threshold, elasticity of tendons, all of
2:28:36 those things absolutely are better when
2:28:38 you're younger. And that's why you see
2:28:39 so many 100 meter, you know, champions
2:28:41 and sprinters, they're always younger.
2:28:43 But now, I think all of those things
2:28:45 that you're talking about now, heat
2:28:46 adaptation, uh, hyperbaric James,
2:28:48 everything like that, um, hypoxic
2:28:50 chambers, sorry. Everything like that is
2:28:52 just trying to create, I think, now a
2:28:54 new generation of older athletes. And
2:28:55 we're even seeing it 39 years old, Alex
2:28:58 Pereira.
2:28:59 >> Yes. You're Romero 49.
2:29:01 >> Yeah. Yeah. But he is he's off the
2:29:03 charts.
2:29:04 >> He makes no sense.
2:29:05 >> He's off the chart. That's an outlier.
2:29:06 He's he's an outlier. He's another guy.
2:29:09 >> He is. Yeah.
2:29:09 >> He's he's so unusual when you look at
2:29:11 him. He doesn't seem like he's aging.
2:29:13 It's It's insane.
2:29:15 >> You know, and he's still moves like a
2:29:17 cat at 49 years old.
2:29:19 >> Did you see his bare knuckle fight that
2:29:21 he had with Darren Till? Crazy.
2:29:22 >> I know.
2:29:23 >> Knocked Darren Hill down. Arguably could
2:29:25 have won that fight. You know, it was a
2:29:26 very close fight, but arguably you could
2:29:28 have given the A lot of people online
2:29:29 thought Yoel won that fight 49.
2:29:32 >> Yeah, but we're seeing it across the
2:29:33 board now as well. Like Kip Chigi won
2:29:36 the very recent marathon. Was it
2:29:37 Melbourne? I can't remember. You got
2:29:39 Messi, you got Ronaldo. Messi has only
2:29:40 just retired. Ronaldo, LeBron, I think
2:29:43 LeBron makes no sense because everything
2:29:45 that I just described there, your
2:29:46 proportion of fast twitch fibers reduces
2:29:48 as you get older. Elasticity of tendons.
2:29:51 >> Yeah.
2:29:52 >> How? So, I understand if you're Messi
2:29:54 who's just amazing, his vision of the
2:29:56 game and everything, he can sit there in
2:29:57 midfield just spraying the ball,
2:29:59 >> but LeBron makes no sense.
2:30:01 >> Well, LeBron is meticulous in his
2:30:02 rehabilitation. Meticulous. He spends an
2:30:05 incredible amount of time, like famously
2:30:07 spends millions of dollars just on
2:30:09 rehabilitating his body every year.
2:30:11 >> Wow.
2:30:11 >> On massage and all different therapies
2:30:14 and I mean, he's doing everything. And
2:30:15 I'm sure he's I don't know what the
2:30:17 rules are in the NBA with peptides and
2:30:19 all that other jazz, but I'm sure he's
2:30:20 on all that stuff, too, right?
2:30:22 >> I mean, if he's not, I'd be stunned.
2:30:24 Like, why wouldn't you be? That's crazy,
2:30:26 >> you know? Why wouldn't you be on BPC57
2:30:29 and TB500 and and if you're allowed to
2:30:31 be, you should definitely be on
2:30:32 testosterone and definitely be on some
2:30:35 sort of uh human growth hormone either
2:30:39 something that pumps it up like
2:30:41 Samoralin, which like naturally um makes
2:30:44 your body produce more testo or more
2:30:46 human growth hormone, something that
2:30:48 allows his body to regenerate tissue and
2:30:50 heal quicker. He has to be on something.
2:30:52 M
2:30:52 >> I mean I would imagine otherwise it's
2:30:54 crazy that he could perform
2:30:56 >> cuz one of the things that we talk about
2:30:58 a lot or I talk about a lot with serial
2:31:00 gone who's the UFC heavyweight champion
2:31:02 is that serial has a background in
2:31:03 basketball and I think that's a factor
2:31:06 because I think his movement his ability
2:31:08 to move his it's like basketball you're
2:31:11 doing plyometrics all the time.
2:31:13 >> Peptides are banned.
2:31:14 >> What's the rules? Synthetic and growth
2:31:16 hormone releasing peptides are banned in
2:31:18 the NBA.
2:31:19 >> Are they testing them? What is banned?
2:31:21 Growth hormone releasing peptides,
2:31:23 growth hormone uh secrets.
2:31:27 How do you say that word?
2:31:29 >> Secretogs.
2:31:30 >> Secretogs and other synthetic compounds
2:31:33 designed to stimulate growth hormone or
2:31:35 enhance recovery are strictly
2:31:36 prohibited.
2:31:37 >> But what about uh BPC57?
2:31:40 >> Specifically, that one
2:31:41 >> BPC57 was weird because it was allowed
2:31:43 by water and then it was banned.
2:31:45 >> It should be allowed. All it does is
2:31:46 regenerate tissue or rather uh help heal
2:31:49 tissue. It's banned. Banned in the NBA.
2:31:51 It's classified as an unapproved
2:31:53 substance under the world anti-doping
2:31:55 ay's prohibited list
2:31:57 >> and follows broader anti-doping policies
2:32:00 against unapproved peptides and
2:32:01 experimental drugs. Listen man, there's
2:32:04 zero studies that show there's any
2:32:06 negative effects of BBC157.
2:32:08 And there's a lot of at least anecdotal
2:32:10 evidence first and foremost that it's
2:32:13 very beneficial for people recovering
2:32:14 from injuries. But then there's other
2:32:16 also studies that indicate that it
2:32:19 really is helpful for people.
2:32:20 >> So someone was suspended.
2:32:22 >> No, I was looking this up because uh
2:32:24 last year this player was on the Lakers,
2:32:25 Luca Donuch, very famously got hurt
2:32:27 right before the playoffs started. And
2:32:28 he went to Spain to get treated and did
2:32:31 not get better. And what that treatment
2:32:33 was was not really publicly talked
2:32:35 about, but people were saying, you know,
2:32:37 get him on stem cells, get him on BBC
2:32:38 157, right?
2:32:39 >> Get him back in the get him back so we
2:32:41 can play that. I don't know if if they
2:32:43 are doing it. They have to take time off
2:32:45 so they can hide, you know, from
2:32:46 whatever.
2:32:47 >> Sort of like Connor did when he broke
2:32:48 his leg, right? He got out of the doping
2:32:50 pool,
2:32:51 >> right?
2:32:51 >> Yeah. And then got jacked and they go
2:32:54 [ __ ] jacked.
2:32:55 >> Became Wolverine.
2:32:56 >> Got super jacked. He looked like you.
2:32:57 All of a sudden, he weighed 220 lbs.
2:32:59 [ __ ] jacked.
2:33:01 >> I don't know if he got that big, but
2:33:03 point is like I think uh at least
2:33:05 peptides that help injuries. Listen, you
2:33:08 you're dealing with a sport where your
2:33:10 primary goal is to create an injury on
2:33:12 your opponent and you're practicing
2:33:14 injuring each other all day long. Like
2:33:16 you're going to get injuries and
2:33:18 anything that would help these athletes
2:33:20 get to the finish line, like get to the
2:33:22 cage in reasonable health because
2:33:24 they're always banged up. Like whenever
2:33:26 you see even at a world championship
2:33:27 level when you see a guy looks awesome,
2:33:29 guarantee that guy's dealing with some
2:33:30 [ __ ] Guarantee that guy's got a sore
2:33:32 hand, a [ __ ] up shoulder, his knee
2:33:35 hurts, something's wrong. There's no way
2:33:37 you get through a 12week camp with a
2:33:39 bunch of [ __ ] trained assassins and
2:33:42 you don't get banged up. You're getting
2:33:44 banged up. And BPC57 would help those
2:33:46 people.
2:33:47 >> But they're also doing there's a lot of
2:33:49 stuff these guys are doing now. A lot of
2:33:50 guys are invested in hyperbaric
2:33:52 chambers. Um they're doing a lot of
2:33:54 hyperbaric therapy which really does
2:33:56 accelerate uh healing uh from injuries
2:34:00 and just general just general overall
2:34:03 recovery from just life itself. I mean
2:34:05 it's Incredible.
2:34:06 >> They were amazing for me. Like we were
2:34:08 talking about earlier when I tore most
2:34:10 of the tendons in my rotator cuff. That
2:34:12 was after the Yukon and the doctor was
2:34:14 like, "How how did you not know?" And I
2:34:15 was like, "Well, I had hypothermia and I
2:34:17 was trying to dodge bears. I had other
2:34:19 stuff. I had other stuff on my mind at
2:34:22 the time. If I was a doctor, I'd be so
2:34:24 pumped to talk to you. I'd be like,
2:34:25 "Whoa, like look, this is an interesting
2:34:28 study."
2:34:29 >> Right. Right.
2:34:30 >> Like what what did you say? But but it
2:34:33 was mu stem cells were were amazing.
2:34:35 Then hyperbaric red light therapy. I did
2:34:38 everything and that got me back to the
2:34:39 start line uh ready for Iceland. Um I
2:34:42 think without it I might have needed
2:34:44 them reattached with surgery. So that's
2:34:45 how good they were for me.
2:34:46 >> Yeah, it's extraordinary what they can
2:34:48 do now and it keeps getting better. And
2:34:51 you know in this country there's this
2:34:53 battle between pharmaceutical drug
2:34:55 companies that want to they want to
2:34:57 patent these peptides and they want to
2:34:58 profit off of them. And then there's
2:35:00 also a lot of people who don't want
2:35:02 people taking these therapies because it
2:35:05 will cost them money in terms of the
2:35:06 amount of orthopedic surgeries they get.
2:35:08 >> That's a real thing and they have
2:35:10 influence and there's it's a real
2:35:12 problem and and unfortunately people are
2:35:14 willing to sacrifice the greater health
2:35:17 and recovery of the entire population
2:35:19 for their own personal gain. And that's
2:35:21 dark but accurate.
2:35:23 >> Agreed. Yeah. And if we were really
2:35:25 smart, we would be investing an
2:35:27 incredible amount of money into studying
2:35:29 these things. And there's not just that,
2:35:31 they're helping people with neurological
2:35:33 conditions. They're helping people
2:35:34 recover from like Parkinson syndrome
2:35:36 >> or Parkinson symptoms, you know, they're
2:35:39 they're they're doing them intraasally
2:35:42 for people that have lung disorders.
2:35:44 Like there's a lot of like really good
2:35:46 work that's being done
2:35:47 >> with stem cells. Does it mean they all
2:35:49 are the same and they all work great?
2:35:50 No. That's like there's shady places.
2:35:52 This is also part of the problem. Like
2:35:54 if you're traveling to some god-forsaken
2:35:56 part of the world to go do this therapy
2:35:57 because it's not legal in America.
2:35:59 >> Okay. Well, you got to be real careful
2:36:01 where you're going. You know, there's
2:36:03 some places like
2:36:04 >> the CPI, which is in Tijana, that's very
2:36:07 ethical and they they do everything
2:36:08 really great. But there's other places
2:36:10 where I've heard people get infected,
2:36:12 they have like horrible disease, you
2:36:13 know, they they get staff infections and
2:36:16 they wind up almost paralyzed. A lot of
2:36:18 [ __ ] up things can happen
2:36:20 >> when you're doing this stuff. if you
2:36:21 don't go to a good place.
2:36:22 >> Yeah.
2:36:22 >> But it it the bottom line is though
2:36:25 that's a problem with all medical
2:36:28 interventions. That's a problem with
2:36:29 surgery. That's a problem with like it's
2:36:31 a big one of the main killers in this
2:36:33 country. I think it's we we talked about
2:36:35 this recently. It's like the number
2:36:37 three killer in this country is medical
2:36:40 mishaps. like is either misdiagnosis or
2:36:45 bad treatment or some sort of a mistake
2:36:48 that someone makes.
2:36:50 >> It's a problem,
2:36:51 >> you know. So, it's a pro. It's like
2:36:53 human beings are very vulnerable and
2:36:55 >> you know, so it's not a cure all, but it
2:36:58 is a very promising therapy. And for
2:37:00 people that have had incredible results,
2:37:02 and I'm one of them, from stem cells,
2:37:04 like I'm screaming from the rooftops
2:37:06 like, "Hey, let's not just throw the
2:37:07 baby out with the bath water with this
2:37:09 stuff. this this should be you should we
2:37:12 could help a lot of folks who have a lot
2:37:14 of like real serious problems with this
2:37:16 [ __ ]
2:37:16 >> That's what they said to me. They were
2:37:17 like Ross, you know, this would have
2:37:18 been a death sentence for your career.
2:37:20 You know, you'd have swam around Great
2:37:22 Britain. You've just done the Yukon.
2:37:23 You're good. You're done. You know,
2:37:24 whereas it's amazing now I've seen it
2:37:26 that it's just managed to extend my
2:37:28 career, you know, just a little bit
2:37:29 more. I think that's
2:37:30 >> and just also for people that aren't
2:37:32 professional athletes, just extend your
2:37:33 health. Like so many people that have
2:37:35 had like these injuries like a a good
2:37:37 friend of mine had a knee problem and
2:37:39 you know he's not an athlete he's just a
2:37:41 guy who runs and his knee was in pain
2:37:42 all the time. I brought him into waste
2:37:44 well he got a shot in his knee. This was
2:37:46 2 years ago and he's like I run all the
2:37:48 time it never bothers me now. I'm like
2:37:49 that's nuts man that didn't exist
2:37:51 before.
2:37:52 >> Agreed.
2:37:53 >> That didn't exist.
2:37:54 >> Agreed.
2:37:54 >> And I think this is just the beginning.
2:37:56 I think we're at the beginning of this
2:37:58 stuff. They keep coming out with new
2:38:00 innovations and and new therapies that
2:38:03 are even more effective. Muse stem cells
2:38:05 being one of the greatest ones that's
2:38:07 more recent.
2:38:07 >> I agree. I agree.
2:38:08 >> They need more studies, more stuff, more
2:38:10 work. This is going to help a lot of
2:38:12 [ __ ] people, man. And you know, we
2:38:14 have to be really careful as to what
2:38:16 influence we're receiving as to why this
2:38:18 is a bad thing.
2:38:20 >> You know, I think this is a real problem
2:38:21 in this country in particular because
2:38:23 this country is like so ate up with
2:38:25 money. You know, money influences so
2:38:27 many narratives in this country. It
2:38:29 distorts reality. You're looking at
2:38:31 everything through a funhouse mirror
2:38:33 lens. You know, it's it's hard to tell
2:38:34 what's what.
2:38:35 >> Yeah.
2:38:36 >> What's good for you, what's bad for what
2:38:37 should be recommended, what should be
2:38:39 never taken.
2:38:40 >> You know,
2:38:41 >> my hospital visit on that note was was
2:38:43 so bad at the end. The rotator cuffs was
2:38:45 also like the
2:38:45 >> How bad was the food?
2:38:47 >> It It was pretty good actually. It was
2:38:48 in Canada in the UK. It was pretty good.
2:38:50 Yeah. Yeah. Pancakes meat. Moose meat
2:38:52 and pancakes.
2:38:52 >> Genuinely did. Yeah. They gave you
2:38:54 moose. Yeah. Yeah. and jerky as well.
2:38:56 Oh, it was so good.
2:38:57 >> That's incredible.
2:38:58 >> Yeah, it was amazing.
2:38:58 >> [ __ ] yeah, Canada.
2:38:59 >> Yeah. Yeah,
2:39:00 >> that's awesome.
2:39:01 >> Indeed. America, you'd get [ __ ]
2:39:04 >> Froot Loops.
2:39:06 >> Froot Loops to recover.
2:39:07 >> It was amazing. But we uh Oh, I'm going
2:39:10 to apologize now for this story, but but
2:39:11 basically, uh, during the Yukon swim, I
2:39:13 had a specially made wet suit.
2:39:15 >> So, because I can't touch the boat, no
2:39:17 one can touch me, I can't touch land.
2:39:19 Um, going to the toilet was obviously
2:39:20 problematic.
2:39:21 >> Oh boy.
2:39:22 >> Right. Right. So you'd have like one of
2:39:23 them hatches out the back
2:39:24 >> is exactly it. Yeah, we had we had a poo
2:39:26 flap made like just this zip. Yeah, a
2:39:28 poo flap mate. So we had a poo flap made
2:39:30 on the suit. Um it worked in training.
2:39:33 Um we then we took it on the swim to to
2:39:36 this day. I think we were honestly about
2:39:37 6 hours into what was a 60-hour swim. 6
2:39:40 hours in.
2:39:41 >> I didn't even think about pooping.
2:39:42 >> Yeah, you don't know, do you? That's
2:39:44 what will the whole expedition will come
2:39:46 unstuck because of that. We're 6 hours
2:39:48 in. Uh, to this day I still don't know
2:39:50 if the poo flap was in the wrong place
2:39:51 or my bum hole is in the wrong place.
2:39:53 But I end up going to the toilet and it
2:39:55 doesn't work. Like what was meant to
2:39:56 clear the wets suit doesn't clear the
2:39:58 wet suit.
2:39:58 >> So it's filling your suit up with poop.
2:40:00 >> Exactly that. Yeah. Yeah. I I'm then
2:40:02 faced with a decision and this goes back
2:40:03 to what we were talking about your
2:40:04 anterior mids singular cortex. In that
2:40:06 moment, pain versus purpose, grit or
2:40:08 quit. I'm like Ross. If you quit, you
2:40:11 are going to be known as the guy who
2:40:12 soiled himself and gave up in the Yukon.
2:40:15 or do you zip it up and just and keep
2:40:17 going? So, I zipped it up. I kept going.
2:40:20 >> Oh, you're swimming in your own poop.
2:40:21 >> But it was even worse. It was a It was a
2:40:24 black wet suit as well. So, it was
2:40:25 essentially just baking, you know, like
2:40:26 a slow cooker. I know.
2:40:29 >> So, none of it got out. All of it was in
2:40:31 there.
2:40:32 >> Um, I would say 90% remained in.
2:40:34 >> 90%. Could you reach in and grab it as
2:40:36 you're swimming?
2:40:37 >> No. No. No.
2:40:38 >> Clean out the No, no, no, no. There was
2:40:40 no reaching.
2:40:41 I'm so sorry, Jamie. I'm so sorry. So
2:40:44 anyway, yeah, at the end of the swim
2:40:45 when they're taking me to hospital, I I
2:40:47 turn to everybody and I just go, you
2:40:48 know, guys, and and again, the people in
2:40:50 Canada, the team that we had are
2:40:51 amazing. They're from the Yukon, you
2:40:53 know, they kill bears, they gut wolves,
2:40:54 they've seen everything. And they were
2:40:56 like, Ross, don't you worry. And I said,
2:40:57 no, guys, I'm going to apologize now.
2:40:59 I've saw myself in my wets suit and it's
2:41:01 been baking for what has been 55 hours.
2:41:03 >> They cut me out of my wets suit. They
2:41:05 cut me out. And they go, Ross, don't
2:41:06 worry. We're here. We're a brotherhood.
2:41:08 We've been
2:41:09 >> They did. They did. They did. They went
2:41:12 We're here. Oh god.
2:41:14 >> And they bolt. So I'm left there with a
2:41:16 flannel just covering myself.
2:41:18 >> Oh, and you just baked poo all over.
2:41:20 >> Yeah. So like I said, when they said,
2:41:22 "How did you not realize you'd torn your
2:41:24 tendons in rotation?" I was like,
2:41:25 "Because I soiled myself because bears
2:41:28 and wolves were after me."
2:41:30 >> That is
2:41:31 >> very reasonable explanation for why you
2:41:32 didn't notice that you were in pain.
2:41:34 >> It doesn't staff in any way, shape, or
2:41:36 form.
2:41:37 >> 100%. All kinds of stuff. Probably
2:41:39 sepus. Sepsis. Who knows what that does
2:41:42 to you? That's got to be terrible.
2:41:44 You're scratching yourself and then
2:41:45 there's pool over your butt. Oh, the
2:41:47 inside of your legs. Oh, would you would
2:41:49 you have carried on?
2:41:50 >> Lord, I don't know. I hope so.
2:41:51 >> Good.
2:41:52 >> I hope I'd be as strong as you.
2:41:55 >> No one knows until you do it, right?
2:41:57 Well, I think that's one of the things
2:41:59 that the kind of events that you
2:42:01 participate in really genuinely does
2:42:03 like it changes people's expectations of
2:42:06 what's physically and humanly possible.
2:42:08 And they all they all have to look at
2:42:09 themselves and and say, "Okay, maybe I
2:42:12 can do more than I think I can." And I
2:42:15 think even though these are extremes and
2:42:17 I think most people are not going to
2:42:18 swim for 60 hours, what they're going to
2:42:20 get out of that is this understanding
2:42:22 that you're capable of so much more than
2:42:24 you think you are and just raising of
2:42:27 expectations or at least raising of the
2:42:30 limits of the possibil.
2:42:33 And I think that alone is like a great
2:42:35 benefit to people.
2:42:36 >> I'm so glad you said that. That's
2:42:37 exactly what I say when I say I don't
2:42:39 recommend my lifestyle to anyone. You
2:42:41 know, it's a terrible lifestyle choice.
2:42:43 >> It's terrible. It's terrible. But but I
2:42:46 say that that's not my purpose. I don't
2:42:47 think I think my purpose is people to
2:42:49 get them to shift their barometer, their
2:42:51 own personal barometer, just one degree
2:42:53 of what they think they're capable of.
2:42:54 Yes. You know, and if if if that's what
2:42:56 I managed to do, then you know, I will
2:42:57 continue to soar myself in my wet suit.
2:42:59 >> I think you have done that. I think you
2:43:01 have done that. So, congratulations and
2:43:03 continue on, sir.
2:43:04 >> Thank you very much, brother. It's very
2:43:05 good to see you. Awesome. Thank you so
2:43:07 much.
2:43:07 >> Thank you.
2:43:08 >> Always good to see you. You're a freak.
2:43:10 You were one of a kind, man. I
2:43:11 appreciate you very much.
2:43:13 >> That was awesome, by the way.
2:43:14 >> Oh, you like It was good. Well, thank
2:43:15 you, man. You brought it.
2:43:16 >> Yeah, but you crushed far more than me.
2:43:18 I was trying.
2:43:19 >> We're having fun.
2:43:21 >> Thank you. It was fun. Thanks. Very fun.
2:43:22 Bye, everybody.