#2568 — Ross Edgley

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Ross recalls the four mythical guardians he heard about before swimming around Iceland.

The four creatures also support Iceland’s national coat of arms, a blue shield with a white-edged red cross. The government’s history traces that design to 12 February 1919, when a flag-bearing shield replaced the earlier white gyrfalcon. The present version dates to the republic’s establishment on 17 June 1944: the royal crown was removed, the creatures redrawn and a stone base added. That base was modelled on Kirkjubæjarklaustur’s natural basalt “church floor”. Painter Tryggvi Magnússon made the revised design; the National Museum preserves his original as object 15026. The official account also reproduces Snorri Sturluson’s story, naming the king in the story as Harald Gormsson of Denmark.

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>> Thank you. My man brought 18year-old.

>> That's good.

>> Woo. That's the real deal. 18year-old

single malt scotch whiskey.

>> That's smoky.

>> Delicious.

>> That is smoky. I had a this is a true

story. I had a deal set up for a a

whiskey deal like they wanted to do, you

know, they do these things like with

celebrities and I was like, "Well, we

got a lot of money. I guess I could do

it. All right, let's do it." And so they

said that they could help me like design

the whiskey. I'm like, "Oh, that'd be

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Trace was like, "Look, we love you, but

the reality is our whiskey takes like

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So, I tried this whiskey and I was like,

"Ah, it's pretty good. It's pretty

good." I tried gave it to my friends

like, "It's pretty good." And then I

[ __ ] up and I had some 18-year-old

scotch and it was so good. I'm like, "I

can't lie. If if I'll say this is my

favorite whiskey, but that will be a lie

cuz this is so much better.

>> This is There's no substitute for time.

No,

>> there's no substitute for time in those

barrels.

>> That tastes like Scotland as well,

doesn't it?

>> I remember one of the writers when I was

on news radio, he exposed me to this

stuff. He said, "Uh, do you like

whiskey?" I'm like, "It's okay. It's

kind of nasty. You just do it to get a

buzz, right?" He's like, "No, no, no.

You got to like He was like very

specific. You have like a a large cube

of ice and he's like, "Come on, let me

buy you a It's like a $200 whiskey." I'm

like, "What? $200 for a [ __ ] glass?"

He's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trust me,

trust me." And so he bought me this

glass. I was like, "Oh,

oh, okay."

>> It was £200.

>> It's a different thing.

>> It's a different thing. If you drink a

20-year-old whiskey, it's a very

different thing. So, it cost me who

knows how much money

>> cuz I I got to get out of the deal. And

they're like, "What?" And I was like, "I

can't." No. Like, I can't lie. I can't

lie and say this is my favorite.

>> I respect that. I respect that.

>> I can't I could if I was poor. Look, if

I was broke, I could lie, but I'm I have

a lot of money, so I'm like, I'm not

lying

>> to the sanctity of whiskey.

>> Because this is there's they figured it

out. Like the Irish and the Scotch the

Scots, they figured it out

>> in Scotland. This is like a religious

thing.

>> Yeah, for sure.

>> They don't [ __ ] around.

>> For sure.

>> You get some really old Scotch, man.

Really old Scotch whiskey has a very

distinct taste

>> and they're willing to wait [ __ ] 18

years to get that taste. That's crazy.

>> M

That just reminds me of Scotland.

>> We had to stop the podcast before the

podcast even started cuz we were talking

about so much cool [ __ ] I'm like, I'm

going to leave the room

>> cuz uh I don't want us to miss any of

this. So, first of all, you were telling

me you swam around the you 60 hours in

Loch Ness.

>> Yeah. Speaking of Scotland.

>> Oh, cuz we This is strange cuz obviously

it was seven years ago now when we

caught up when I swam around Great

Britain and then since then

>> that was seven years ago. weird, right?

Wow. Right. And then and then now I've

just been on this kind of strange career

trajectory, if you can call it a career

in inverted commas. So, we did yet a 60

hour uh non-stop swim in Loch Ness. Um

was going well. So, it was all for ocean

conservation. We raised so much money.

It was amazing. Um it was going well up

until the 60 hour point. Started

hallucinating, started seeing things.

Basically, the only way I can describe

it is um uh you like you're looking

through the eye of a needle. It's just

getting smaller and smaller and smaller.

And then it just went completely black.

Just went completely dark.

>> Did you black out? Yeah. Blacked out.

Basically, it was hypothermia mixed with

cellulitis. So, cellulitis is a skin

infection. Exactly. Exactly. From the

wet suit that was just getting to my

blood.

>> God. You had a staff infection and at

the same time you were hypothermic

>> and at the same time you've been up for

3 days.

>> Yeah. It's exactly. It was a bad place

to be, Joe. It was a bad place.

>> That's so crazy. 60 hours of swimming is

so insane. 60 hours of running is

insane. But you could stop running and

take a nap. You know what I'm saying?

>> It was so bad with the Loch Ness

monster. It was bad. It was bad.

>> Do you think that's real?

>> Um I mean something touched my leg when

I was in

>> But you were hallucinating.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's true. I'm not the

best person to ask, but exactly what you

just said there. It was strange cuz my

skin was on fire from the cellulitis,

but then I could feel in my bones. I was

getting so cold.

>> Anyway, long story short, God,

>> blacked out. I woke up and um just Oh,

there we go. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Oh, there you go. Yeah. It's all

over your back and your neck.

>> Oh, so you just ridden with staff

infection.

>> Yeah, that's how bad it was.

>> Oh, that's horrible.

>> And I think it was it was that coupled

with the hypothermia. So, this is going

to sound so strange, but but it went

completely black. I remember waking up

and then I was in the hospital.

>> So, did they have to scoop you out of

the water?

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> How do they do you have someone beside

you like with a net like?

>> Yeah, we had we had a team. They were

amazing. They scooped me up. I look, I

basically open my eyes, the next thing I

know, I see my mom and my girlfriend at

the head of the the hospital bed and I

just went, "Oh, it's not gone well, has

it?" And they were like, "Ross, no, it's

not going."

>> You woke up in the hospital room.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow. So, the entire transport to the

hospital, you were out cold.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> How long were you out cold for?

>> They think about 13 hours. Yeah. I was

sort of

>> You were out cold for 13 hours.

>> Coming in and out of I don't I don't say

it proudly. Sort of coming in and out of

consciousness. cuz I still sort of

remember little bits but then like I

said the main thing was just being there

with my mom and my girlfriend and they

were just they looked disappointed. I

was like I'm so sorry. So so from there

what's interesting a year later uh in

Lake Tresamino in Italy um we did

another swim for charity. It was

amazing. Everything was organized but

because of Italian bureaucracy they said

you have to do it on this particular

day. Um getting into the water it was

36° and I don't know what that is in

Fahrenheit but hot. It was a bath

basically. We got caught in a heat wave.

So going in there, um, I had hypothermia

before. Now I have hypothermia. It's a

heat stroke. Um, we

>> So you're like swimming in a hot bath

>> basically.

>> What is 36° in Fahrenheit? Is that like

90°?

>> Yeah. 96.8. Yeah.

>> 96. Holy [ __ ] That's crazy. What is

there a [ __ ] volcano under there?

>> This is it. That's nuts.

>> So they said it was the hottest month

ever recorded in Italy. I got caught in

this.

>> It's got to kill fish. No.

>> Yeah, it was. I was swimming past fish

that had been boiled alive.

>> Oh my god. By the way, go back to that

picture of him.

>> Jacked.

>> Jacked, son.

>> That was after I saw.

>> He looked like the real live Wolverine

in that picture.

>> It's like if Marvel comics if Wolverine

That's what it looked like.

>> You can see the chafing on my shoulder

there. But no cellulitis thankfully.

>> Thank Thank god. So this is um

>> that was Iceland. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And I think what's

interesting, so

>> why did you why do you think you got

cellulitis from the water in Scotland,

>> they think cuz it was fresh water,

>> right? Yeah. Yes,

>> that makes sense.

>> The swim around ice just as bad. It was

so bad. But equally, you just got salt

water,

>> right? But it's it's not doesn't have

the bacteria content

>> is exactly it. Yeah.

>> Wow.

Of course. But boy, fresh water's nasty.

>> Yeah,

>> it's nasty. But especially at well it

wasn't 96° but if it was imagine that.

>> Yeah.

>> Well I think what was interesting is is

from then trusting me. So I got rabbi

myis uh there. So that's just muscle

breakdown basically.

>> You got robbed though too?

>> Bad. Yeah. Really bad.

>> Wait a minute. In Iceland or in

Scotland?

>> Well certainly in Iceland but but in

Italy. Yes. So I had hypothermia and

cellulitis in Loch Ness. Fast forward a

year then I got rabbiis and heat stroke

in Italy. What's what's so strange

though, and this is I'm aware this

sounds a little bit twisted, but as a

sports scientist and obviously

researched the theory and philosophy of

all this, whereas actually subjecting my

body to it, I was like, "Oh, cool." You

know, this is what hypothermia feels

like. And it was the same with

rabdomiis. So, so basically sitting here

right now just chilling, you know, not

been trained or anything like that. Ah,

creatine kynise. So, that's an enzyme

that's responsible for muscle breakdown.

Um, so when it's in your muscles,

basically in your in your blood, it says

there's been some muscle breakdown.

Sitting here right now, it might be

about 80. If we had a hard workout,

maybe 300. If you run a marathon, 1,000.

If you run an ultramarathon, maybe

getting up to 4,000, 5,000. At 10,000,

your creatine kynise, they are rushing

you to a hospital. At that point,

they're really worried about your

kidneys that are just working overtime

to try to filter it out. They said,

Ross, yours is at 19,000, which is so

weird for a sport where you are

suspended in water. It's not even

weightbearing. You shouldn't have this

amount of muscle breakdown. So, I think

thankfully my kidneys did an amazing

job. Shout out to my kidneys. Filled me

out and got me out of the hospital in a

few days. But I think what's so strange

is that sort of a career then led me to

swim around Iceland where I just knew

what rabdomiolyis, hypothermia,

cellulitis. I knew what all of those

things were. So, as a result, I kind of

turned up in Iceland as this kind of

bulletproof

swimmer who was like, "Oh, it doesn't

matter what it's going to throw at me,

I'm going to understand."

>> Oh my god, dude. That is insane.

>> And then we swam 1,000 miles around

Iceland, which was amazing.

>> When you were getting the hypothermia,

they say that before people die, they

get hot and they want to take their

clothes off. Did you have that feeling?

>> Exactly that. But I think part of that

was the cellulitis as well cuz my skin

felt like it was on fire but then

equally at the same time like I could

just I was shivering with my internal

organs. It's a strange position.

>> Did you take into consideration the

possibility of cellulitis before you got

into that fresh water? Did you know

about it?

>> No. No. I became an expert afterwards.

>> I would want to research like like throw

it in perplexity like what are the cons?

What's the worst thing that can happen

here in the water? What are the physical

dangers I have to worry about with fresh

water versus salt water?

>> Yeah.

>> Is the lock monster real?

>> Should have researched that. I think

what's weird and I'm glad we started,

you know, our catch up like this because

I think so often people go, why do you

do it? But I think now looking at the

anthropology of as humans, the history

of as humans across different cultures,

different countries, we've always been

doing this idea of self-discipline for

self-discovery.

>> Yeah. You know, you look at the the

marathon monks of Japan, for instance,

um over seven years, over a thousand

days, we'll almost do a marathon a day.

Um

>> those guys in Mexico from the Born to

Run book.

>> Exactly. Tamar or whatever. Yeah.

>> Yeah. They just they run either barefoot

or with small homemade shoes they make

from rubber tires and [ __ ] Exactly.

>> They make like sandals out of like

retreaded tires.

>> Exactly. I mean, it's weird as well like

even going back further as well. So I

ended up doing a documentary ages ago.

So 20 years ago now did Iraaska for a

week in the Amazon jungle with the

Jamanawa tribe. At the end of this week

as part of the initiation into manhood

um we basically then this is such a

random story but we they they kill the

snake and you have to bite the tongue

out of the snake. Pass. Hard pass. I'd

rather be a boy forever. [ __ ] you. You

can't tell me I have to eat a snake's

tongue to be a man. Next thing you know,

you got to suck a pig's dick. If you

don't suck that pig's dick, you're not a

real man.

>> Says who? Says some [ __ ] guy in the

jungle who doesn't even have Starlink.

[ __ ] you. [ __ ] you, buddy. How about you

get a pair of Nikes?

>> You don't even have shoes, you [ __ ]

idiot.

>> I was young and impressionable. I didn't

question it, so I did it. I bit the

tongue, Joe. I bit the tongue.

>> I would have bit the tongue, too. I'm

just [ __ ] around. I would have

definitely bit that tongue, especially

if they brought me in and put face paint

on me and [ __ ] That was it. I was

caught up in the moment. I was caught up

in the moment. I'm like, we all do.

>> I got sidetracked when I was looking up

people biting tongues of snakes.

>> Men get high from cobra bite on tongue.

>> It says they got high for at least a

month.

>> Oh my god. How' you hate your life so

much? You sign up to get high for a

month by getting bit on the tongue by a

cobra. Like [ __ ] take me away. This

job sucks. I just want to be high.

>> We've all done things we regret. You

know, you

>> Yeah, but that's off the charts. Getting

bit on the tongue by a cobra. I'd be

like, is there a way? Can I just grab

the cobra venom and put it on a [ __ ]

Q-tip?

>> Oh, hold on. Maybe a little better. It's

after the astrologers's nightmare

advice, they did it.

>> Oh, after astrologers nightmare advice.

>> This might be a different story.

>> Well, that's a different snake, too,

isn't that?

>> Performing a ritual. That was probably

the what I was doing. Yeah. Telly sniped

by bit a man's tongue after an

astrologer told him that performing a

ritual with the serpent would stop his

nightmares.

>> That that is essentially what I did.

>> Bro, where's that guy from? Say that say

that name.

>> Ross, you got it. Go for it.

>> Goido Palium.

>> That might be accurate. That's pretty

goddamn good. That's a real world

traveler, ladies and gentlemen. That's

how they pronounce things. They roll

their Rs and [ __ ] Can you put that back

up, please? That was nuts.

>> This is crazy.

>> So, this is the thing. So, so he wasn't

lying.

>> So, this is a different snake. This is

the Russell's viper. One of the most

common snakes to inflict bites on people

in India. During the ritual, the man

mimicked the snake's tongue flickering

movements, which is when the incredibly

deadly snake bit him on the tongue. Yo.

After the snake bit the man, the priest

attempted to make a cut in his tongue

using a knife, which only worsened the

pain. Shocker.

I thought that would have fixed

everything. The venom from the Russell's

Viper usually causes cardiovascular

complications, heostatic abnormalities,

renal failure, and is renal failure.

What is that?

>> Uh, essentially, I think it's the

kidneys basically no longer doing their

job shutting down. So, internal organs

just go.

>> So, like Rabbdo,

>> very similar. Those who are bitten need

treatment immediately. The man was

rushed to a nearby medical center. Jesus

Christ. Did that guy even get high?

>> This was not This was in the same uh

>> surgery was performed probably for the

cut on his tongue. Like who the [ __ ] did

you let cut your tongue dude?

>> Also in India they get high off of this.

So it's a

sidebyside story there. So this is the

same snake or the cobra.

>> Different different different

loads of people doing it. So this see

this makes me feel better.

>> But here's my question. It does make me

feel better too. But here's my question.

What is the venom? Like can't you just

rub it on your tongue? Can't you put it

on like a spatula or some [ __ ]

>> There you go.

>> Oh boy, fella. Why?

>> No. No. I I didn't do that. No, no, no.

But he's he's making you do that and

then all a sudden you're in front of God

and God's explaining the nature of life

and the universe. It's a continuous

cycle and you've done this a million

times before and you're getting better

at it, but you're not done. And when you

do get done, you will be God. Bye.

>> That's amazing. I wish I'd have had that

experience.

>> Yeah. And it lasts three days. For three

days, you're talking to God and God's

coming out of a serpent's tongue.

>> That's amazing. But we did that. I think

what was I didn't some as was slightly

different to to that. So basically after

you had basically just you know tongued

a snake.

>> They turn to you and they go okay now

you have the wisdom of the jungle but

you cannot speak for 24 hours. So

everyone just like that. Okay. We take a

vow of silence. And then for the next 24

hours one of the things that they had us

do was climb a tree. So I disappear

about 4 meters up this tree holding on

like that completely naked. And they

just start smacking the bottom of the

tree. And I just get engulfed in fire

ants. But can't make a sound. You can't

make a sound. And they said, "If you

make a sound, the spirit of the snake

will haunt you for the rest of your

life. But if you don't make a sound,

you'll be blessed with the wisdom of the

jungle."

>> How old were you?

>> 21. Yeah. 21.

>> Jesus. So, was that the beginning of all

this self torture?

>> I think it might have been. This has

turned into therapy.

>> How many times did you get bit by fire

ants?

>> Oh, loads. I was

>> Did they They get the nuggets. They get

the whole thing. They got all the they

got all the nuggets.

>> Damn, son.

>> But but but I think it's interesting

that when I talk about my my swim,

>> what Jamie,

>> this kills [ __ ] 60,000 people a year

in India.

>> What?

>> Oh my god.

>> This you're l I would say you're lucky

to be alive clearly, but

>> wow. Well, I don't know if it's the same

snake.

>> This is from the This is the Russell's

viper,

>> right? But he didn't get a Russell's

viper. He was in the Amazon.

>> Yeah. Yeah, that's a different animal.

The the Indian thing seems insane

though.

>> I don't know what's going

>> They let it bite their tongue.

>> I guess India like in certain parts of

it, life is so hard they're like, "Fuck

it. I'll do anything." You know what I

mean? Like you see some of this the the

scenes online of India and the the

pollution in the rivers is so it's so

preposterous. You're like, "How did it

get this bad?" where like entire rivers

are filled with plastic. Like you don't

see any water at all. You just see

plastic and then you see people just

dumping their stuff into that river.

You're like, is there no adults in the

room? Like, how the [ __ ] did this

happen? There's no other way. There's no

other way to do this than to dump all

the plastic in the river and everyone's

in agreement.

>> This is crazy. Like, what the [ __ ] Give

me the snake. I'll take that snake.

>> That's my way out.

>> Let's go. I want to talk to God. How

many times do I have to do this?

Forever. This is How many times have I

done? Hundreds of thousands. Oh, no. Oh,

I thought I was unique. Oh my god, those

pictures.

>> What do you got, dude? I don't want to

show me. Let's go. Oh my tongue.

>> Oh, nice.

>> Oh god, these [ __ ] they get their

tongue rotted out because that's one of

the things that venom does. That's why

like when when a rattlesnake bites you,

it's so dangerous. It's not just the

venom can kill you, but it also rots all

the [ __ ] tissue around where the bite

is. I saw this poor guy. He got bitten

and he had multiple reconstructions of

his arm and he documented it all online.

And this was quite a while ago. It was

like the early days of the internet, but

this guy did this documentation of what

his arm looked like from the time he got

bit by this rattlesnake to like eight

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>> So this guy's doing it to his tongue.

Oh, but I think it's it's weird as well.

This is going to sound so strange, but I

I I think sometimes that that granted is

strange because it's voluntary, but

again, this is a weird example, but I

was living with the um uh in Olanok in

Siberia with the Aveni herders out

there. And I think so often we've become

too civilized. we we kind of have

civilization over survival, you know,

and there's certain things that they do,

whether it's um they rely on the

reindeer, they they kill them, they have

them for their for their milk, butter,

make all sorts out of them. But this one

particular story, I'm going to apologize

in advance now, but to manage the amount

of reindeer that they have in these huge

herds. They basically said to us, "Look,

we need to basically castrate some of

the male reindeer cuz they're fighting.

So, we still need them, but we need to

castrate them." I was like, "Okay, look,

that's a bit off key, but give me the

knife and I I'll do whatever you need to

do and they said, "No, no, no, no. We'll

stop you there, Ross." We actually do a

form of um semicration. So, we just want

to make them slightly more docile so

they're not fighting as much. And they

>> they do it with the teeth.

>> Exactly that. Yeah.

>> Yeah. They they grab them from behind

and they bite their nuts with their

teeth.

>> That's exactly it. Yeah. So, when I was

out there, they said, "Would you like to

perform it?" I'm not proud of it.

>> That's what I did.

>> I understand that they have to do that

like the way they gel horses, you know,

they do that with horses as well. I

understand it, but uh I don't want to be

a part of that. I won't even do that to

my dogs. Like I went to a veterinarian

once and she literally cradled my dog,

Johnny Cash. I had this mastiff named

John Johnny Cash. He was the best. And

this lady cradled his balls. She goes,

"What are these? Why are these here?" I

go, "Well, those are his testicles, and

he was born with them, and that's how

his body produces testosterone."

And she's like, "Wouldn't it be

responsible to have him neutered?" And I

was like, "Why would that be

responsible? He's not having unnecessary

babies. Why would Why do you want his

body to not produce testosterone? Is it

because there's a narrative? Is it

because you profit off of it? Like what?

Fortunately for me, I had a doctor when

I first moved to Los Angeles, a

veterinarian who was an a I mean, this

guy was an animal lover. I mean, he was

like a dog whisperer. I brought my dog

in and immediately he was like my dog's

best friend. And uh I said, "Should I

get him fixed?" He goes, "No, there's no

reason to." He goes, "You have a fence.

your dog's not going to hop out and make

puppies that aren't going to be taken

care of. If you're a responsible dog

owner, don't get your dog fixed." I go,

"Really?" I thought it was like for

their health so they don't get cancer.

He goes, "Complete horseshit." He goes,

"If dogs get cancer, it's most likely

probably from really bad food.

>> They're eating shitty food just like

people get cancer. You know, not a lot

of animals get cancer. It's not a lot of

nor Well,

>> Tasmanian devils do,

>> but they get cancer from biting each

other. They're one of the weirdest cases

of cancer. They have a transmissible

cancer.

>> Like Tasmanian Devil from the cartoon.

You ever seen those [ __ ] in real

life?

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> They they have the craziest sounds.

>> Anyway, my point is don't cut your nuts

off your dog if you're a responsible dog

owner cuz they get tired. Even Huberman,

we were talking about Huberman before.

He did it to his bulldog and he felt bad

so he started giving his bulldog

testosterone.

>> He said, "Yeah, when I caught up with

him." Yeah. Is it true as well? Sharks

don't get cancer as well. They've got

these crazy immune systems. Yeah. Yeah.

Sharks.

>> Also, they're not bones. It's like we're

so distant from them. They are so old.

>> My god. So I Yeah, I went swimming with

great whites of Tasmania. Oh my god.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You'll be You'll be aware of

this as well.

>> Tasmania. So outside Australia. The real

ones. The real ones. Those are the OGs.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They get big. They

stop growing. The females certainly they

stop growing in length at a certain

point. Then they just get bigger. It's

just a submarine with teeth.

>> Like New Zealand rugby players.

>> Exactly. Exactly like that. Exactly like

that. It is nuts. So they they explained

to me they basically said they have

something called um the ampulive

laurenzini. So they're able to pick up

electrical impulses. Is your heart

beating quick? Are you are you

twitching? Do you look like prey?

>> Oh Jesus Christ.

>> I was down there with some very

experienced divers as well. We dived and

we swam with them on the dive when we

went down about 40 ft. What was nuts is

they immediately knew that I was the

weakest link. They immediately knew that

I I was kind of out of my depth when it

came to diving. And they all just

started swimming towards me like and

they're just going, "Ross, Ross, I'm not

saying square up to it, but please stop

breathing so heavy and acting like

prey." So, in that moment, it was just

strange how we had a conversation, but

it was obviously non-verbal and across

species that it was looking at me, came

straight up to me. I sort of tried, not

again, I'm not saying I squared up to

it, but kind of was like, "Can I help

you?" And then it just went, "All right,

you're okay." And just

>> Well, you didn't panic.

>> No. And if you panic that might have

been the end.

>> Yeah. But just the the way that they

like I said describe that ampuli of

Laurenini that they are just looking at

me. There is this it's a this apex

predator with just like thousands of

years and it's downloading data on me

and it just knew 10 of us down there and

it knew that I was the weakest link.

>> Jeez.

>> Yeah. Great.

>> It's probably so obvious, right? Those

other guys are so comfortable in the

water. They've done it a million times.

Probably have a very low heart rate down

there. It's a novel experience for you.

And there's sharks.

>> Exactly that. Exactly.

>> My good friend Adam Greenree, one of his

buddies back home in Australia, got his

head bit off by a shark.

>> He was he was uh spear fishing

>> and he came out of a thing like like a

crevice or something in the reef and a

shark just took

>> didn't even see it coming. Just

>> didn't even see it coming. just popped

out and the shark saw something that

looked like food that was coming out of

the reef

>> cuz they're, you know, they're they're

in the reefs looking for all sorts of

whatever they eat,

>> whatever fish [ __ ] up and, you know, or

in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They're so damn scary.

>> Cuz they're ambush predators as well.

>> The tiger sharks of Bahamas similarly

swimming with them and so often it's

just enough to look at them. As long as

they can see your eyes, they go, "Okay,

you've seen me." But the amount of times

sometimes when we were down there and

they're like, "Ross, have your head on a

swivel because they were just coming up

behind me." And had I have not turned

around 100% I wouldn't be speaking to

you now.

>> Dude, in Hawaii, they're a real problem,

man. They're a real problem for the

surfers.

>> You know, whenever you hear about

someone getting got, it's a tiger shark.

>> There's a crazy video we played on here

once of this guy. He's uh he's in a

kayak and he's out in the middle of the

ocean fishing and a tiger shark just

slams into his kayak and you see its

mouth wide open, his big [ __ ] head

and it knocks the kayak sideways. It's

terrifying.

>> And he's screaming, "Tiger shark, tiger

shark." Just

>> here it is. Watch this. Watch this.

>> Eat of them.

>> Watch this. Oh no,

>> bro. [ __ ] that. [ __ ] all that.

>> That That was a tiger, was it?

>> Yes. [ __ ] all that. Look at this thing.

Launch up. Imagine if he was in an

inflatable.

>> If he was in an inflatable, that's a

wrap.

>> You just got your [ __ ] popped by a tiger

and now you're floating a mile offshore,

whatever the [ __ ] is.

>> It's the same like bull sharks as well,

though. Bull sharks are just angry.

Experts like friends of mine have just

said like they will just come over to

you with with a white shark. They're

they're curious. Their taste buds are in

their throats. They'll come over, nip

you, and they're just like, "Oh, sorry.

I didn't realize you weren't a seal. The

only problem is is you're bleeding out.

Whereas a bull shark, they'll just be

like, I'm just in a bad mood. I'm just

going to come over and just miss. Yeah,

exactly. I talked to this dude in

Florida. He said he will not spearfish

anymore. He said they live in central

like central Florida. He said when

you're off the reefs, he said it's so

[ __ ] dangerous. He's like the bull

sharks are all over the place now.

>> Yeah.

>> Cuz everybody's like sharks are amazing.

Stop the shark fin soup. [ __ ] serve

it up. Okay. Serve up monster dick soup.

It should be everywhere. What the [ __ ]

are you talking about? You want to eat

beautiful things like cows that are

sweet and kind. You want to eat ve but

you won't eat monsters. You should be

eating monsters. Monsters should be on

every menu. If you could get [ __ ] ve

scallopini at Italian restaurant, you

should be able to get monster dick soup.

They should sell that [ __ ] everywhere.

They should become our food. [ __ ] them.

[ __ ] sharks. But further to that point,

I would say then I was completely out of

my day. I've never felt more vulnerable

in that moment. The other the only other

time I felt vulnerable was um I broke

the record for the world's longest

non-stop river swim. So it was 510 km uh

60 hours all the way down the Yukon

River. We hit these uh the five finger

rapids at one point. Uh I basically kind

of just got thrown against rocks. Uh cut

up pretty bad.

>> So where does this start in the Yukon?

>> Yeah. Yes, it was a white horse to

Dawson. I hope I've got that the right

way round. Yeah. So you're Are you in

BC? Like where are you in

>> in

>> What is Yukon? Is it's Alaska?

>> No, no, no, no. Uh Canada.

>> Canada,

>> but it goes to Alaska. Yeah. If you

continue with the Yukon River, it will

eventually go to Alaska.

>> So does it come down? What part of

Canada does it come through?

>> Oh, that's a good question.

>> So it's cold as [ __ ] though is my point.

>> It's freezing.

>> And what time are you going there?

>> We went like

we went July.

>> So the Northwest Territories, that's

what they call it, right?

>> Yeah.

>> Is that what they call it?

>> Yeah. And we just it was it's just the

wild wild west out there. And I we we

took off like I said we started um

basically what was so so strange is for

the first 24 hours didn't see much in

the way of wildlife. I got thrown

against these white water rapids got hit

on the rocks and that's why the back of

my legs are still cut up now. And then

from that the the rules are no one can

touch you. You can't touch the boat. So

I'm like guys I can't stop. So I just

pull my leg out the water like this. And

as I do, blood is just dripping out the

end of my wets suit. Literally like

clockwork. As soon as that happened,

bears, wolves, everything. I said,

"What's happening?" And they said,

"Ross, they can smell the blood. You're

like an ice cream van. You're just

advertising yourself to all the wildlife

now in the Yukon."

>> Really?

>> Yeah. Again, now the black bears, fine.

As you know, they're they're skittish.

And it it was so for me, strange

Englishman, first time dealing with

bears. The black bears were looking just

like, "What are you? I don't know." a

bit skittish. The brown bears. No,

>> they look at you very different.

>> So,

>> they look right through you.

>> So different. They're just almost like

sitting there just kind of look and we

had, like I said, a boat full of people.

We had protection on there and stuff,

but it just didn't care. It was It was I

was so aware.

>> How big was the brown bear?

>> I I would have no as an Englishman who

has no experience that I've done it just

scarily big for me. Yeah, it was big.

Yeah. And I just carried on swimming. It

was interesting how it was almost like

it was looking going, "You're not a

salmon, but you're not a bear. I don't

know. I wonder if you're hungry." And I

just I carry on. So I turned to the

guys. I said, "Guys, am I okay? Am I

safe? Shall I keep swimming?"

Thankfully, one of the team turned

around. It wasn't even a gun. It was

like a cannon. And they said, "Ross,

don't worry. If it gets too close to

you, it'll end up in my freezer." I was

like, "Right, that's what I wanted to

hear." We just carried on.

>> Yeah, I know.

>> You know, um, statistically, you're more

likely to get killed by a black bear.

Well, no, that's not correct.

Statistically, when a black bear attacks

you, it's more likely in predation.

Whereas, when a brown bear attacks you,

it's more likely surprised and it's

defending itself. Or it's a mother with

her cubs, which is the most dangerous.

>> That's interesting.

>> Just like in real life, you [ __ ] with a

lady's kids, like you [ __ ] with if you

[ __ ] with a grizzly bear and you come

near its kids, they they are terrifying.

They run at you full clip. Mo most of

the times when dudes get attacked and

killed, that's that's where you [ __ ]

up.

>> You run into a 700 pound mama with her

babies and a a a jaw that could just

crush your head like a candy bar.

>> Like, [ __ ] you. Like, you you can't and

you can't run away from her and you

can't climb up a tree. You can't do

[ __ ]

>> And you just zigged when you should have

zagged and you got too close to her kids

and she doesn't want to take any

chances. So, you just became food.

>> Yeah. Why what was what was kind of

strange that's kind of it was so weird

going from the Yukon and then a year

later we did the Iceland swim and and

there were some of these old uh sort of

modern day Viking chiefs who basically

were explaining about the concept of a

berserker as well. Berserker obviously

just meaning bear shirt saying that

these berserkers these ancient Nordic

warriors would so often just try to

embody the spirit of the animal and

there was even the U of Huffner which

are

>> that's called bear shirts that's what

berserker means

>> yeah bear pelt bear shirt basically

>> that's what berserker means wow you

learn something new every day Jamie

>> so they would embody literally the

spirit of the animal like I said there

was almost from berserkers as well there

were almost like subcategories as well

so there were the I hope I'm pronouncing

it right Huffner

which were the wolf warriors and they

were Odin's chosen warriors there.

There's stories of them just running

into battle, no armor, basically naked,

painted, biting down onto their shields

as well and howling into the wind.

>> You know, they were also doing

mushrooms.

>> I know, right? Yeah, that was that was

one of the things about those fellas.

Berserker comes from the old Norse

berserker, most likely meaning bear

shirt, a warrior wearing a bear skin.

Exact etmology is disputed. An

alternative interpretation is bear shirt

referring to fighting without armor.

>> Huh. In plain English, it means a

frenzied warrior. But I guess you have

to be a pretty frenzied warrior to kill

a [ __ ] bear back then.

>> You know, there was no rifle, son. You

had to do it in an intimate fashion. If

you're going to kill a brown bear,

you're going to kill especially a male.

The ones in if you get to anywhere where

the salmon live, they get gigantic. M.

>> Which brought me to this terrible idea

that I had that I really shouldn't put

out there in the universe, but if you

wanted to have like the ultimate really

[ __ ] dangerous jackass stunt, you

would put these guys in salmon suits.

>> And make them swim.

>> Oh my god.

>> Through when those bears are like

catching those salmon that are going up

the waterfall

>> in those rivers where there's like nine

ten of them.

>> I would watch it.

>> Yeah. Put put the jackass guys. I

shouldn't have said it. I shouldn't have

said it cuz someone's going to take I

could see Steo calling his [ __ ]

costume designer right now.

>> It's so true. But it was so interesting

as well because again swimming around

Iceland you hear stories of berserkers.

You know the famous one of Stamford

Bridge.

>> No, this was an amazing story 1066 I

believe when the Norwegians were

invading England. Stamford Bridge the

Norwegians were retreating and as they

were there was just this one lone

berserker who just stood on the bridge

with a massive ax and was just taking

down just soldier after soldier. just

wave after wave and took them down.

Eventually, it was somebody who actually

went under the bridge and managed to

stab him from underneath. But it was

known as the Berserker of Stamford

Bridge.

>> Stab him from under the bridge. That's

how they got him.

>> Yeah, eventually. But he was just like

those guys in Iceland that win those

strongman competitions. Just imagine one

of those guys with a battle axe, you

know? Imagine like the mountain from

Game of Thrones with a giant wood and

steel, wood and iron [ __ ] huge shield

in front of him and an enormous battle

axe that you couldn't even pick up and

he's just hacking through people and

everyone's watching their friends die.

So, they're all in a panic and he's

covered in blood and he's 400 lb.

>> It's so true. And I think even as well,

I mean, I'm a huge fan of Gunnar Nelson

as well. You know, you look at the the

history of just Icelandic athletes,

warriors, and it's nuts.

>> Yeah. Did Gunnar beat Jeff Monson in an

absolute contest in Abu Dhabi? When

Gunner w Gunner fought in the UFC,

>> I only think he's fought as a

welterweight, correct? I think he's only

fought at 170. Jeff Monson's like 250.

Do you know who Jeff Monson is?

>> Yeah, of course.

>> He's a muscle. He's like a He's just

muscle. His whole [ __ ] body like his

his his shoulders start at his the top

of his head. He's [ __ ] enormous. And

Monson and the him, they went into an

absolute, which is there's no weight

classes in grappling. They still allow

that. And he beat him, which is [ __ ]

insane. That is crazy. But it traces

back to their culture as well. This is

one thing that I I loved when swimming

around Iceland that for instance um you

know the story of Odin and Ragnarok, do

you know? Yes. At the end where you

know, spoiler alert for those listening,

Odin knew he was going to die in

Ragnarok that the Norse apocalypse, but

ran in anyway. Uh, spoiler alert, he got

uh eaten by a giant wolf. But this is

what I loved that the Icelandic and

Nordic folklore is like, look, you can't

control fate. Everybody believed that

you were destined. That's already

written for you. But it's how you can

control your attitude towards it. And I

think that's the thing that I've

certainly found from Icelandic culture

that it doesn't matter if you are Gunner

Nelson going up against 250 lb monster,

you will just run into battle anyway.

Yeah.

>> You know, you that is your fate, but

it's choosing your attitude towards it.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Well, that's very attractive to

most people. Most most men, they wish

they could be like that. Damn, shows

like it's true.

>> It's why I mean, how many goddamn Viking

shows have there been so many Viking

shows and Viking move? Have you seen the

Northmen? That movie?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. And

quite accurate apparently as well.

>> Yeah, I bet it's accurate. Well, except

for the supernatural [ __ ] But again,

mushrooms. These guys are high as [ __ ]

all the time on psilocybin. Who knows

what they were saying? And they, you

know, they they that's what's

interesting is because like people

assume that mushrooms make you peaceful.

That's why the whole thing's so

confusing

>> because they really for most people they

make you like more connected to everyone

around you. But

>> possibly, but it's unproven. The idea is

that berserkers ate mushrooms before

battle is a popular theory, not an

established historical fact. There's no

solid archaeological or textual evidence

demonstrating drug use. Okay. So, what

is the what is the Oh, it's a e aminita

pascaria. But I've heard uh it also be

psilocybin. I've heard that being

proposed.

>> You know, it's in that that Viking show.

I think they Can you put that back up,

please? I think in the Viking show they

they talk about us or it looks like

they're eating psilocybin. It doesn't

look like Amanita. Amanita mascara is

like really obvious. It's a bright red

with white dots on it. It looks like

Santa Claus.

>> Um the red one with the white spots. Its

effects don't nearly explain the battle

fury. It can cause delirium, twitching,

drowsiness while violent aggression

isn't typical. Yeah, even the delirium,

twitching, and drowsiness. The problem

with this explanation is it's not really

known what ammonita mascaria does. It's

not like a a it's not a normal

psychedelic, and it also doesn't seem to

be as effective as it was at one point

in time. So the theory is like Terrence

McKenna's theory was that it's it's very

variable like a lot of things are like

peppers are very variable to in genetics

region and maybe even seasonally that

you had to like get these mushrooms from

a very specific area. You just like like

you want Cuban cigars. There's like some

mushrooms in a very specific area that

contained a much more potent version of

whatever they do to you,

>> you know, but it's unclear. The ammonita

mascar is like psilocybin is very clear.

Like no one eats that and goes, "Oh, I

don't see it." Like you eat the sil but

ammonita mascara it varies a lot. I've

heard people having insane experiences

on it and I myself tried it and it was

almost nothing. Did very little. It made

you feel weird.

>> But you're so right as well that mixed

with certainly being out in Iceland when

you hear stories of elves, trolls, you

know, all these things. And then when

you're out there, like I said, I started

the swim. I had a blot ceremony.

Basically just means that they blessed

my journey as I swam around Iceland. And

at the start they were talking about,

you know, the different realms of

Iceland as well. Um, do you know the

story about the the the different

guardians of Iceland?

>> What are the different guardians?

>> Oh, so basically the story goes that um

back in the day there was a a foreign

king who wanted to invade uh Iceland. So

he sent this sorcerer disguised as a

whale to see where they could attack

from. Went over to the west coast. There

was a huge bull that is representative

of strength and power. Said you can't

attack there. Went around to the north

coast. Over the north coast, huge eagle

that represents vision. Can see for

miles. It was like right you can't

attack there. East coast uh dragon realm

of the dragon. Basically dragons love

fast flowing water. So there's loads of

waterfalls. The east Icelandic current

guns down there. And then on the south

coast there was a massive giant as well.

Upon hearing this at the start during

the blot ceremony, I was like, "Okay,

that's a cool story." You get around the

top of Iceland and all of a sudden birds

are just coming down, divebombing me,

like you get over to the east coast and

you see some of the caves and the

waterfalls and I'm like, "Oh, for sure."

If you were on mushrooms, I can 100%

believe this. Yeah, it's amazing. And

even now as well, if you're in Iceland

and you see a road that is just like

inexplicably curved and goes around, I'm

like, "What what's happening there? That

that road makes no sense. it should just

be going straight. And with a completely

straight face, a lot of locals will say,

"That's going through the elves sacred

land. We had to build around it." And

I'll say, "What do you mean?" And they

said, "We were trying to build a road

and then inexplicably the machines broke

down. The bulldozer broke down. We got

some more in." So there's a lot of

people out there who still believe in

that. And I'm like, "Yeah, on mushrooms.

I can believe it."

>> Well, think about Do you know the

popular theory? There's a popular theory

that consciousness is rendered or rather

reality is rendered by consciousness and

that consciousness

renders reality much like a computer and

uh a 3D game engine renders a game.

>> So like if you're playing a game like

say if you're playing Halo, it doesn't

have to reg it doesn't have to render

all these maps that you're not in it.

It's only rendering the map that you're

in. Right.

>> Right. So as you go into the new maps,

then it starts to render it. So there's

legitimate physicists that are

entertaining the possibility that

reality is not concrete and that reality

is actually rendered by consciousness.

And here's my thought. I don't know if

this is accurate. I don't know if

they're right. I don't know if they're

wrong. It it's weird and it makes sense,

but reality doesn't make sense. Neither

does the fact the universe is infinite.

So let's put all that aside. And God

made us all in his image. Great. Let's

put that aside and just stop and think

about what is real. What is

consciousness capable of rendering when

it has access to science? It has access

to all these different university

courses you could take on biology and

evolution and the nature of the world

and what causes the tide and what makes

uh thunderstorms happen and all these

different things that we know now. Now

imagine if those things didn't exist

>> and all you have is just super

hyperfocused on nature primitive people

who have gods as an explanation for

everything and they're on mushrooms.

Like if if consciousness really does

render reality then well then the elves

are real, right? Cuz then cuz if you've

done enough mushrooms, you have

encountered an entity. You've

encountered something. It doesn't seem

like you're making it up. It seems like

it's there all the time, but you don't

have access to it. And then all a sudden

you're in front of it. And if you're in

a world where there's no explanations

for anything because no one knows how to

read, okay? You have a bunch of [ __ ]

weird grunts for your language.

>> You have extra consonants and [ __ ] and

all your words. like this is and they're

warrior people and you're on mushrooms

and you're respecting the elf land so

much so you move your road around

100%. But I I

>> THAT SOUNDS BETTER THAN TODAY.

>> NO, I AGREE. I agree. I love what you

said there as well cuz I remember at the

start of my swim I did a training swim.

I'm toweling down afterwards getting out

of my wets suit and this like old old

guy, this old fisherman just comes out

of nowhere. First thing he says to me

under the northern lights I'm looking

up. They're amazing. They've just

illuminated the entire sky. I'm like,

"Wow." Looking up and he just comes over

and just whispers in my ear and he just

said, "They're probably deciding if you

live or die." And I went, "Oh, excuse."

I went,

>> "Oh, boy."

>> I went, "I'm sorry. I'm

>> This [ __ ] keeps swimming for 60 hours

at a time. He wants to die. They

probably saw right through you.

>> This guy's crazy."

>> I said, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What did

you say?" He goes, "They're probably

deciding if you live or die." I said,

"You, please, you're going to have to

explain." He said that we believe that

in an ancient Nordic folklore that

basically the northern lights are the

Valkyries, Odin's female warriors, and

that is their shimmering shields and

their swords as they're riding through

the sky looking down at the fallen to

see who makes it back to Valhalla to

dine with Odin. And I was again at the

time I was like, "Oh, that's a bit off

key."

>> But then what a funny way to describe

it. 112 days later, we swim obviously

through the uh through the summer, so

there's less chance to see the northern

lights because you get 24 hours of

daylight. And then right at the very end

on the very very very last swim,

northern lights come up again. It was

weird. And I am on my back

just like

if as the Valkyries, if Odin is

listening, thank you so much.

>> Well, if you again, if you live back

then, you would think that your journey

is complete. And so at the end of the

video game, you get to see some cool

montage of scenes and and beautiful

sites. And I mean, that's what happens

in a movie. Like this is the end of the

movie.

>> You did it. That's what's weird about

reality. Like this idea that

consciousness is rendering reality.

>> Again, I really don't understand it. I

don't know if it's I don't even know if

it makes sense.

>> Oh, there we go. Yeah.

>> In Iceland, respect the elves or else.

Yeah, I'm respecting the [ __ ] out of

them elves. Okay.

>> This rock, they won't move.

>> I'm not touching that rock.

>> The elves don't want it moved.

>> Yeah, I think they're real, dude.

>> 100%.

>> I think they're real. I think you just

can't see them normally.

>> Uh, it said news crews tried to film the

rock and every time they tried to film

it like it wouldn't record something

like that.

>> Good. [ __ ] you. [ __ ] you. Fake news.

Fake news. Don't film the rock. Yeah.

The real news is there's [ __ ] elves

are real. They moved this. They moved

the road. True. Even TV crews say their

cameras failed to record anything when

pointed at the rock.

>> I bet I go over there and record the

[ __ ] out of it with my iPhone. [ __ ] you.

How is there a picture of it? [ __ ] off.

You got a guy working for you that's an

[ __ ] Doesn't know how to use the

He's probably got his tongue bit by a

cobra two days ago. The guy's tripping

balls.

>> [ __ ] off.

>> Yeah. Well, that not that that might

have been a different rock.

>> It's just fun. It's look fun. Like

whoever the guy was saying they're

deciding whether you live or die, he's

having fun.

>> Oh, it's a good time. Who is that guy?

It was just an old fisherman.

>> Yeah, that old fisherman was [ __ ]

with this cocky jacked British guy. He's

looking at you like, "Fuck you in your

six-pack. The elves are going to kill

you."

>> Odin, you know [ __ ] with you. That

guy was [ __ ] with you 100%.

>> Odin describes He disguises himself as

an old man.

>> Or he's an [ __ ] He's an old

fisherman. He's [ __ ] drunk every

night. He's tired of life. He sees his

beautiful young Englishman with a

[ __ ] manly beard and a six-pack just

looking jacked, ready to swim for days.

He's like, "Fuck you. The elves are

going to kill you."

>> That's he wanted you to be nervous. He's

like, "This [ __ ] dork. [ __ ] him."

>> 80%.

>> In a survey, 80 over 80% of the

respondents refused to deny the

existence of elves.

>> Wow.

>> And 8% were certain they existed.

>> Well, those guys are dangerous. The 80%

were certain. Those are dangerous

people. Those are religious fanatics.

Put that back up, please. Those guys,

they can't be trusted. How the [ __ ] do

you know? It's all about respect for

nature, which is something Icelanders

know is very much alive. I agree with

that. Said gunnel. What a what an

Iceland name. Guy's name is Gunnel.

>> But when your house can be destroyed by

an earthquake, when you could be blown

over by the wind, when boiling water

from your taps tells you there's lava

not far beneath your feet, then you

don't mess with nature. Holy [ __ ] They

get boiling water from their taps

sometimes.

>> Yeah.

>> What the [ __ ] man?

>> Can you imagine going to sleep? You know

that there's so much lava underneath

your house that water is boiling coming

out of your tap. You're like, "Good

night."

>> No deal.

>> I wonder what's on Real Housewives of

Beverly Hills. You [ __ ] sitting there

staring at Kim Kardashian and

No Way. Caitlyn Jenner is on TV. Oh,

they're all together again. All this

[ __ ] lava under your feet. But that's

Icelandic people. They're just hard as

nails. I said this. It's like it's just

a country that's trying to kill you.

When we were there actually at the very

end. So I I basically I made it back by

3 days for the birth of my first child.

>> Congratulations.

>> Thank you so much. That's awesome.

>> Oh yeah.

>> That's a life changer, huh?

>> It was amazing. Yeah, it was. But but at

the end, for instance, so so my

girlfriend, she's amazing. We've been

together for 13 years. And the the

basically the University of Iceland

said, "Look, if you can collect Edna

samples, environmental DNA samples

around the coast of Iceland, we can

track biodiversity in a level of detail

we've never seen before." So we had them

on board, we had sponsors on board, we

had a boat on board,

>> and then we found out we were pregnant.

So I was like, "Oh."

>> So you know,

>> in America, we frown upon that we are

pregnant.

>> Oh, really? We frowned upon that.

>> She's pregnant.

>> Yeah, she's pregnant. You're definitely

not pregnant.

>> You definitely are pregnant. She's

pregnant.

>> And when I say in America, I mean me.

I frown upon that kind of talk.

>> She's pregnant.

>> Yeah,

>> she uh she's amazing. She just said,

"Look, you know, go, but you need to

make it back." So, we had that hard

>> that's a good thing to say. You need to

live.

>> You need to survive.

>> You're about to have a baby. Don't swim

for 60 days, you [ __ ] [ __ ] You

have responsibilities.

>> Oh, I know. But I think, and I've heard

you talk about, you know, fatherhood and

stuff, it it invoked something in me, a

level of motivation that I've never

experienced before. It was just at the

end. So we got caught in uh Hurricane

Erin was coming through the Atlantic. So

that was over the east coast. We had a

100 miles to finish. And in Grinder,

there was a volcano going off that had

poisonous gas. So we couldn't get too

close to that as well. Inhale that

you're dead. And then here there was one

of Europe's largest glaciers that just

sent shards of ice as big as this table.

And at night, you just couldn't see it.

You're just hitting them.

>> Oh my god.

>> The team was like, "Look, Ross, I'm so

sorry. We're going to be here for two

weeks." And I was like, "No, no, no. I'm

I'm so sorry. I need I need to get

back." You know, and it was that that

form of motivation at the end just

knowing you had that hard deadline that

I just I jellyfish coming off my face,

tongue falling off from saltwater

exposure. It didn't matter. I was like,

I'm not not being back for the birth of

my son. And I made it back, like I said,

by 3 days.

>> Wow.

>> Yeah. It got But it got nuts.

>> Well, it's very it's a very primal

feeling. It it ignites something in you

that does not exist in people that don't

have children. I don't think I don't

think I mean I I am very careful about

this. I do not think you have to have

children. I don't like to shame people

that don't want to have kids. I don't

like shame people people who never had

kids. I don't think it's I think you can

be a wonderful person and contribute to

the world without children.

>> But I could just say for me it changed

who I am. It changed it changed me in a

in a very profound way. And I always

bring up this Dave Chappelle quote, so I

apologize to people who've heard it

before, but he said something very

profound once in the parking lot of the

comedy store. He said, "Not only did

having children change the amount of

love that I have," he goes, "it changed

my capacity for love."

>> I love that.

>> Yeah. And it did that for me. And it

also did for me this other very profound

thing where it made me stop looking at

people as a static thing. When I met if

I met a guy and he's 40 and he's an

[ __ ] I'm like, "Fuck that guy. He's

a [ __ ] asshole." I don't think that

way anymore. Now, I mean, sometimes I

do. is if I'm short-tempered, if I'm in

a bad mood, if I'm t, you know, I'm in a

rush, under stress, I can have slips,

I'm not perfect at this, but when I'm at

peace, I look at that guy as a baby.

That's a baby. That's someone's little

boy. And [ __ ] didn't go well for him.

There was a series of either bad

decisions or bad experiences or bad

parenting or bad judgment or bad luck.

And now here he is, just a [ __ ] mess.

And that's why I have a hard time seeing

homeless people. It it it genuinely

bothers me. I never see homeless people

and I'm I go [ __ ] that guy. I will go

[ __ ] that guy if they're like getting

close to my kids and they're being

aggressive and they're schizophrenic.

>> But most of the time I think that that

was somebody's baby. That's somebody's

baby.

>> I'm exactly the same. It completely

changes. It changes your like

biochemistry. I was talking to Huberman

about this and I I really hormonally I

felt I was I was always a bit selfish, a

bit single-minded in my swims and stuff.

As soon as he arrived, I was like that

that's it. Everything changes. It was

crazy. I I I think as well it was it was

strange for me because I I lost my dad

as well four years ago and then I was

becoming a dad myself. So the Iceland

swim sort of existed in this strange

world between the two. Um and that was

like really sort of big for me. I I even

said you know in my new book I talk

about how it's it's kind of this idea

that um the swim was almost a tribute to

everything that my dad had taught me but

equally a letter to my future son you

know and I hope that they look at that

and go okay yeah all the values and

everything that I was taught. Well, just

living the way you live, just by example

would be an insane role model for your

kid. I mean, you're a very unusual

person. Your your will is very odd. You

know, the your the ability to do those

kind of things I respect greatly. I

don't want to do it. I think it's

[ __ ] but I respect I respect it

greatly. You know, I'm good friends with

Cameron Haynes, and you know, he runs a

lot of these like really insane 200, 300

mile races

>> and uh I respect it. I don't think it's

good for you. I But I get what he's

doing. He's trying to find out where his

breaking point is. You know, he's trying

to push himself to his breaking point.

>> That is exactly

>> And I admire that greatly cuz that is a

noble quest. Whether or not you think

it's smart, I don't I don't think it's

smart, but but I don't want to do it.

But it is a noble quest. It is a an

absolutely noble quest. And he is

different than me. We are all different.

And everyone has this thing in their

head that they need to sort out. And

sometimes the way you sort it out is by

doing something that's [ __ ] insanely

hard to find out who you really are.

>> I think that's

>> and I think I like to do it a little bit

every day. That's my method. My method

is do a little bit every day. When I say

a little bit, like couple hours, that's

what I like. Couple hours of torture

every day. Find out who I am. And when I

take a few days off, I get nervous. I

get confused. Who am I? I don't know. I

don't know if I could do this anymore.

You know what I mean? You know those

feelings? I'm sure you even get those as

many times if you if you take a few

weeks off working out

>> and you start working out again. You're

like, "Oh my god, am I really going to

put myself through this again?"

>> It's so true,

>> right? Am I really going to go swim for

6 days again? What the [ __ ] is wrong

with me?

>> You know, so true. But I was chatting to

Hubman about this cuz I I was just I'm

so aware that my dopamine system

probably works a little bit differently,

you know, in that someone says, "Oh,

let's go do a you know, 24-hour swim." I

go and then they go, "Oh, 3 days past

bears." I'm like, "Okay, hold my beer.

I'm in. And I think that's what's so

weird. But but and I know you and

Hoopman spoke about with your anterior

midsulate cortex. And that's the only

way that I can actually for me it was so

interesting chatting to to him because

in my head when your tongue is falling

off or or you know you're just chafing

cellulitis. I I think of it like

weighing scales and you kind of got grit

or quit pain and purpose. And at any

point the anterior midsulate cortex that

part of your brain is just weighing them

up. And for me, you just need as much

pain as it is, you just need to outweigh

it with enough purpose.

>> You do that, you'll continue. If not,

and I think it's so I mean, I love the

UFC. There are certain fighters who if

you did a scan, 100% their anterior mids

singular cortex would just be like this.

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I was going to bring this up earlier.

One of the fighters got pulled from a

card a few years back. I can't remember

when, but it was because of uh exactly

what you were talking about like

creatine levels in his blood. And I was

like, "What?" I was confused at the

time. I didn't know like what that

meant. I was like, "What? Creatine? What

does that mean? Took too much creatine?"

Like, "No, his body is so broken down

from training. It's not safe for him to

fight." Like, how's that possible? Like,

how does somebody show up at the actual

fight day blown out? Junior Dos Santos,

fighting is worth the health risk

because it's everything to me. Was it

Junior?

>> Wow.

>> He got pulled from a fight.

>> It said CK down here.

>> Yeah. So I think there you go. Rabdomyis

breaking down. Yeah.

>> Muscle fiber treatable.

>> Oh, but I don't think that he got pulled

from the fight. I think this is just

what happened to him in that fight. So

that fight

>> was I believe.

>> So he had two fights with well he had

three fights with Kane Velasquez. Kane

Velasquez has the greatest cardio of any

heavyweight that ever lived. They used

to call him Cardio Kane. It was a freaky

gift that he had. And it was also his

understanding of management of cardio

was incredible. He never threw anything

full blast. Everything was like 60 70%

but with perfect technique and he would

just never get tired. Like never get

tired. And the first fight Junior Dos

Santos caught him with a big right hand

and knocked him out. It was on Fox. It

was a big deal. Then they have this

rematch. In the rematch, Kane's healthy.

The first fight he went into with a

blown out knee and his knee wrapped up.

He [ __ ] up his meniscus like in

training. And then in the second fight,

he's fully healthy and he mauls Junior

dos San Hantos and it's a war. It's a

five round crazy war where it looks like

they're both gonna well it looks like

Junior's gonna die. It looks like he's

going to die and then he does it again

in the second fight. They have a third

fight rather second rematch. The second

rematch the same same sort of result.

Kane just mauls him. Like Kane was just

Kane was on a completely different level

to everybody else when it came to

cardio. guys would get this thousand

yard stare in the second round like I

can't do this for five rounds. I can't I

can't keep this guy off me. It's

impossible.

>> And so if he got rabbedo from that

fight, I would not be surprised though.

I I bet a lot of fighters get rabbedo

after the fights

>> cuz some of those fights they're on

death's [ __ ] door. They're on death's

door.

>> I think one of the worst got to be Lola

McDonald, right?

>> Oh my god. Oh my god. one of the one of

the craziest life or death fights in the

history of the sport.

>> And

>> and they stared each other down in the

final round.

>> I know. They're staring each other down

and blood is pouring out of both of

their faces. Robbie's lip is split

halfway open. The whole thing was not

the end of it. When I was interviewing

him, half of his lip is like open like a

slice of pie.

>> It's [ __ ] insane. And he's saying how

he's never going to quit. and I'm going

to keep coming and keep coming and I'm

never going to stop. And I was like,

"Holy shit." This guy just got through

five rounds of the most violent [ __ ]

ever. Look at the two of them just

staring each other down.

>> It was unbelievable.

>> Like,

>> yeah.

>> Life or death. Like they got they got to

to the death store and it Rory when he

collapsed, it's like his nose had been

shattered and the pain was just

overwhelmed his brain. His body shut off

and he just collapsed. He couldn't

couldn't take it anymore. It was crazy,

too. Yeah. When they're staring at each

other before the final round like

[ __ ]

>> Is that the worst?

>> Look at Robbie screaming in the crowd

with his arms up.

>> So, what I think is going on there,

there's a few I think there's like

stress induced analesia. The way that

like an injured animal will bite off its

arm to get out of a trap that must be

going on. So, just pain suppression,

norepinephrine, everything.

>> There's a there's also some [ __ ]

genetics. Robbie Law's got some caveman

jeans, son.

>> Pardon me. He's got some warrior jeans.

That dude, that's in his DNA. I've been

watching that kid fight since he was 20

years old. He's a [ __ ] savage. Like a

savage to the core. One of the greatest

knockouts in the history of the sport

happened when Robbie was fighting up a

division. So he he was fighting this guy

Melvin Manhof. And Melvin Manhof is a

kickboxer, a very high level kickboxer

who came out of Mike's gym in Amsterdam.

Mike's gym in Amsterdam is legendary.

produced Bhari.

Uh there's like a a a series of like

wicked kickboxers came out of Mike's gym

and Melvin Manov sort of epitomized that

style. They were hyper aggressive and

Melvin is built like you. Like look at

him.

>> Oh my god.

>> So Melvin in this fight, Melvin is

chewing up Robbiey's legs. He keeps leg

kicking them. I mean he's punishing his

legs. Melvin was so fast and so

powerful. and they get in the exchange

and boom, Robbie hits him with one punch

and knocks him out. If you and he's just

out cold like look at they zoom in on

his face. He's just he's in the shadow

realm right now. But if you go to

earlier in the fight like what Melvin

was doing to him, it was a crazy

comeback. Like go earlier in the fight.

Melvin is all over him. I mean he's so

dangerous and so fast.

Like Melvin was putting him in really

bad spots. He kept rocking him. And when

you talk about like highlevel

kickboxers, Melvin was elite. I mean,

like perfect technique, ridiculous power

and athleticism and just a warrior

spirit just attack you from the he would

come out for his fights with a dog

collar on. But he had like a spike dog

collar and be dancing getting ready for

his fights. Terrifying human being.

>> He's he's scary. I think going back to

the Berserker, um, there's such a

parallel between him and Alex Pereira,

you know, that idea like with the Jaguar

style, you know, embodying the spirit of

an animal. I mean, I don't know about

Melvin, I would be terrified if I if I

was in the cage and I saw Pereira

walking out.

>> Well, do you know the the team, the

Fighting Nerds,

>> of course. Yeah. So, the head dude, uh,

I can't I'm blanking on his name, but I

was just watching this video about, uh,

uh, Carlos Prates, who is one of my

all-time favorites right now in in the

UFC in the welterweight division. And

one of the things they were talking

about is how he has his fighters mimic

animals

>> and he studies animals and animals

fighting to the death online, and that

it's all about controlling the space.

Like you they they gave an example of

the mongoose and the cobra. And it's not

that the mongoose is faster than the

cobra or more deadly than the cobra.

It's the mongoose is a master of

controlling space. The mongoose is like

fainting. Like as he's coming into the

cobra he's like moving in a little bit.

Yeah. Pablo. Pablo is a brilliant guy

and he's the one I mean they really are

nerds. Like they really do like data

analytics and they study all moves that

work and moves that don't work and what

happens at what percentage of time. like

he's got a very datadriven approach to

MMA training, but also like super

open-minded cuz he's like considering

animal movements.

>> That's amazing.

>> Yeah. And the things that he was talking

about was monguses and cobras. And they

had this example and it shows like these

monguses. They're essentially like

juking with the cobra. They're fainting.

They're trying to get the cobra to react

and they move back when the cobra reacts

and they sl but they're they're trying

to draw this cobra in and get a sense of

what the cobra's distance is.

>> That's crazy.

>> And all of his fighters, particularly

Carlos, is a master at controlling

distance. He's always pressing forward

and then when you come at him, he slides

away and he's pressing forward and it's

always you're always in danger. You're

constantly in danger. So, you're always

like on the defensive and you're trying

to get some offense and it doesn't work

and then you're back on the defense.

Masterful.

>> That's fascinating. Yeah.

>> I think it's almost lost. It was the

17th century writer, English writer,

wasn't it? Samuel Johnson,

>> who said, "Become a beast to get rid of

the pain of being a man."

>> And I think so often we've lost that.

Certainly for me when swimming in many

ways, I was very much inspired by the

shark. You know, when I was swimming,

very much like the berserker, the bear.

And I think some of the best athletes,

like I said, I love Pereira and his

jaguar style, you know, both feet on the

floor, so constantly generating power.

But yeah, Samuel Johnson, become a beast

to get rid of the pain of being a man.

Love that quote.

>> That's a great quote and very applicable

definitely. But for most people, like

the the journey, the path is just too

daunting.

>> Just the idea of it is just, oh, what am

I going to do?

>> Want to start out a beginner and just

get humiliated all the time. [ __ ] that.

It's just like doesn't seem fun at all,

you know? And they don't want to do it.

And so then they'll dismiss it and talk

and then it becomes toxic masculinity

which is adorable.

>> That was adorable.

>> I think I think also what's what I found

so interesting is again I was trying to

h about this but the the different parts

of the brain. So your vententral

striatum the part of the brain that's

almost um involved in expectation reward

and reality. So so to use a fighting

example when things are going well for a

fighter what's happening the vententral

strumm is going okay I've done this and

that and I'm winning. It's prime Conor

McGregor. It's prime Anderson Silva,

it's modern-day Ilia Tapura. You know

that everything's going well. But as

soon as that goes wrong, something goes

wrong, all of a sudden dopamine

plummets, vententral stratum goes,

"Okay, that behavior is now not

working." And I think it's been so

interesting seeing fighters. The same

with it when when I'm swimming, I can

get caught in a countercurren. There's

been times where I swim and they go,

"Ross, you got to swim for 4 hours to

swim out of this massive whirlpool." I

swim for 4 hours, head down, head down

like that. My alarm goes off. I look at

my watch. I go, "Guys, how far have we

swam?" And they go, "Ross, you you've

been swimming on the same spot. You've

not moved. You just been swimming on the

same spot for four hours." And I think

it's interesting that that it's not just

losing, it's actually like the brain,

the biochemistry just implodes. And I

think you kind of saw that. Like I said,

I think

>> what happened in your mind when you

found out you were in the same spot for

4 hours.

>> I mean, it's like I said, it's not just

a loss understanding the neuroscience of

it. basically the vententral stratitum

going this isn't working dopamine is no

longer released all of a sudden it is

just like a dark biochemical cloud and

when you understand that you can start

to try to process out of it

>> how'd you get out of that

>> I'm glad you asked there's another part

of the brain as well called the

dorsolateral prefrontal cortex and

that's involved in strategy so

essentially when you are completely

losing vententral stratum goes this

isn't working so when I'm swimming

tongue's falling off neck chafing

cellulitis vententral central strumm

this is not working and then you've got

two options again this is an

oversimplification but in my head this

is how I basically um map it out

anterior mids singular cortex grit or

quit pain and purpose discipline you

just do it because you said you were

going to do it you just grit your teeth

and get through it or dorsolateral

prefrontal cortex over here which is

more strategy and sometimes you can just

completely reframe what you're doing you

can change technique and everything as

well when you're swimming but sometimes

just reframing that suffering you know a

great man said be the hero of your movie

and I think um looking at the hero's

journey as well um I think that's so

interesting where Joseph Campbell talks

about that idea of just kind of the the

hero slaying your dragon innermost cave

battling. So I think sometimes that

strategy is just reframing your

suffering when you're constantly losing

>> and how long did it take you to get out

of that whirlpool?

>> I think we were we were there for most

of that day. most of that day and then

with the tide because basically over the

top of Iceland it's like a giant bay so

you get counterurrens whirlpools and

eventually with everything that's

happening you'll eventually be able to

swim out of it

>> eventually.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. But you can

>> Yeah.

>> Jamie's dead

in me.

>> I'm dead too, [ __ ] I'm dead too,

[ __ ]

>> How How much can you swim? Can you swim

good?

>> Yeah.

>> Come on. I don't I mean what's What do

you mean? You mean like in a [ __ ]

whirlpool in the middle of the ocean,

dog? It's 20° out.

>> I could probably hand I don't know how

strong of an under. I've never been.

>> I'd be dead in 15 minutes. In 15

minutes, I'm underwater

>> in the ocean. I could probably save

someone.

>> You could save someone

>> depending on the waves.

>> J, you know who saved somebody? Greg

Simmons.

>> Did you ever hear that story? Didn't he

tell it on the podcast?

>> Yeah.

>> I wouldn't go out though. I wouldn't

test my

>> Some lady was on vacation. Some lady was

drowning. He jumped in the water and

rescued her.

>> Oh,

>> yeah. Yeah. She was offshore and I guess

the riptide caught her

>> and uh Greg risked his [ __ ] life.

Went out there and grabbed her and

helped her.

>> What a legend.

>> Legend. I was like, "Damn, dude." I'm

like, "Did you think at one point?"

Because his family was there, too. He's

on vacation. I was like, "Do you think

that maybe you wouldn't be able to make

it back? Did you worry about that?" He's

like, "Yeah,

>> cuz it's crazy. People don't

understand." Like certainly on

>> drowning people are dangerous.

>> Yeah. because they'll hold on to you and

you won't be able to like get them to

relax

>> and then they won't let go of you and

then you're both drowning.

>> Exactly. It's in ICE on the south coast.

It's called Rainers Foda. It's

considered like literally one of the

most dangerous beaches in the world and

they have these sneaker waves that just

come from nowhere and we were there and

I think it was a family. I think it was

a little girl who lost her life. But

witnessing it as well, there were so

many tourists who thought it was fun to

run up as close as they could and as the

waves crash over, they get a selfie and

they run. And I was like, I don't I

don't want to be like, oh, here we go.

What the [ __ ] dude? That's like some

[ __ ] right out of Lord of the Rings.

Look at that. That doesn't even look

real.

>> That looks like Mordor.

>> The sneaker waves from there. They will

come from nowhere and they would just

absolutely Yeah.

>> [ __ ] you.

>> There you see the tourists there.

>> I don't go anywhere near that [ __ ] [ __ ]

you.

>> Oh, there you go. Yeah. So, you would

have tourists when we were there and I

felt I was so conflicted cuz I was I was

like, look, I don't want to be a killjoy

or anything. There's people taking

pictures while sitting on those rocks

and then you just saw massive waves. We

left and then an hour later we saw

helicopters overhead. We heard

ambulances and we we knew the worst.

>> Yeah, you can die. You can die doing

that. That is a guy who was a WWE

wrestler died a few years ago.

>> He got caught in a a rip a rip tide,

right? Is that what happened to him?

>> That's what I was thinking of was I was

saying like I think that was like on

Venice Beach or Santa Monica.

>> I think you're right. I think it was in

Venice. Yeah, man. It's [ __ ]

terrifying. If you don't know how to

swim, the ocean is a monster, man.

>> Oh, yeah. Even on on certain parts as

well, when you get wind over tide,

that's the worst. The tides going one

way, wind's going the other, and we get

what's called the overfalls. And

swimming over there, it was nuts.

There's the waves. They're not rolling

anymore. They're detonating. That's the

only way I can describe it. It's just

going off around you. And when you're

swimming in there as well, what's

happening underneath is all the

jellyfish are just getting smashed on

the rocks. So, as you're swimming,

jellyfish tentacles are literally going

up your nose, in your ear. You're

inhaling them as well.

>> Oh, great. That's got to be good for

you.

>> Jellyfish can [ __ ] you up, too.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> They'll sting the [ __ ] out of you,

especially the wrong ones.

>> The ones in Iceland are all right, but I

think after you take maybe like five or

six, they start attacking your lymph

nodes. You start scratching under your

armpits or over your groin. My youngest

daughter got u a little bit just a touch

from a jellyfish in Costa Rica

>> and oh my god it was horrible. She was

in agony. It was terrible. And they keep

like stuff on the beach that you pour on

them cuz it happens so often

>> and people get zapped by jelly. It's not

they're not dangerous. They don't kill

you but they [ __ ] hurt like hell.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Dude, the the ocean itself is just like

the like what's interesting about all

those people in that photograph that's

in that video that are watching and

standing. Isn't it fascinating how

people are drawn to that abyss? They're

drawn to the the majesty of that water,

just the vastness of it. There's

something about that that I think is

really good for people. I I think it's

one of the reason why people like going

to the ocean and sitting on the beach. I

think there's something about that that

just calms people the [ __ ] down because

it puts you into perspective. It's like,

"Hey, [ __ ] look out at all that

[ __ ] water, okay? You can't live in

any of that." All right? You are so

nothing. And that's why I think beach

towns are so chill.

>> Like beach towns are not like like why

is uh downtown Manhattan so [ __ ] you.

Everybody's like hyped up.

>> It's because they're surrounded by

people created [ __ ] If you you're just

standing there staring at the vastness

of the ocean. You're like, "All right,

relax." And then at night time you see

the stars, too. You see the [ __ ]

Milky Way and then there's the ocean.

Like, all right, this is clearly I'm not

that important.

>> 100%.

>> I'm barely anything.

>> 100%. And like we said with Iceland with

some mushrooms under the northern light,

>> especially on the last day of your swim.

It's like the universe letting you know

you did it. You you completed your

journey. [ __ ] bananas, man.

>> This is exactly it. But I love what you

said there as well. I mean, certainly on

the swim, it was so interesting.

Sometime I I tried to swim with

gratitude as much as I can. you know,

swim with a smile and you're just

grateful to be there because I I love

David Gogggins and I've tried his form

of motivation where it's, you know, man

up, grit your teeth, get through this.

But for for me personally, after, you

know, a 100 days, I can't keep calling

myself a [ __ ] I'm just like, oh, have

a day off.

>> Listen, David is a very unique

character.

>> I don't know anybody like him, and I

don't recommend it. I don't recommend

you becoming him. Good [ __ ] luck. You

have to have that demon inside of you

like that guy does. He's a sweetheart of

a guy though. I love him to death.

>> But that dude, that fire ain't going

out.

>> He's 50 years old. That fire is not

going out. He does things where people

aren't watching. That's what's crazy

about David. It's not all these like

things where people get to see. It's not

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. He calls

it being in the lab. Like every day he's

doing it. Like, dude, every day he's out

there running 20 miles. He runs with a

weight vest on. He he gets in from that.

He does weights. He does chin-ups and

push-ups. Like, it's not it doesn't

stop. It doesn't end.

>> And then the next day, it's another

thing. It's another [ __ ] insane

thing. And it never ends. And no one's

watching.

>> No one's watching. It's not being

documented. He's he's just doing it. And

then every now and then, he'll go out

and run some [ __ ] 200 mile race and

everybody's like, "What the [ __ ] man?"

Like, what are And he's also got no

knees. His knees are completely blown

apart. He's got bone on bone on both of

his [ __ ] knees. He's had multiple

operations where they had to actually

his bone had grown so [ __ ] up that

they had to chop his [ __ ] leg in half

and pull it down so they could make it

level because the the bone it's it's

like called what is it called? Wolf

syndrome or some [ __ ] where you're they

grind against each other. So your body

tries to protect itself by building

extra bone and when it builds it it

[ __ ] up the geometry of the knees. They

don't work correctly. So then you're

running like bone on bone with [ __ ] up

geometry and you get back pain, all

kinds of. So he had his [ __ ] knee

sawed off and and shifted downward and

then screwed into place and you know

what he did? He just got on a [ __ ]

bicycle and he started using a bicycle

then and so he's [ __ ] indoor cycling

all day for five six hours.

>> I had something actually. Yeah,

subocchocchromial decompression with my

shoulder, which um so often

weightlifterss will get it, but they

said we've never really seen it in a

swimmer, but it was exactly the same. I

needed to have the the bone shaved down

to make room again.

>> Holy [ __ ]

>> Yeah. Yeah, that was that the left

shoulder. The right's always been fine,

though.

>> So, when they shaved down the bone, did

they have to Is your cartilage okay or

>> Yeah, cartilage was fine. And it was,

you know, and just the bone keyhole.

Yeah, just there. Yeah, just went in,

shaved down the bone. And I was

>> How much bone did they shave down?

>> A good amount. Yeah. And after

>> Did you get like a little cup of it to

save? I should have asked, shouldn't I?

>> Should save that.

>> But I I love what you said there as well

because I just think Gogggins taps into

something that that so few people want

to almost address. Carl Young talked

about it with your shadow self. You

know, that part of your psyche that you

don't want to reveal to the world. Are

you aggressive, jealous, hyper

competitive? Um, again, it was it was

nature, wasn't it? Whoever fights

monsters should see to it that they too

don't become a monster. If you stare

into the abyss too long, the abyss will

stare back into you.

>> Yeah. And I think that's what Gogins

does brilliantly or Jordan Peterson as

well. You know, the the problem isn't

having a monster, it's making sure you

can't put it back in the cage.

>> Yeah.

>> And I think that's what Gogggins does so

well. And I did take inspiration from

that on certain swims as well where uh

you know, reading a few comments online,

people go, "He's never going to do this

swim. He's too big to be a swimmer. This

is going to fail badly."

>> That is the weird thing about you

though, like most endurance athletes

aren't that heavily muscled.

>> Yeah.

>> You know what I mean? That is very odd

when I've show pictures of you to my

friends and I like I talk about people

who have done crazy [ __ ] and I've

detailed some of the insane things

you've done, some of the insane swims

and they're like, "How is he doing that

when it's that jacked?" I'm like, "That

is weird, right?" Yeah. I think there's

a few different things to unpack. So, so

the first is you just need bulk. So,

going back to biomimicry, I we're

talking about that a lot now, but I

think what's so interesting is I want to

become more whalike. You know, I I think

absolutely you look at a pool swimmer,

they are poetic in the water. They're

amazing. They look like dolphins, a

makeo shark. That would be useless for

me when caught in an arctic storm. So, I

need

>> strength,

>> strength and bulk. Yeah, muscle mass

being thermic. So, I can generate heat

with every single movement. Um, but

equally on top of that, I think it's

also really interesting that through my

strength training, it's called met

mechano transduction just basically

means people think of strength training

as improving the the strength of the

muscles, but it's connective tissue,

ligaments and tendons that respond to

that mechanical stimuli. So, for me,

when swimming, I need the connective

tissue. My my the tendons in my rotator

cuff need to be bulletproof because

that's what's going to give up. This

this swim isn't going to stop because of

my V2 or lactic threshold. It's going to

stop because something tears, right?

>> So, that's why being like this, I'm I'm

not as fast, but I sacrifice that for

being more physically robust.

>> That makes sense.

>> And I think finally, this is something

as well which is really interesting at

the moment. So, I'm a huge fan of Cam

Makavoy, the 50 m world record holder

for freestyle, and he's just rewritten

the rule book on swimming. Basically,

there's a direct correlation between

your one rep max on pull-ups and your

swim sprint speed. And he's really

>> Yeah. Really real strong correlation.

So, he's now basically doing one rep max

with pull-ups with 80, 90 kilos and just

speed reps as well, Joe. Just ripping.

And you see what he's done. He's He's

barely swimming in terms of

>> 90 kilos.

>> Yeah, he's an absolute savage.

>> Isn't that like 185 lbs or some [ __ ]

What is that?

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's on his Instagram

recently did it with 80. He's he's an

absolute spe.

>> And how many how many chin-ups is he

doing that way?

>> I think he was doing about three. He's

an absolute specimen. Yeah. And watch.

So that's that's swimming. That's that's

sprinting. So obviously that's that's

not endurance. But taking inspiration

from that, you have what's called your

strength reserve. So, strength reserve

just basically means if you are capable

of doing a pull-up with 100 kilos, that

means your own body weight is a

basically a smaller percentage of what

you're capable of. Here we go.

>> Is that him? There he goes.

>> Uh 80 kilos.

>> That's insane. And what is it? What is

it, Jamie? Did we figure out what that

is?

>> I mean, I'll ask my phone.

>> It's 2.2. So, it's like 176, I think.

>> What is 80 kg in pounds?

>> But look how

>> Yeah, 176. That's crazy.

>> He's amazing.

>> And he's completely rewritten the rule

books when it comes to swims. Like I

said, 50 um world record holder at the

moment. Oh,

>> that's crazy. He's doing that.

>> Three sets of five with 50 kg. And so

this is just to generate strength for

the sprinting.

>> Exactly. That you think about it, if

your one rep max on pull-ups is so good,

every single stroke is almost like a

unilateral, a single lit limb pull down.

So he's just ripping through the water

like that. But what's been really

interesting is traditionally you used to

just swim for miles and miles. It was

almost we call it like uh garbage

yardage that you just swimming swimming

swimming. He was swimming sometimes in

his sets like 800 m which is my warm up

but it was just all flat out. So he's

revolutionized swimming. So that's

sprinting. But what I taken from it,

like I said, your strength reserve,

basically, if you're capable of a huge

one rep max on pull-ups, it means that

every single stroke that you take is a

smaller percentage of what you're

capable of. I think the best example I

can think of like this is a good friend

of mine, Eddie Hall, uh, World Strong's

man, first guy to deadlift 500 kilos.

Uh, he entered a CrossFit competition

and there was a particular wad. It was

60 kilos. There's a brilliant video if

you've seen it, Jamie, but there's it's

60 kilos and you see these CrossFitters,

they're upped overhead and it's a clean

and it's a beautiful push press, but

because Eddie is so strong and he's got

such a big strength reserve, he

basically, as you're about to see now,

just I mean, that's a front delt raise

mixed with a row. You see what that's

crazy? If you don't know, that is so

much harder to do it that way. 60 kilos.

I believe 60 kilos. And so, like I said,

the CrossFitters, perfect technique.

They clean it to the chest and then they

are bending their knees and they are

[ __ ] ain't even touching his chest.

That's crazy.

>> It's a front delt raise kind of with a

rope.

>> That's literally insane. If you don't

know, that's literally insane.

>> But my point here is I mean Eddie's an

absolute specimen, but my point here is

is he doesn't train for this. This is

completely he doesn't this isn't his

>> clearly cuz he doesn't do that movement

at all. If he did that movement, he

wouldn't be doing it that way.

>> But he's got an immense strength

reserve. And so that's my point, dude.

>> Actually, he broke the record.

>> That is so insane. That's so insane that

he did that that way. Now watch a

regular crossfitter do it. Can you show

a regular crossfitter do it?

>> It's not on this video.

>> Regular, but you can find it. Regular

crossfitters, they catch it on their

chest.

>> Is Exactly.

>> And then they step back

>> as a poetic technique. And so that

that's my point. So, coming back to the

the swimming that as strong as I get

when I'm strength training, it just

means that every single stroke over the

Arctic Circle is a smaller fraction of

what I'm capable of.

>> That makes sense. That makes sense. And

then you have to be able to have that

fine line between endurance and bulk

>> is exactly.

>> So, muscular endurance and you know, but

also having strength

>> is exactly it. I think also what was

really interesting, an MRI scan

revealed, so you have slow twitch fibers

that are very resistance to fatigue.

They're your ultramarathon runners. Then

you have your fast twitch fibers that

are sprint speed power and and what was

so strange is on my MRI they said Ross

you have an unusual proportion of fast

oxidative glycolytic fibers. So they're

basically in between the two. They're

able to produce a lot of force but

they're very resistance to fatigue as

well.

>> Is that cultivated?

>> Interesting. They said I think I had a

genetic predisposition for that but with

the amount of training I've done I've

also nurtured it.

>> Interesting. How do they know that you

have a genetic predisposition for it if

they didn't examine you before you

started all this training?

>> It was all theory. Yeah, they said

>> that's my question is I wonder how much

of it is adaptable. Wonder of how much

of what we say, oh, he has a genetic

advantage. Like are we sure

>> or or did this guy's body change because

of necessity?

>> It made intuitive sense when

>> what would you call that? A clean press?

>> The what Eddie Hall did?

>> Uh

no, it's there's a

>> it's part of a workout called the

Isabel. I just thank you.

>> It's called the Isabella itself.

>> So this is Noah Olsen who's an absolute

specimen by the way competed in more

>> catching it and then using his legs to

to complete it. So he's doing it.

Awesome. This is perfect technique. Look

at that. Catching it.

>> Oh, so they're not catching it on their

chest and pressing.

>> It's like a snatch press kind of

something.

>> Okay. So he's So it's called the

Isabella. But do you see the rest I

suppose between sets compared to the

right the the delus and and like I said

no is a good friend. He's an absolute

specimen.

>> What is uh what is the term wad? What

does that stand for again?

>> Of the day.

>> There you go.

>> What is it? Workout of the day of the

day.

>> And e-oms is uh reps per minute, right?

>> Isn't that what it is?

>> Where are we? Is it

>> okay? So this workout of the day is a

whole bunch of these.

>> Oh, 30 snatches. I think this one's

different. Actually, it might be

different.

Well, the I did the Eddie it said that

he he did that particular Isabelle

benchmark workout in 50 seconds. So, I

think that's

>> I mean that's just what I'm going off

of. I was trying to find

>> interesting if it's something different.

My bad. But

>> no, but yeah. But it does illustrate

>> interesting. Uh beating the previous

male record previously associated with

figures like Rich Froing, but Rich

Froing is like way smaller than him,

>> which is crazy

>> that he could do that cuz it's the same

weight, right?

>> Is it the same weight they're all using?

Yeah. Yeah. It will be 60. Yeah.

>> That's even nuts that Rich Froin could

do that with cuz I don't think his body

weight is anywhere even close to that.

>> Eddie Hall's 300 plus pounds, right?

He's got a bit leaner now as well.

>> Yeah, he he's getting smaller. Well,

he's done some MMA fights and [ __ ]

>> Yeah. With Tommy as well. Did you see he

went the distance as well with Tommy

Fury boxing?

>> Yes. Crazy.

>> I think they both won that fight. It was

amazing in that, you know. Yeah. No one

expected him to go that far. You know

what I was really impressed with when he

had a boxing match with the mountain.

And what I was really impressed with was

The Mountain. I never say his name

correctly. How do you say his name?

>> Thor Bjönson, I believe.

>> Bjönson. Bjönson.

>> Thor Bjönson. Yeah.

>> He didn't use his strength. Like he was

throwing punches like with perfect

technique. He was throwing punches like

a boxer. like he learned how to whoever

trained him,

>> they did an amazing job because the guys

obviously got ridiculous power, but he

he he's like throwing punches correctly

and he dropped Eddie Hall a few times

whereas Eddie Hall is just winging at

him with the these wild power shots.

Thor is moving around him and look, see

how he's throwing his technique. It's

very clean, man. Even his jab,

>> look at that. It's he's not

overextending. M

>> I mean he clearly is like a new boxer

but a very good athlete and is figuring

out how to use his his technique and and

recognize that the power is always going

to be there cuz he's so [ __ ] huge.

>> He dropped him a few times in that at

least once in that fight.

>> I find that amazing when sometimes like

the laws of martial arts sometimes need

to be slightly bent for people that

size. You know again having rolled with

certain people like they you get an arm

bar and they just stand up with you.

>> Yeah. Well that's a problem. Like

there's certain techn Marcelo Garcia who

was the giant killer. He famously would

just go for necks like because he felt

like a kamura like he obviously he knew

how to use a kamura. He's a very high

level black belt. One of the greatest

grapplers of all time if not the

greatest. And Marcelo never hit Kamuras.

He would just get necks. So he became a

neck specialist. So his whole thing was

high elbow guillotine and rear naked

choke. If you got your back you're

[ __ ] And that was what how he was

able to defeat much larger opponents

because you can't really defend. If he

can get that rear neaked choke around

your neck and stop the blood to your

brain,

>> that's it. You go to sleep. Like you you

can not tap. If someone gets you an arm

bar, you can allow your arm to get

broken. And I've seen it happen a lot of

times. But what you can't do is stop a

guy from choking you unconscious. And so

Marcelo being as smart as he is and

being a small guy, he's like 160 pounds,

he just figured, okay, I'll just get

everybody's neck. And he just became a

neck specialist. I love what you said

there as well because I I often think,

you know, the best athletes are the best

at doing what they do best. And what I

mean by that, whether it's ultramarathon

running, whether it is CrossFit, World's

Strongest Man, it doesn't matter. You

lean into what you're really good at.

You sort of kabib wrestling, uh, you

know, Pereira striking.

>> Sure.

>> It's just you just drill what you're

really good at. I think for me, swimming

certainly that's what I've sort of honed

in on. I'm like, look, I'm not going to

be built like Michael Phelps. don't have

this poetic nice stroke, but what I can

do is just get crazy strong for a

endurance athlete. So, my strength

reserve is so much bigger

>> and do something really insane like

swimming for three [ __ ] days.

>> Exactly.

>> That's the thing is like most of these

guys are just not going to be willing to

do that. They're willing to do a race

because in a race you just go all out

and you know it only lasts for a few

seconds and when it's over it's over.

>> You know,

>> yeah,

>> you do that and you can turn around the

the shore's right there. Like you you

have to keep going. you have many days

in front of you and that's just a

completely different thing.

>> You know, I think that's it because I've

always I was brought up with my my dad

and my granddad telling me stories one

of athletes but two, you know, the

heroic age of Antarctic exploration when

Admonson Robert Falcon Scott Shackleton

were trying to get to the South Pole and

you know about the Robert Robert Falcon

Scott and Admonson the the contrast in

what they did

>> you know with Admonson just Norwegian

efficiency to get to the South Pole.

turns up. He's learned so much from

those indigenous in the Arctic. Uh

learned about dogs. All of the crew were

gifted in cross-country skiing. In

comparison, the the British guy, Robert

Falcon Scott, brought ponies that fell

through the ice, mechanical sleds that

broke down, tinned food, terrible.

>> What was so interesting as they got

there, Admonson even knew as he got to

the South Pole, he had a certain amount

of dogs,

>> and then on the way back, he knew he

could start systematically eating the

dogs on the way back. Whereas the

British, Robert Falcon, Scott, refused

to do that. They were just handling,

manhandling all of their sleds. And when

they got there to the South Pole, they

saw the Norwegian flag there already.

Then were forced to trek back. And I

mean, one of the most harrowing, it was

Lawrence Oats, um, whose foot was, you

know, badly injured and he just knew

that he was holding up the team. And

then famously, as they were caught in a

in a blizzard, he just turned to the

team and just said, "Gentlemen, I'm

going for a short walk. I might be a

while." And he just walked to his death

to try to make sure that his team made

it. Oh my god.

>> And they didn't. They didn't

unfortunately. Yeah.

>> And I think it's that idea of kind of

like,

>> you know, civilization and survival. You

know, you have to go to a a strange

place sometimes to actually make it. And

I think that's that was almost the

appeal for my career in inverted commas,

if you could call it.

>> Well, that's the appeal to people that

are watching for sure. that you're

clearly going to some strange place

where you could die,

>> you know, and that's why people like

watching your what would you call I

almost said stunts, but that's

disrespectful. No,

>> I say but they're not stunts. They're,

you know, journeys.

>> Yeah, they they are. Yeah, they in some

ways when we're we're a noble way of

saying

>> I appreciate that, but no, right? It it

is I always say they're almost these

sporting spectacles that we use as a

Trojan horse to deliver ocean

conservation. So, I don't mind stunt at

all. that you're doing that. Yeah. I

mean, obviously that's good, you know. I

mean, I I think that there's one area of

the world that we really are

disrespecting and that's our oceans. And

when I say that, I mean,

>> we can't keep pulling fish out at the

rate we're doing.

>> It's nuts. If you talk to fishermen and

if you talk like the people that have

done surveys and the obviously the ocean

is enormous, it's very hard to

understand, but the the middle of it is

not where everything is. Most of the

life on the ocean is near the shores and

or at least reasonably close to the

shores.

90 [ __ ] percent of all big fish

aren't in the ocean anymore. Like all

these tuna men that used to fish tuna

way back in the day and catch thousands.

It's a lot less now. It's and no one is

even thinking about it. And you know,

there's regulations that some countries

have on the way they're allowed to fish,

but some countries don't follow any of

those [ __ ] regulations.

>> You know, I mean, it's and what we've

done to the, you know, fun fact, this is

how Somalians became pirates.

>> So, Somalians became pirates because

they were fishermen. And they were all

just fishermen. They were just peaceful

fishermen living in Somalia. And these

uh different countries were dumping

toxic waste off their shore and it was

killing all the fish. And so they first

started kidnapping these people who were

dumping these boats filled with toxic

sludge or whatever the [ __ ] they were

dumping nuclear waste, whatever they're

dumping into the ocean and demanding a

ransom because these people have caused

them so much loss because the their fish

are all dead. And then they thought

about it and said, "Well, [ __ ] this. Why

don't we just kidnap people?" And so

that became their new sport.

So the fish are all dead and they were

on that what is that stuff called? Cat.

>> Is that what it's called? So there's a

there's a narcotic that they take called

cat. And it's a a leaf that you chew. Is

a nut. Is it a nut?

>> No, it's a leaf. I thought

>> it's a leaf. Um whatever it is, it's uh

something that you chew that gives you

like an amphetamine like state like look

at me. I'm the captain now. Like that's

that's cat. You [ __ ] You're messed

up. You weigh 80 pounds. You've been up

for seven days and now you're kidnapping

people. And so that's that's literally

Somalia's history. So when you look at

like the Somalian scams that are

happening in America and you look at

like the stuff that's going on in

Minnesota, like what how do all these

Somalians get involved in all these

scams? It all goes back to Europeans

poisoning their water.

>> Wow.

>> Yep. Yeah,

>> Russian I think I think Russian poison.

I don't know. I don't want to blame any

countries, but someone was dumping toxic

waste in their water and that's what

started all off. That's true, right? I

think they called themselves the

People's Coast Guard of Somalia. That's

how they started it off.

>> Wow. I know.

>> They don't have a long history of

pirates. They're not like like

Blackbeard or any [ __ ] like that. This

is a fairly recent and human history uh

turn for their culture and it probably

led to a lot of other criminal activity

if you think about it. Like if the the

core nature of your civilization gets

shut off, the core nature is you're a

fisherman, right? You you live in a

village, you all catch fish, that's what

you live off of. All that gets shut

down. People go into desperation mode.

People start taking cat. They're

probably taking cat already. But they

they they're doing amphetamines. And

then they're kidnapping folks. Next

thing you know, you're getting machine

guns. You get all that money. Now you

got a [ __ ] you got carbines.

>> You got a 50 cal.

>> Is that cat legal? Can I take that when

I'm water tested or

>> I don't think it is.

>> Oh,

>> I think it's I think it's uh is legal.

>> I don't know what it is in America. We

probably have it schedule one. House

Somalian fishermen became pirates.

>> It's a little old. It's 2009. This

mostly just says that once they lost

their government, uh it became a

free-for-all. Right here,

>> stealing all their

>> I think that was part of it as well.

>> Fishermen just kind of got pissed.

>> I think that was part of it as well, but

I think there was an aspect of it about

poisoning the water. at I'm sure it

probably came up later because this is

still 2009. This is right right when it

was kicking off really

>> at this time when this article was

written. It said they had 18 cargo ships

being held.

>> Okay, this is but see I think this is

everything had already started to fall

apart and I think it started to fall

apart when the fish went away. If I

remember correctly, this was quite a

long time ago I read this. But see if

you can put it into perplexity. Say uh

is there a connection between uh Somali

pirates and offshore dumping of toxic

waste that led to depleting of their

fishing grounds?

>> I didn't ask that exact question. I just

asked what was the reason they started

taking ransoms.

>> Um but see if that factors in see if it

says that if you say was there uh an

aspect of it where they were kidnapping

people who had poisoned their water.

kidnapping people who poisoned their

water.

Isn't AI wonderful? I know it's going to

kill us all. Not necessarily. People

they kidnap were not all people poison

the water, right? But initially,

there were serious reports and

allegations of foreign companies dumping

hazardous waste off of Somalia. However,

a UN environmental OCHA account said two

years earlier, UN fact-checking missions

found no evidence. probably because the

UN was dumping

and its post tsunami inquiries did not

identify specific dumping sites. So,

they were kidnapping people, poisoning

their water is much more definitive than

the evidence supports. Yeah, I don't

know if we know

um the problem with AI it's pulling from

all these different sources online.

Yeah, maybe the story I read was biased

as well, but the story that I well I

read was sort of a sympathetic take on

why there's so many uh pirates. I don't

not sympathetic, but an understanding

take like they're saying like you need

to understand that this is a chain of

consequences,

>> a chain of events that took place. And

one of those things was people dump like

for sure someone's dump toxic [ __ ] into

the ocean. We know they do that. And so

it doesn't seem that far of a stretch to

imagine that that initially started off

uh a crash in their economy if their

fishing lands were fishing poisoned.

>> Go and try and sort it out. I'll do a

swim there.

>> Don't do that.

>> Yeah. Swim and dress up like a dollar

bill.

>> I think I could either there or what?

Straight up on

>> a gold boat. Get yourself in a gold boat

and put a sign that says we have no guns

and go have fun.

>> That would be amazing. I re asked and it

gave a different answer.

>> Yes, some Somali pirates explicitly

describe their attacks as retaliation

for toxic waste dumping, not just

illegal fishing. Uh, previous answer

understated the reporting behind that

claim, but it does not established that

the crews they kidnapped themselves

dumping waste. Right. They probably just

found people offshore and said, "You

were dumping. I'm the captain now." In

two Okay. Uh, 2008 pirate spokesman. Oh,

they have a spokesman. I wonder if he

was elected. I wonder how he became

spokesman. You think he had a campaign?

You think people had like signs on their

lawn? Elect Joanna Ali Jama for

spokesman of the pirates described a

ransom demand as a way uh of reacting to

the toxic waste has been continually

dumped on the shores of our country for

nearly 20 years. Oh [ __ ] 20 years is a

long [ __ ] time. But I I believe that

the report connected that claim to the

captured MV Fina, a Ukrainian ship

carrying tanks and military equipment,

not a vessel identified in the report as

a dumping waste. But what a great ship

to bust. Imagine you get a [ __ ] a

boat that's got tanks and military

equipment. Now you got yourself a

[ __ ] army, dog. Environmental

accusations weren't solely a private

invention. In that reporting, UN envoy

Boy, say that guy's name. Oh,

>> help me out.

>> No,

>> I'm not even going to attempt that one.

>> Almadu Aloudude Abdala said the UN had

reliable information that European and

Asian companies were dumping toxic waste

off Somalia. UNP spokesman Nick Natal

described Som Somalia as a hazardous

waste dumping ground, but said

insecurity prevented a proper scientific

assessment of the problems con extent.

Listen, man. People love to dump [ __ ] in

the ocean, these [ __ ] [ __ ] Like,

you know, you remember when that kid got

killed in Egypt? He was at a resort in

Egypt and he got killed by a shark.

>> I think I saw the video.

>> It's a horrible video cuz he's screaming

for his father.

>> He's screaming for his father.

>> Mhm.

>> So, what we had uh heard and we looked

into it. It's not conclusive, but it

seems like they were dumping sheep

carcasses in the ocean.

>> Like when they had sheep carcasses, they

didn't want them just laying around

rotting. So they put them in a boat,

take them out to sea and dump them in

the water. So what did that attract?

>> What do you think that

sharks?

>> And so then these sharks were in that

area

>> and people there was a really beautiful

resort. People go take their families,

go on vacation in a [ __ ] monster

soup.

>> Monster soup right out there. I tell

you, make [ __ ] soup out of their

dicks. Take pull them out of the water.

Serve it up. We need to go back to

sharks fin soup. These [ __ ] people

think sharks are their friends.

>> Do I So So do I need to swim Somalia and

sort that out then?

>> I don't think you do. I think you should

probably stay out of that. Maybe that'll

be the one that kills you.

>> No.

>> Whatever the [ __ ] is in that water,

whatever the 20 years of toxic dumping,

that's not good. You don't want that in

your skin.

>> No deal. No deal.

>> Yeah. Going back to the cardio, I wanted

to ask your opinion on this. Uh best

cardio in the UFC or MMA actually in

history.

>> Oh boy.

>> I'm going to go I'm going to put some up

there. Morab.

>> Morab is probably

>> Bisping.

>> Yeah, Bisping had phenomenal cardio.

Bisping would melt people. I remember

his fight with J Jason Mayhem Miller who

was very talented.

>> Yeah,

>> Bisping just melted him. Just his pace

was insane.

>> Nick Diaz.

>> Nick Diaz. Insane pace. Y

>> Nate Diaz also also incredible cardio.

Yeah,

>> there's a lot of these guys now. It's

like it's we're we're in a realm now of

of athletes. Joshua Van, insane cardio.

Insane cardio. Joshua Van, who's the

flyweight champ in the fifth round,

fights like he's in the first round.

Insane. The level now is is is at an

all-time high.

>> But that's why Kane Velasquez was so

weird because it just didn't make sense.

Didn't make sense. Demetrius Johnson and

the smaller guys, you just kind of like

Yeah. Yeah. You're not inhibited by

gravity the same way. But with Kane

Velasquez, you were like that just you

shouldn't you should be able to do that.

>> DC told me Kane would take a couple

months off of training like he had an

injury, had to take time off of

training, come back three months later,

[ __ ] everybody up at the gym. He said in

cardio drills. He said it was nuts. Oh,

>> that was nuts. He said his his base was

just just insanity. Meanwhile, he lost

the title to Fabricio Verdoom in Mexico

City at altitude because he was only

there for 2 weeks.

>> And Fabricio Verdum, he got a place to

train in the mountains above Mexico

City. So, Fabricio was living at like I

think it was like 9,000 plus feet above

sea level and training up there.

>> And so, he had phenomenal cardio. And

Kane actually gassed out in that fight

and Fabricio caught him in a guillotine

to win the title.

>> I remember. Yeah.

>> Yeah, man. That was a big moment because

nobody had ever not just beaten Kane

that way, but beating Kane with like

where Kane was tired

>> like you never saw Kane tired.

>> It just shows you that altitude training

is [ __ ] critical, man. If you want to

compete at altitude, I was showing you

the uh hypoxia chamber that we have

here, the Exalt uh I think it's called

the Exalt XP hypoxia trainer. It is so

hard to work out at altitude, but if you

can do it, I did it in preparation for

this uh hunt that I did in Utah. And so

I did it for two months and I was very

rigorous. I was very regular. I was

doing two really hard cardio workouts

inside that thing a week. That's all

they recommend. They said, "Don't do

more than that cuz you'll get to a point

where you can't recover." Like you want

two, maybe three once you've built up,

but I never got to three. Made a giant

difference. Giant difference. Like I

could really cuz I go to the same place

every year and at the highest point it's

probably 9,000 ft. At sometimes you're

at 5,000 7,000 but you know you're

walking up like very steep loose dirt at

5,000 7,000 ft. It's hard. It's really

hard. So, so was you could feel it

physiologically

hemoglobin. You could feel

>> I could feel that I had more gas. 100%.

Amazing.

>> Yeah. A big difference. Big difference.

>> And uh I only got to do it for two

months. And now I'm thinking I'm getting

ready for next September. I'm like, if I

can do it for a whole year, if I could

do that twice a week for a year, that'll

make a giant difference by the time

September rolls around.

>> 100%. I think that's going to change a

lot of the way I think that particular

type of training when you're training at

like that machine can crank you up to

above 20,000 ft above sea level. I've

only done 14 I've done 145. That's the

highest I've done. It's it's insanity.

There's no air in there, man. There's no

[ __ ] air in there. And you're doing

sprints on the air dye machine. You're

doing sprints on the treadmill and and

doing kettle bell swings. And it's like

when you get out of there, man, it's

like your body gets this rush of oxygen

like

As soon as you open the door, you're

like, "Oh my god." But then once you

recover from it, the next time it's a

little bit easier, and the next time

it's a little bit easier. It's like you

feel your body adapting cuz it's like,

"Oh [ __ ] we got to do this." So in a

realworld scenario like what we are

here, like what is the sea level here?

What's the altitude here?

>> 500 600 ft.

>> Nothing. It's nothing. You feel like

there's so much [ __ ] air you can run

through a building. That's what it feels

like. And I think that's a gamecher. And

so many of these like really high level

camps have chosen to train at altitude.

>> You know, you have a bunch of them have

done obviously the Dagistanis, they

train I I don't know what what is

Dagistan what is uh Dagistan above sea

level. I got it's in the mountains.

>> Yeah.

>> I got to say they're probably 4,500

5,000 ft.

>> You know, obviously they have the

Olympic training center in Colorado

Springs. I think that's above 5,000 ft,

>> you know, and

They have actually both they go they

have they have areas below sea level

>> that are down by the Caspian coast and

they have mountain peaks that

average elevation is 500 meters though.

>> Interesting.

>> So it's like 1500 600 feet.

>> Yeah. Max is max is what?

>> That's a peak. That's a mountain peak is

14,000.

>> Max is 14,000. But these some of these

mountain towns like where Kabib is.

Where's he at?

>> I know they do runs. They do runs at

altitude,

>> you know, as does like the guys in

Denver

>> in a high spot.

>> What's that?

>> 2,000 meters above. So 6,500 or so

>> where he is.

>> Okay. So he's pretty high. Mountain

>> village 6 6,000 ft is high.

>> So if if you're training at that

altitude, that's that's akin to Colorado

Springs or a lot of these places,

>> you know. Um Justin Gate's coach, Trevor

Whitman, he has a lot of his guys, they

do runs in the mountains. They do these

runs uphill of the mountains and

>> unlimited water as well. There's some

good stuff now around dehydration

training.

>> That's Justin's big thing. He will not

drink water while he's training.

>> Control dehydration. Yeah.

>> Oh Jesus.

>> Could be up there.

>> That's that view is insane.

>> So there there is a this is a weird

story. I've got um there is a method

that could make you a faster runner. Um

and I'm going to apologize now. This is

a little bit left field, but I was in

Namibia. I was um learning from the sand

bushman out there. We were How do you

organize that?

>> Yeah. Oh, was a a documentary

>> through WhatsApp.

>> Yeah. Can I come?

>> So, we are out there doing like a

marathon a day. We for the entire week,

barely any water. It was horrible.

>> One particular guy out there and they're

amazing. They're just gliding across the

sand basically as well. I'm just like

heavy running trying to keep up with

them. And there was one particular guy

in the tribe as well who was um could

trace his ancestry back to the Kurigin

tribes. Did you know about the Kurigan

tribe?

>> No.

>> So, it's basically an ethnic group

specific to Kenya. You are Oh, you you

already smashed yours. I'm still working

on mine.

>> Let's get

>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Silly talking

[ __ ] Let's go. Sorry.

>> So, basically, um, Curigen tribe ethnic

groups specific to Kenya produce, uh,

more amazing marathon runners than

anywhere else. It's disproportionate

just how good they are with this

particular group of people. Um, and as

we're sitting around the campfire, they

turned to me and they said, uh, this guy

goes, Ross, do you know why we're so

good? Do you know why the Kurs are so

good at running? And I said, altitude.

And he went, nope. And I was like,

barefoot running. of beautiful

biomechanics. Nope.

>> Circumcision.

>> Oh, you know it.

>> Yeah. And crawling crawling through

needles.

>> Oh, you know it.

>> Crawling through thorns.

>> You're right. And they but but with the

mud as well.

>> Yeah.

>> And they don't pass on. Yeah. So it's

>> the circumcision as a grown boy with uh

no no nothing. No water, no cleanliness,

no no anesthesia. Just they cut it. I

think they use a knife, right? Or a

sharp rock. Well, the the the the theory

goes that he was saying that basically

with the circumcision, you're basically

as a young man in front of the entire

tribe, they all come out and they put

clay like mud on your face and so you

have to like just sit there and then

basically the guy takes the chief of the

tribe takes your tackle and then with

essentially a tackle. I like that.

Takes your tackle, circumcise you, you

cannot flinch. If you flinch and the mud

cracks, all of a sudden in the tribe,

everyone will be like, "Ah, he's not

very desirable." So, you don't basically

find a girl. you don't have kids and

only those where the mud doesn't crack,

they're considered desirable and they

pass on their genetics. So, generation

after generation, you're passing on this

pain tolerance and in the end you end up

cur tribe just unbelievable runners.

Yeah. I mean, he looked across and said,

"Ross, do you want to be faster?" Pulled

out a knife and I was like, "I'm good."

>> Yeah. What if you're already

circumcised? What is he going to do?

Take it back an inch? [ __ ] dude.

>> Yeah. What does he do then? Like I want

in, but the problem is they did me when

I was a kid.

>> I didn't want to ask.

>> Didn't even help. I didn't have to crawl

through thorns. Nothing.

>> Yeah. You have to crawl through thorns

with your bloody dick.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> And you can't winse. Can't make any

noise.

>> That's the whole point. Yeah. And then

you can't react to the pain.

>> Those who don't react considered

desirable. They pass on their genetics a

generation after generation. You just

get this incredible

>> Are you going to show me a video, Jamie?

How dare you?

>> I just paused. I just But that's what

they look like. Put the mud on their

faces, I think. Oh boy.

>> Getting ready.

>> Some lady talking about it.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. Fun times.

>> And then you just got to remain there.

>> All that just to run.

>> Yeah. One of my

>> I hope somebody beats him that doesn't

do that.

>> Well, it's funny you said that actually.

So, do you know about um Emil Zatipek?

>> No.

>> Oh my god. This guy, he the greatest

endurance runner in my opinion to ever

exist. He's amazing. So, so basically to

this day, no one's ever done what he did

at the Olympics. Helsinki Olympics. won

the 5,000, won the 10,000, and then

turned to his coach and he just went,

"Um, I think I will run marathon

tomorrow." And his coach was like, "No,

no, no. Look, this is a terrible idea.

You should not run the marathon. It's

completely different events, you know,

over twice as far, Emil, this is a

terrible uh an idea." And he turns and

Emil just goes, "Who who is the

favorite?" And it was a British guy. So,

it was the British guy. He's he's

everybody thinks he's going to win. And

Emil goes, "Okay, no problem. What I do,

I will run on his shoulder and then just

at the end before we get into stadium, I

go boop and I run around and I will

finish. And the coach is like, "Please,

Emil, this is just, you've got two gold

medals. Please, let's just leave it

there." And he goes, "No, no, no, no.

This documentary is amazing." It then

cuts to the British guy who's older and

he's recounting this this entire race.

And he says, "I am uh I'm running and uh

things are going well." And then I I

feel on my shoulder I feel this this

Emil just pops up on my shoulder. And a

meal turns to me, he goes, "I um I'm so

sorry. I've never run marathon before.

Um so I don't know if this too fast or

too slow." And I thought to myself, "You

[ __ ] I'm going to mess with you. I'm

going to mess with your head." So I

turned and I said, "No, no, no. This is

far too slow. We're in trouble."

Thinking that would break in a meal just

turned and went, "No problem. I will see

you at finish line." And ran and won.

Three gold medals, Helsinki Olympics.

The reason I tell that story as well is

not many people know. But his training,

next time you're down an athletics

track, he used to do 100 400 meter

sprints.

>> What?

>> Yeah. A sprint marathon. A day. Yeah.

Well, not a day, but but his he

pioneered interval training. People

didn't think you could train that hard.

There he is.

>> Wow.

>> Look. And what I love as well is how he

ran. He ran like he'd been shot in the

leg. That's not a meal. He was just

There he is. There he is. So, he runs

like he's been shot. Ugly technique.

Bad. Yeah. This And again, I think this

is the marathon. This is after he's

already won the 5,000 and the 10,000.

And here he is. He

>> He looks like he's in agony.

>> Yeah. Yeah. So, and the story goes with

that as well. And this is what I love.

So, with somebody like him,

100 400 meter sprints, but his his wife

was an amazing javelin thrower as well.

So, date night for them is they'd go out

and his wife would just like launch the

javelin and he would go and get it like

a dog and then come back

and be like, "Here you go, babe." She'd

be like, "Thanks, babe." and just

hilarious.

>> He used to uh run with his wife on his

back through the woods and then

sometimes when he wasn't able to run

because it was snowing too much or

condition wouldn't allow uh famously he

would get in the bath and just basically

just tread on on dirty laundry as well

just to try to just as well. So Emil

Zatipekc to your point I always find it

fascinating that sometimes when you talk

about people who are you know I've been

training so hard I've sacrificed so much

I'm like yeah that's great but I don't

want to go against an Emil Zatipek

someone who just loves it someone who

just date night is running out their

intervals bringing back

>> well have you heard of that race they do

where it's a race until everyone else

drops out

>> of course backyard ultras.

>> Yeah but it's there there can only be

one one person can win. Oh yeah. Yeah.

That's amazing. You must I think Chris

Williamson was talking about you a

mutual friend of ours talking about Mark

Dael who was just basically like hunting

and like just stalking the competition

and it was called the last soul ultra.

And so Mark Dow when this guy stopped

like tie his shoelace Mark was behind

him and just hunting him like prey and

they had them on the the night vision

and they're like what is going on? It's

just mind games.

>> And so one person eventually doesn't

quit.

>> Exactly.

>> Everybody else quits.

>> Yeah. Exactly.

>> How long did they go?

>> These go I think there's the current

record I swear somebody did something

like 91 hours.

>> Yeah. It's just it's just nuts. It's

just nuts. I swear. Yeah. Oh my god.

Recent I think it was Phil Jamie if you

find it. But he he recently Yeah.

>> Oh yeah. Go Mark. That's when he won the

last Ultra.

>> 95 laps 636.5

km.

>> The man

>> last soul ultra. Oh my god. He but he

talks about it as well. What I love is

he talks about actually collecting their

souls. So So at the end you're basically

given a trinket which has got

everybody's soul on it and he's there

like some

>> ancient warrior holding it

>> in a way is kind of right. He ran for 94

straight hours without sleep to win the

Last Soul Ultra. 94 hours is crazy.

>> Like what was he seeing? What was he

seeing at hour 92? How many elves did he

come into contact with? For sure he saw

elves. For sure.

>> For sure.

>> There he is.

>> There's him on Loop 72.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh my god. And the thing about him too

is he's kind of a bigger guy. I believe

his background was lacrosse as well. So

he weight trains, which goes back to

what I was talking about before about

mechano transduction, strength reserve

that you're that you'd say that doesn't

make sense for an ultra endurance

athlete. Again, I would argue that his

biomechanics are just perfect and they

won't break down compared to somebody

who doesn't have that strength

background.

>> Um, so they're actually Yes, the there's

a backyard ultra. He's actually doing it

at the moment, I think. I'm

>> 94 hours.

>> Oh, that was an update from now.

>> What's that?

>> That video I just played was right.

>> Yeah, they're doing it now. So, I think

it's Team America.

>> Oh, it's happening right now.

>> On Loop 54 right now or this one two

hours ago

>> and he's just on social media just

talking through everything as well.

>> Loop 54. How many days ago was that?

>> This is 20 hours. 20 hours right now. I

was at noon.

>> He talked about like on the first 24

hours he's just like that's just your

ticket. You know that just gets you in

the race. It's now it begins and that's

after 24 hours.

>> Oh my god.

>> What a legend.

>> Oh my god.

>> Yeah. I think and also

>> 24 hours. It's crazy.

>> It's nuts. It's nut. I mean for me on

some of my swims as well just those

hallucinations like when they start like

probably one of my worst was Loch Ness

and that was before everything went

really bad. Loch Ness is basically

really narrow. Um and when you look up

at night it looked like there was loads

of trees but the trees almost formed the

silhouette of uh like a cruise ship. I

remember being like that's really weird.

I'm eating a banana and I'm looking up

and all of a sudden the branches start

waving and to me at the time I was like

it looks like people have come to the

side of the cruise ship to support me.

So my girlfriend's watching and all the

crew and I'm just there eating a banana

and I'm going guys thank you so much

your support means especially 2:00 in

the morning. God bless you guys. Thank

you like that. And my girlfriend's like

oh he's he's talking to the trees like

he's thanking them for their support.

>> So sometimes Oh you go. Yeah. That's

when he's tying his

>> That's when he's stalking him.

>> He's just waiting behind him.

>> He's like, "What are you doing?" And

>> what I love, it's all mind games at this

point.

>> Not going anywhere.

>> Wow.

>> I think the reason I love Mark as well

is because he's bringing a level of

gamesmanship and mind games that that

wasn't really seen in Ultra Endurance,

>> right? They're all supposed to be super

supportive of each other.

>> Exactly. And I think you see it in other

sports as well.

>> Yeah. But you can't be super supportive

if there's only going to be one person

standing.

>> Exactly. Exactly. I mean, one of my

favorite examples in in MMA was uh uh

Yuri and Pereira where they were talking

about no shamanic ritual.

>> And I'm like, look, whatever

>> Yuri was saying, don't use any voodoo,

please.

>> Don't use any magic.

>> I thought this is the greatest time in

the UFC when someone's going, "You're

not allowed to use magic.

>> I want a clean fight. No magic."

>> It's amazing. I mean, on that note, who

do you think is the best at mind games

in UFC history? Chaos son be

>> Chelson's really good, but Conor

McGregor's pretty damn good, too.

>> Conor McGregor when he fought Jos Aldo,

he had Jose Aldo in a funk because Aldo

was a legend and he was respected by

everyone and Connor was just continually

disrespecting him

>> and just mocking him. He stole his belt

famously at the press conference.

>> He was in his [ __ ] head,

>> you know. But obviously that backfired

against Kabib because that [ __ ] didn't

work on Kabib. Kabib was on top of him.

Punched him in the face saying, "Let's

talk now. Let's talk now." He just

punched him in the face. Let's talk now.

>> And Conor was trying to say, "It's only

business." He's like, "Come on, we're

talking."

>> This is what I find so strange that if

aliens came down to this world and you

had to explain to them like, "Who is the

best mixed martial artist?" You'd go,

"Okay, so here's Kabib, uh, devout

Muslim, doesn't drink, uh, you know,

lives in the mountains." And you go,

"Oh, cool. So that's the blueprint." And

you go, "Ah, well, no. Sorry. So there's

a guy John Jones over here.

>> It does coke. [ __ ] everybody up.

>> Exactly.

>> Well, there's outliers. There's

outliers. There's outliers. You know,

>> that's exactly it.

>> There's always like these Bo Jackson

characters that could do anything.

>> There's there's there's people out there

in the world that are outliers and it's

uh very unusual when you stumble across

them. It's one of the things we love

watching an outlier. We love watching

someone that's just like so unique and

different than everyone else. Like, wow.

>> We love that. like a Michael Jordan, a

Tiger Woods or someone is just like

above and beyond. You're like, "Wow, I

love that."

>> That was it. Definitely looking at like

the hero's journey with Joseph Campbell,

good versus evil. And with the whole

Daniel Comey and Jon Jones rivalry, I

was like, "Oh, this is it. This is

amazing. This is the, you know, the good

and evil and this is and then you have

something like John Jones who just goes,

"Oh, no, that's that's not." For me in

boxing as well, it was Mayweather and I

loved Ricky Hatton as well. So when you

saw Mayweather there, like if it doesn't

make money, it doesn't make sense on the

bags. And then you got Ricky Hatton

having a cup of tea with his grandma and

you're like, "Oh, this is it. That's so

wholesome."

>> That's a little bit of [ __ ] though.

Ricky was a [ __ ] animal. He He was He

was an animal. Ricky separated a lot of

people from their consciousness. He was

an animal. That was Daniel.

>> That was just a skill thing,

>> right? Okay. But Daniel Cormier is a

good one. They're teaching kids

wrestling and you're like, "Ah, this is

amazing." And then

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, you know, John's not a bad guy.

He's just an animal. I mean, he's he's

cut from a different cloth, you know.

There's there's people in this world

that are just wilder, you know, and it's

one of the reasons why he's so good.

There's a certain element if you want to

be a professional cage fighter. You have

to there's a certain amount of you have

to have all these things to be the goat

like John. You have to have all these

things like perfect technique,

incredible work ethic when he does work,

uh, amazing talent, and an IQ for it.

It's that's a a really underrated factor

is Jon knows what to do with each po

famously will not take a fight on short

notice. Even with a guy like Chale Sunen

who on paper you can wake John up at

3:00 in the morning he's going to [ __ ]

Chel Sunn up on paper. No disrespect to

Chale he's a great fighter but there's

levels and I think Jon is just on a

complete and he's a larger man right

Chale did his some of his best work

almost won the title against Anderson

Silva at 185.

>> Jon is never making 185. He's a much

bigger man. And

>> John would not take a fight with Jail

Sonnen on short notice.

>> And when when he did take a fight with

Jail Sonnen, he [ __ ] him up in the

first round. He just annihilated him

>> even with a bad toe.

>> And well, he smashed his toe in the

process. He was pushing off the ground

so hard that he twisted his own [ __ ]

toe around.

>> I think we isolated it in a replay where

we could see the moment where his toe

snapped. And it was because he was

delivering ground and pound with such

force that as he was pushing off he

snapped his own toe and turned it

around.

>> And to this day when he fights he has to

tape those toes together

>> to this day.

>> One of my favorite Jon Jones is the uh

the arm bar with Vtor Bell for

>> Oh yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Completely hyperextended.

>> But it's another example of like guys

won't tap if you break their arm.

>> You know they they will hang on. And

then he wound up winning that fight by

Kamura in the next round.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. He got through that where most

people would have tapped. His arm was

[ __ ] and he couldn't fight for a long

time after that cuz he had to

rehabilitate that arm. His arm was

[ __ ]

>> Yeah.

>> That going back to the

>> Yeah. Look at that. I mean that is and

also that's Vtor who was a Brazilian

jiu-jitsu black belt under Carlson

Gracie elite arm bar and then he wound

up tapping Vtor in the next round. Even

with his fight with um Gustiffson as

well, it just like going back to that

anterior meticulate cortex, it just must

be massive in him as well. Do you think

who who do you think I mean there's

obviously Gatei, who do you think is one

of the most durable, one of the most

>> Gachi is probably the most durable guy

ever, which is like incredible that Max

Hollow knocked him out like that. But

other guys that stopped him before, too.

But that's just a part of being a human

being. If you're a human being and you

get hit by the greatest fighters in the

world, you get stopped. It's just how it

is. It's just there's if you get hit

clean, no matter who you are, some guys

are more durable than other guys, but no

matter who you are,

>> somebody head kicks you, if somebody

hits you with a wheel kick or something

like that, you're most likely going to

go unconscious or close to it.

>> Yeah,

>> that's just a part of the game. A flying

knee, very few people can survive that.

It's just it's like one of those things

where you get hit and you just sep this

weekend uh or two weekends ago rather

>> with uh Johnny Walker.

Yeah. Johnny Walker hit this dude with

uh a knee from the tie clinch and a

heavyweight.

>> Yeah. And just separated him from his

consciousness. Like, and this guy's a

massive 265 lb man that he did it to.

And it just proves my point. It's like

no matter who you are, there's certain

things if you get hit with them, you

just can't take it. You just can't take

it. And with,

>> you know, the Max Holloway fight with

Justin that was in a five round war. He

had been beaten up because he got hit

with a jump spinning back kick to the

face at the end of the first round

shattered his nose. So his nose bowden

was broken. So he's compromised from the

end of the first round on and then Max

is hitting him with all these shots and

then finally in the fifth round in a

fight that Max is winning, Max points to

the ground and says, "Let's just stand

and throw." And they just whail at each

other and Max famously knocks him out

like one of the greatest. But that's not

indicative of how durable he is. It's

like most people would have never made

it to that fifth round. He's insanely

durable and that's why you saw that

fight with Ilia Taporia. He weathered

that second round and came back strong

in the third. He's insanely durable.

Like maybe the most durable guy in the

sport and the most calm under fire. Like

he never it never changes his

expression. He never looks lost. Even

when he's getting hurt, he never looks

out of it. He just looks hurt. But he's

always like like he went back to his

corner after the second round with

Tapora. Tapora dropped him with a liver

shot. He goes nice liver shot. He said

nice liver shot. He got me with a nice

body shot. He was like complimenting his

opponent for hitting him in a good spot.

He was like that calm like that was

nice. Nice liver shot.

>> It's almost that Emil Zatipek. It's

genuine. You seen in the corner he's

having the best time. I'm just like oh

you're wired different.

>> He's wired different. Justin's wired

very different. He's wired very

different. He's very smart. Like, he's a

smart meatthead. Like, people think of

him as being a dumbass because he's like

silly and he does back flips and uh-uh,

he's thought it out. Like, he's he knows

what he's doing. Like, he's he's doing

things that are very intelligent in

there. And he has a bunch of things that

he does that he does better than anybody

else. And one of them is the uppercut

from the collar tie. He does this collar

tie uppercut. He hits everybody with it

because he's a really good wrestler.

even though he doesn't use his wrestling

in MMA, he started out as a wrestler and

he's a very good athlete. And he's got

this collar tie uppercut that he catches

everybody with

>> and he pulls you into that uppercut,

man. He [ __ ] a lot of guys up with

that. That's one of his signature moves.

>> But you you've spoke about as well with

his wrestling in the past. I think this

is so interesting going back to what we

said about the the vententral stratum,

the part of the brain that when things

aren't going well, it almost implodes.

Like losing feels so so bad. But I think

wrestlers are just used to just getting

beaten up, beaten up. One of the best

examples on the swim, I have a friend

who's in the special forces. Um, I was

just every single tide, every single

swim, I was just behind. I was behind.

It was just again, like I said, just

biochemically, neuroscience, I was just

imploding. And he turned to me and this

this really helped to sort of change my

perspective on things. He said, "Ross,

in the special forces, uh, we're not

seeing how well you can win, we're

seeing how well you can lose." Time and

time again. I said, "Well, what do you

mean?" And he goes, "There was one

particular exercise that we did.

Basically, you're on the assault bike,

heart rate over 180, and they're

checking heart rate monitor. So, you are

redlining, coughing up a lung,

breathing. They get you off the assault

bike. They take you into a room. There's

a guy there who's like 6'6, just huge.

And then there's a door behind him, and

they say, "Okay, you need to get past

him. Behind that door, your friends,

your platoon regiment are over the other

side of the door. So, they just run in.

This guy 6'6 is there just holding you."

And then there's a guy with a clipboard

in the corner. guy with clipboard gives

a nod. Bang, knocks them clean out. He's

out cold. The next thing he knows, he's

being brought back round with smelling

salts and he gets up like that and

there's in his face going, "Do you want

to quit? Do you want to k quit?" And my

friend at the time was just like, "No,

no, I'm good." And they so they let him

up. He goes again, starts wrestling this

massive six, waits for the signal, guy

with a clipboard, nods, bang, knock down

again. Did it three times, brought them

back round and then and then they go,

"Okay, you've passed. you passed. What

was interesting is my friend said one

guy actually made it past and got to the

door only to find it was bolted shut.

You were you were never going to win

like ever. But that's not what they were

testing. They were testing your ability

to lose time and time again.

>> Oh, that's terrible for you.

>> No, it's bad. But but that idea of just

sheer adversity,

>> the idea is interesting. However,

concussions, repeated concussions can

change a person's life

>> for sure. Yeah.

>> Yeah. You knock a guy out, a big giant

guy knocks you out three times. That's a

terrible idea

>> for sure.

>> You sure they was punching them? He was

punching him in the face.

>> The way that the story was told to me.

Yeah,

>> I know. I mean, there's some br

selection. Some of my friends in the

special forces, some of the stories they

tell me about selection, I'm like, that

is brutal, but then you you realize

that's why they're mentally bulletproof.

>> Do you know who Mr. Ballin is on uh

YouTube?

>> No. Really interesting guy. Uh he's got

a a great YouTube channel where he tells

all these crazy uh spooky mystery

stories, but he's a Navy Seal

>> and former Navy Seal. And one of the

things that he said about um what the

people that make it through Buds, two

people that do really well, two groups

of people, one of them is wrestlers

because they're just mentally tough.

They're like they're they're training

and constantly being dehydrated and

tired and just pushing and and taking

satisfaction being the most miserable.

That's one of the things that wrestlers

do. They take satisfaction suffering the

most. They do really well. And then

water polo players.

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> And then I was like, "Wow, why water

polo?" And then I didn't know that water

polo players never touch the ground.

They're constantly treading water while

they're playing that [ __ ] game. Like

you have to be in insane shape to be in

water polo. I never would have thought

of water.

>> You know, that was my background, by the

way.

>> I didn't.

>> Yeah. Yeah. So I played England school

boys all the way through to

international.

>> Oh, that makes sense.

>> No, no, no. I love that you brought that

up because it's it's absolutely true.

Again, there's um there's a famous very

famous match. It was basically called

Blood in the Water and it was the

Hungarians versus the Soviets and B

there was they were at war. You so they

were they were actually at war. The

Hungarians were training under gunfire,

bombs going off and everything. They

then drew each other. I can't remember

the name. It might have been the

Melbourne Olympics, I believe, in the

semi-finals. They drew each other.

There's famous pictures where basically

the water just went red. Blood in the

water. That's what it was called, the

match. And they just go at it. Um,

>> so they were at war with each other in

real life.

>> Yeah. And then they

>> So the Hungarians were at war with the

Russians and then they went to war in

volleyball in water.

>> In water polo, they got Yeah. They got

put against each other and they just go

at it. It's nuts. I mean, even like, you

can't see, but under my tongue, it's all

a little bit of a mess under there cuz I

remember I was playing water polo. Um,

we were in the south of France. I come

over the top like that. And as I do, I

catch an elbow and I just like bite

down. My tongue must have been out. And

so it cut my tongue in half. And then I

remember you then have to defend. It's

kind of like basketball constantly back

and forth like it's that quick.

>> Why you got a mouth full of blood at

>> Oh, there we go. Yeah.

>> Blood in the water.

>> Yeah.

>> Wow. So they're just fighting each

other.

>> Yeah. I think Hungary won, I believe,

4-0.

>> You have to be in insane shape.

>> Yeah.

>> To do that that game.

>> They're trained. I always found this

interesting because I made the England

school boy squad um at 13 and I was

playing against under 18. So I was I was

the wrong side of puberty and I was just

like playing against these just like men

who were trained in like water

jiu-jitsu. So I would throw a punch and

then I just be under the water while

>> you fight all the time in that.

>> All the time.

>> So it's like hockey.

>> It's exactly Yeah.

>> Hockey in the water.

>> It's exactly that. Yeah. Yeah. So one

guy

>> might be my new favorite sport. Are they

still allowed to fight?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you put on YouTube,

just put underwater fights, water polo.

Just put it on and they'll have cameras

at the Olympics and it's absolutely I

mean, also

>> in the Olympics currently, you're still

allowed to fight

>> for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, some

of the women

>> are they allowed to fight in the

Olympics in hockey?

>> Oh, I don't know.

>> Probably not.

>> That's weak.

>> Weak sauce. That's part of the game.

>> It's But I mean, I come

>> boxing. You have boxing in the Olympics.

You won't let people fight in hockey.

That's whack.

>> Agreed. But I Yeah. Back to my tongue. I

come over the top.

>> What' you say, Jimmy? You're strictly

prohibited in Olympics.

>> Strictly

>> certainly not in water, by the way. You

still see it. And the women

>> water polo, they still they still get

after it.

>> The women's game is worse as well

because obviously they got more of a

suit to grab hold of as well. And you

look at some of the underw

and it splits my tongue in half. And I

remember I then sprinted back to defend

cuz they're Ross. Defend, defend. So I

sprint all the way back and you can

imagine now blood is just pumping around

my body. My heart is going nuts and I

stop and there's just blood everywhere.

Like the whole water has just turned red

around me, but I don't notice. I think

it's somebody else. So I go, "Guys,

guys, stop. Stop. Someone's been hit."

And then I look and everyone in the

stands is looking at me. And as they

did, I remember it's almost like, you

know, when you got like toffee or

something in your mouth stuck in your

teeth.

>> Well, that was my tongue. So I was like

I was going like trying to spit whatever

it was out. And then I looked and it was

just flapping.

>> Oh my god.

>> And they were like, "No, no, no. You're

done." And I got out. They sewed it up.

>> That's why it's a mess underneath.

>> Yeah.

>> How long does that take to heal?

>> Well, weirdly, the tongue heals really

quickly. Yeah. So, it wasn't wasn't too

long. I was good in about a week.

>> Yeah. Wow.

>> Yeah. It was pretty bad. But it's the

same in Malta as well. So, it's it's

huge in Malta. Um, but out there, they

will just put goals in the middle of the

sea and just start playing, you know.

So, we would go out and and if you're in

gold and jellyfish come over, that is

that is just part of the game.

>> Warrior people. Let me see. Uh, water

polo fights.

>> Yeah, I could I'm It's not that

>> not that exciting.

>> No, it's tough to see.

>> We'd have to curate.

>> I mean, it's not find a good one.

>> It's a lot of dudes really small.

>> It's moving very slowly because it's

underwater,

>> right?

>> Let me see.

>> And it's also in slow mot.

>> Oh, it's slow-mo. Also, they're showing

these guys hitting each other in

slow-mo.

>> It's really hard to catch it, I think,

as fast movement's happening because

>> it's just the amount of endurance that

you have to have to play a game like

this. How long are your periods?

>> Like how long quarters depends on the

age group, but yeah, four four minute

quarters. Four, five minute quarters.

>> So for four minutes, you're treading

water and sprinting.

>> It's weird. You're exactly right. It's

swimming mixed with BJJ.

>> Whoa. People are

>> It's swimming mixed with like Yeah. I

mean, Hungary are amazing.

>> Oh, they're smacking each other in the

face and [ __ ] Oh, that guy's choking

that guy.

>> Oh, they literally hold on to each other

and then they swing it. Oh, this is

crazy.

>> Yeah, there we go.

>> Oh my god, this is Oh my god, this is

crazy.

>> It's pretty standard. This is just Yeah,

this is normal at a local competition.

That's pretty standard.

>> No wonder why these guys make good

seals.

>> Yeah. Yeah, it it's is you're literally

drownroofing yourself. Like there's

sometimes when I'm caught in an Arctic

storm, I'm like, it's not as bad as

playing Hungary. Like the amount the

amount of times I was I was so close to

drowning, it was nuts.

>> Crazy.

>> Yeah. And I think especially as well, I

was always so young, like I said, I made

the under 18 England school boys team

when I was 13. So I was the wrong side

of puberty and and we were playing

against Malta at the time and they were

just like big like beards playing

against Hungary. And I just learned very

quickly to be comfortable being

uncomfortable, you know, that that

Justin Gate stress inoculation training

that ever since when I swim now and

they're like, "Ross is an Arctic storm."

I go, "Still got my tongue. He's not

>> [ __ ] dude.

>> Not too fat.

>> You know, we were talking about uh

Carlos Prates in that video that I was

watching about the fighting nerds about

how the guy like emulates animals and

stuff. One of the things that they were

talking about is how Carlos had a losing

record early in his career. He's like or

close to it like five wins, four losses

or something like that. It wasn't doing

well the first nine fights of his

career. And then he decides to go to

Thailand and he flies to Thailand. And

the only way to make any money in

Thailand is you have to fight. So he

winds up fighting like every week. So he

fights like six times in a month and

he's like fighting constantly. But

because of that constant fighting, then

he gets like really accustomed and calm

fighting. He has over a hundred Muay

Thai fights.

>> So he's fighting all the time and it

just becomes relaxed to him. And so when

you see him fight, he's always smiling,

having fun in there. It's because he's

fought so many times that he's sort of

that fear of whatever that experience is

like. For most people, it's like this

daunting thing. They lock the cage door.

Holy [ __ ] This guy is smoking

cigarettes the week of the fight,

smoking cigarettes the day of the fight,

drinking, partying, just dead relaxed

when he gets in there and [ __ ]

everybody up. Like literally world class

fighters like Jack Dela Matalena who was

the former world champion beat the [ __ ]

out of him at in in at his in his home

country of Australia just beats his ass

in a in a like a ferocious way where

you're watching like wow like the level

the gap between them is so vast

>> and he's just essentially a product of

that of just like being in the fire for

so long you just get forged

>> like constantly fighting See, I love

that. That goes back to like the ancient

Stoics, Epictit Tetus famously, I love

this term. He said getting wintered. He

said that wars were fought in the

summer, but what you do in the winter

has a profound impact on how well

prepared you'd be. So, they would just

be doing a cold hard winter's training.

The Spartans as well famously would be

given essentially a loin cloth and just

been told to endure the winter to fight,

you know, for your food, you know, so

you just create these crazy warriors.

And I think now we're getting modern

versions. I think the the closest, you

know, our mutual friend Liam Harrison,

but he's just he's wired different, you

know.

>> Yeah, I said I told him he fights like

he has rabies.

>> Absolutely. That's the best way to

>> He's like a little demon.

>> But what I love about Liam as well, if

anyone's ever spent any time around him,

and he won't mind me saying this, but

he's he's like vibrating. He's

definitely got ADHD, but now there's so

many studies with fighters saying those

with ADHD actually process things so

much quicker.

>> I don't even believe in ADHD.

>> Oh, you don't?

>> No, I don't think it's a disorder that

you're doping.

>> I don't think it's a disorder. I think

it's a superpower. I think we are

conditioning children to sit in a

classroom and do something that's

insanely boring. And some people can

endure it, and God bless them. And some

people are not designed for it. And I'm

one of them. And I don't think HD ADHD

is a problem at all. Oh, I think I think

it's a superpower. I think it gives you

the ability to concentrate on things

that you love to an extent that most

people cannot fathom.

>> I agree.

>> You could obsess at things. I could play

pool for 10 hours in a row and I don't

eat. I just drink coffee and play pool

and I don't have any problem with that.

And everybody else wants to quit. I want

to keep going forever. I That's ADHD.

And I I see it in other people that are

great at things. Gordon Ryan, for sure,

he's got it. He [ __ ] trains 365 days

a year. It's both things. It's

discipline, but it's also this obsession

that comes from if you were in school,

they would say you have a disorder.

There's something wrong with you. Why

can't you sit down and do this boring

[ __ ] all day? Well, cuz I don't like

that. But if you sit those kids down in

front of a computer and let them play

video games, look at all the

concentration they have. Look at all the

focus they have. Look at how locked in

they are in what they're doing. I don't

believe in it. I I believe it's a thing.

I don't believe it's a disorder. And by

the way, I'm not unsympathetic to the

varying degrees that people suffer from

all sorts of disorders. I think for some

people it probably is some sort of an a

real genuine issue, right? Where they

can't focus it and it's not something

they can concentrate on other things

that they love. They're just constantly

scattered. I'm not talking about that. I

think it's entirely overdiagnosed. And I

think there's a lot of people that are

just people that are just not wired to

follow the standard norm of what I think

is a very boring structure of most

school work and most most school like

most of what you have to endure when

you're a young kid is sitting down when

you have the most energy. You just woke

up, okay? You you're fully rested. You

ate breakfast. It's probably filled with

sugar and you're just [ __ ] piping.

You're sitting in that chair going Jesus

Christ. I don't give a [ __ ] about

Hitler. Why am I in this class learning

about World War II? I'm 10. I want to go

outside. I want to play ball. I want to

run around with my friends. I want to do

fun things. This sucks. And they'll tell

you, you need to get on riddling.

>> You know, they'll say, "Billy can't

concentrate. Billy doesn't know how to

count.

>> I I completely because I think to that

point, exactly. Friends of mine have

said like, Ross, you have you definitely

traits of ADHD." And again, I'm the same

as you. I don't like that term because I

always just say my dopamine works a

little bit differently. And what I mean

by that sometimes as well is even

understanding the sort of biochemistry

on 400 milligrams of caffeine and then

maybe like cognizen for acetylcholine as

well. So I'm

>> what is cognizen?

>> Um it basically is a a supplement a

neutropic that will positively interact

with acetylcholine which is a

neurotransmitter that is less jacked up.

You're just kind of dialed in and

focused. Um that and alpha GPC. If I

take that combination, I am just dialed

in and just swimming. Every single

stroke, I'm just there like going good,

high elbow, good. And so,

>> are you like constantly filling up in

that stuff? Are you like replenishing

your stock while you're as you're

swimming?

>> Yeah, alpha GPC you I know Huberman

talks about you have to cycle that. So,

that I will. Um, but certainly with

caffeine, Cognizant, I'll be having that

pretty much on most swims.

>> Alpha GPC you have to cycle in terms of

like how often can you take it?

>> Hubman talks about every two days and

then three days off. I think that sort

of cycle. Yeah, you can build up a very

quick tolerance to it.

>> Interesting. 2 days and then 3 days off.

But this other stuff, Cognizen you said.

So what is in that?

>> Uh so so that's the ingredient. That's

the neutropic. I hope I'm getting this

right.

>> So it is an actual it's not a

combination.

>> No no no. And that affects acetylcholine

which is amazing just for their just

focus.

>> Do you ever take acetylcholine by

itself?

>> No. So that's the neuro

>> or alpha GPC. Do you ever take that?

>> Uh alpha. Yeah. Alpha GPC. Yeah. There

you go. So, it's a patented branded form

of aceticoline.

>> Um, a natural brain nutrient and

neutropic ingredient used in dietary

supplements, energy drinks, and

functional beverages. I like that term,

functional beverages. Isn't everything

beverage functional?

>> You know, you're getting hydrated,

you're getting drunk,

>> you're getting caffeinated. Those are

functional.

>> But will you do that as well? Whether

you're training or dialed in on

something, you'll know how your brain

runs. You'll say, "Okay, I've got you

know what really helps me is creatine."

Creatine is a big one and uh I only

become aware of that over the last I

don't know few years or so that how much

of an effect it has on mental focus and

one of the things that they've shown is

people with sleep deprivation that when

you have we're sleepd deprived when you

take I think it's 10 or 20 mil grams

>> a lot it's a lot right 20 is it 20 grams

>> a lot I think it's more than that

>> is it uh so whatever it is uh I I

believe it's 20 grams or above whatever

it is whatever the what's wrong with

number is just so we could help people.

>> Um it severely mitigates the uh negative

aspects of sleep deprivation in terms of

cognitive function, memory, all those

different things. And I find that, you

know, I've done a bunch of podcasts

where, you know, like I said, I play

pool a lot. I have a I have a real

problem. And sometimes I'll come home

from the comedy club and it'll be, you

know, midnight and I'm wired from, you

know, hanging out and

>> Oh, 25

>> 25 30 grams for many adults.

>> A small study.

>> Strongest acute study is large. Uh,

okay.

Not a normal daily maintenance dose.

Okay. So, so if you're tired, take 25 to

30 grams.

>> And then that's the response. And

normally I take 10 or 20. That's my

normal.

>> And you and that's cognitively then

you'll be back to baseline.

>> Uh, allegedly. It's hard to know, you

know. I mean, we all vary daily. I I

have days where I come in, I'm like,

"Oo, I'm firing today." And then other

days where I'm like, I can't even

remember words. Like, how the [ __ ] am I

doing this for a

>> living? Yeah,

>> you know, your brain is very it's it's

it's like the [ __ ] earth's

temperature. It [ __ ] fluctuates a

lot.

>> That is exactly it. And certainly on my

longer swims. Now, creatine, I actually

didn't do that during the Yukon swim.

So, weirdly, there's just a part of me

that does want to go back just to

actually trial that because towards the

end of the Yukon swim, I was in pieces.

So, I would love to see if I could

actually, you know, supplement to go

that much further. And I think creatine

was one that that I would love to add to

the arsenal.

>> So, here's what Jamie just pulled up. It

says as part of the study 15 test

subjects were kept awake overnight and

had to solve cognitive tasks during this

time. Sleep deprivation tends to change

uh leads rather to changes in brain

metabolism that promote the cellular

uptake of creatine. Beforehand the test

subjects have received a high single

dose of creatine important metabolic

product that is found in food and can

also be produced by the body itself. 3

hours after taking the creatine, a

positive effect on the brain metabolism

and cognitive performance of the test

subjects could already be observed. The

effect reached its peak after 4 hours

and lasted up to 9 hours. In particular,

the improvements in processing capacity

and short-term memory were seen. The

results suggested that a single but high

dose of creatine enhances thinking

capacity and causes changing changes

rather in the brain's energy reserves

during sleep deprivation. I wonder um

what it does if you're not sleep

deprived. Like what if you're a kid and

you have to take your ACTs or something

like that? Like what what would that do

for you?

>> That is interesting cuz I I think that's

the next frontier almost as well. Like I

think we we've known

>> small test subject, right? But it's

still if you get a significant result

from 15 people and you can measure the

changes.

>> I'd like to see it on a large study, but

it's interesting.

>> What what are a lot of the athletes

using now in the OC supplement wise?

creatine.

>> Creatine is for sure one of them. But

the issue with creatine is also it helps

you put mass on. And a lot of these guys

are trying to lose weight. So I don't

know uh what what they're doing in terms

of like there's some guys that are

extreme weight cutters. There's guys

that are cutting, you know, 20 lb, 30

lbs the week of the fight. It's really

and and rehydrating to a ridiculous

extent like before the fight. Like Alex

Pereira is the greatest example. Alex

would gain 40 lbs when he was fighting

at 185 lbs. So he's fighting at 185 and

he would weigh in on fight day at 225

226

>> which is nuts.

>> Yeah. I always love Rob whist who let

this guy in.

>> Very strange. So it's also saying don't

take that much

>> right. Don't take that much

>> even once. It says

>> oh even once it's bad because it could

put a heavy strain.

>> It says for the time being however it's

not advisable for people to take such a

high dose of creatine at home at home as

high doses of the substance put a heavy

strain on the kidneys and can cause

health risks. I wonder if you can

mitigate that strain by hyper um

>> said it was temporary too.

>> It's temporary. Yeah, for sure. It says

four hours.

>> But what's temporary?

>> The the the gain of cognitive effects.

>> Well, for the large dose, right, for

sleep deprived people,

>> it's just that seems risky.

>> Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah. I mean, I

don't think but I think one dose is

probably akin to one night of drinking.

Like, I don't think it's that bad. I

think I think the real problem is you

can't take that amount every day.

>> No.

>> Like what is I know people that take 20

grams a day though.

>> There's so many people though that are

just redlinining.

>> And the thing is it's like their their

biology might be different than your

biology. You know, some people like they

don't have a problem drinking every day.

Like Shane Gillis can just drink every

day and he's he got his liver tested.

He's fine. And we were all like what?

>> But I'm fascinated by this.

>> The [ __ ] Like I said, for future swims,

I think, you know, certainly at 41 years

old, I'm kind of as fit as I'm going to

be, you know, is that's this is the new

frontier for me, you know, looking at

neutropics. Um I know where

>> I bet hypoxia training, too.

>> You think? Yeah, that could add. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I I really do. I think it

just it raises your capacity.

>> I think it changes the red blood cell

count in your body.

>> That's it. Yeah.

>> Yeah. I mean, just like EPO does, right?

>> Aggregation of marginal gains. Now I'm

just at a point where I'm like right

where can I just get like 1% here there.

>> Are you using sauna regularly?

>> Not as often I should be.

>> Yeah.

>> God that should be a daily for you.

>> Yeah. You think? And even doing my

cardio in there as well.

>> Well yeah you can. I mean that's one of

the aspects of the exalt chamber.

>> So they do two different types of uh

training in it. One type of training is

high altitude. The other type is high

heat.

>> So uh I'll do sessions in there at 100°.

And so yeah. And so but it's not high

altitude. It's like st it's regular

altitude. It's counterproductive to do

the two of them together.

>> Yeah. Because it's blood plasma

>> according to the guys who are smart.

>> The the the thing you're doing is when

you are at high altitude, your heartbeat

is naturally lower. It's difficult to

get your heartbeat that high because

there's no no oxygen in the air. When

you're at high heat, your heart rate is

high immediately. Like one of the things

that I do, I'll uh do bag work. I do

heavy bag rounds and then after the

rounds, I jump right into the sauna. So,

I go from being exhausted, I give myself

just so I'm not dying so I could breathe

normal. Like at the end of the rounds,

I'm usually like really breathing heavy.

I drink some electrolytes. I always

bring a big 64 ouncez jug of water with

ice and electrolytes in it. And then I

go in 196 degrees and I sit in there for

20 25 minutes and I wear uh one of those

uh straps, one of those um heart rate

monitors and my [ __ ] will be at like 147

148 the entire time I'm sitting there

>> cuz I never it never got to go down.

>> So it's jacked up from the workout,

right? And then I go right in and it I

might be at 100 when I step in there and

it goes right back up, right back up. So

like 10 15 minutes in there, I'm just

sitting there and I'm at one especially

when I start doing heavy stretches,

which is why I do a lot of I find that

you can do stretches when you're in that

195 degree 196 degree heat that you're

just not going to be able to pull off.

And so I force my tissue to just force

it into position and hold it. And that

really jacks your heart rate up. Then

I'll get into the 150s because I I love

to go on a bit of a tangent as well.

Now, there's so many good meta studies

on um so studies of lots of studies of

ultra endurance athletes, but some of

the best now. These aren't guys just

like hanging in there. These guys are

winning between 35 up to 50. You know,

those like grizzly old guys and old

women who are just amazing.

>> Don't you think that's mental though?

Like your your mind gets harder as you

get older.

>> This is exactly what I was about to jump

on. So, I think there's a few things.

One is capillary density, mitochondrial

efficiency that you only get after like

years and years and years. So, it's like

when you're younger, V2, lactic

threshold, elasticity of tendons, all of

those things absolutely are better when

you're younger. And that's why you see

so many 100 meter, you know, champions

and sprinters, they're always younger.

But now, I think all of those things

that you're talking about now, heat

adaptation, uh, hyperbaric James,

everything like that, um, hypoxic

chambers, sorry. Everything like that is

just trying to create, I think, now a

new generation of older athletes. And

we're even seeing it 39 years old, Alex

Pereira.

>> Yes. You're Romero 49.

>> Yeah. Yeah. But he is he's off the

charts.

>> He makes no sense.

>> He's off the chart. That's an outlier.

He's he's an outlier. He's another guy.

>> He is. Yeah.

>> He's he's so unusual when you look at

him. He doesn't seem like he's aging.

It's It's insane.

>> You know, and he's still moves like a

cat at 49 years old.

>> Did you see his bare knuckle fight that

he had with Darren Till? Crazy.

>> I know.

>> Knocked Darren Hill down. Arguably could

have won that fight. You know, it was a

very close fight, but arguably you could

have given the A lot of people online

thought Yoel won that fight 49.

>> Yeah, but we're seeing it across the

board now as well. Like Kip Chigi won

the very recent marathon. Was it

Melbourne? I can't remember. You got

Messi, you got Ronaldo. Messi has only

just retired. Ronaldo, LeBron, I think

LeBron makes no sense because everything

that I just described there, your

proportion of fast twitch fibers reduces

as you get older. Elasticity of tendons.

>> Yeah.

>> How? So, I understand if you're Messi

who's just amazing, his vision of the

game and everything, he can sit there in

midfield just spraying the ball,

>> but LeBron makes no sense.

>> Well, LeBron is meticulous in his

rehabilitation. Meticulous. He spends an

incredible amount of time, like famously

spends millions of dollars just on

rehabilitating his body every year.

>> Wow.

>> On massage and all different therapies

and I mean, he's doing everything. And

I'm sure he's I don't know what the

rules are in the NBA with peptides and

all that other jazz, but I'm sure he's

on all that stuff, too, right?

>> I mean, if he's not, I'd be stunned.

Like, why wouldn't you be? That's crazy,

>> you know? Why wouldn't you be on BPC57

and TB500 and and if you're allowed to

be, you should definitely be on

testosterone and definitely be on some

sort of uh human growth hormone either

something that pumps it up like

Samoralin, which like naturally um makes

your body produce more testo or more

human growth hormone, something that

allows his body to regenerate tissue and

heal quicker. He has to be on something.

M

>> I mean I would imagine otherwise it's

crazy that he could perform

>> cuz one of the things that we talk about

a lot or I talk about a lot with serial

gone who's the UFC heavyweight champion

is that serial has a background in

basketball and I think that's a factor

because I think his movement his ability

to move his it's like basketball you're

doing plyometrics all the time.

>> Peptides are banned.

>> What's the rules? Synthetic and growth

hormone releasing peptides are banned in

the NBA.

>> Are they testing them? What is banned?

Growth hormone releasing peptides,

growth hormone uh secrets.

How do you say that word?

>> Secretogs.

>> Secretogs and other synthetic compounds

designed to stimulate growth hormone or

enhance recovery are strictly

prohibited.

>> But what about uh BPC57?

>> Specifically, that one

>> BPC57 was weird because it was allowed

by water and then it was banned.

>> It should be allowed. All it does is

regenerate tissue or rather uh help heal

tissue. It's banned. Banned in the NBA.

It's classified as an unapproved

substance under the world anti-doping

ay's prohibited list

>> and follows broader anti-doping policies

against unapproved peptides and

experimental drugs. Listen man, there's

zero studies that show there's any

negative effects of BBC157.

And there's a lot of at least anecdotal

evidence first and foremost that it's

very beneficial for people recovering

from injuries. But then there's other

also studies that indicate that it

really is helpful for people.

>> So someone was suspended.

>> No, I was looking this up because uh

last year this player was on the Lakers,

Luca Donuch, very famously got hurt

right before the playoffs started. And

he went to Spain to get treated and did

not get better. And what that treatment

was was not really publicly talked

about, but people were saying, you know,

get him on stem cells, get him on BBC

157, right?

>> Get him back in the get him back so we

can play that. I don't know if if they

are doing it. They have to take time off

so they can hide, you know, from

whatever.

>> Sort of like Connor did when he broke

his leg, right? He got out of the doping

pool,

>> right?

>> Yeah. And then got jacked and they go

[ __ ] jacked.

>> Became Wolverine.

>> Got super jacked. He looked like you.

All of a sudden, he weighed 220 lbs.

[ __ ] jacked.

>> I don't know if he got that big, but

point is like I think uh at least

peptides that help injuries. Listen, you

you're dealing with a sport where your

primary goal is to create an injury on

your opponent and you're practicing

injuring each other all day long. Like

you're going to get injuries and

anything that would help these athletes

get to the finish line, like get to the

cage in reasonable health because

they're always banged up. Like whenever

you see even at a world championship

level when you see a guy looks awesome,

guarantee that guy's dealing with some

[ __ ] Guarantee that guy's got a sore

hand, a [ __ ] up shoulder, his knee

hurts, something's wrong. There's no way

you get through a 12week camp with a

bunch of [ __ ] trained assassins and

you don't get banged up. You're getting

banged up. And BPC57 would help those

people.

>> But they're also doing there's a lot of

stuff these guys are doing now. A lot of

guys are invested in hyperbaric

chambers. Um they're doing a lot of

hyperbaric therapy which really does

accelerate uh healing uh from injuries

and just general just general overall

recovery from just life itself. I mean

it's Incredible.

>> They were amazing for me. Like we were

talking about earlier when I tore most

of the tendons in my rotator cuff. That

was after the Yukon and the doctor was

like, "How how did you not know?" And I

was like, "Well, I had hypothermia and I

was trying to dodge bears. I had other

stuff. I had other stuff on my mind at

the time. If I was a doctor, I'd be so

pumped to talk to you. I'd be like,

"Whoa, like look, this is an interesting

study."

>> Right. Right.

>> Like what what did you say? But but it

was mu stem cells were were amazing.

Then hyperbaric red light therapy. I did

everything and that got me back to the

start line uh ready for Iceland. Um I

think without it I might have needed

them reattached with surgery. So that's

how good they were for me.

>> Yeah, it's extraordinary what they can

do now and it keeps getting better. And

you know in this country there's this

battle between pharmaceutical drug

companies that want to they want to

patent these peptides and they want to

profit off of them. And then there's

also a lot of people who don't want

people taking these therapies because it

will cost them money in terms of the

amount of orthopedic surgeries they get.

>> That's a real thing and they have

influence and there's it's a real

problem and and unfortunately people are

willing to sacrifice the greater health

and recovery of the entire population

for their own personal gain. And that's

dark but accurate.

>> Agreed. Yeah. And if we were really

smart, we would be investing an

incredible amount of money into studying

these things. And there's not just that,

they're helping people with neurological

conditions. They're helping people

recover from like Parkinson syndrome

>> or Parkinson symptoms, you know, they're

they're they're doing them intraasally

for people that have lung disorders.

Like there's a lot of like really good

work that's being done

>> with stem cells. Does it mean they all

are the same and they all work great?

No. That's like there's shady places.

This is also part of the problem. Like

if you're traveling to some god-forsaken

part of the world to go do this therapy

because it's not legal in America.

>> Okay. Well, you got to be real careful

where you're going. You know, there's

some places like

>> the CPI, which is in Tijana, that's very

ethical and they they do everything

really great. But there's other places

where I've heard people get infected,

they have like horrible disease, you

know, they they get staff infections and

they wind up almost paralyzed. A lot of

[ __ ] up things can happen

>> when you're doing this stuff. if you

don't go to a good place.

>> Yeah.

>> But it it the bottom line is though

that's a problem with all medical

interventions. That's a problem with

surgery. That's a problem with like it's

a big one of the main killers in this

country. I think it's we we talked about

this recently. It's like the number

three killer in this country is medical

mishaps. like is either misdiagnosis or

bad treatment or some sort of a mistake

that someone makes.

>> It's a problem,

>> you know. So, it's a pro. It's like

human beings are very vulnerable and

>> you know, so it's not a cure all, but it

is a very promising therapy. And for

people that have had incredible results,

and I'm one of them, from stem cells,

like I'm screaming from the rooftops

like, "Hey, let's not just throw the

baby out with the bath water with this

stuff. this this should be you should we

could help a lot of folks who have a lot

of like real serious problems with this

[ __ ]

>> That's what they said to me. They were

like Ross, you know, this would have

been a death sentence for your career.

You know, you'd have swam around Great

Britain. You've just done the Yukon.

You're good. You're done. You know,

whereas it's amazing now I've seen it

that it's just managed to extend my

career, you know, just a little bit

more. I think that's

>> and just also for people that aren't

professional athletes, just extend your

health. Like so many people that have

had like these injuries like a a good

friend of mine had a knee problem and

you know he's not an athlete he's just a

guy who runs and his knee was in pain

all the time. I brought him into waste

well he got a shot in his knee. This was

2 years ago and he's like I run all the

time it never bothers me now. I'm like

that's nuts man that didn't exist

before.

>> Agreed.

>> That didn't exist.

>> Agreed.

>> And I think this is just the beginning.

I think we're at the beginning of this

stuff. They keep coming out with new

innovations and and new therapies that

are even more effective. Muse stem cells

being one of the greatest ones that's

more recent.

>> I agree. I agree.

>> They need more studies, more stuff, more

work. This is going to help a lot of

[ __ ] people, man. And you know, we

have to be really careful as to what

influence we're receiving as to why this

is a bad thing.

>> You know, I think this is a real problem

in this country in particular because

this country is like so ate up with

money. You know, money influences so

many narratives in this country. It

distorts reality. You're looking at

everything through a funhouse mirror

lens. You know, it's it's hard to tell

what's what.

>> Yeah.

>> What's good for you, what's bad for what

should be recommended, what should be

never taken.

>> You know,

>> my hospital visit on that note was was

so bad at the end. The rotator cuffs was

also like the

>> How bad was the food?

>> It It was pretty good actually. It was

in Canada in the UK. It was pretty good.

Yeah. Yeah. Pancakes meat. Moose meat

and pancakes.

>> Genuinely did. Yeah. They gave you

moose. Yeah. Yeah. and jerky as well.

Oh, it was so good.

>> That's incredible.

>> Yeah, it was amazing.

>> [ __ ] yeah, Canada.

>> Yeah. Yeah,

>> that's awesome.

>> Indeed. America, you'd get [ __ ]

>> Froot Loops.

>> Froot Loops to recover.

>> It was amazing. But we uh Oh, I'm going

to apologize now for this story, but but

basically, uh, during the Yukon swim, I

had a specially made wet suit.

>> So, because I can't touch the boat, no

one can touch me, I can't touch land.

Um, going to the toilet was obviously

problematic.

>> Oh boy.

>> Right. Right. So you'd have like one of

them hatches out the back

>> is exactly it. Yeah, we had we had a poo

flap made like just this zip. Yeah, a

poo flap mate. So we had a poo flap made

on the suit. Um it worked in training.

Um we then we took it on the swim to to

this day. I think we were honestly about

6 hours into what was a 60-hour swim. 6

hours in.

>> I didn't even think about pooping.

>> Yeah, you don't know, do you? That's

what will the whole expedition will come

unstuck because of that. We're 6 hours

in. Uh, to this day I still don't know

if the poo flap was in the wrong place

or my bum hole is in the wrong place.

But I end up going to the toilet and it

doesn't work. Like what was meant to

clear the wets suit doesn't clear the

wet suit.

>> So it's filling your suit up with poop.

>> Exactly that. Yeah. Yeah. I I'm then

faced with a decision and this goes back

to what we were talking about your

anterior mids singular cortex. In that

moment, pain versus purpose, grit or

quit. I'm like Ross. If you quit, you

are going to be known as the guy who

soiled himself and gave up in the Yukon.

or do you zip it up and just and keep

going? So, I zipped it up. I kept going.

>> Oh, you're swimming in your own poop.

>> But it was even worse. It was a It was a

black wet suit as well. So, it was

essentially just baking, you know, like

a slow cooker. I know.

>> So, none of it got out. All of it was in

there.

>> Um, I would say 90% remained in.

>> 90%. Could you reach in and grab it as

you're swimming?

>> No. No. No.

>> Clean out the No, no, no, no. There was

no reaching.

I'm so sorry, Jamie. I'm so sorry. So

anyway, yeah, at the end of the swim

when they're taking me to hospital, I I

turn to everybody and I just go, you

know, guys, and and again, the people in

Canada, the team that we had are

amazing. They're from the Yukon, you

know, they kill bears, they gut wolves,

they've seen everything. And they were

like, Ross, don't you worry. And I said,

no, guys, I'm going to apologize now.

I've saw myself in my wets suit and it's

been baking for what has been 55 hours.

>> They cut me out of my wets suit. They

cut me out. And they go, Ross, don't

worry. We're here. We're a brotherhood.

We've been

>> They did. They did. They did. They went

We're here. Oh god.

>> And they bolt. So I'm left there with a

flannel just covering myself.

>> Oh, and you just baked poo all over.

>> Yeah. So like I said, when they said,

"How did you not realize you'd torn your

tendons in rotation?" I was like,

"Because I soiled myself because bears

and wolves were after me."

>> That is

>> very reasonable explanation for why you

didn't notice that you were in pain.

>> It doesn't staff in any way, shape, or

form.

>> 100%. All kinds of stuff. Probably

sepus. Sepsis. Who knows what that does

to you? That's got to be terrible.

You're scratching yourself and then

there's pool over your butt. Oh, the

inside of your legs. Oh, would you would

you have carried on?

>> Lord, I don't know. I hope so.

>> Good.

>> I hope I'd be as strong as you.

>> No one knows until you do it, right?

Well, I think that's one of the things

that the kind of events that you

participate in really genuinely does

like it changes people's expectations of

what's physically and humanly possible.

And they all they all have to look at

themselves and and say, "Okay, maybe I

can do more than I think I can." And I

think even though these are extremes and

I think most people are not going to

swim for 60 hours, what they're going to

get out of that is this understanding

that you're capable of so much more than

you think you are and just raising of

expectations or at least raising of the

limits of the possibil.

And I think that alone is like a great

benefit to people.

>> I'm so glad you said that. That's

exactly what I say when I say I don't

recommend my lifestyle to anyone. You

know, it's a terrible lifestyle choice.

>> It's terrible. It's terrible. But but I

say that that's not my purpose. I don't

think I think my purpose is people to

get them to shift their barometer, their

own personal barometer, just one degree

of what they think they're capable of.

Yes. You know, and if if if that's what

I managed to do, then you know, I will

continue to soar myself in my wet suit.

>> I think you have done that. I think you

have done that. So, congratulations and

continue on, sir.

>> Thank you very much, brother. It's very

good to see you. Awesome. Thank you so

much.

>> Thank you.

>> Always good to see you. You're a freak.

You were one of a kind, man. I

appreciate you very much.

>> That was awesome, by the way.

>> Oh, you like It was good. Well, thank

you, man. You brought it.

>> Yeah, but you crushed far more than me.

I was trying.

>> We're having fun.

>> Thank you. It was fun. Thanks. Very fun.

Bye, everybody.