My Unredacted Interview with The Leah Files

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Leah describes tracing payments through a public blockchain.

Bitcoin provides a concrete example of the trail Leah describes. Its public ledger records transfers between addresses, rather than attaching a person’s name to each payment. Anyone can inspect the balance and transaction history associated with an address. Bitcoin.org explains that publishing an address on a website or social profile can connect that history to an identity; subsequent transfers can connect other addresses to the same trail. The record remains available, so a payment that is hard to attribute today may become easier to identify later. Identifying who controls an address and following where funds move are therefore different parts of an investigation.

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>> Leah,

welcome to the show.

>> Thank you. Excited to be here. Very

excited.

>> I'm excited to have you.

So, you're uh

I heard you set the internet on fire a

couple days ago.

>> Somehow. Somehow.

I Yeah.

>> Well, you're digging into all kinds of

stuff, so I'm excited to get it going.

But, um

so, let me give you an introduction

here.

Leah Files,

you're an economist, financial analyst,

and corporate intelligence consultant

who has spent more than two decades

supporting the US intelligence and

national security community. Your career

has included work supporting the NGA,

DIA, NSA, and CIA with a focus on

financial modeling, strategic So, excuse

me, strategy and risk. Today, you run a

corporate intelligence firm that

investigates fraud, deceptive

executives, hidden financial

relationships, and risks that

traditional due diligence often misses.

Welcome to the show.

What's the name of your firm?

>> Uh Black Widow Global.

>> Black Widow Global? How long have you

been doing that?

>> Uh about a year now.

>> A year?

>> Mhm.

>> Is business good?

>> Yeah.

Very

grateful.

>> What's the uh

What's the

Well, I don't even know if you can say,

but what's the most interesting

case you've come across so far in

business?

>> It's getting more interesting, um but I

did have a guy from social media reach

out and he wanted me to investigate

someone he was going to invest in.

That's typically what I what I do. Uh

and we had a contract and then

I was looking into the guy who's here in

Tennessee, actually. Very very shady. Um

The guy other guy was in England that

I'm working for,

and he ended up dying,

um

two days, three days into my

investigation. He was healthy,

40-some-year-old guy.

He had just hosted his daughter's

sleepover and

yeah, they told me he was he died. So,

very uh

I think that was the most like jolting

one of

of it all.

I think it's something nefarious

happened to him, but

>> Wow. You see that a lot?

>> Yeah.

No, thankfully not in this year, but I

probably will.

Yeah.

>> Jeez.

What kind of I mean, what kind of

clients are reaching out to you?

>> So, typically it's private equity.

That's how I started and law firms.

Um you know, you do due diligence, but

numbers can tell any story that they

want. And if you don't trust, you know,

you want to look more into it. Look at

that CEO. I mean, look at Theranos. Look

at WeWork. So many companies that sell

themselves to investors,

but then end up breaking down because

they're just selling a story. They're

not selling what's actually behind the

curtain, and that's what I expose. Are

they lying? Are they full of it? Uh

what do their their financials actually

tell you? There's a lot of CEOs

who will take investor money and just do

wrong by it. So,

private equity and law firms. Um I do a

lot of pro bono for

women going through divorces

whose husbands are hiding assets from

them, assessing where they would be

hiding them, find them for them.

Um

so yeah, it's

so far those are my top clients.

>> Where do they hide it the most?

>> Oh, it depends on the person. So,

>> No, it it depends on the person. If you

if you look at who you're married to,

what did they start doing prior to the

divorce? Uh do they have businesses?

Because if they have if they have LLCs,

that's the most common way. Uh crypto is

becoming really big, and you can trace

crypto. So,

>> You can trace crypto?

>> Oh, yeah. Crypto is actually

almost one of the easier ones to trace

on the public blockchain.

>> Really?

>> Mhm.

>> Well, then what's all the what's the

narrative about like this is what drug

dealers use and all this other stuff?

>> Well, because if you move them between

addresses, it's when you cash them out,

that's where you get the person. So, the

the means of cashing out that that

crypto address.

But

>> So, you can you can trace

So, no matter how many transactions it's

been traced through, you can trace you

can trace it.

>> Mhm.

>> So, what do they then what do the

criminals do? Do they just buy they just

buy stuff with crypto? They find places

where they can just buy stuff with that?

>> Mhm. And then

>> and then maybe sell the commodity like

gold?

>> Like gold.

>> Yeah, that's that's a good example. They

also you have to have their crypto

address. So,

they probably have multiple, but if you

once you get one, you can trace it

through the blockchain. But you have to

get their their address.

>> Interesting.

>> Mhm.

>> Well, I got you a gift.

>> You got me a gift?

>> Same gift here.

>> [laughter]

>> There's Albanese gummy bears. Have you

heard of them?

>> I've ev- everyone was like see if you'll

get gummy bears. These are amazing.

>> Made in Michigan.

>> I'm honored. Thank you.

>> You're welcome.

>> I got you a gift.

>> I love gifts.

>> My husband picked it out. He's a big

fan.

>> Perfect.

>> Where we live here you

Uh we live next like near uh Polo. Mad

King family. Their son is um was a

Marine and

>> Do you play?

>> black. No, I could not not ride a horse.

But I go I go watch.

>> How about that? I've never been to one.

>> Oh, it's really cool. Yeah.

>> I'm thinking about getting my daughter

into

horses.

>> Oh, yeah, it's really cool.

>> So, are you into them?

>> No.

>> Do you ride?

>> I grew up on a farm and we had horses. I

don't I don't like them.

>> You don't

You don't like them.

>> like them. I go to Polo. I don't think

I've ever actually seen a Polo match. I

literally go

and

I'm there to be outside.

So.

>> Right on. Well, thank you.

>> Yeah.

>> And then one more thing and then we're

going to get into your life story.

Does that sound good?

So, I got a Patreon.

>> Yes.

>> Probably some people hanging

>> [laughter]

>> Maybe that's where they found out you

were coming on the show. But,

no Patreon, you know, when I started

this thing

I couldn't get anybody to advertise with

I had made like no money and

like I was paying to do this and we

started me and my wife started this in

the attic and Patreon

>> I love that.

>> was suggested I start a Patreon and so

we did and

it's because of them that's it's turned

into everything you see here today just

from a small room in the attic.

And so they get the opportunity to ask

every single guest a question. So, this

is from Meg.

Leah,

who are two or three individuals

deceased or alive you'd like to have

dinner and and and a discussion with?

>> Ooh, that's a good one.

Anthony Bourdain,

Charlie Kirk,

and

Tucker Carlson.

>> And Tucker Carlson?

>> Tucker Carlson. I And I think those

three together we would have a very

riveting conversation.

>> I'll bet I'll bet.

>> But, yeah. Anthony Bourdain, Charlie

Kirk, and Tucker Carlson.

>> What questions would you ask them?

>> Oof.

I think Anthony Bourdain is good for his

his ability to talk to people about

pretty much anything and

it would be fascinating. I don't know

what I'd ask them.

I don't know.

Come back We'll come back to that. Let

me think about that one.

>> Right on.

I'd go with Jesus.

>> Jesus, yeah.

>> I'd like to ask Jesus some questions.

>> Yeah.

>> But, uh all right, we'll get to your

story.

>> My story.

>> You ready?

>> Yeah, yeah.

>> I know this is heavy.

>> It's all right.

>> All right, where'd you grow up?

>> Uh Raleigh, North Carolina. Well,

outside of Raleigh, North Carolina.

Rolesville, North Carolina.

>> Rolesville, North Carolina?

>> Rolesville.

>> Small town.

>> small, one stoplight.

>> Dude, that's even smaller than where I

grew up.

>> One stoplights, 23 acres, um

next to tobacco fields.

Went to the same

school with the same people from

kindergarten to 12th grade.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah.

>> What populate What's the population

there?

>> Now, it's because it's a suburb of

Raleigh and Raleigh's blown up, it's

it's huge now. There's a bypass through

it.

Um

but back then,

oh, I don't know. It's just far It was

farmers. I can't imagine a lot. 10,000?

We didn't even have like a grocery

store.

>> That's less than 10,000.

>> Yeah.

>> My town was 6,000. We had a handful of

stuff.

>> Oh, then maybe

less I'll have to look it up.

>> But, um

so how what were you into growing up?

What did you like to do?

>> So, yeah, I don't I don't have like I

maybe have four memories, maybe a

handful of memories before I was 14.

Um

>> Before you were 14?

>> 14.

Like, I can remember more after 14.

That's why I say 14.

So, I don't have I was the oldest of

four. I have no recollection of

any of them being born or even their

them as kids.

Um

and my youngest sister is 8 years

younger than me. So, I would have been

8.

So, I don't know. I didn't I didn't get

to have fun. I had to raise them and

yeah,

I don't know

what I like doing.

>> You have no memories before 14.

>> No, like handful of fleeting ones. Um

Yeah, I know. I was it was a very

abusive

toxic household and my brain blacked it

out, I guess.

Um

I have yeah,

zero recollection of most things, so.

>> Jeez.

Do you want to go into any of that?

>> Yeah, I mean we can. I

Um we can.

>> What memories do you have?

>> Uh I remember picking up the phone when

I was young. I had to be like four or

five.

Um and calling 911. I like learned to

call 911.

My dad was incredibly abusive to my mom.

He would like beat her very badly.

And

the cops were at our house like a few

times a week and I had to call 911 to

save her. I just couldn't continue

hearing it, so.

I have a memory of my mom dropping me

off at the end of our driveway.

We had a very long driveway up to our

house when we moved into the house that

I ended up growing up in.

That was like when I was in first grade.

She dropped me off at the end of the

driveway because we got kicked out of

Chuck E. Cheese. Do you know Chuck E.

Cheese?

Uh from a birthday party cuz she was so

drunk and she drove me home.

And she dropped me off at the end of the

driveway and went to rehab for like the

third time.

And I didn't see her for like a year.

And that's really it. Um

I lived in the desert with my

grandparents. They they were gemologists

and we mined opals for a summer when I

was in like seventh grade.

I have memories of that.

And that's about it.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah.

>> I've never been anybody that doesn't

remember anything before they were 14.

>> Yeah.

I didn't know people had memories until

I talked to like normal people.

And

I was like I can't even remember my

brother and sisters being born. You

know, it kind of hits you that like

I don't I never thought about it, but I

don't ever remember it.

>> Do you talk to your brothers and

sisters?

>> Well, my sister that's 2 years younger

than me died in 2015 of a fentanyl

heroin laced

mix.

My brother and I talk, yes. And my

youngest sister, I'm like their mom. I I

raised them. I

to the best of my ability anyway. So, I

protected them and

>> How do you know you raised them if you

don't remember anything before 14?

>> Because my parents were never there.

Like I remember like I was driving them.

I was cooking dinner. They didn't have

anyone so

I was always there

caretaker. Like took care of them. Made

sure if something was wrong with my mom,

like she would be out of her mind and

try to drive somewhere with them and I'd

say no and

these are the like

a lot of my memories come from

stories they've told me

and stories my mom would tell me.

Not my own memory if that makes sense.

Like my sister remembers a lot. She

tells me what I did for her.

I would go to the school and like take

care of her if she was having a bad day,

like crying. Um

I didn't know I did that. I And I could

drive. These are all just weird things I

just don't remember so

>> So, what about after 14?

>> Yeah, I mean the reason I say 14 is

because I remember sitting

I remember sitting in my freshman

English class and I looked at the clock

and it was like 9:10 in the morning.

And I

had just a weird feeling and then I go

home that day

and my parents were normally home and

they weren't. No one was there.

And I walk into their room and there's

like a dog food all over the place and a

vacuum and I'm like, "What the hell

happened?"

And my mom ended up being in intensive

care.

My dad had beat her so badly with 20-lb

bag of dog food and a vacuum cleaner.

She ended up in the ICU unrecognizable.

And that was finally the day that she

left him

um for good.

And yeah, I couldn't recognize her. But

that distinct feeling and like it just

all

ties together as far as my first like

real

real memory.

>> Jeez.

>> Yeah.

>> All right. So,

did you

What happened when you left home?

>> Like when I left for college?

>> Yeah.

>> I didn't want I got recruited. I ran

track and field and cross country and

and I was really good and I got

recruited to go to any school in North

Carolina wanted.

But I wanted to be so far away from that

environment

that I chose to go to the University of

Tennessee, Knoxville.

Um I ended up transferring to NC State,

but

that's what I did. I

first wrote out. I mean

I ran to get out. I knew that if I

didn't

I wouldn't get out of that.

>> What was it like leaving your siblings

behind?

>> I mean, for me

I didn't I was like, I I've got to go.

Like

did I feel bad? Yes, but I also feel

like

I had done my I'd done more than enough

of what I could do.

And if I didn't take care of myself,

there was

it was never going to happen. Um

And And to be honest, my sisters at that

time, my sister two years younger than

me had already started getting into like

drugs and alcohol.

And

I just couldn't be around. I couldn't be

around it. My mental health I needed to

get out. Um

My youngest sister to this day

is very mad at me for that. I guess she

sat there and cried when I left. I

didn't know the impact I had, right?

Like I didn't I just was going through

the motions in survival mode. I was in

survival mode.

And

yeah, she's like, "You left me." And

it's it's tough to think about, but

I

I had to. So.

>> But you've forgiven your parents.

>> Yeah, I mean, my parents were they had

me when they were 22. My mom actually

was in labor with me on her 23rd

birthday. So, I guess she was 23.

They're young. They're stupid. They

should have never been together. And my

dad grew up in a very toxic household

with His dad was an alcoholic and would

threaten to kill himself. And

from the time my dad was a little, and

he was the only child. And

whenever my mom would get drunk, cuz she

was an alcoholic, that's when they're

they would just They were like oil and

water.

And

he never beat us, but the emotional

abuse that I endured for always taking

up for her, I was her protector,

was a lot. It mentally was

a lot. Um

And then when she would get drunk, she

would just like be horrible to me. I was

I was their punching bag

um

emotionally.

I would dump her wine, fill it with

water. I would dump her pills, and I

would just take it.

She was abusive at times, but

she was hurting. I

I don't know. To me, I just I look at

people

and they're hurting, and why am I going

to hurt you more?

Um

I felt really bad for them.

I felt

when you see someone in so much pain,

it's just

it's not them, so.

>> How long did it take you to forgive

them?

>> I I always I I forgive

unfortunately very easily. Um I don't

forget,

but I forgive. I never

didn't forgive them.

Um

they would do it,

and I would just be there

again.

I don't know why. Um

But yeah.

I never

held anything against them. I was never

angry at them.

It's funny cuz I ran track and field,

and

my dad would roll up the windows in the

car and smoke just to punish me.

And like

yeah, looking back it's like I'm way I'm

way too nice, but

yeah, I was never mean to my parents,

and they're both dead now. They died

very young.

Um

>> [clears throat]

>> and so I don't have any regrets. I just

Yeah.

>> What got you through that?

>> Um I think I have weird levels of

serotonin in my brain.

I never got depressed. I never I never

absorbed it. I think that's really

important. I

I took it, but I didn't absorb it. I

knew that wasn't me, and then I knew

that wasn't them

telling me these things, right? Like

I just don't absorb

the insults

because I knew they were coming from a

bad place.

And I I think that's

how I got through it. I don't know. I

have this conversation with my husband

all the time. He's like, "How are you

not just like depressed all the time?"

Um

And I think that it's that. It's a

mindset. It's like I focus on what I'm

grateful for now.

I focus on what I have. I focus on what

I can do and what I can control.

And it really helps

those those moments of it's not me. It's

not personal. This is you.

>> All right, let's move on to some other

stuff.

>> Okay.

>> So, you went to school

>> Mhm.

>> and then you apparently got a job with

Northrop Grumman.

>> Yep.

>> Major defense contractor.

>> Yeah.

>> What were you doing for Northrop

Grumman?

>> Uh at first, there was a a small team of

us that built these cost models for

satellites in the sky.

Um like software, and we were in these

dark rooms building models. Uh

It's great experience, but definitely

not me.

>> How'd you get recruited into that? How'd

you find that job? It's pretty

high-level, it seems like, for somebody

right out of school.

>> Yeah, I worked at the Cheesecake Factory

uh

towards the end of my college career to

pay for my school.

Um

and I met a girl

who was going to work there, and she was

a year ahead of me. And I was like,

"That's cool. I didn't even know that

stuff existed in DC." Like I was so

small town.

And she was like, "I'll call you when

next year. Just let me know."

So, I was like, "Hey, I'm applying." I

applied like the FBI. I applied America

I I anywhere. Uh American Airlines.

Uh

And she was like, yeah, come for an

interview.

And I got the job.

Which was crazy for me because they

hired people from like MIT and Columbia.

They hired economists and and engineers

and I just never

This was something I had to get over. I

never thought I was good enough. Like I

just was like, I'm

I went to NC State. Like it's a great

school, but it's not, you know,

MIT.

Yeah. But got it and

got a TS right right then and there.

And that was my first entrance into this

world of

But the TS was easy for me. I had never

been anywhere. I never traveled

anywhere.

I never done drugs. And

it was easy. So,

just got into the world that way and

then

moved throughout it.

>> What else? What else did you do?

>> So,

after the cost models, I was

They were like, do you want to join the

special access program?

Um and that was my first experience of

like we worked in a vault and there were

like 10 of us.

And

I was like, this is so cool. Like

there's levels above TS. And

uh the program that we did, it was my

first introduction to

wow, government government lies to

people.

Government lies to people um to protect

them, right? Like

I think you know, if if everyone knew

what what the government does to keep

our country running, that it's not you

can't handle it. Like it's

So, that was my first, wow, this can be

really cool.

Um

and then I went to Booz Allen

Hamilton.

And I was at NRO, which

was that agency that nobody talked

about, nobody knew existed for a very

long time.

Um

>> As a contractor?

>> Mhm, as a contractor.

I I really liked I've had some clients

offer me jobs and I only took one and

we'll get to it, but I liked doing

something different all the time. I

don't like doing the same thing day in

and day out. Um

I think it's part of the trauma

probably, but I just can't sit still.

So, I really liked hopping around and

going to all these different agencies

and and as you kind of move up

career-wise in the consulting world, you

get access to some of these other

projects

and you see how it all works and I got

to see it from NGA, which is your geo,

you know, your your satellites and your

NROs to your humans to your, you know,

how it all kind of comes together to

your SIGINT. It's very fascinating.

Um

so, very grateful that I

got to hop around.

>> Could you get into a little more detail

on the kind of stuff you were doing or

is it all

>> Yeah, we can get into detail for like

uh

maybe like at the agency, like CIA?

Um

DIA, maybe?

>> What were you doing at CIA?

>> Uh so, CIA, you worked for their CFO and

comptroller.

Um

and we built

you know, to justify to Congress

they were like, "Hey,

we're going to cut a fifth of your

budget. We're taking away a base in

Afghanistan. We're closing them down, so

we can take 20%

of your budget and they were having to

make all of these decisions

and not get their money taken away. Uh

and so, that kind of transpired into

helping them figure out what what can we

do? How How we build? We need to know

what you're spending your money on so

that you can then justify it to them why

you need to keep it and

you really start to learn that our

government

doesn't our tax dollars don't align to

the mission that they're actually doing.

Like I think that's the thing that you

realize. There's There's so much fluff

um in these contracts that

they do work that doesn't actually

do anything that the I wants them to do,

for instance.

So

we had to uncover everything they were

spending their money on.

Um which was a lot and then kind of

piece it back together for them to tell

the story of

how can we get Congress to give us our

money?

So we did build the gold standard for

how they did that. OD and I adopted it.

Um it was very cool.

It was very cool because we got to get

into like

director of operations and DS and

how they move and what where their money

goes because where their money goes

is where their priorities go and that

started me on the the follow the money

kind of journey.

Um

I think the money tells a better picture

than what the story is that you tell

people.

Because the CIA goes and tells Senate

they're doing XYZ, but their money tells

a different story. So you start to see

that that gap.

>> I mean that sounds like there's a lot of

controversy on your time within the

intelligence

>> There is.

>> agencies. So

which I'm not really familiar with cuz

I'm not on social anymore. So I don't I

don't really pay attention to any of

>> Good for you.

>> [ __ ] But um so I mean do you want to

address that at all or

>> Yeah, I mean

I think

>> cuz there's not really any way to verify

it, especially as a contractor.

>> I mean I was a blue badger for the DIA

uh for a good 10 months before I was

like no. Um I went through that process

of the

testing and the psychiatrist and all

that when I joined DIA.

Uh

I mean there are ways

to verify it. Um

but I to me I don't owe them my I don't

owe that to some random person on the

internet. Uh

My stuff that I talk about

people have a very hard time

when someone comes out

and

and blows up quick, which is what

happened to me. Never in a million years

thought it. Like I didn't have social

media prior.

I'm not a very I'm a very introverted

person.

Um

but I started talking about Epstein and

the government shutdown and just yelling

about that and then

finding all this other stuff and

researching it. It was so fascinating to

me.

And people have such a problem with that

and they just start to discredit you.

And at first it was really hard for me

because I'm like that's not you're lying

about me. Why would you lie?

Why would I get on the internet and say

I worked in the intel community

and when I didn't I

Apparently people do that.

>> Lots of people do.

>> I didn't I didn't know that. Because to

me you can ask

certain questions. Ask about a poly. Ask

about what even a test you went through

or or what the buildings are. There's so

many ways

to validate that.

Lying about it seems dumb, but

I learned that it's an attempt to

discredit me and that's okay.

I mean I have people in the intel

community who would come out but I

wasn't using my real name. So

people got mad about that. Um I can't

find you anywhere. Well, no sh- and look

what happens when you do. Like

I knew how evil people could be, which

is why I stayed off social media for so

long.

I get on and within

six six months being on social media,

I'm already you're posting pictures of

my kids.

Like

>> Yeah.

>> I don't I don't like that. Um

so I did try to keep my privacy.

And I know who I am and I didn't feel

like I needed to validate it. And the

people who follow me and look at my

stuff, it's all verifiable. I I follow

the money. You can

That's the great thing about it. You can

look at proof.

So, if you don't believe me, that's

fine. But

the discredit the attempt to discredit

people

I've seen

is crazy right now on social media. So,

I don't have much to say to them.

Um

Think what you want.

>> Yeah.

Well,

I know some of them and uh

some of them have been after me for a

long time, too.

Apparently.

But uh you know, I always think it's

just best not to give them the time of

day.

>> Yeah, they don't deserve it. I

It sometimes it takes takes me a minute.

But they're they're also coordinated

attacks. You can tell

You can tell they're all doing it at the

same time. They're reposting messages

um at the same time. They're using the

same narrative. It's happening across

multiple different groups of people.

And so, it's it's an obvious

>> I mean, I think the Green Beret guy

might have some mental issues.

>> I I definitely

>> He sent me

He was blasting me about something and

then he like sent me this long apology

letter.

Which I don't I don't care.

And uh

Like I said, dude, I don't I don't think

about you.

>> I know.

>> And then

and then um I don't know, maybe a month,

maybe less than a month, maybe a little

more than a month. Not long after he

sent the big long apology letter, he

started blasting me again and he's just

been blasting me ever since. I mean, I

don't really pay any attention. It's

interesting to know how much real estate

I own in that man's head.

>> I

>> kind of cool. It's like, wow.

>> You

>> I'm actually controlling your life.

>> Yes, you do.

>> And I don't even [ __ ] pay attention

to you. It's that pathetic.

But

>> I know.

>> I hope that guy gets some help sometime

soon.

>> I know. And it seems to be these ex-mil

like if these ex-special forces

uh guys coming after me and it was when

I had like I had their first attack on

me was a

a financial piece I had done on Corey

Mills.

>> Yeah, one of the other guys, he

completely These people are I think this

whole group is a little mentally

unstable cuz I remember the other

There's another one that was on that

pack and he got [snorts] into it with

his wife or something and then he

started He started like posting all this

[ __ ] and then he was like

>> [laughter]

>> He was like emotional and like talking

about this stuff going on with his wife.

I can't remember what was I can't

remember what it is, but I was I was

just like

"Wow, dude, you're pathetic and you are

way too addicted to the internet right

now. You keep that [ __ ] private. You

know, go to a find a therapist or

something.

Don't post that [ __ ] on X."

>> I think they take it out on people, too.

Like

What are your credentials? Why why are

you questioning mine? I can prove my

What are you What are yours? Like what?

They don't They don't have them. So

it's like

you This is your life now. Social media

is your life. I don't ever want it to be

mine. Like I don't want social media to

be the only thing I do. It's just not

who I am naturally, but it is yours and

you're going to come for people for

that. Um

>> Yeah.

>> You'll be exposed.

>> Well, let's get away from this [ __ ]

internet drama. So, what's some of the

stuff that you're uncovering?

What's what's what's you know, let's

start with

What do we got?

Well, actually, let's go into the

corporate intelligence stuff. So, I want

to talk more about what you're doing

today.

>> Yeah.

Okay.

Uh so, yeah, Black Widow Global um

my LLC that I've I've tried to keep

private, and tried to keep them very

separate. My clients are very private.

But, yeah, I support private equity,

uh mergers and acquisitions. Those were

my first clients. Those are the ones I

really like doing.

Um you know, you get your due diligence

and

sometimes if they have a question, maybe

they think fraud is going on, a board

for instance, uh is fraud going on in

this company in leadership? Can you Can

you look into it? And you start by

looking at the people. Uh Are they even

capable of it? Some people just aren't

capable of committing fraud.

Uh so, that's what I do and

I've uncovered a lot.

Uh I mean, CEOs who have bought private

jets and not told like hid hidden them

in vendor vendor payments and

you know, fraud that's happened across

across leadership teams. Um

Yeah, it's it's crazy. It's a crazy

world that's

>> clients?

>> I've started to get political clients uh

because of social media.

Um I will help look into their their

opponents and

help them with messaging certain certain

things about them. I don't I don't do

personal attacks. That's not what I find

about people either.

Um

>> [clears throat]

>> I'll do where are they invested? Do they

Have they had Have they committed fraud?

Does it look like they've committed

fraud? Um Are they involved with another

country? Are they invested in another

country?

Uh we have so many of our politicians

that are

so many of our politicians that have

allegedly committed looks like they're

they're just openly committing

committing fraud. And if you're going to

do it with your personal life, you're

going to do it in politics. You're going

to do it with my tax dollars.

>> Mhm.

>> So, how can we pull that out and and

tell people?

>> Mhm.

>> So, I'm I'm really liking that that

role. And a lot of people on social

media have asked me with midterms coming

up, can you compare opponents for us?

Can you

because I mean, I'm of the mindset left

versus right is not there anymore. It's

not Democrat and Republican anymore.

It's

it's America first and not. So, who of

the opponents is is less shady? That's

where we're at as a as a country.

Which of our opponents is less shady?

>> Well, speaking of that, PredictIt has

the Democrats sitting at a 44%

chance of a midterm sweep.

With your work inside the political

operative space, what do you think about

that?

>> Yeah. I think it could be higher. I

think the Democrats are going to sweep.

And I'm not I'm not a Democrat either,

so.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

>> Why do you think that?

>> Because I and this is just to off off

social media and messaging, but because

the right has divided itself so much, it

seems um and they did it during the

primaries, fighting so hard against like

Thomas Massie. You've divided the party

and those people aren't going to go to

the polls. In the primaries, that was

great for you, right? Your opponent won.

Uh

but it's Republican and Republican. When

you go Republican and Democrat, when

you've got half the party that's like,

I'm not going to go vote because the

person you put in isn't who I want in,

I'm not going to vote Democrat, so I'm

just not voting. Well, you've just

limited and I think the Democrats are

going to go out in full force. They're

going to vote. Um

so I do think that the division of the

right is going to cause the Democrats to

win.

>> What what do you think caused the

division of the right?

>> Um

>> Like with Massie, did you look into

that?

>> Oh, yeah, I looked.

>> look into that?

>> I looked into it.

>> Election, I mean, that was the biggest

what the most expensive election or what

what what what do they say?

>> Yeah, the most paid for. I think they

dumped

30 I'm I'm going to go with like 40 45

if you were to look at it all said and

done million and two

having Massie lose. Um

I looked into the woman that they had

that was accusing him. She was

getting money for her school board all

of a sudden.

I looked into Ed Gallery and and where

his funds were coming from and it was

obviously a paid for election and

yeah, they won. So

that right there, that when Massie lost,

I think

that's what divided that was like the

the straw that broke the camel's back.

Uh you have like the people who are

screaming and saying

uh maga maga maga Trump everything

Trump's doing is right and and people

can see like no, he he came in lied

people are mad about it. Are we going to

have self-awareness and address that or

we are we not and they're not and that's

where the party's dividing. So I think

it kind of all happened

and I and I think Charlie Kirk's

assassination

almost was like the catalyst to it all

if you look back.

That's what it looks like.

What do you think?

>> What do I think why it's divided?

>> Yeah, what do you think why it's

divided?

>> I think it's divided for a whole

multitude of reasons. I think it's

I mean but

>> [clears throat]

>> I mean we can get into all of it but I

think it's divided because

um

the lies have been so blatant.

>> Yeah.

>> From the original campaign.

That's why I think.

I think that Joe Kent's resignation was

maybe a big maybe the first catalyst.

Not the first catalyst, but the first

big

Oh, [ __ ] you know.

>> And how they treated him after that.

>> Yeah, and his deceased wife.

>> Yeah.

>> As well.

Um

But I I think it I think it was I mean

everything's pretty much broken down,

you know? No new wars.

We're in a big war.

Um

No new, you know, the Maha movement.

We're going to We're going to save the

food. Then we give, you know, the

glyphosate company immunity.

Um you know,

We're going to hold all these social

media guys accountable for the

censorship.

We're sitting behind everybody at

inauguration.

We're going to like it it We're going to

end the Ukraine war before I even get

into office.

Still going strong.

>> [sighs]

>> We're going

>> [laughter]

>> Let's just say

>> No, you're I mean you're you're you're

exactly right. You're exactly right.

>> Um

What are some more?

>> The Epstein files.

>> Yeah, the Epstein files, you know, we're

going to we're going to

We're going to hold people accountable

for the Epstein files.

>> Yep.

>> The only names have been released are

the victims.

Um

Yeah.

All that stuff.

>> Yep. No, I agree.

It's

It's It's a wild time right now in

politics and I couldn't have an opinion

for so many years cuz when you're in

that space, you're not allowed to have a

an opinion on politics. You have to keep

quiet.

>> Mhm.

>> Coming out of it and learning

it all and looking back at the playbooks

because that's that's what you learn

like at the at the CIA, I was read into

all of our programs that don't don't

ever become unclassified.

Um kind of the beauty of being that

money person and you look at our

playbook and how we do it against other

countries.

And it's real hard for me as someone

with no memories, it's almost like

pattern recognition is the only thing I

can rely on.

And you see it being deployed on on

Americans now and I think that is what

is so scary to me

and why I even started on social media

to yell about it because

it's it's happening like we're doing it

and we're not even good at it. Like we

failed multiple times. I don't know

anytime we've really been successful and

now we're doing it

to our own people. Like

I don't know. I

I want to I want to I want my daughters

to be in a country where that was like

it was 10 20 years ago at least.

Dark but not

whatever we are now.

And I don't necessarily think it's just

social media or access to information

that's causing all of this. I think it's

a

behavior of people.

The fact that so many people get away

with buying influencers and they don't

have to say who they are but you're

pushing a political agenda to do so.

>> Well, did you see that big time article

that just came out about the big the big

influencer campaign?

>> The bread the

uh

the 7K a a person like

>> no, it was after that. I'll pull it up

after this and and re-review it and

bring it to you but

actually maybe we should do that right

now but but actually first. So are you

you're

are you an economist?

>> Yeah, I mean

>> So I want to talk to you about the

petrodollar cuz that scares the [ __ ] out

of me.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, with with the with with

I mean

you know about BRICS I'm sure. You know,

and

what is it? UAE already said when they

run out of dollars they're going to

trade in the

Chinese Yuan.

The Strait of Hormuz now, I mean,

will never be the same again because

what this war did is, I mean,

now Iran knows they can control it.

And so, I'm sure there'll be all kinds

of taxes and

that kind of stuff going through the

straits. And you know, and

they've

it's it's

Anyways, so it's not looking good for

the petrodollar. Can you go into that at

all? Do you Do you Have you looked into

that?

>> I haven't looked into it as far as like

what's happening now, and I and I

should. Um I need to. It's been on my

list. I

I do have so many people who have talked

about how it's

it's basically going to be the thing

that takes over. Um

>> What's going to be the thing?

>> How So, I have a lot of people on social

media talking about we go after

countries

and they're tied to this that it's all

about the petrodollar. And

I haven't looked into it yet, but

so many people are concerned about it.

I just

haven't.

>> Okay.

>> So,

sorry.

>> All good.

>> I can get I can get info on it and but

>> Well, okay. So, where do we move from

here?

>> Um

What do you mean like

our conversation?

>> Yeah. Let's talk about the

>> TPUSA or or David Roche the AI guy or

Where do you want to go?

>> Let's go TPUSA.

>> My favorite topic.

Just in general?

>> Yeah.

>> Uh so,

it's interesting cuz Charlie Kirk, my

kids had come home the day before.

Their school has one of the largest

TPUSA

uh, chapters in the nation. And they

came home and they were like, "Everyone

is hating on it. There are protests

outside."

And I'm like, they're like, "Everyone

hates Charlie Kirk. He's so bad. He

thinks this and this and this." And I

was like, "He That's not what he thinks.

He He gets people to talk. That's what I

appreciated about him."

I didn't agree with everything he said,

but I appreciated how he got people to

talk about politics. I feel like we've

lost that art and it's kind of separated

and divided people.

And then the next day, you see that he

is

he is assassinated and

immediately it was

like, "What? What do you mean someone

shot him?" It was crazy.

But then I learn a few days later, maybe

a week later, that he had asked for this

due diligence assessment 8 days before

he was killed.

Uh, he wanted

financials and operations to be looked

at. And as somebody who works with CEOs,

when they say that, they they they think

something's up. They think maybe one of

their executives is is doing something.

They think something's wrong with their

company. It's not adding up cuz you

don't ask for something like that

if if everything's good.

And so I was like, "Well, I wonder what

they would have found." Let me just

start digging into what would they have

found if they looked into the financials

and they looked into the operations.

Was there anything?

And that is just what started to uncover

everything and

assassination aside, cuz this is this is

I don't don't like linking anything.

It's not linked to his his death at all.

Um, the financials of this nonprofit,

specifically, it's a very well-funded.

It has grown

I think like 300 and something percent

from the time it it started.

Just 2024 to 2025 alone, it went from 85

million to 115 million dollars. That's

huge.

>> Wow.

>> And five donors give 80 some percent of

their money.

>> Who are the donors?

>> So,

the

the

Wilks brothers,

I think like the Bradley Fund, um

Robert Shillman

gives it through this charity so that

his name wasn't attached, but it came

out that he pulled it $2 million two

days before Charlie Kirk was

assassinated.

He's one. Um

I'm sh-

I would think Miriam Adelson. They're

They keep them secret. They're It's dark

It's dark It's dark money.

It's very hard to figure out who the

donors are unless you go and look at

their

filings, which is what I I did, but I

only found three of them.

But, you can see that there's five

donors, so

that was interesting. And then when you

start to look at the vendors, that's

where I go to first. If you're going to

look at a financial form and you're

assessing an organization, you go to the

vendors first cuz that's the easiest way

to hide money. Hey, I'm going to hire

you, friend.

I'm going to give you 300 grand to do

marketing for me.

Done. Now my friend gets 300 grand and I

siphon it back to me. That's how a lot

of people do it. So, you look at their

vendors. And when I started to look at

their vendors,

all of the LLCs

were tracing back to friends or people

inside of the organization.

And I was like, well, that's strange.

Over 20 million dollars.

And so I'm like, well, this would have

alerted me if I was CEO.

Where's my money going? In 2023, they

had

they spent more than they took in, which

was crazy cuz I think it was like 70

million dollars.

And I think that around then

>> What did they spend it on?

>> They spent it on these vendors that are

marketing. They they put out

papers. They put out

the things asking you to donate, the the

campaigns. Um

It's literally printed material.

Tens of millions of dollars.

And the thing is on the form, you only

have to list your top five vendors.

Then you have to tell them how many make

over 100k.

And on their 2024 form, I think they had

five vendors that

were getting paid $7 million.

Then the vendors that made over 100k,

62 or 64. So you have 64 other random

vendors getting paid over $100,000.

That's

that's a lot. And you don't have to

report them on that form.

>> Mhm.

>> And I think that's where some of the

LLCs live.

That I have found.

So,

there's

there's

financial irregularities.

Um cuz I I have a fraud examiner

license. It's a fraud person.

And

>> So you're saying that these

donors would would funnel the money in

and then it would come right back out to

the vendors. Is that what you're saying?

>> So the donors give the money.

>> 60 something

vendors are getting paid over $100,000.

That's

what, 6 million?

>> At least.

At least

>> a $115 million uh

nonprofit.

>> Mhm.

>> That's what they're making a year.

>> Yeah, that's what they're bringing in.

And

and if you look at it, like I did a

breakdown of if you I think even

>> Roughly 85 So roughly 85 million is kind

of what you're saying is from

a small group of three to five people.

>> Yeah, I'd say like 70 to 85 million.

They get not a ton from people. But most

of their budget, if you look at it, most

of their

goes to these conferences and events

that you have to pay to go to.

>> Mhm.

>> How's that a nonprofit?

>> Oh, did you I don't know. Did you You

had to pay to go to those?

>> I I've never been, but you do have to

pay. 350 for an adult and like 75 for a

student or something. So, you're

spending tens of millions of dollars on

these events that are your number one

cost.

And people have to pay to go to them.

Isn't that It's actually like not a

nonprofit, right?

>> Yeah, I would think.

>> See, I thought he was doing all this

stuff for free at college campuses.

>> Oh, the college campus thing is for

free, but they're like Amfest and all

these big events that they have

>> Oh.

>> where most of their money goes, you have

to pay to go to them.

>> stuff.

>> Yeah.

So, if you're a nonprofit, I'm just it

It's very interesting to me that

And they have I mean, if you look, they

have four entities. It's not just TPUSA.

They have an endowment. They have their

their TPUSA Action, which is their

political arm. And then they have the

America's and they just funnel money to

them all.

And then it goes out the door. So, if

you look at their behavior, it just

starts to muddy the money. That's all it

does. And you're like, why are you doing

that?

They have reported wages

three three and a half million dollars

and they reported zero employees

on one of their things. Just like

>> [gasps]

>> I don't know how you're getting away

with this, to be honest. And so, all of

that just led me down the path of

who who could be involved in in this

financial stuff, like who the LLCs trace

back to. And it's all their executive

leadership.

And it's crazy.

>> It's interesting.

>> it's like, why did he ask? that's why.

>> So, are you saying that's why you think

he was killed if he put in an inquiry to

basically put in an audit?

>> I don't think that's why he was killed.

>> [clears throat]

>> I don't think that's why he was killed

at all.

I think that

the people who had motivations

If you were one Okay, we'll say

allegedly. If you were one of the theory

that Charlie Robinson didn't do it. If

you were to look at other people

and if you look at their motivations of

what would they have covered up and why?

Like why would they be in on this?

You look at their financial motivations

and you look at who had the most to

gain. Like who's gained the most since

his death financially?

Rob McCoy

the pastor who was part of TPUSA Faith,

Mikey McCoy's dad.

He's gotten a lot of notoriety. Tyler

Boyer, Andrew Kolvet, all all of them.

They've gained financially. Not saying

they had anything to do with it but it

it's something that like

you should look at.

This is probably going to get me a lot

of trouble but

>> How they How I mean what What have they

gained financially?

What are they just sucking money out of

the nonprofit now? Is it

or they did they increase their salary?

How are they gaining financially?

>> Uh different people different ways. So,

Resolute Media, you know where they run

this show out of that they call still

call the Charlie Kirk show.

And they That's a for-profit

>> Mhm.

>> [clears throat]

>> entity. And they're using the name and

likeness of a nonprofit

>> Mhm.

>> for the for-profit and you have to pay

royalty fees to do that.

And they're not anywhere. They're

There's no royalty fees being paid. And

when you have Salem Media hooked up to

that that does the ads and stuff

>> I mean, I don't think anybody even

watches that anymore.

>> They don't.

>> So, that wouldn't be a big financial

gain.

>> But it is if their advertisers are

paying them to [clears throat] push

whatever messages, just like advertising

does, push whatever messages and all of

a sudden the Charlie Kirk show started

coming out against

against Israel.

And they're pouring all this money into

influencers.

That's going to not look good. And then

the donors start pulling out.

And now they don't they are 100% on a

different page than Charlie Kirk was

when he was assassinated. Just looking

at it from that perspective, it's

that's how they'd make their money,

advertisers.

>> Yeah, but they'd still have to

I'm just challenging you here.

>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> But um I mean they would still have to

if there's nobody watching

advertisers aren't going to pay anything

because

nobody's watching.

And I mean I don't I don't watch it, you

know what I mean? So I don't I don't

know, but I don't I don't know any I

don't I knew a lot of people that wanted

to watch Charlie Kirk.

>> Yeah.

>> I don't know anybody that wants to watch

um

the new folks.

>> Yeah. No, I mean that's that's a great

point. And that's why I think

>> And so it actually I would think that

they would probably be losing money.

A lot of money.

>> Yeah, I just

And she might be right.

But the way that they operate on social

media, it's it's not So it's not just

their show, it's they're they're pushing

out messages on social media helping

politicians

>> So you think that maybe they're making

the money for pushing narratives, not

from advertisers.

>> Well, yeah, but I I think that their

advertisers, you know, Salem Media was

their host and

Brad Parscale's the one that gets

>> Who are Who are their advertisers?

>> That's a great question. I don't watch

their show.

>> Okay.

>> But, Brad Parscale, who owns Salem

Media, was the one that gets I think now

he's up to $60 million

from from Israel. He's in FARA. They pay

him to push out this stuff.

He's and he's registered in FARA.

They were

distributing the Charlie Kirk show. So,

pushing out that

narrative, not necessarily advertisers.

It could be

that money, which is money to push

political narratives.

>> Do you know what narratives they're

pushing?

>> I mean, they are They

>> a genuine I don't watch it. I don't

>> Oh, I haven't I don't watch them. I

don't watch the show.

>> [clears throat]

>> No, but

on social media

they push out like the anti-fraud

government JD Vance, that whole task

force, they push that out really hard.

They pushed out the Iran war, they're

for it.

Um

Anything that Trump says, they they push

out.

So,

definitely

pro-Israel

um

merging of the military is a good thing.

Things like that. It's

>> Oh boy.

>> AI data centers aren't bad.

Things like that that you're just like,

"Huh?"

>> Interesting.

>> I think there's big money to be made in

that.

If if I was willing to sell my soul.

>> Well, yeah. I mean, with the what they

already caught them what pen?

I mean, I don't know who, but

people they're paying people what $7,000

for a post.

>> 20 to 30 posts a month, that's that's a

lot of money.

That's a lot of money.

Uh

And they're ramping up the budget.

>> a post or was it a month or was it a

week?

>> It's a post.

>> It was $7,000 per post.

Do you have a list of who was taking

that money budget?

>> We're

>> People are trying to work on getting it.

Um

I mean

You can tell I mean

The far-right influencers who have

become so big and

they went to the Tommy Robinson trial

and

came out and said

we saw the shot. We saw the shot.

>> Mhm.

>> And then they had to back They didn't.

So, like anyone who said that and came

out so it No.

>> I mean so some of it

you know, like I think it kind of

started

with the

Remember when all the influencers went

to the White House and held up the

Epstein files and then it turned out

that all that [ __ ] had already been

released anyways and it was a big

nothing burger.

I mean I think that I don't think it's

always money, you know, I think that

it's it I think a lot of people

they get

they think they're somebody now because

they've been to the White House or

they're around the president or the vice

president or the administration and and

they they feel like they're part of

something and then they start feeling

powerful and

I mean all this kind of stuff and and I

think that the you know, I think that

the administration can take advantage of

that. Not just this administration, all

the administrations, you know, and you

bring them in, you have dinner with them

and

you know what I mean? And so it's it's

like a capture. It's a capture cuz we

got invited to a bunch of this [ __ ]

And I was like, "No, we don't [ __ ] do

that. We don't need I don't need to be

in photos with them holding up binders."

Yeah.

>> That's all I keep hearing today.

>> even think I don't think all these

people are feds.

I don't think they understand what's

happening to them. I think they're

overwhelmed with the sense of of They

feel like they've accomplished

something. They feel like they're a big

they're a part of something. They feel

powerful. You know, and they're

overwhelmed with these feelings

and

and and their ego gets, you know,

involved, extremely inflated.

And and and they can't see past it. You

know what I mean? They can't see past

you're being used.

>> Yeah.

>> Like once you're in that, you can't

[ __ ] get out.

>> Yeah.

>> Like once you have been there and you

held the binder up, you're done.

>> Yeah.

>> Like you're on that team. That is it.

That's it.

>> Yeah.

>> and and I don't think that's a payment.

I mean,

you could give a lot of people in a

a White House invite and they'll be

like, "Fuck yeah, let's go. It's the

White House." You know, and and

and it's it's it's, you know, it's a

feeling of being

uh

entering a new a a

a what? How do I say? Like a a new

social level.

>> Mhm.

Yeah, it's kind of it's like influencer

>> tier. I've advanced to the top tier.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, and and

>> Mhm.

>> I don't think that costs a lot of money.

Maybe it does. I mean,

but

I think a lot of them are

um unfortunately very foolish and just

got roped into something, you know, not

even [ __ ] realizing it.

Do you think that's a possibility?

>> I think that

Yeah, I mean, your your guess is as good

as mine, but I do think that the White

House is almost like um

like an influencer event. If you're

beauty influencer and you get invited by

a beauty product to go somewhere, and

they they treat you well, and you go,

and then you go back,

you're still paid to push that product.

So, going to the White House is almost

just like a getting everyone together on

board, same page, but then you go back

and you're paid to push it.

I don't think they would do it for free.

>> Mhm.

>> I don't think they believe

I don't think they believe it enough. I

don't think they believe actually. I

think they maybe talked themselves into

it perhaps. I don't think they actually

believe the narratives they're pushing.

You can't pause

>> might not now.

>> Yeah.

>> But they're also like I had mentioned

they're captured, they're trapped.

>> Yep. No, I think you're right. It could

have easily started as something that

was

innocent. I want to support the

government. Government wouldn't lie to

me.

>> You can see a couple of them that have

kind of backed off, you know.

They haven't really changed the

narrative or what or or their direction,

but they've

the some of them are not near as loud as

they used to be.

>> Do you have names? I do.

>> Uh I don't like mentioning names, but

we'll bleep it. DC Draino.

>> Um

>> You know, and I like I said, I haven't

been on in over a month on any of this

[ __ ]

But uh cuz I think it's pretty worthless

at this point, but um

but like I've noticed that dude has kind

of like toned it down a little bit.

>> Mhm.

>> And he was one of them out there.

You know.

>> He He was one holding the binder. I

don't see his stuff pop up, so maybe

he was very right though, right? Like he

was very like

>> But on the flip side that that Time

article that I just was talking about, I

mean, it

and and I

I need to read it. Actually, let's let's

take a break. I'm going to go pull it

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article real quick.

Time reports that Brad Parscale, Trump's

2020 campaign manager and digital

strategist, has been running a paid FARA

registered influence campaign inside the

United States on behalf of the Israeli

government aimed squarely at young

conservatives in the MAGA base.

US officials separately suspect the same

network amplified criticism of Trump's

Iran ceasefire.

Parscale denies

that second claim outright.

A US intelligence official told Time the

unusual part is not that a foreign

government ran an influence operation.

Russia, Iran, and China all do. But the

target, not swing voters, not the

general public, but the sitting

president's own political base. The same

official noted that if there is one

Parscale, there are likely others. Have

you heard about this?

>> Yeah, I've I've gone deep into Brad

Parscale's operation, too.

Um

he has multiple LLCs that do different

things. Like Nucleus sends out these

texts. I have some. I did a whole

conversation with their bot the other

day asking me about my

my views on Israel and the US strategic

relationship. And they're trying to

convince people that

Israel's protecting itself.

And the the bot even was just like

then they'd also do the paid

influencers.

Um

And that's why that's one of the

operations that I think that

that the Charlie Kirk Show is is

operating under like we were talking

about earlier.

>> Do you think they're doing that?

>> I do.

>> Do you have any proof of that?

>> Well, we have pulled up like the

coordinated messaging. So,

um for instance, the ceasefire, the

minute it happened, they all had the

same sort of messaging and you can get

it from the Andrew Colvettes and the

Benny Johnsons and and all of the people

who are pushing these narratives, they

have the same

timing and the same words. And if you

look for it,

it's really easy to see that they're all

doing it together. So, I don't think

they're doing it for free.

And Brad Pascale's operation is the the

biggest one.

>> I think so.

>> And then the he has to report in FARA.

And you can go in there, and I have just

recently,

he's gotten more money and you can see

every transaction

that that they pay him a month. It's

gone from like 3 million to like 15

million a month.

Um

it's a well-oiled machine

that that they push out these

narratives, but

>> It's gone from 3 million to Felix gone

from 3 million

>> Like it's like 12 million a month now,

15 million a month, something like that.

>> What is?

>> How much his companies get

from this German advertising company.

That's how they do it. Israel pays this

German I think it's called Hav, it

begins with an H. Uh Israel pays this

German

advertising company who then pays the

US, so that technically you can say

you're not getting paid by Israel, but

you're registered in FARA under Israel.

And that's that's how they're doing it.

And

so he gives the money to these

influencers and they can say, "I'm not

doing this for Israel because

technically they're not."

Um

But yeah, he has to report all of that.

And the money has just grown. He

registered in FARA just within a week of

Charlie Kirk's assassination.

Um

and then the money has just

substantially increased since.

>> Jeez.

>> It's crazy.

>> You got anybody else doing this or

>> Just me.

You mean researching all this? stuff?

>> I mean, who else is taking money like

that?

>> Um so, Salem Media, there there's

another I I don't remember her position,

COO,

something like that. She's registered in

FARA as well. Um their operation

No one else do I think they should that

certain people should be? Absolutely. I

think that

there are a few that should be

registered in FARA. Um but Pam Bondi

back in 2025

one of the first things she did when she

got in was

you don't have to register in FARA

unless you're literally an agent

for that country.

She stripped the

the FARA

requirements.

>> Interesting.

Let's talk about Waze.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> The app.

>> Yeah.

>> What's going on with Waze?

A lot of people use Waze.

>> A lot of people Yeah, I I I used Waze.

Um

Somebody, you know, like point

two five people or something, percent to

0.25% of people read the terms and

services. Do you read terms and services

conditions? No, I don't either.

Well, in Waze's terms and services

somebody on online read it, one of the

unicorns, and it said in there, clear as

day, it it's run by run by Israel. It's

run out of Israel

and it's run by Israel, and if you sue

them for any sort of reason, if

something happens, you have to sue the

app

you have to go to Israel to do it. You

can't do it in the United States.

And so, when I looked more into it, I

was like, that's really interesting, and

Google bought it

for 1.3 billion back in like 20

12, something like that. Um

but they didn't require Waze to leave

Israel, and they allowed them to keep

their terms and services so that if

anything happened it was run out of

Israel but your data

over there, everything.

All of your data that you give Waze

sitting over there and the Google

allowed that. And I was curious I was

like how how many other apps are like

this?

There are quite a few.

Quite a few that if something happened

like I know if you sue X and I only know

this cuz another creator tried to do it.

>> [snorts]

>> She had to go to Texas for her filing.

Like weird state things. But with Waze

you have to go to Israel and they're not

like our you don't get a jury you don't

it cost you more to go to even do that.

And I'm like how does an app run a US

based app? Everyone thinks Google owns

it.

How are they allowed to do this without

telling you?

Are we just going to put everything in

these terms and services so nobody reads

it anymore? Like

that's why I think the trust is gone.

Like do I have to read terms and

services now?

But that's what it does you

all operated run out of and the three

founders of it are former 8200 IDF 8200.

>> Interesting.

>> Mhm.

>> Interesting.

>> So

that's

>> You know I guess something you could do

is just copy and paste all the terms and

services and run it through an AI

program at this point now that it's up

and running.

>> Yep.

>> That'll tell you all the red flags.

>> Yeah I think we could even like what I'm

going to do is try to set up an agent to

go and just search terms and services

agreements and pull out any with red

flags cuz there are some weird ones that

operating in the United States too that

I don't think people realize what

they're doing what they're signing.

>> Mhm.

>> It'd be interesting to see how many so

>> Probably pretty much all of them.

>> I know.

But this one the Israel part was was

I don't think Google is being

forthcoming and and I think if they told

people when I told people so many people

deleted the app. But you need to give

people that choice. Otherwise they lose

trust in

what you're doing.

And is that where we're at? I don't

That's the problem.

>> What about the Flock cameras?

>> Oh, Flock.

Have you Do you know like anything about

them? You know, Nashville is one of the

number one

places uh that use them.

You know that?

>> I did not know that.

>> Um

>> I've been waiting to talk to somebody

about this. I haven't dug into it much

yet, but I know everybody's pissed off

about it.

>> Okay, so Flock was founded by three

Georgia Tech students who

uh

they were like, "The license plate is

the the thing that helps you find the

bad guys. That's That's your nucleus.

So,

we should be able to track license

plates, stop crime." The intention was

good, I think, when they started it.

Um then they got some investors, and

those

investors um have taken them to new

levels.

And they're selling them to police

departments and everything, and they're

creating add-ons. So, now the Flock

camera grabs your license plate. Great,

can track you.

But, now they have an add-on called

Nova, no Flock Nova.

And that add-on now says, "Oh, this

license plate is owned by

Sean

Ryan. And I now can link everything

about him in from databases that we

have, open source.

So, your emails, LinkedIn, all of the

stuff you can find open source.

Okay. Your address.

That's not great.

But, they've also this hacker

white glove hacker found a vulnerability

where they actually were also getting

information from the dark web.

So, that means that they're getting your

bank account, too.

And they're getting your social security

number. And they're able to have that by

you driving by. That's no longer

We're going to get into this. Preventing

crime, that's starting to look like

surveillance.

And then, they've also partnered with

this other company and that company can

read Bluetooth devices. So, if you're a

passenger in that car

and you have Bluetooth device, now they

know you're riding with it they're

putting it all together and then they'll

know everything about you because of

this Nova add-on.

And so

at what point does it stop being your

stopping crime

and start being surveillance and you're

building the surveillance state right

under people's noses and I think that's

what they're concerned about.

There are so many technology

advancements being added to what

could have just been something to stop

crime that is now

getting information on people, innocent

people.

And that's the the problem and

>> Who gets to access to that?

>> it up. I'm I'm going to show you this

cuz I think that people would really

like this.

Um

the computer.

There

Let me pull that.

There is a website called have I been

flocked.

I suggest everybody go to it.

And

in this website

it's just these activists who

>> What was that?

>> These activists put together this

website that pulled the audit logs. So,

police departments, federal agencies,

anyone who accesses Flock to look for a

license plate, they've FOIA'd, they've

gotten these audit logs. It's not the

most up-to-date, I think it's like a

month or two old and they don't have

everybody but they have over 430

million

uh

hits. And so, if a police officer is

going to look up your license plate

because they think you're doing

something nefarious, it will show in

here and what they do is they put in

their number and they put in the reason

that they're looking up your plate,

right? Cuz we can't just look up random

people

uh for no reason. And what this audit

log is finding

and Have I Been Flocked shows you all of

this. You have

426,940,000

records in here, okay?

You have

almost 4.7 million plates that have been

searched.

And 9% of them were for crime. Nine. The

other 91 were for other reasons.

Like

that starts to really negate the whole

are you really using it for crime?

And they found that Hold on, let me pull

up the stat.

These are really interesting.

Um

Okay.

I have my stats here. I'll give you.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

84.2%

of all of the searches, over 4 million,

have no case number, which means that

they're not tied to an open case of I

can look up your license plate. There's

a warrant for you.

>> Hm.

>> 84%.

The single most common search reason is

blank.

Nothing.

>> Hm.

>> The median reason is only eight

characters long, which just means

they're typing something in. And 66.3

million searches

have no reason recorded at all for why

they looked up your license plate.

Or information on you.

I think that's crazy.

And the biggest users

the Nashville, Tennessee Police

Department

and

Harris County, Texas Sheriff's Office.

And they also found that

hundreds of thousands of these searches

were done by people who weren't

authorized to necessarily do it. So,

your login information was used by your

buddy.

And everyone can go to have I been

flocked and they can look up all of this

information like the audit logs. You can

go search for your license plate number.

I'm happy to put one in and see if

you've been searched.

Um it'd be interesting to do some

Nashville ones since you guys use it so

much.

Cuz it's like why would you be looking

me up? I'm

I don't do anything.

>> Mhm.

>> So, I think it's a really valuable

website they're putting together and

they have all of this data like

how many searches actually apply to

crime? How many

what's the most searched reason? I mean,

they're searching people who go to

protests who are seen at protests.

And I think that combined with the

surveillance aspect of it is where we

start to get into

we need to fight this. And then Trump

coming out and saying

AI data centers, you're just going to

have to let them happen.

>> [clears throat]

>> Like I just

Yeah, it's

it makes you wonder

the purpose of Flock. But LA just

recently, people are fighting this

successfully. And this is what I think

is important.

I'm a big advocate for like justice. You

can fight this still. There there towns

that are getting rid of them. There are

towns that are without destroying them.

Um there are towns that are voting them

down and they're winning.

LA, which was one of the biggest users,

just

in July, just this month.

They're having to they're going to get

rid of them because of this new

technology and

the capabilities that it has

they can't be trusted.

So,

now I think that's why people are

concerned and I think they have

every reason to be concerned.

>> Interesting.

Have I been flocked.com?

>> Have I been flocked.com?

>> So, who who does have access to that? Is

it Is it just PDs or what?

>> Interestingly enough, PDs and

you'll see federal agencies in here like

uh there are some FBI bureaus in here.

But they were in a pilot program nobody

knew about. They weren't supposed to

have Flock isn't it's for states, for

police departments.

So, the they got caught though when they

FOIA'd for

these these records,

they got caught at who was participating

in this from a federal level.

Um which would make sense, right? I need

to access to your cameras.

But

yeah.

Police departments, federal agencies,

those are who

who's accessed in this log. And you can

see everyone, you can see if they're in

your

city, if they're in your they're in your

town.

It's

a great website, but it it's also is a

website that shows you

the auditability and and what they're

really doing with this. And there was a

sheriff caught for looking up a woman

who's who's going to have an abortion.

They he looked in three states, woman

abortion Flock camera, like

I just

it's been reported that there are

sheriffs or or people in police

departments who are using it to go after

ex-girlfriends, look to see what they're

doing.

And that's when you don't have the right

guardrails around it, that's where I

think they get into

>> Does a LPR do the same thing?

A license plate reader?

>> No.

No. They not unless it has this

attachment on it.

Cuz you can the Nova is an attachment to

Flock. It's Flock Nova and they don't

have to have a procurement to show you

they bought it. So you don't know which

Flock cameras have the capability to

look you up or not.

And I do think that

whether it does or not

technically if they had your license

plate, they have your name, they could

do it, but they're creating this

database.

All in under the guise of

stopping crime.

>> So if let me ask this, cuz I I don't

like this either, but I can see some

benefits.

>> Mhm.

>> You have kids, right?

>> Mhm.

>> So what if

what if one of your kids was kidnapped

and you had the license plate?

And you got it to

the PD and they ran it through the Flock

system. Can they track real time where

the vehicle is and where it is?

>> Yep. And they even have a drone

capability

that I read about that they can deploy

to up to like 30 ft or something to

follow the the car. Um absolutely. I

think I'm a big advocate and I'm a big

also a person that's like

if you're not doing anything I

understand the argument if you're not

doing anything wrong, why do you care?

>> [snorts]

>> But there is a a line

that is crossed. And

if they were using it for just that

great.

But when you look at the audit logs,

they're not.

>> So what would you like to see done?

Would you like the Flock cameras to be

eradicated? Or would you like there to

be some kind of

better guard rails?

>> I think

it's interesting cuz I think we're in a

state in our country where it's like

trust is just at an all-time low.

>> There is no trust.

>> There's no trust.

>> I have zero trust in any government

institutions.

>> Same.

>> None. Zero.

>> Same. Same.

>> Nothing.

>> And it's so disheartening.

But it's where we're at and

because of that, I don't I don't think

it's either or. I don't I don't think we

can have flock cameras with proper

guardrails because we don't have trust

in the people setting up those

guardrails. They would abuse it.

>> I think that

I think maybe even the baby boomer

generation is starting to lose trust.

>> Oh.

>> Not all Not all of it. Maybe 25 Maybe

[laughter] 25%.

>> like a few like a month or something

like that.

>> I I'm

I meet some that are that I mean

they're

it's getting to them, you know, and and

so I think it's a slow

slow process and I I mean but

but even that if that generation is the

only ones that have any trust in the

government, maybe I should say it like

that. They're the only ones that have

any trust left in the government.

>> Yeah.

>> Is that generation.

>> I agree.

>> And it's got to be tough for them. I

mean

to be at that age and realize

you know, to come to terms with

everything that you've ever been told is

a [ __ ] crock of [ __ ] I mean

>> [sighs]

>> that would be tough. Your entire world

gets flipped upside down in what? A

year?

>> Yeah, and why? Why? You're

>> They're not open to it.

They're not even open to the possibility

because it would it do would shatter

everything that they know.

>> Yeah, but I think my my grandmother is

in complete like I talked to her just a

month or two ago. Like I went to visit

her. She always has on Fox News and she

was like, "I'm not having any

of it."

Like you do realize things that are

going on? Nope.

But they're also she's also 89 and so

it's just like why at that point I don't

know if I'd accept it either. I'd be

like, "I'm just going to sit here and

not

I'm just going to pretend the world is

good."

>> Yeah.

>> Cuz what's my alternative?

Yeah, no trust is at all-time low, and

so I do think for Flock, unfortunately,

it's not even the proper guardrails I

wouldn't trust. So.

You're at Flock?

>> Yeah, I've read in uh

2024,

there were 40,000 Flock cameras.

>> Yeah.

>> Then in 2025, there were 80,000 Flock

cameras, and now there are over 100,000,

and we're halfway

you know, we're halfway to uh

we're only halfway through the year

here.

>> Mhm.

>> What other cities?

>> Oh, they're

they're everywhere. Um

Virginia, Texas, and California are the

three

where there's the most.

I'm I'm in Virginia.

Um

but I think they're in every state.

But bringing awareness to it

is what's causing it to kind of start

like LA is getting rid of there. There's

a huge That's a huge amount of Flock

cameras.

>> LA is what?

>> Getting rid. Like they just voted

>> They're getting rid of them?

>> I'm pretty sure um when I read it today,

they just voted to like they're going to

stop using them.

>> Holy [ __ ] go California. You won't hear

me say that for

>> ever I know same. [laughter]

>> So.

>> Same. So, LA is if if they're fighting

back, it's kind of like hm

I think the more people are aware of

them, the more people they're aware of

like what they really are doing, the

audit logs, the more they're going to

fight back. Whereas before it wasn't

like that. No one knew.

So, now it's being uncovered, and that's

I think the power of the things like you

do and I do. It's

bringing to light these things that

people were like, I had no idea.

>> Is there anybody that you know that is

like an expert on the Flock camera

subject?

>> As in what sense?

>> know. That's getting loud about it.

That's

uncovering things that nobody knows

about it. Are you it? Are you that

person?

>> Yeah, I mean I I I mean as far as

in the circle of like

>> [clears throat]

>> creators that I seen,

um I'm the most obsessed with it, yeah.

Because

the

when I started to look at I always start

with the follow the money because I I

feel like that leads you to the things.

And when I looked at who invested in the

Flock cameras, it was two

investors who are the biggest investors

in Israeli surveillance companies like

Toka.

Have you heard of Toka?

>> Mhm.

>> Toka is the company founded by Ehud

Barak

and he has emails with Epstein about it

that can go into any camera real time

and alter the footage, delete the

footage, and leave no forensic trace.

It's

>> Interesting.

>> Insane. And Carbine.

>> Any Any Any camera? What do you mean?

They can get into any camera. Any camera

that's attached to the rub?

>> Your Your Ring camera, your your Flock

camera.

>> So anything that's attached to the

internet?

>> Mhm.

>> If we detach one of these and

>> Yeah. Anything attached to the internet.

>> What about an iPhone?

>> Yeah,

to into the footage. Yeah, so what it

does it goes it goes into live camera

feed. So if you're recording

>> Mhm.

>> and it can like a Ring camera for

instance and it can alter that footage,

delete the footage real time and leave

no forensic trace.

And in 2018 when they were when it was

being talked about, Ehud Barak had

exchanged emails with Epstein and he was

asking Epstein to talk to the intel

agencies about it. And they were getting

it in the government and just recently

like within the past few years, they've

opened up an office in in DC.

So

>> I'll bet a bunch of Epstein's clients

would have loved to have been able to

tap into their own footage.

>> I'm like, huh, is that what Is what

we're doing? So yeah, that's I mean,

pretty scary capability. I can't think

of any non-nefarious reason you would

use it except to cover things up.

>> Yeah.

>> And those are the investors

in Flock cameras.

>> Interesting.

I mean, that's another question I have,

you know, with the Flock camera stuff. I

mean, we're already just being tracked

everywhere. You know what I mean? With

the the phone is like the main thing,

but then, you know, you brought up the

Ring cameras and I mean,

pretty much everybody has a Ring camera

or an

or a Simply Safe camera or a equivalent,

you know, there's a Google camera.

There's a ton of them, right? Every

house has them. They're all connected to

the internet. People have I mean,

they've been used to solve crimes.

So, I mean, we're we're pretty much

we're just we're we're on camera all the

time anyways.

>> Yeah, but Ring actually, and shout out

to them for this,

they were going to partner with Flock.

Flock wanted to partner with them so

they could track even through Ring

cameras, and Ring, once they learned

more, cut the relationship.

>> Interesting.

>> So, they don't allow them to do that.

And so, I'm like,

oh,

at least good surveillance or bad

surveillance. But yeah, I know you're

right. We're

The thing is we're being tracked all the

time.

>> Mhm.

>> Um

where are they going to go with it?

That's the question.

>> Yeah, that's I don't I mean, I don't I

don't know. What do you think they're

going to go with it?

>> I mean,

I I think about this a lot cuz I I'm not

I don't like conspiracy theories, but

I've also realized conspiracy theories

are actually like a lot of them are

actually true,

um which is crazy, but

I I do think that there is potential

based on everything I'm seeing with the

push for AI data centers,

the push for messaging, that

that we will our first amendment will be

monitored and punished or not through

some sort of

centralized banking. Like it's all going

to be tied together.

They're pushing for centralized digital

banking.

So if you speak out against something,

you're punished.

I could see that happening.

Obviously, that's

extreme for like what I think they would

do with it.

But I don't I don't know why else they

would

>> Yeah.

>> Um I do think it will be used to monitor

and

you know.

>> What do you think about the military's

merging?

>> Oh, I it's

it's I can't believe it. I I can't

actually believe it.

Um

>> Well, it's not military's merge. It's

not

>> Right. It's That's the term people use.

>> Yeah, it's it's what is it's basically a

tech merge.

Is that what it is?

>> Yeah, so it there's like six components

to it. Um

and it's system sharing. Like

you're going to get into

allow access into our

zippers or data like what? I I

Um I understand and I did a thing on it

months ago. I understand

wanting to do it to

Israel is so advanced in their

technology. They in their weapons. Uh

they are. And so being able to leverage

that,

great.

This isn't that and that's the problem.

It's like

this is actually linking systems that

can't be undone. And the reason I think

that it's not

for something good like just to do

something as innocent as share

capabilities.

>> nothing good.

>> It's because they're standing up for

their own office.

>> our capabilities?

>> In fact, we just disregard our own

intelligence agencies as it is and just

listen to theirs, whatever they say. I

don't even know why we have an office. I

don't even know why we even have

intelligence agencies anymore. Let's

just listen to what Israel has to say.

>> Apparently, they let them spy on our I

mean, even the DIA came out and said,

this is the crazy thing. The DIA came

out and said, Israel is spying on our

government officials. They are a like

espionage threat. We're like, let's

merge. Let's And and people say merging

militaries and everyone gets caught up

on that term. I think it's just the term

people use, but it's it's merging our

tech. It's They even had something in

there that the last one, it's bio

health. It's it's merging our health

stand like why would you need to do that

with Israel? It's merging our

capabilities.

They are going to be so integrated with

our military. It's You're going to have

access to everything. And the scariest

part is that you're standing up your own

office to do it.

Like they're standing up their own So,

Netanyahu comes out and says,

"I don't want aid anymore. We don't want

you to send us aid. We don't want

America to send us aid." This was a few

months ago.

But what they're going to do is say that

so they look like the good guys, but

this office that they're going to stand

up is going to have a director, its own

org, its own budget.

And that's Now we're not going to be

able to see how much money we're giving

to Israel because all they have to do is

give a certain amount that's public.

Everything else is run through the

special access programs channels, the

the classified channels that nobody

sees.

>> Mhm.

>> And all the

all the money goes and nobody can yell

about it.

And I think that's why they're doing it.

And that's

it can't be undone. It can't be undone

once it's done. And I don't think they

realize this.

>> How close are we to the merge?

>> So, the House voted

They passed it, but what happens now uh

is the Senate.

>> I thought the Senate already voted this

[ __ ] out.

>> Yeah, but it it's weird. The NDAA is

it's 1,700 pages long.

It is a it's the biggest defense

I mean, it's our defense budget for the

year. It takes them a long time. So, the

Senate marks theirs up. That's what they

did. In June, they marked theirs up.

They have a version. And they go to pass

it and they didn't.

The House passed their version.

So, now the House's version goes to the

Senate and the Senate says,

"Are we going to pass this House

version? Are we going to have our own?

Are we going to mark it up? What are we

going to do?"

And then they pass whatever they have,

whatever they come up with. It can be

different. Then they get into a

committee, the House and the Senate,

closed doors, so we lose all

transparency. The closed door committee

then says, "Okay, we're going to create

a final NDAA out of this." The 219 could

be stripped. It could be enhanced. It

it could change.

>> I think I read there was only three

Republicans that

um that voted against it, Eli Crane, Tim

Burchett, and Massie, I believe. Am I

right on that?

>> Seven.

>> Seven? Seven?

>> Um

Luna, the the woman in Florida,

and then there were

a few two or three others. There were

seven of them and then there were there

were seven Republicans

that crossed party lines and there were

six Democrats that voted yes.

And it only won It only passed by

>> Only six Democrats voted yes?

What the [ __ ] is happening?

>> And and Henry Yeah, the Democrats voted

no. And Henry Cuellar, who is one of the

Democrats that voted no, he was going to

prison for decades

um

bef- like in 2024, before Trump pardoned

him. He was going to prison for decades

for being a foreign agent and taking

fraud bribes from them.

>> Mhm.

>> And Trump pardoned him and now he votes

uh he voted to spy on us without a

warrant and he votes for the merger. He

votes for the Republicans and I found

that very interesting.

So

>> Politics, man.

>> Yeah. And it only it only failed it only

passed by four votes. So

>> where you go to sell your soul to the

devil.

>> Yeah. So if people ask me if I would

ever do it, I would never I would never

do it.

>> What, run?

>> F- Being in politics, yeah. Like run.

I think governors have have a shot at

change.

I think everyone else just

Like if you were a governor, you could

make a change.

Like you could make a difference.

I don't think federally you can.

>> No.

>> But

>> either.

>> Yeah, I think the merging of the

military's is one of the scariest things

that happened is that could happen to

us.

>> Well,

Leah, I appreciate you coming.

>> Yeah, no, this was great.

>> Great conversation.

What's next for you?

>> I don't know.

I don't

>> Well, let us know when you figure it

out.

>> [laughter]

>> Just keep doing what I'm doing.

>> All right. Thank you.

>> No.

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