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0:12>> Danny. Hey Joe.

0:13>> Good to see you, brother.

0:14>> Good [music] to see you again, man.

0:15>> So, right off the bat, you hand me this

0:17Smithsonian pamphlet. It It's like a

0:20very small book on Peruvian elongated

0:24skulls, including like diagrams.

0:27>> Yeah. Not Peruvian. These are from the

0:29Pacific Northwest.

0:30>> From This is one of the things where I

0:32wanted to really bring up to you. The

0:34majority of the elongated schools in

0:35recorded history are from Washington

0:37State, Oregon. Yeah.

0:39>> Now, are these manipulated schools?

0:42>> Yes, sir. Those were manipulated

0:44>> by people. As a matter of fact, um when

0:47Lewis and Clark reached the the Colombia

0:50River, they passed the Cascade

0:52Mountains. All of the Native Americans

0:53west of the Cascades had artificially

0:56modified schools. Look at the title of

0:57the book. The Chinook sign of freedom.

0:59If you didn't have an artificially

1:00modified school, you were a slave.

1:02>> Wow. The Shinook sign of fre sign of

1:05freedom. A study the skulls of the

1:07famous chief, how do you say his name?

1:09>> Connley.

1:10>> Conley.

1:11>> And he was he was um he met with Lewis

1:14and Clark during the uh during their

1:17expedition. Um and he was as famous as

1:20Sakajia was 100 years ago. Um but he's

1:23just

1:24>> disappeared. Um he had an artificially

1:27elongated school. A bunch of images that

1:29talk about it. He attributed his

1:31intellect to his artificially elongated

1:33skull. Um

1:34>> what?

1:34>> Yeah. That he they believed.

1:36>> How would you know though?

1:37>> They don't.

1:37>> They did it when you were a baby.

1:39>> Exactly. But they that's what they all

1:41believed. And there is actually

1:42something to this is one of the things I

1:44that's really interesting that I've

1:45stumbled on is

1:46>> you know Neanderthal if you look at um

1:48the difference between a Neanderthal

1:50brain case and a human brain case is a

1:52huge difference. Like I I have an image

1:54if you don't mind, Jamie. You can throw

1:56it up there if you don't care. Um but

1:59it's all in the back. It's like there's

2:01a thing called Chiari malfform type one

2:04where the your base of your cerebellum

2:06falls into your spinal cord and it

2:08causes migraines and all kinds of stuff.

2:10And scientists now are saying that it

2:11probably came from us and Neanderthal

2:15brain case skull not quite fitting.

2:18>> And if you think about actually makes a

2:20lot of sense, right? Right. I mean, the

2:21Neanderthal school is way wide in the

2:22back. And that's where all of your your

2:25motor skills, your smelling, your

2:27seeing, your hearing.

2:28>> Yeah. They were more primitive. They're

2:29probably super athletes. And the the

2:31real the weird question is like, were

2:34they smart? And how smart were they?

2:36Like their frontal lobe is not as big as

2:40ours. Correct.

2:41>> Correct.

2:41>> And that's where all the thought

2:43processing and decision- making comes

2:45from.

2:46>> So, they probably had insane athletic

2:49ability.

2:49>> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And and motor

2:51skills and visual ability.

2:53>> The visual ability is important because

2:54look at the size of their eye sockets.

2:57>> Now imagine if you wanted the best of

2:59both worlds. So you were you were

3:01breeding these two species together.

3:03>> Look at the jaw on that [ __ ]

3:04[laughter] Imagine trying to knock that

3:06guy out. Good luck.

3:07>> You did about it. Although they had

3:08chests like barrels, too. It's like they

3:10they all look like you do naturally.

3:12They don't have to lift. They just

3:13they're just that way.

3:15>> They probably look a lot more impressive

3:16than me. Well, well, the guy on the

3:18left, he looked he looked like me

3:19naturally. He's [laughter]

3:21>> I mean, do you remember that one? It I

3:24think it's just nonsense. But there's

3:26this one guy who proposed the idea of

3:28Neanderthalss being uh like gorilla

3:31looking like super predators and he

3:34thought that the eyes were bigger so

3:36they could see at night

3:37>> and he had like this crazy it was very

3:39>> they were eating us all. Yes.

3:40>> Right. Right. Right. Very sensationalist

3:42nonsense

3:43>> and the genetic evidence is what you

3:45know.

3:45>> Yeah. that guy. It was [ __ ] dope

3:47though. [laughter]

3:47The idea that this seeing the dark, you

3:50know, like primate that lives in the

3:53woods and was like infinitely stronger

3:55than us. Like could you just rip our

3:56arms, right? Like gorilla strong

3:58>> and but but not smart enough that you

3:59could like, "Hey man, could you please?"

4:01No. No. No. No. He's just going to eat

4:02you.

4:03>> Oddly enough, has a skull that has a

4:05larger capacity than us. And so then we

4:07have to think, okay, is it just motor

4:09skills? Like do we what do we know about

4:12the brains of dolphins? Well, we know

4:15that their their brain capacity it's

4:17quite a bit larger. Like their

4:19>> I think their cir their cerebral cortex

4:21I think is like 40% larger than a

4:23person's.

4:24>> Yeah. Something crazy like that.

4:26>> So what is that like what's going on

4:29with them? Like how are they so much

4:31more intelligent than us but they just

4:33can't manipulate their environment so we

4:35ignore it?

4:36>> Well that could be it also could be a

4:37degree of chemistry that they can't you

4:39know I mean you can't do fire underwater

4:41really. So you're kind of stuck with

4:42your technological stuff.

4:44>> There's no manipulation, right? So all

4:46of their intellect must go into other

4:48areas.

4:49>> Social and hunting and

4:50>> but then you find out how horrible they

4:52are to each other. [laughter]

4:54>> Yeah.

4:54>> You know what I mean? Like the infantry

4:56side, you know, like dolphins, female

4:59dolphins are very promiscuous. And the

5:02reason why they're promiscuous is

5:03because if the male doesn't know if the

5:06cubs are his or not, if he thinks they

5:08might be his, he's not going to kill the

5:10cubs. But if a female has cubs, the male

5:14will kill the cubs so that the female

5:16will breed again. It's like, "Hey, I

5:19thought you guys were like the super

5:20peaceful [ __ ] smart ones."

5:22>> Sounds like Sounds like kind of like us.

5:24>> I don't know a lot of guys who are

5:26killing babies so that the women will

5:28breed,

5:29>> but it gets close.

5:30>> Chimpanzees do it.

5:31>> Do they do that?

5:32>> Yeah, they do that kind of stuff,

5:33though.

5:33>> Bears do that.

5:34>> Yeah. It's It's

5:35>> Bears do two things. They think they

5:37think one they eat cubs to force the

5:40female into breeding again, but two they

5:42think they just do it for food.

5:44>> It's just dark.

5:46>> That's that's yeah that's arachnid

5:48levels are dark. Right.

5:49>> Cannibalism is dark

5:50>> always.

5:51>> And bears are all cannibals. And this is

5:52the thing about people and the

5:54athropomorph

5:56anthropomorphication. Is that the word?

5:57How do you say

5:58>> anthropomorphic?

5:59>> Anthropomorphification. I always I want

6:01I want to say pro but it's po right.

6:04an anthropomorph. Anthropomor Yeah, I

6:08think you're right.

6:09>> Um, whatever it is, people humanizing

6:12animals. The weirdest one I think is

6:14bears and like you can train bears.

6:17There's bears at the circus. You like

6:19they're an interesting animal, but in

6:22the wild they are some of the [ __ ]

6:24most brutal and ruthless creatures.

6:26They're it's basically almost like a

6:28giant wild dog, you know? And they tear

6:32things apart and they eat things while

6:34they're still alive. Like they're

6:35[ __ ] [clears throat]

6:36>> They don't care.

6:36>> They don't care. They're [ __ ]

6:38horrible. They're horrible to each

6:40other. They go into dens and pull out

6:41cubs and eat them. I mean, I

6:45>> Yeah, just a different set of morality,

6:48I guess you could say, or lack thereof.

6:50But yeah, I'm glad I'm not a bear cuz

6:52I'd probably have been eaten as a cub.

6:54>> Or you would have been hit by a car. or

6:55have been hit by a car.

6:57>> Yeah, that's the rough.

6:58>> Or caught in a trap and trained to be a

7:00dancing ballerina bear or some [ __ ]

7:02stand on a ball.

7:03>> The um the the ancient humans though to

7:06me are like I feel like this is a this

7:09is a an emerging topic even though we've

7:11known about Neanderls for so long now

7:13that they know about Denisovvens, now

7:16that they know about homo florian, how

7:18do you say that? Floriansis.

7:20>> Yeah, I'm that one pronunciation.

7:21>> Island of Flores, man. The the hobbit

7:23people. Now they they know, okay, we've

7:25got two very distinct human beings that

7:27lived with humans that aren't homo

7:30sapiens. And the Dennisovven's one is

7:32[ __ ] super weird. They're big.

7:34>> They're big.

7:35>> They were taller than us.

7:36>> Then the bigger heads like very almost

7:38like Neander. There is um some of the

7:41stuff that I got for to talk about here

7:43is um

7:44>> like uh polyactly multiple fingers and

7:47more than five fingers and toes on each

7:49hand. That's in the Bible. They talk

7:51about the giant. Okay.

7:52polyactyl. If there's a gene GI um could

7:57you pull up the one that says polyactly

7:59paper, please? Thank you. It's they've

8:01been studying this and there's a gene

8:03that Neanderthal and Denisvens had that

8:05a variant that increases polyactyl. It

8:08increases um uh cranial deformations. It

8:12increases a bunch of stuff. Um this is I

8:16mean they and this is uh and this is all

8:18newer stuff. You see that's 2023.

8:21Oh,

8:22>> and there's this is huge.

8:24>> I saw your video on this where you

8:26talked about there's one family in

8:28Brazil that has uh like most of their

8:31family members have six fingers and six

8:32toes

8:33>> and Yeah. And they say it helps them.

8:35>> Of course.

8:35>> Of course. I can grab the ball better. I

8:37can play an extra string. Right.

8:39>> Right. Imagine guitar extra finger.

8:41That's nuts.

8:42>> You could even be an ugly dude and and

8:44seduce a woman when you got an extra

8:45finger. [snorts]

8:46>> Good luck. [laughter]

8:48Chicks don't want to have kids with a

8:49guy who has [ __ ] six fingers. I'm

8:51some freak kid.

8:53>> The the in South America, they actually

8:55honored that stuff. They honored they

8:57honored genetic deformations. I honestly

9:00believe that they were actively breeding

9:02different bloodlines together in South

9:05America.

9:05>> Look at that baby. That's crazy.

9:08>> It's got five fingers and a thumb.

9:10That's crazy.

9:13I mean, the thing is they look

9:15absolutely normal in every other way,

9:18except the fact that they have five

9:19fingers instead of four. Like, and it

9:21would take you a few seconds. It's

9:23almost like you're living in the Matrix.

9:24And this is like an AI glitch, you know,

9:26like AI glitches. They would have people

9:27that have like additional appendages,

9:29[laughter]

9:30like a weird elbow growing off your

9:32elbow, you know, cuz it just glitched.

9:33>> The clat walks by. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I

9:36like it would take you a while before

9:38you real like imagine if you were high

9:39and you went over this lady's house and

9:41you saw her playing piano and you're

9:43like wait a minute why is there so many

9:45noises [laughter]

9:48>> slow down with the nose

9:49>> how do you have so many fingers

9:51>> you wait a you have extra fingers like

9:54this dude had gloves gloves right there

9:57>> bro he must be a [ __ ] of a

9:58goalie

9:59>> oh of course

10:00>> right it's the greatest hand skill for

10:02goalies

10:03>> yeah but watch your space for sure.

10:06>> More space. You cover it up.

10:09>> But I think

10:09>> definitely better if you could teach

10:10them how to punch. You have a whole

10:12another finger that like the width of

10:14the hands would be greater. The weight

10:15of the hands would be greater.

10:16>> Yeah. The guitar players say it's not

10:18the extra finger as much as it is the

10:20extra stretch, the extra reach that lets

10:22them

10:22>> pop a couple extra frets.

10:23>> Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense.

10:25Especially like long fingers.

10:27>> The guitar is still made for a five

10:28fingered player, right? So you're Yeah,

10:31you're just not

10:31>> Well, you can figure out how to do it

10:33with six. Look what Hendrick's doing

10:36upside down. Played it left-handed.

10:38>> I guess Stevie Rayvon, local hero.

10:39Right.

10:40>> Right. Turn that thing and stand. You've

10:42seen the live at El McComber one where

10:44he he takes his like $15,000

10:47Stratacaster stands on the horns and

10:49he's rocking the neck back and forth and

10:51I'm just pops the string just pick

10:54doesn't even care. Just go.

10:56>> It's not a toy. It's not an instrument.

10:58It's a damn toy. It's a tool. It's a

11:00>> Yeah. Anyway,

11:02>> I can gush about that guy for a bit. I

11:04like Stevie. He's pretty good.

11:05>> We have posters of or photos of him from

11:07when he was on stage at the club way

11:09before we owned it.

11:10>> Oh, really?

11:11>> Yeah.

11:12>> He was on that stage in like the 80s.

11:14>> Oh, wow.

11:15>> I think I think the picture's from 83.

11:17>> Yeah. I popped into Anton a couple of

11:19times to just just just to smell the

11:21air.

11:22>> Yeah, [laughter] Anton is dope. That's a

11:24great place. I've seen Gary perform Gary

11:26Clark Jr. perform there a few times.

11:28It's [ __ ] sick.

11:29>> Yeah. I haven't I haven't got to watch a

11:30show there every time I'm in town. It

11:32was up to no good. But uh I might have

11:35to catch a show there one of these

11:36nights.

11:36>> Yeah, we did it and everybody got CO.

11:39The whole crew, everyone backstage got

11:41CO. One of their guys Yeah, one of their

11:43guys had CO after the show. It was like

11:45during the whole during the full

11:46lockdown and they had a concert. I was

11:48like, I can't believe we're at a

11:49concert. And then we went backstage.

11:51We're hanging out in the green room and

11:52then everybody got CO.

11:54>> [ __ ] I am not a fan.

11:56>> Yeah, except me. I didn't get it.

11:58Oh, it's because you were, you know,

12:00it's funny. It's I was something that I

12:03wanted to talk about on this anyway, so

12:04we may as well get into it now, is the

12:06co thing. You know, they weaponized

12:08scientific literacy when they said trust

12:10the science on the on the jab. That's I

12:12there's a lot of things worth talking

12:13about, but the the whole war on science,

12:16like I keep call I get called a science

12:17denier a lot. [ __ ] that. I'm a science

12:19gatekeeper. You don't get to call it

12:20science if it ain't science. You stop at

12:22the door. Science is a method. It's a

12:25it's a way we get somewhere. It's not

12:27the end result. Carl Sean said, "Science

12:29is more than a body of knowledge. It's a

12:31way of thinking, a way of skeptically

12:32interrogating the universe. The average

12:35time for a peer review for a test on a

12:38vaccine is about 10 years. You crank it

12:40out in a year and a half, you haven't

12:42followed the proper [ __ ] steps. You

12:44haven't done science. I'm not a science

12:46denier. I'm not I've just do it right

12:48and come back,

12:50>> right? It's not a coincidence that there

12:51was so much money involved.

12:53>> We're not stupid. No,

12:54>> we know why it it wasn't done because

12:56there was no other methods to treat this

12:58disease. That's ridiculous. It's not

13:00true.

13:01>> And that's why they got so mad at me.

13:02>> But that's where I was going to go with

13:05your doctor, they they threw your

13:07personal physicians under the bus. And I

13:09don't know anything about that except

13:10for that I can't extrapolate. I can

13:12guess and say that the guy that your

13:14personal physicians probably wants to

13:16keep that job probably doesn't want to

13:18see you croak from COVID in the

13:20meantime. I mean, I could be wrong, but

13:22you know, it it seemed really just

13:23ridiculous that it was like, oh, they're

13:25just pushing a bunch of pseudocience

13:26[ __ ] It's like, um,

13:28>> that you could look at it that way. And

13:30I, you know, everyone was scared and

13:32it's not their fault that they, you

13:35know, they were presented with this

13:36pandemic that caused people a lot of

13:37anxiety, but was shocking to me was how

13:41few people were willing to say, "What

13:44did that guy do?" Instead of saying, "Oh

13:47my god, you're anti-science. You're

13:48promoting vaccine hesitancy. You didn't

13:50get vaccinated and you survived COVID

13:52and you're telling everybody how you did

13:53it. This is anti-science. Like,

13:55>> but it happened

13:57>> except they told you you were using a

13:58horse dewormer, right? Which

14:00>> Well, that was completely insane. But

14:01that that's just proof of propaganda.

14:03But even without that proof of

14:05propaganda, you also have this thing

14:07like if if we are all trying to get

14:09through something and you see someone

14:11who is a very public person, I'm online

14:14all the time. I have millions of

14:16subscribers, right? Yeah. So, I'm very

14:18scrutinized on my and everyone knows

14:20that I work out all the time. Everyone

14:22knows I take vitamins. I talk about it

14:23all the time. Cold plunges and [ __ ]

14:26hyperbaric chambers and all this

14:27different [ __ ]

14:29>> Why wouldn't they say, "Oh, apparently

14:32if you're really healthy and you do

14:35these things and for maybe whatever

14:37reason you can't get vaccinated, this

14:40works too."

14:41>> There was never even a consideration,

14:43right? Even even let's assume the

14:45vaccine worked which it which didn't

14:47like which let's assume that it

14:48prevented infection which it didn't

14:50prevented transmission which which it

14:52didn't and didn't have any side effects

14:54which is certainly not true. So, let's

14:55just let's pretend it did. Even then,

14:58you have people that are allergic to

15:00some of the ingredients in the vaccine,

15:01right? Aaron Rogers was one of them. And

15:04so, if you tell those people, hey, I

15:08understand that this medicine that works

15:10you can't take, but here is a guy who

15:13did something different and was fine.

15:16Like, this is okay, too.

15:17>> Instead, they shut all that down,

15:18demonetized people, chose channels down.

15:21It was It was bad.

15:22>> It was interesting. It was it was it it

15:24was interesting. It's you know um it's

15:26funny watching it from hindsight because

15:28we can look at it now and see where you

15:30know everything's kind of settled

15:32afterwards to a degree. But even still

15:34like uh like for example the Fouchy

15:37hearings nobody who was a big supporter

15:40of his that I know personally knew about

15:42that until I told him about it. It was

15:43like it just didn't show up in their

15:45[ __ ] radar.

15:46>> They don't want to know about it.

15:47>> Of course not.

15:47>> I mean nobody wants to think that they

15:49were completely wrong about that, you

15:51know.

15:52>> Yeah. And that was one of the things

15:53they did whip everybody up into a fury.

15:55>> Yeah. Look, when you're wrong about

15:57something, you got to say, "Well, I was

15:59wrong about that for sure."

16:01>> That's really honestly like part and

16:03parcel not just to being an honest

16:05person, but like especially if you're in

16:07science. Um,

16:08>> yes. You know, like your boy, your

16:10favorite archaeologist who's not a

16:12scientist, that Flint Dibble guy, he

16:15recently did a thing where he was making

16:16fun of me and he's like pulls up this

16:18thing talking about Easter Island and

16:20how Easter Island's earliest habitable

16:22layer has food stuffs from South America

16:24and Asia. So like the as far back as

16:27people were hitting Easter Island that

16:28we're aware of, they were hitting both

16:29of these continents a thousand years

16:31ago. So I I mentioned this Flint clips

16:34that he's like, "This is [ __ ] This

16:35Dan's confidently wrong. He's full of

16:37shit." Five minutes later in this live

16:38stream, he catches that that is

16:40accurate. Well, actually, there is uh

16:43evidence of contact between the two, but

16:45he never mentions that it was on Easter.

16:47He saves his face rather than and I mean

16:50that's not like a big surprise thing,

16:52but the point is is that if you're This

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17:34>> Scientific. This is what I also think. I

17:36think there's all this personal stuff

17:38that goes on with these people that is

17:40so completely unnecessary.

17:42>> And I think the only reason why

17:45archaeologists get dismissed

17:48by these whatever you would call

17:50yourself amateur

17:53>> interested amateurs.

17:54>> Interested amateurs in all things life

17:56and looking at these looking at the data

17:59and looking at the science of it. And

18:00you're really good at it.

18:01>> Well, thank you. I appreciate that. That

18:03should be an asset. That's all that

18:05should be. That should be an asset to

18:06the archaeologists. And if you think

18:08they're wrong about something, you

18:09should talk to them. Now, I think when

18:12he had that conversation with Graham, I

18:14think that's the right way to do it. I

18:16don't think necessarily he did it in

18:18good faith. And I think he wanted to,

18:20you know, push a certain narrative. And

18:22one of the narratives was the thing that

18:25disturb disturbed me the most is he was

18:27trying to label Graham as racist for

18:29proposing these theories that there's an

18:31advanced civilization that existed

18:32before the one that we currently see.

18:34>> Yeah.

18:34>> I don't think that it can be racist.

18:36It's human beings. It's not just human

18:38beings. It's human beings specifically

18:40that live in the very area where those

18:41human beings live.

18:43>> So it's their ancestors. So the

18:44ancestors of Africans are the ones who

18:46built the pyramids, right? Whoever the

18:48[ __ ] they were, whether whether they

18:50were the people of 2,500 BC or whether

18:53it was even earlier than that, whatever

18:54it was, it was the people that lived

18:56right there. The same people.

18:58>> So, this is crazy.

18:59>> Well, the whole thing is, this is what's

19:01really funny. Atlantis, well, they say

19:02you assume that Atlantanss were white.

19:04Erggo, it's only the brown people

19:06buildings that you ask questions about.

19:08You're not asking questions about the

19:09coliseum. It's like, okay, well, the

19:10coliseum has written records. So, I know

19:12why the coliseum was built, when it was

19:14built, the parthonon, same thing. But

19:15you know what I don't know about that

19:17was built by white people supposedly?

19:19Balbeck. Balbeck was supposedly built by

19:21Romans. We're all doing it there, too.

19:23It has nothing to do with color. It has

19:24everything to do with written records.

19:26They ignore this. One of my favorite

19:28things to throw at him with Ballback has

19:29no written records of the

19:30>> not of the tril of the big stuff.

19:32Exactly.

19:33>> And how do you not write that down?

19:35[laughter]

19:35>> You wrote down everything.

19:37>> The Romans wrote everything down. They

19:39had scribes. Their job was to document

19:42everything. They were very concentrated

19:44on history.

19:44>> Yeah. Yeah, we went off about this when

19:47me and Jimmy Corsetti were here. Yes.

19:49But talking about like the Roman foot.

19:51>> Well, if Jimmy's right, Atlantis was in

19:53subsaharan Africa.

19:55>> It's Africans.

19:56>> Well, I think honestly that I think

19:58Atlantis is kind of a catch-all term for

20:00a lost civilization that was globe

20:03spanning. Yeah.

20:04>> And like they would call us 10,000 years

20:06from now, they would just lump us in

20:08with the damn French and call us the

20:09electronic civilization. And with the

20:11exception of GSP, I don't want to be

20:13associated with a damn French.

20:15[laughter]

20:16>> No, I'm kidding.

20:18>> There's a lot of dope French people. I

20:20love Montreal. I love

20:21>> Speaking of um GSP is going to be at

20:23that event. Um

20:24>> Oh, is he? He's the best. I love that

20:26he's doing a podcast. He's a very

20:28fascinated guy. He's fascinated and

20:30curious about so many things and he's

20:32kind and he's open-minded and he's

20:34really intelligent. He is so odd. Like

20:38when people meet him and I go, "Do you

20:40know who that is?" And they go, "No."

20:42See, he's like a really nice guy. Like,

20:43that is one of the greatest cage

20:45fighters that ever lived, they're like,

20:47"No way." I go, "One of the all-time

20:49greats, if not the all-time great." I

20:51think Jon Jones all time great. But I

20:52think he's in the conversation like

20:54George is in the conversation of one of

20:56the greatest that's ever done it. And

20:58meanwhile, he's the sweetest, nicest

20:59guy. Dude, when I I made a comment once

21:02to him on Instagram where he was like

21:03doing these leg workouts and I was like,

21:05"My legs will never look like that

21:07because I'm sitting on a computer all

21:09day smoking weed and reading." And

21:10[laughter] he goes, "I trade my legs for

21:12your brain any day." And I'm just like,

21:13"Sut [snorts] the [ __ ] up. Your legs

21:15have made you millions. What the hell

21:17you talking about, boy?" [laughter]

21:19>> Well, everybody wants what they don't

21:20have. You know,

21:22>> he's going to have me on his pod here on

21:24the 17th, too. He's going to be here the

21:2616th or 18th or that thing at the end.

21:28>> Yeah. everybody this thing. What are you

21:29doing?

21:30>> Uh here at uh the Quest for Ancient

21:32Civilizations Conference October 16th

21:35through 18th at the ACL live here in

21:36Austin, Texas. Be me, Rand Carlson.

21:40Um Base Forge, you just had him on here.

21:43Bass 4J. Um and a few other guys. Um

21:46yeah, this thing. There's got a bunch of

21:48AI. See the AI generated Amish dude in

21:50the middle there.

21:50>> Look at all the pseudo science on one

21:53picture. I love it.

21:54>> Oh man. Yeah, [laughter] we're we're

21:56there.

21:56>> It's just like Duncan. It's going to be

21:59>> That doesn't look like Duncan at all.

22:00That's like Duncan on TRT.

22:02>> But Curt and Duncan are going to be

22:03there. The Mystery Boys. Those guys will

22:05be Those guys are always

22:05>> You hear Randle Carlson has a rap song

22:07out now?

22:08>> Yes. Yes.

22:09>> Not Randall. I'm sorry. Billy Billy

22:10Carson.

22:11>> Randall. I [laughter] didn't know he

22:13released one together.

22:15>> My brain got scrambled. Randle. Randall

22:17is a rap song.

22:18>> When we were in Sedon, Arizona, we him

22:20were sharing an Airbnb and he was he

22:22wrote it in like the late ' 80s. He was

22:23spitting bars at me over breakfast. I

22:25was just going [ __ ] damn. This was

22:26not on my bingo card. Whoa. [laughter]

22:28>> Randle Carlson rapping at me for

22:30breakfast. Carlson is a hip-hop head.

22:32>> Uh, from the late '8s.

22:34>> He's been

22:34>> How do I How do I not know [laughter]

22:36that? I've known that for I should look

22:38it up or not.

22:39>> Poor J the [ __ ] away over here.

22:41>> Randall [laughter] Carlson hiphop.

22:43Please put that into Perplexity. Ask our

22:46AI sponsor, Perplexity, [laughter]

22:47what Randall Carlson's history in

22:49hip-hop is.

22:51>> That would be dope watching [ __ ]

22:53Santa Claus spitting bars like that.

22:54>> I'm telling you, man. I was I it was I

22:56was still drinking coffee and nursing my

22:58morning bowl and I was like, "Well, holy

23:00[ __ ] Is this the real world?"

23:02[laughter]

23:02>> Yeah. Crazy.

23:04>> But yeah, uh that's going to be a fun

23:05thing. GSP is going to be there now that

23:07he just got officially 100% confirmed

23:09about an hour ago.

23:10>> That's fantastic.

23:11>> But uh yeah, that's going to be a lot of

23:13fun. Um but uh I'm going to be talking a

23:16lot.

23:16>> Tickets are available for that. You can

23:17get them online.

23:18>> Yeah, tickets are available. You can get

23:19them online. The Quest for Ancient

23:21Civilization. Thanks. Um um Quest for

23:23Ancient Civilizations. Um, if you go to

23:25my YouTube, there'll be stuff on there.

23:27Uh, yeah. If you look for Quest for

23:29Agent Civilizations, you'll have no

23:30trouble finding.

23:31>> So, this conference, uh, available

23:33online, people can get tickets. Looks

23:35like a dope lineup. And it's all the

23:37stuff that I love to talk about. So,

23:38>> yeah. Sick.

23:39>> Yeah. I I jokingly called it the Rogan

23:41Trinity when we got GSP. We've got the

23:43pyramids, we've got the comedy, we've

23:45got the ass whooping. It all [laughter]

23:48>> So, these people, let's go back to this

23:51um this Smithsonian thing. these people

23:53with their altered heads.

23:54>> Is it your suspicion that they were

23:57altering their heads to try to appear

23:59like people that were already here? Like

24:02the Peruvian skulls and

24:03>> No, before I thought Oh, go ahead.

24:05Sorry.

24:05>> No, go ahead.

24:06>> Oh, before I thought that, but um cuz

24:07like there's skulls in China that were

24:09originally mistaken for chromagnet and

24:11Neanderthal and stuff like old and now

24:13they say they're artificially modified

24:14by people. But

24:16>> no, I think um could you pull up the

24:18image for Chiari malfformation? It's the

24:20It's got two heads with one circled like

24:22two cat scans.

24:24>> Well, I was talking about the brain

24:25falling down into the thing.

24:27>> They believe that this is a problem from

24:28Neanderthal andor Denise and mingling

24:31with us. Skull too small, brain too big.

24:34So now if you have this consistent

24:35problem, you've got to always got

24:37pressure on the brain.

24:39>> See how it's pops down there? You've

24:40always got this pressure on the brain.

24:43>> Now imagine if you

24:45>> you might drill holes in your head. Like

24:47you've seen all the truncation that's

24:48happened down there. There's an image of

24:50that. Yep. And then or you might

24:53elongate the back of the skull every

24:55generation so that your kids don't have

24:57the same [ __ ] headaches grandpa did.

24:59[gasps]

25:01>> And so it becomes a thing that and this

25:03is why if you check out South America

25:05Paracus is insane this way. They have so

25:07many things. The polyactyli

25:10the elongated skulls the tffonation.

25:13There's a thing. Could you pull up the

25:14Inca bone one where your skulls melt?

25:17The plates in the skull melt in the

25:18back. If there is stress or a lack of

25:20equilibrium, you'll end up what they

25:22call firmian bones. Ones in the back are

25:25wormyian bones. The ones in the back are

25:27so pronounced. Um, the are called Inca

25:30bones because they happen mostly in Inca

25:32territory. You also see in Easter

25:34Island, the Pacific Northwest, and in

25:36Asia. But this part of the skull right

25:39there, um, there's one that's got a

25:41Neanderthal that shows this, too.

25:43Neanderthalss have the same issue.

25:45There's another one. And there's an

25:47island. Uh oh, Jesus. Um

25:51but yeah, the uh Sorry, there's Yeah,

25:53there's one

25:54>> my own head right now. [laughter]

25:55>> There's one with white text at the

25:56bottom, Jamie. Sorry. Um but yeah,

25:58Neanderthal had it. Um and it's a uh

26:01again, it's from a lack of equilibrium.

26:03They say it's from the brain and the

26:04skull, not quite fitting.

26:06>> That makes sense.

26:07>> I think in South America, I think that

26:09they were mingling different bloodlines.

26:11them the the same as you can look at a

26:13guy that plays Reacher and tell that

26:15he's probably got more Neanderthal in

26:16him than I do. And they would mingle

26:18these bloodlines and then they would get

26:20all kinds of different Yeah, there's a

26:22Neanderthal one. Um they would get all

26:24kinds of different genetic variations.

26:26And I think some of these were bad, but

26:29some of them were honored. Like you've

26:31seen the jaguar people of the Mech.

26:34>> Okay. Um you ever seen uh could you pull

26:36up the the dental dysplasia one? The kid

26:38with the two fangs. There's there's

26:39dental things. It'll make you grow fangs

26:41as a child. And it also quite often will

26:43give you a hair lip. Jaguar.

26:47>> Whoa. And so like if you look Yeah.

26:53And so like

26:54>> what do you think that's from?

26:56>> Again, this is from

26:57>> Is that some ancient [ __ ] where people

26:58used to have teeth like that?

27:00>> It's it's DNA there. They again when we

27:02crossmingle DNA. Um there should be one

27:06uh right there about the mouths with the

27:08uh paper. Sorry, I have [snorts] to pull

27:09up the exact

27:10>> right. But those teeth, that's not in

27:12any other human primate that we've ever

27:14found.

27:15>> No, it's it happens in ours. But with

27:17>> So, it's just a mal foration.

27:18>> A malf for that. And we have a lot of

27:19that like the uh some people just keep

27:22growing teeth. Right.

27:23>> Right.

27:23>> Um you know, or you get different bones

27:26in the head. Um different shapes of the

27:28skull.

27:29>> I've seen the skulls, ancient skulls

27:31with rows of teeth.

27:32>> Yeah. Yeah. some of those um like they

27:35don't know for sure how many of those

27:37are legit, but the um there's there's

27:40definitely no question that these things

27:42happen. That's again the real problem

27:44with this is becomes a cover up. Like a

27:47little bit ago I mentioned that they

27:48were all these elongated schools in the

27:50Pacific Northwest. um Mount Coffin in

27:53Long View, Washington. When Colonel

27:56Charles Wilks or Lieutenant Charles

27:58Wils, whose father happened to be a

28:00member of the Skull and Bone Society in

28:02England, when he got to Long View,

28:04Washington, he saw Mount Coffin, this

28:06place where they had these above ground

28:07burials, and there were 3,000 of them,

28:10all of them supposedly would have had

28:12elongated skulls because again, if you

28:14don't have an elongated skull in that

28:15neck of the woods, you weren't a

28:16freeborn person. And this was you had to

28:18be noble to be buried there. 3,000

28:21elongated skulls. When he left this

28:23campfire accidentally burnt the place

28:24down, all those skulls disappeared. Um,

28:27that image that he Jamie skipped past a

28:29little bit goes just a dude sitting on

28:31pile of bones. This is an Indian burial

28:33ground and they were just looting the

28:35things and selling them left and right.

28:37>> Where do you think those things are?

28:38>> In people's house, people's hands.

28:40>> Well, I've never heard of a story of a

28:42person having an elongated skull in

28:44their private collection. I have a

28:45couple of people that have commented on

28:46my videos saying like, "I saw one at so

28:48and so's house in 1978, but

28:50>> but here but I'll give you the smoking

28:52gun though, right? If you're like some

28:54Rockefeller type guy, you got a mansion

28:56in Rhode Island."

28:57>> It's funny you brought up Rockefeller in

28:59the 30s when T down in Paracas, he he

29:02starts putting out, hey, we've got these

29:04elongated skulls down there and I need

29:06money. He was getting $300 a year to

29:08take care of them. Rockefeller gets wind

29:10and history says flat out he took an

29:12unexpected trip to Peru. He dropped

29:15three grand and walked back with four

29:17bundles. Now according to

29:19>> that's it. Three grand.

29:21>> Yeah. And four four grave bundles.

29:23That's 10 times what Tel was getting a

29:24year. 10 times what the guy was getting

29:26a year to take care of all of them. He

29:27coughs up four out of like 300 bundles.

29:29Now those four bundles were supposedly

29:32displayed at the Met. Supposedly

29:33displayed at the National History Museum

29:35in New York. No photos exist. No

29:36drawings exist. They may have been

29:39repatriated. They may not have been

29:40repatriated. Depends on who you ask. The

29:42AI will run you in a damn circle of

29:44going with it. At the end of the day, we

29:47don't know which four they what they

29:49look like. But I can tell you this much.

29:51There's about 300 of those bundles to

29:53pick from. Do you think Rockefell if one

29:54of them had great big old devil horns

29:56and a third eye, do you think

29:57Rockefeller left it or took it with him?

29:59Did [ __ ] no-brainer [ __ ] Right.

30:01Right.

30:01>> So, the best of the best always gone.

30:04And as soon when Rockefeller found out

30:06that he couldn't go get the ones in the

30:07Pacific Northwest anymore, but there was

30:09some somewhere else, he ran there. And

30:10right [snorts] now, you sent me the

30:12video just a little bit ago. But this is

30:13more there. These skulls are

30:15disappearing off the shelves in the

30:17museums right now.

30:18>> Yeah.

30:18>> Right as we speak. This this cover up.

30:20There's this cover up. You I'm sure

30:23you've seen the map. Um it a 100 years

30:26ago they wrote drew a map of artificial

30:28cranial deformation and then like 10

30:30years ago they made another one. both of

30:31these on peer-reviewed papers and the

30:34older map has more information. There's

30:36more the more areas they've erased. The

30:38island of Newi had it. Ancient Hawaiian

30:42people had about 8.9% of them that they

30:44dig up had elongated skulls. Nobody

30:46[ __ ] talks about that. Nobody knows

30:47about it. If you want to go look at it,

30:49the answer is no.

30:50>> When you say ancient, like what year?

30:52>> Not sure. But when they dig them up and

30:54they start doing at prehistoric they

30:56call it, but prehistoric in Hawaii, you

30:58know, maybe a thousand years ago.

31:00>> Wow. So this is all over the world

31:02people are doing that. Well yeah that

31:04what you're saying about the brain size

31:07and the the base of the brain completely

31:09makes sense.

31:10>> Thank you. I I mean to me it seems like

31:11the most smoke and it not only does it

31:13smoking gun it's like it coincides with

31:15human evolution because what would be

31:18imagine you've got a Neanderthal and a

31:20homo sapiion and they're talking to each

31:22other trying to figure out a problem and

31:24they both walk away from that with like

31:26mad respect for the other person's

31:27ability to see what they don't. wouldn't

31:30they want to mingle that?

31:33So like uh Jamie, could you pull that

31:35picture that I got of the uh that family

31:37tree? Um it's just it's like an empty

31:41blank white family tree and then right

31:42after it's the like imagine if you were

31:44trying to make a symbol to tell

31:46everybody, hey, this is where we mingle

31:47bloodlines. So like this is a standard

31:49kind of thing, right? And could you pull

31:51up that condalabra next? should be like

31:55>> um sorry

31:58>> uh that same symbol basically with the

32:02condal labra of the Andes you've seen

32:04that right the

32:06condal labra of the Andes is visible 12

32:08miles out to sea okay um

32:12if you think we're trying to draw the

32:15draw we're trying to draw the mingling

32:17of of bloodlines and here's a symbol of

32:19where we're doing it [ __ ] doesn't I

32:22mean does that kind of look uncanny. And

32:24then could you pull up that Paracus

32:25textile, Jamie? This one even wore. This

32:28is when they buried people in paracus.

32:31This was they'd put them in these

32:32textiles. And this one textile. Look,

32:35they're back. They look at what that try

32:37to translate that and keep in mind what

32:39I was just telling you. Okay. It looks

32:41like a monkey on either side and then a

32:44person in the middle. And it looks like

32:46there's some sort of a transference of

32:48something through the top of their

32:50heads. Well, that's upside down.

32:52>> Yeah, that's upside down. Well, there's

32:55first of all, it looks like they did

32:56DMT.

32:57>> Well, clearly

32:58>> it looks like they

32:59>> This is Hours of Iawaska right there,

33:01buddy.

33:01>> 100% they were on DMT. Um, but that does

33:04look like two monkeys, right? It looks

33:06like they have tails,

33:08>> doesn't it?

33:08>> Yeah, it does.

33:09>> And then the one in the middle looks

33:11like the bad [ __ ] That's the

33:12boss.

33:13>> That's pregnant.

33:14>> I've met that guy before. [laughter]

33:16>> You have?

33:17>> I have. I met that guy. I met that guy

33:19over there. But you see that notice in

33:22the middle of the thing, he's got a

33:23something in his tummy.

33:24>> Uhhuh.

33:25>> Um I mean, if you think about the same

33:28line of reasoning, we're mixing

33:30different blood lines to make something

33:31more. That image kind of seems to

33:34>> Also, they always have three fingers and

33:36three toes. And then you get to the

33:38tridactyl mummies.

33:40>> I do. Yeah, look at the monkeys. I don't

33:42know what to think about the tridactyl

33:44mummies.

33:45>> Neither do I. It's honestly like um I'm

33:48of the opinion now that I think that the

33:50genetic stuff they were doing in South

33:52America down in Peru created a lot of

33:55artificial created a lot of natural

33:57weird problems and some of them would be

34:01um like misshapen skulls and then I

34:03think they would wrap the heads to

34:04artificially modify them and I think

34:06that's why down there they get so crazy

34:08looking is because it's a combination of

34:10genetics and of artificially playing

34:12with it. Okay.

34:14>> The rest of the world, they don't get

34:16that con.

34:16>> So, do you think maybe they had like a

34:18bulbous roundish head but extra large?

34:20Because there's those skulls as well

34:22that seem to be not deformed, but they

34:24do have a larger brain capacity.

34:26>> Yeah. Though the ones that are bulbous

34:27in the back, those are um that's the

34:29most common type of cranial deformation

34:32that you see. It's what um conly skull,

34:35the chief that I was showing you. Um

34:38it's uh Can you pull that one up,

34:39please, Jamie? Sorry.

34:40>> So, bulbous in the back. Bulbous. Yeah.

34:43That's huge. Yeah. And that again that

34:45would keep it. And now notice even back

34:47a 100 years ago that picture that he was

34:48just showing that uh

34:51>> the other photograph. Why isn't his

34:53skull elongated?

34:54>> Well, it's hard to tell because he's

34:56looking straight on. It could be.

34:58>> All of the all of the artistic work of

35:00him is lacking that for some reason.

35:02>> Right. But couldn't you see that if some

35:05Well, that one looks pretty elongated.

35:07[laughter]

35:08>> God, go back to that. That's crazy.

35:10Imagine meeting those dudes. You'd be

35:11like, "Yo, what are you?"

35:14>> Check check.

35:15>> And look, they're doing it to the baby

35:16right there.

35:17>> Oh, the poor kid. [snorts] Oh, imagine

35:19being a baby. You're [ __ ] strapped

35:21into that thing.

35:22>> Oh, man. Dave's uh in this book here, it

35:24quotes from a book called A Story That

35:26Used to be Required Reading up where I

35:27live. And uh the guy that witnessed

35:30them, one of these kids being their

35:32headbinding, it said that their eyes

35:33bulged out of [snorts] their skull like

35:35a mouse caught in a trap.

35:37>> Oh my god. So when you think about that

35:39honestly, but if your kid was going to

35:41have migraines incessantly for the rest

35:43of their life, you might just do that

35:45anyway.

35:45>> Yeah, I guess they [clears throat] had

35:46to do it if you're right. If you're

35:48right about the base of the brain, which

35:50kind of tracks it,

35:51>> but it to me the the the capacity of the

35:56skulls being so much larger and some of

35:58the Peruvian skulls is weird.

36:00>> It is. It's a funny one, too, because

36:02these guys will argue back and forth.

36:04You'll get a lot of skeptics that say

36:05there is no larger capacity, but the

36:08guys that measure it claim that there

36:10is, and the other guys that measure it

36:12claim it's

36:12>> Well, that one that we always show all

36:14the time, Jamie, that one that I'm

36:15really fascinated by, that one image,

36:17it's so big. It's so big. It's so crazy.

36:20You're looking at it and you're like,

36:21"What is that?" That Imagine meeting

36:23that guy. You would be freaked out like

36:26that. That would not look at all like a

36:28person. You would think, "Oh my god,

36:29this guy's from another planet."

36:30>> Yeah. Like that guy. And then there's

36:32the sagittal suture thing that some of

36:35them don't have the sagittal suture that

36:37we have.

36:38>> Yeah, that's uh Yeah. Again, um these P

36:42>> Look at that head.

36:43>> Look at that head, man. Also, look at

36:45the size of the eye sockets.

36:47>> Yeah, it's it's

36:48>> the eye sockets are [ __ ] huge. That

36:50person must have insane eyeballs.

36:53Imagine what their eyes would look like

36:54when they're looking at you. I mean, how

36:56much bigger is that than a human's eye

36:58socket? It's so much bigger.

37:01That must have been a wild looking dude.

37:04Imagine bringing that guy over your

37:05house for a party. [laughter]

37:06Your friends be like, "Yo, who's the guy

37:09who keeps reading everybody's mind?"

37:11>> I know. No [ __ ] Now, I'm not playing.

37:13If you were playing trivia, he's on my

37:14team.

37:14>> That guy's the freakiest one, man. The

37:16one on the left. But what you're saying

37:18might be accurate, right? That that

37:20might have been a rounded thing that was

37:22manipulated to be a a flattened thing.

37:25>> Yeah, that's I I think that it was I

37:27think that it was partially natural.

37:29Like even the sagittal suture that um

37:31this is one of the things they find with

37:33Denise and Neanderthal DNA. That one on

37:36the right, is that real? This

37:38>> Yeah. Is that AI? Is that horseshit?

37:41That's [ __ ] real. [laughter]

37:43>> Come on, man. What are we looking at?

37:46And someone stole that. Someone's got

37:48that in their [ __ ]

37:50>> Rhode Island mansion.

37:51>> Of course.

37:51>> You know those uh Bronze Age or Gilded

37:54Age mansions that they have in Very

37:56weird, man. And I got into a a YouTube

37:58rabbit hole the other day of bronze or

38:01guilded age mansions. Oh boy.

38:02>> In Newport, Rhode Island where all these

38:05like [ __ ] super rich creepy people

38:08set up their castles.

38:10>> It's nuts, man. I guarantee if you get

38:12in the room, there's a [ __ ] glass box

38:15and inside of it there's one of these

38:16skulls. It looks like it's from another

38:18planet.

38:18>> But yeah, and and it's so it's weird to

38:21me that they're hiding all this. It's

38:22it's

38:23>> somebody's hiding all that. Well, it's

38:26it the maybe not just somebody, but

38:30there's definitely money behind it

38:31because it it happens like so fast and

38:34it hap like the the article I'll I I

38:37will link an article in a video and

38:39it'll be dead in two weeks and I'll have

38:40to go [ __ ] find like I've got three

38:42different ways to find this one thing

38:43right now and I've downloaded it because

38:45it's just keeps disappearing. It's the

38:47what talks about Rockefeller buying the

38:49skulls and it's just

38:51>> someone scrubbing the internet of the

38:52rockfeller scub.

38:55>> Oh, it still shows up. But

38:56>> you think it's because someone has them

38:57and they're like, "Shut up."

38:58>> I'm [ __ ] I'm 100% those school. Do you

39:01The history says that he either

39:02repatriated them or he left them in the

39:04museum and it's like it so and then I

39:06asked you asked, "Well, what's the

39:07catalog numbers?" Oh, well, there are no

39:09catalog numbers for human remains. Okay,

39:10[ __ ] you. I know better than that. It's

39:12it's and the ultimate what really gets

39:16me is is this. They give you the same

39:18excuse for Papa New Guinea as they do

39:19for China, as they do for Easter Island,

39:22as they do for Hawaii, as they do for

39:23the Pacific Northwest, as they do for

39:25Paracus. Well, it's about, you know,

39:28it's about like protecting the

39:29indigenous people's um beliefs and they

39:32they don't want you to have like their

39:33skulls because then that would be like

39:35you have part of their souls. It's like,

39:37okay, I can understand that some of them

39:38might think this way, but we got

39:40Menanites in Pennsylvania that don't

39:43believe that, and they're sitting right

39:44next door to their friends that do

39:46believe that. Um, how am I supposed to

39:48accept that the entire Pacific Rim

39:50[ __ ] all falls into line? We can't

39:52get them to do that same [ __ ] in

39:53Pennsylvania. I don't I don't buy it.

39:55This is This is a European thing. This

39:57isn't a This isn't an islander thing.

40:00This isn't a Polynesian thing that's

40:01covering these things up. These people

40:03are perfectly content to have their

40:04skulls displayed. as far as we can tell.

40:07But it's always some white dude going,

40:08"Oh, we gota we gotta hide those [ __ ]

40:10skulls because we got appeasy

40:14at the end of the day. Please put all

40:16your [ __ ] in in the in the museum so

40:18that we can keep a good eye on it for

40:20you. Can I see it? [ __ ] you. It's gone.

40:23[ __ ] you. It's gone. Try to find this

40:25online. You'll find an an image that

40:28says no image available that has a title

40:30and that's it. you. There was one, last

40:32I looked, there was one copy that was in

40:34a uh that was in a library in Malta.

40:38>> And you really think that's because

40:39someone's in possession of this stuff

40:40and they're trying to squash it?

40:42>> I think that there's a narrative there

40:43that people don't want pushed. I think

40:45that it might have something to do with

40:47um I mean, let's be honest, what I'm

40:50talking about when you start talking

40:51about mingling different bloodlines for

40:52different traits, this does sound

40:53awfully eugenics, right? This does sound

40:56like it's dipping your toes into this

40:58kind of politically incorrect stuff. But

41:00how is it eugenics if people just

41:02interbred?

41:03>> I if there was a I believe there was a

41:05program in Paracus like uh

41:07>> really could you pull up one of the

41:09pictures of the person presenting the

41:11when they would bring their jag there's

41:13there's when those jaguar babies right

41:16the the jaguar people in the mech

41:17society had the hair lip and the things

41:19like I was showing there's more than one

41:22statue of them presenting them. Here you

41:24go. Tada. Here's my baby. This baby's

41:27all [ __ ] mutilated. Not like me.

41:29Tada. There you go.

41:30>> That baby doesn't look mutilated,

41:32though.

41:32>> It's uh That's not a very good image,

41:34but yeah, it's

41:34>> Are there any That one doesn't look That

41:36one looks normal. It just looks like a

41:38mother with a baby.

41:38>> Well, you have to If you look at the top

41:40down, both of those, they have hair lips

41:42>> and they're missing the teeth. They're

41:44They are jaguar babies.

41:46>> Like that one, that last image. Yeah,

41:49>> that's a that's a trophy skull

41:53>> with a the only trophy skull known with

41:54a cleft lip. You know, if you were born

41:56with a cleft lip, even the Spanish

41:58recorded, if you were born with a cleft

42:00lip, uh, to their people, they would put

42:02you in a temple as part of the workers,

42:03you were considered holy. Six fingers

42:05was considered holy. Deformationations

42:07were considered holy.

42:09>> And this trophy skull, what is, what do

42:12you mean by that?

42:13>> I mean that this is like a mummified

42:15skull with a hole drilled in it. I wish

42:16I could get a real image, but this is

42:18the only one that exists. Is this

42:19>> So, somebody has that somewhere in the

42:21museum or

42:21>> Yeah. Or somewhere? Yeah,

42:23>> somewhere.

42:24[snorts] But yeah, there's there's a

42:26bunch of these trophy skulls that they

42:27kept down in South America. They would

42:30wear skulls on their belt. They didn't

42:32shrink them or nothing. They just drill

42:33a hole right in the [ __ ] thing and

42:34hang it right on their belt.

42:35>> Yeah. But that one was especially prized

42:38cuz that was a noble.

42:40>> You're walking around with a noble

42:41person's skull hanging from your belt.

42:43That's how they would wear them.

42:44>> I'm a badass.

42:45>> Wow.

42:46>> Yeah. That part of the world was never

42:48[snorts]

42:48>> So you think there's a potential that

42:51they were creating they were breeding

42:54people specifically.

42:56>> Yeah. I think that they would like pick

42:57pick bloodlines and be like, you know

42:58what, you look more like and you look

43:01more like and you need to have a baby

43:02together and then

43:04>> here's a baby.

43:05>> Oh, we got a good one. It's a jaguar.

43:08>> So what do you think the whole tridactyl

43:10thing is?

43:11>> I think some of the tridactyl mummies

43:13look fake as [ __ ] to me, just to be

43:14clear. the early the tiny ones

43:17>> the little the ones that look like cake

43:18>> but the ones that they do the cat scans

43:21of you're like wow you know

43:23>> and then you find out that they're like

43:24at least 1200 years old you're like are

43:26you telling me that 12200 years ago

43:28someone created this

43:30>> I think DNA would be a good way to to

43:33get into that to begin with because

43:35>> yeah I mean it's just weird that this is

43:38all going on and we don't have

43:39definitive answers and there's not also

43:41like a mad rush amongst scientists to

43:44discover. Are these two trophy skulls?

43:46>> Yeah. [laughter]

43:47>> Oh, this one just has a drill hole in

43:49the forehead and a rope attached to it.

43:51>> They didn't [ __ ] clown around

43:52>> with the skin on it and the hair. So,

43:55this person is just walking around with

43:56someone's head wrapped around their

43:59waist.

43:59>> The description I just read said they

44:00were most I mean, the ones that they

44:02found were young women,

44:04>> like 13 or 16 years old.

44:07>> But I don't know if that's what these

44:08are.

44:09>> One of them looks like a woman. The one

44:11on the right looks like a woman.

44:13kind of looks like.

44:14>> That's so crazy.

44:17>> But yeah, that's that's where things get

44:20so weird when you go back and you

44:22realize that entire cultures

44:25they they they engaged in ritual

44:27sacrifice at a mass scale like what the

44:31Aztecs did. They did wild mass sacrifice

44:34and they their their culture was so they

44:38it involved sacrifice so much that they

44:41would go out and get other people and c

44:44that's one of the reasons why Cortez was

44:46able to group all these other people to

44:47attack the Aztecs. Like these

44:48[ __ ] have been killing us

44:50ritually forever.

44:52>> Yeah, we're we're happy to kick these

44:53guys' ass. Oh wait, you're not going to

44:55help us out afterwards? [laughter]

44:57Oh, my one of my favorite stories about

44:59that afterwards is they're like, "Okay,

45:01we need all you guys to bring all your

45:02cotices here so that we can we can put

45:04them on these shelves." And so like all

45:06these Mesoamerican cotices show up and

45:08the Spanish fryer is like torch [ __ ]

45:11watched them all burn.

45:12>> Yeah.

45:12>> And there's like a handful left that

45:14exist now.

45:15>> I know.

45:15>> They just bought it like three years

45:17ago. They bought those ones from a

45:18family in Mexico that had had them for

45:20like 500 years. And one of them talks

45:22about the building of Teayoti Wakan.

45:24>> Whoa. And the Mexican government bought

45:26it for like 250 grand. It was like like

45:28I was telling Matt Bell and Matt Bell's

45:29like that's [ __ ] nothing.

45:31>> Is that a dope trophy?

45:32>> Some of these are [ __ ] sick.

45:34>> Ancestor chief skull. Wow.

45:36>> Hold on though. Wait till I get to some

45:37of these down here.

45:38>> Holy [ __ ]

45:41[clears throat]

45:41>> So now imagine this. These are crazy.

45:44>> Oh man. Are you sure they aren't from

45:45Hellraiser?

45:46>> This is like straight out of the

45:47Predator.

45:47>> Yeah. So these were found in Asia.

45:49>> What?

45:50>> My dear god. I don't this some of this

45:52looks almost like this is like from out

45:54of a movie set.

45:54>> Well, they've glued like tusks onto some

45:57of the skulls.

45:58>> What the hell is that?

45:59>> Whoa. Go back up a little bit.

46:03>> Well, that look like some of

46:04>> Yeah, that one on the right with the the

46:06horn coming out of his nose. What the

46:08>> human child trophy?

46:10>> Human child trophy skull. What the [ __ ]

46:14man?

46:15>> How did I never hear about this before?

46:17Well, how about the one with the

46:18headsets on? That one's got [laughter]

46:20headphones on.

46:21>> That's I almost

46:25>> What the [ __ ] man?

46:27>> Why Why does it say info email? Are you

46:29selling these?

46:29>> That's Yeah, I mean I I stumbled across

46:31something here. It does say art

46:33>> art tribal art Asia, which is doing some

46:36weird [ __ ] But

46:37>> yeah, that actually doesn't look like a

46:38skull. That looks like it's carved out

46:40of wood. Like the nose part, it's all

46:42filled in.

46:43>> You imagine if they [clears throat] you

46:44found out there was a website you could

46:45just order trophy skulls.

46:46>> That's what I was I did. I was finding

46:49recreated ones on uh Etsy that people

46:52are making.

46:54[cough and clears throat]

46:55>> Oh,

46:55>> it says it's a replica.

46:57>> Lord,

46:57>> but

46:59>> what kind of a [ __ ] Etsy person

47:01>> made by monster? That's the kind of

47:02person. [laughter]

47:06>> It's like I ain't even trying to hide

47:07it. [ __ ] I'm a monster.

47:08>> [ __ ] dude with an [laughter] Etsy

47:10page of just skulls. That's wild,

47:13>> boy. But you know, even uh some of these

47:16ch heads have hair lips.

47:19>> Like I got a a picture saved on one of

47:21those that has it. It was And again, if

47:25uh you mingle Neanderthal or Denise DNA

47:29with human DNA, this is a thing is you

47:31end up with facial deformations

47:33including hairlets.

47:34>> I think it's real, bro.

47:35>> What?

47:36>> Early 20th century diiacinized

47:39trophy skull and it's got a name. It

47:41costs a lot of money and they say where

47:44it came from.

47:45>> You could buy that.

47:46>> Yeah.

47:47>> Talking about

47:48>> plug in for the price. [clears throat]

47:50>> Do you think that Can you imagine if we

47:52had a [ __ ] skull, human skull on the

47:55desk? That's too creepy.

47:56>> That is

47:56>> cuz we don't know how the guy died or

47:58the woman died.

47:59>> A private collection from Thousand Oaks,

48:00California.

48:01>> Wow. See how many private collections

48:03are out there. I was telling

48:04>> See if you can find elongated skull for

48:06sale.

48:06>> I was telling you about how I got here,

48:08honestly. [laughter]

48:09I was looking. I was telling you about

48:11that Chief Connley.

48:13He was a huge friend to the honks that

48:16came through that area. He he married

48:18off his daughters to fur trappers. He

48:20cried when they moved the fort 30 miles

48:21away. He was like he was a bunch of

48:24braves came up and said, "We're going to

48:25go kill all these white guys." He's

48:26like, "Hey, hey, hey, do you know see

48:28how tight their tightly woven their

48:29cloth is? Do you see how strong their

48:31weapons are? Do you see any of their

48:32kids or their women? Do you think this

48:34is all they're capable of or do you

48:35think they're going to bring more to

48:36bear when they bring their families with

48:37them? Let's not [ __ ] with these guys."

48:39He was really shrewd and smart. He died

48:42three years later. Some British dude

48:44chopped his [ __ ] head off. They

48:45actually had hit him. They instead of

48:46these above above ground canoe burials,

48:48they'd hit him because they knew. Dude

48:50chops his head off, ships the skull back

48:52to England. And it wasn't until this

48:53this came out five years after they'd

48:55repatriated the skull to the Chinuk

48:58people.

48:59>> But yeah, they actually carved on the

49:00back of his [ __ ] head even like um

49:05Yeah. Here, Chief Conley. We Here's his

49:07skull. And here's a friend says,

49:09>> if you can't see it, they engraved that

49:12on the back of his skull.

49:14>> Oh my god.

49:15>> It's like so horrific. And uh like so

49:20you can see why the Smithsonian might be

49:21a little hardressed in letting this

49:23stuff out. But um

49:25>> well well the the Provian skulls though,

49:28do do like when you you look at them and

49:30you look at the monster rod, do you

49:32think there's more to this story? Is it

49:35is this as simple as cranial deformation

49:39plus uh they do it on purpose or is

49:42there a potential for a different

49:44species of human that live there?

49:46>> There's almost certainly in my opinion a

49:48different species is human that live

49:50there and I mean even you know I'm not

49:51into the ancient alien stuff but in all

49:53honesty I wouldn't be if if there was

49:56aliens intermingling with humans this

49:58would probably be the best smoking gun

50:00place for it. There's also all the

50:01evidence that they were building art

50:03that you could only see from the sky.

50:04>> Exactly.

50:05>> Which is really weird.

50:06>> Which is really weird. And um even

50:08things like uh like that condalabra of

50:11the Andes that I was that's visible

50:13again 12 miles out to sea. Easter

50:15Island's close enough. Imagine the guys

50:17jumping down from right here from

50:18Portland, Oregon. Just jumping down the

50:20coast to Paracas.

50:21>> Where were you drawn the conclusion that

50:23that represents genetic engineering? I I

50:26wouldn't have drawn it to begin with,

50:27but it looks like a family tree and it's

50:29like with everything else lined up all

50:31of a sudden it's like, well, I mean, if

50:32you're trying to say, "Hey guys, this is

50:34where we do this. What symbol would you

50:36use?"

50:37>> Right?

50:37>> And that's where, okay, if again, if

50:39this was in a vacuum, this that's not

50:41how I got there. This is this is kind of

50:43the icing on the cake is the paracas

50:45condalabra and that uh that textile

50:47thing. The honest to god evidence is I

50:49mean there's a lot of papers that a

50:51handful of papers that I've got

50:52screenshots of there but you pick your

50:54genetic deformation and then Google it

50:57with denis or neanderthol and almost

50:59guar [ __ ] teed hydrophilis that big

51:02skull thing that I showed there you see

51:03some few of those in paracus with those

51:05great big things hydrophilis is

51:07something that's they is the frequency

51:09is increased when you mingle denisven or

51:12neanderthol DNA it's constant issue

51:15>> that candalabra image does that image

51:18appear in other areas?

51:20>> It actually does. Crazily enough, it

51:22appears in Easter Island on skulls that

51:26are carved with that same image.

51:29>> Wow.

51:30>> I I I didn't put any in the file, but

51:32I've got them in a a video. There's two

51:34of them that they have. One is like a

51:36straight line, and then one's like a

51:38birdman kind of. It's But it's the same

51:39image. It's the same.

51:40>> When you say skull, do you mean human?

51:42>> I mean, a deceated like those we were

51:44just looking at. So, a dead human that

51:46has that on their head

51:47>> that they scratched it in afterwards

51:49like that. There's a the par the uh

51:52Easter Island had elongated skulls, but

51:55almost all of those are gone. Um they're

51:58and they're hard to find images of, like

51:59impossible, but they do have these. Um

52:02and they were like they would do artwork

52:04on skulls after they would die. And a

52:06few of them do strongly resemble the

52:08condol.

52:10>> And is that condol is that anywhere else

52:13down there? Is it aware of?

52:16>> Not that I've seen.

52:16>> Can I see that again, please? The

52:18candalabra, cuz uh the family tree

52:22thing, it's like is it the same

52:26configuration on the Easter Island

52:28heads? Um or is it similar? The uh it's

52:33it's not identical, but it's really

52:35what? Look for uh Easter Island modified

52:38skull, Jamie, and that'll probably pull

52:39up the uh it'll be a paper. I doubt

52:41you'll find it. Uh,

52:44I doubt you'll find it in the images

52:46section, but if you click all, there

52:48should be a paper that the um, yeah,

52:51maybe you have to go to Google Scholar

52:53to find it. I apologize, but uh,

52:55>> it's okay.

52:57>> Yeah, they've there is there's artwork

52:59on these things and a handful of them

53:01that is uh,

53:03>> I'll find something here.

53:05>> There's artwork on a few on two of them

53:07in particular that's got that that same

53:09fork symbol. And one of them they they

53:12call a bird that a bird man. There we

53:14go. Bam. There's the bird man.

53:17>> And then they're on the same page. You

53:18should see. Good job, Jamie. You're a

53:19[ __ ] pimp. See, they did a bunch of

53:22art on these skulls, but two of them

53:24have that same symbol.

53:28Do they show that here?

53:29>> They're right there.

53:33>> It's got that thing similar.

53:35>> Super similar.

53:36>> Yeah. They're not identical for sure,

53:38but it's it does have the same three

53:41things forking together to make.

53:42>> So, it's just a theory that that's the

53:44tree of life

53:46>> or that the family tree rather.

53:47>> Yeah. No, that's totally again that that

53:50the family tree thing is completely uh

53:53completely my thing. Um I'm way

53:56>> this one represents a penis entering a

53:58vulva

53:58>> right in the back of his head.

54:00>> He drew it on his head. That guy was

54:01like the earliest bad tattoo art ever.

54:04[laughter]

54:05Maybe they were honoring person's

54:06ability to deep throat

54:08>> this far back.

54:09>> [ __ ] gave you skull. You knew it.

54:11[laughter]

54:12>> X marks the spot.

54:14>> But yeah, again I the this the imagery

54:16and stuff. I can't be 100%. All right. I

54:18mean, you can never be 100% of this

54:20stuff. But the genetic

54:23those wormian bones I showed you on the

54:24back, they call them Inca bones for a

54:26reason because they show up in the Inca.

54:28They the Incas have a higher the South

54:30American and Peru, they have a higher

54:32instance of cleft pallets. They have a

54:33higher instance of polyactyl. They have

54:35just pick your [ __ ] thing that's in

54:37line with all this and it it happens

54:38more there than it does almost anywhere

54:40else in the world. And then when you see

54:42everything else, the elongated skulls

54:44that frankly beggared belief um imagery

54:48and stuff that seems to the way that

54:51they praised genetic deformations. It

54:54seems almost unthinkable they wouldn't

54:57be trying to imagine if everybody in

54:59your society praised kids that were

55:00looked a certain way. Wouldn't you

55:02necess I mean wouldn't some people want

55:03to have kids that look that way?

55:05>> Right. And there was probably some

55:06benefit that also came with that.

55:08>> Exactly. I mean again an intellect

55:10>> they went well something

55:12>> even if it was just a social even the

55:14kid could be think about this one person

55:17born with those weird teeth and a cleft

55:19pallet that's also a little Einsteiny.

55:21Oh it takes one from every now on it's

55:23like you this guy looks like Einstein.

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56:57started wearing the big wigs.

56:58>> Exactly. Exactly.

57:00>> It just took that one royal family with

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57:06>> That's that isn't that it's got to we

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57:16higher classification of a person who is

57:19born with other human DNA that's given

57:22them specific traits. But the thing

57:25about the monsterat stuff and that

57:27doesn't seem like a human the if the if

57:30that's real the three fingers and the

57:32three toes and don't they have extra

57:35ribs?

57:35>> Yeah,

57:36>> something like that or extra vertebrae

57:38>> that

57:38>> the size of the head. The whole thing

57:40looks so weird. You're like, "Okay, is

57:43if this really has been carbon dated to

57:4512,200 years ago, if that's legit, what

57:48is that?" Because that I don't think

57:50that 1,200 years ago people were capable

57:52of recreating something like that that's

57:54going to survive at a CAT scan.

57:56>> Why would [snorts] you do the kind of

57:58work that they did that you can only see

58:00from a CAT scan? Because the entire

58:02outside of it is covered. Yeah.

58:04>> Right. It's got the the the white clay

58:07and it's all mummified and there's

58:09tissue that's mummified.

58:11Yeah. How? No, that's I

58:13>> How the [ __ ] did you do that?

58:14>> That's a very that's I mean that's

58:15that's a good point. And again that uh

58:20the the one gene that's responsible for

58:22polyactyli when they they uh in mice

58:26when they introduced it to the the GLI3

58:30variant that happens in Denise and

58:32Neanderthal in mice caused extra ribs,

58:34extra vertebrae, skull misshapen, dental

58:37morphology [ __ ] up, and sometimes

58:40extra fingers. Sometimes good extra

58:41fingers, sometimes bad extra fingers.

58:43>> Did the mice figure out how to get out

58:44of the cage? I don't think so.

58:46>> They start get really smart. [laughter]

58:48You start leaving notes.

58:49>> Pink scratch notes in the window. Let me

58:51out.

58:52>> Pinky, today we conquer the world.

58:54[laughter]

58:55>> Well, do you think the Smithsonian has

58:58had giant bones?

59:01>> Yes. I not only that, but this is funny.

59:03When I was here last time, I would have

59:04I would have told you. I don't think so.

59:06I mean, maybe 6'5, but I've done a lot

59:09of research in it since then. [ __ ]

59:11Okay. One dude who I'm sure I'll get his

59:13name wrong. His name was Als Hyda. He

59:15was a guy from Hungary who was a medical

59:18doctor. He had this theory that's a lot

59:21like uh the same theory of frenology

59:24like uh Leonardo DiCaprio poking on the

59:26back of the skull. Boy, that makes you

59:27docel.

59:28>> Um except for it was all-encompassing

59:31with the skeleton. He believed that you

59:32could do it with arms and bone arm bones

59:34and leg bones and all of it.

59:36>> So he left medical science to become an

59:40anthropologist to push that narrative.

59:42He [ __ ] said it point blank. And then

59:44he goes out and says, "Oh, all these

59:46Indian bones that you guys have that are

59:48bigger than white people bones." Didn't

59:51happen. This guy's got a vested interest

59:54in proving that white people are

59:56superior. And that he believes that you

59:58prove this by the skeletons. And he

1:00:00comes out and debunks all the giant

1:00:01bones. And the way he did it, he's like,

1:00:03"Oh, see these bones? These aren't giant

1:00:04bones." It's like, "Dude, that's Yeah.

1:00:06When I get pulled over by the cop, I

1:00:07pull out the I don't have any drugs on

1:00:09me, officer. See, these are cigarettes."

1:00:10What year was this again?

1:00:12>> Uh 1930s.

1:00:13>> And there are there images of these

1:00:15bones this guy's displaying? [laughter]

1:00:18>> Very very little. It's almost all of

1:00:19this has just been scrubbed. It's So

1:00:21what was he saying those bones were?

1:00:23>> He was just saying that he said that

1:00:25people mis mismeasured them. This is

1:00:27where it gets really really ugly. It's

1:00:30he accuses people. Some of these guys

1:00:32were really good at their job and he'll

1:00:34accuse them of mismeasuring them and not

1:00:35knowing how to properly apply a tape

1:00:38measure. And the worst example of this

1:00:40in 1959, 20 years after this dude's done

1:00:43this, one of the dude in charge of the

1:00:45department of the humanities at the

1:00:46Carnegie Museum, Dr. Don Doo, dug up in

1:00:49one of these Adena mounds a a skeleton

1:00:52and he says according to the inground

1:00:55measurements, this indicates an

1:00:56individual that in life would have been

1:00:587 foot 3 in tall.

1:01:01They debunk it by saying, well, this is

1:01:02just an ingground measurement. This is

1:01:04just it's it has he didn't do any other

1:01:07uh any other work with it or anything.

1:01:08It's like the man flat out said it

1:01:10indicates he was is 1959 15 years after

1:01:13they had all the mathematical formula

1:01:15for doing skeletons. This guy they threw

1:01:18him straight under the [ __ ] bus to

1:01:19debunk that skeleton that you can't find

1:01:21anywhere because they won't show it to

1:01:23you. So it it's like and this was in 59

1:01:26again and and a guy in charge of a big

1:01:28department of the Carnegie Museum, not

1:01:30Dan digging in the backyard. So

1:01:32>> is there a chain of custody of that

1:01:35skeleton? Like can that be traced?

1:01:37>> Un all the way to the Carnegie Museum

1:01:40where we don't know what happened to it

1:01:41now. This is this is a consistent issue

1:01:44with these remains. If it's a giant bone

1:01:47or an elongated skull and you want to

1:01:49know more about it, real good chance

1:01:50you're not going to be able to find

1:01:52anything. So what do you think was going

1:01:55on? Do you think there was a completely

1:01:57different species of enormous people?

1:02:00>> Maybe. or maybe even just some of us

1:02:02that had the different just some some

1:02:04different DNA in us than somebody else,

1:02:06you know, just a little bit of, you

1:02:07know, I mean, honestly,

1:02:08>> the six finger, six toe thing

1:02:11>> keeps coming up.

1:02:12>> Yeah, that's um again, you know, we get

1:02:14that now with just a little bit in

1:02:15Neanderthal DNA, right? So, you get

1:02:18different species that had more Denisven

1:02:20in them than us and still technically

1:02:22might be the same species, but not

1:02:24>> Do you think it's possible that these

1:02:26giants were Denos Denosovvens?

1:02:29It's possible

1:02:30>> because Dennis Hovvens were a lot larger

1:02:31than us, right?

1:02:32>> Yeah. At least six inches, I say. Yeah.

1:02:34>> And if you had a big one, like there's

1:02:36Shaq, right? And there's me, you know

1:02:39what I mean? Like if you have a really

1:02:41big one, like isn't it possible that

1:02:43there's a range of even those things?

1:02:46Like we only have a couple bones, right?

1:02:49And I think there's something that just

1:02:51came out from China about Homo

1:02:54Juluencis,

1:02:56you know, that they think it might be

1:02:58Dennis Oven that it might be the same

1:03:00thing, right?

1:03:01>> Yeah. Dragon Man, the same thing. That's

1:03:03been out for a little bit now. But yeah,

1:03:04they're

1:03:05>> there was something that was like super

1:03:06recent where they were proposing cuz I

1:03:08think they're trying to figure out what

1:03:10what we're talking about, but we were

1:03:12talking about it from just a couple of

1:03:13bones. There's not a lot of It's not

1:03:15like they had a whole graveyard filled

1:03:17of Denosovvens with various heights and

1:03:19weights and they can get an estimation

1:03:20of like what the medium was.

1:03:22>> Oh yeah. The vast majority of what we

1:03:24know about them comes from DNA,

1:03:25>> right?

1:03:26>> Vast majority.

1:03:27>> Yeah. So we have a few bones.

1:03:29>> Yeah.

1:03:30>> But then it's like how big how big were

1:03:33they? Like is this a 12 foot tall

1:03:35person? Is that real?

1:03:36>> They Well,

1:03:37>> there's five foot tall people and

1:03:38there's nine foot tall people. Exactly.

1:03:39>> What's the tallest person today? Like 8

1:03:41foot

1:03:43>> alive now? I'm not sure, but like Robert

1:03:44Wadllo was like,

1:03:45>> but he he had like a real problem.

1:03:47>> Yeah. Oh, yeah.

1:03:47>> Yeah. Giant gigantism. That's like a a

1:03:50tumor on the pituitary gland.

1:03:52>> Yeah. You just keep on growing.

1:03:53>> Yeah.

1:03:53>> Um but I think that just for just an

1:03:56outsized enormous person, I think the

1:03:59record today is like, okay, 8 foot 2.8

1:04:02in in 2011. Yo, Sultan Cosen of Turkey.

1:04:08Okay,

1:04:09come on, man. Guy lives in Turkey,

1:04:12[laughter] which is like the one of the

1:04:13oldest DNAs in the world. Where golet

1:04:15tap is how is this guy a giant?

1:04:18>> Holy crap.

1:04:19>> The size of that guy.

1:04:21>> Holy.

1:04:21>> What does he look like when he's

1:04:22standing up? Put him over there. Okay.

1:04:25And he doesn't even look like he has

1:04:27gigantism.

1:04:29>> Does he?

1:04:30>> I don't know.

1:04:31>> He just looks like a giant dude. He

1:04:33doesn't have like a misshaped head or

1:04:34anything like that.

1:04:38Um, either way,

1:04:40>> pretty impressive.

1:04:41>> Now imagine

1:04:43is that is that a gene thing? Like is

1:04:45that is that capable of being

1:04:48is that old? Is that some old DNA from

1:04:52some other kind of human or is that just

1:04:55a really big person?

1:04:57>> That's a different guy right here.

1:04:59>> That's a different guy. That's a guy in

1:05:00China, right?

1:05:00>> I think so.

1:05:02>> And these six finger, six toes once. Is

1:05:04that ubiquitous? Is that does that occur

1:05:07in all of the reports of these bodies?

1:05:09>> No, it doesn't. Um, some of them have uh

1:05:11the two rows of teeth. Some of them have

1:05:13six six fingers and six toes. What is

1:05:16like I got pretty skeptical about

1:05:18because there's a lot of giant reports

1:05:19in America where people were digging up

1:05:21mounds. And so I got kind of skeptical

1:05:22about who I was taking it from like you

1:05:25know Joe Farmer. I just was like okay,

1:05:27you know, maybe not. But if the guy was

1:05:29like some of these guys were really good

1:05:30at at what they did and they say they

1:05:32recorded something and it was so there's

1:05:35probably a dozen solid accounts that are

1:05:37from people that weren't [ __ ]

1:05:39artists that had more to lose than they

1:05:41did to gain and some of them were two of

1:05:43them in particular are like good

1:05:46scientists like well-known

1:05:48anthropologists respected in their field

1:05:50and they were finding giant bones and

1:05:52even today like that guy that I told you

1:05:53about Dr. Dandre goo there is a an

1:05:56anthropologist right now that her like

1:05:58two or three years ago she debunked his

1:05:59work by claiming that he just did an

1:06:02ingground measurement and that was it.

1:06:03And it's like he clearly said this

1:06:06indicates an individual that was this

1:06:07tall in life. It's like I did a

1:06:09measurement on this and it indicates

1:06:10that's clearly telling you I didn't just

1:06:12take a dead measurement and they just

1:06:14throw his ass right under the [ __ ]

1:06:15bus in order to keep this narrative

1:06:17going. And that's where it's weird to me

1:06:19because I don't think Flint Dibble and

1:06:22all of his friends give two shits about

1:06:25the giant narrative like Rockefeller

1:06:27does. I think it's way more of an ego

1:06:30thing with them because archaeology is

1:06:32not a [ __ ] science, Joe. Not even

1:06:34close. It functions like a science like

1:06:36religion does. So these guys, they all

1:06:38know it. They know they're laring as

1:06:40scientists. They know that when they

1:06:41call us science deniers, they're full of

1:06:43[ __ ] So they just have the only thing

1:06:44they can do is puff their chest because

1:06:46>> well some of it is science right?

1:06:47>> Well some sure some of it is but let me

1:06:49let me put it to you like this.

1:06:49>> So why why are you saying

1:06:51>> archaeology is a study of human culture

1:06:53by material remains. Okay now science

1:06:57the cornerstone of science is

1:06:58replicability. Um arguably if I combine

1:07:03hydrogen and oxygen and you combine

1:07:04hydrogen we should get the same thing.

1:07:06Now, if I dig up something in my

1:07:08backyard,

1:07:10can you replicate that? Or are you

1:07:12beholding to what if Joseph Smith digs

1:07:14up gold plates and I dig up an

1:07:17arrowhead? You believe one and not the

1:07:18other,

1:07:19>> right? But you can put protocols in

1:07:20place where you have a bunch of people

1:07:22that are all responsible for making sure

1:07:24that everything goes according to plan

1:07:25and they all report to someone else.

1:07:28>> But but how is it replicable? Well, it's

1:07:31not replicable, but they are exposing

1:07:34these ancient remains and they are using

1:07:38>> Well, you can use some scientific

1:07:40>> carbonating.

1:07:41>> Absolutely. They're using physics there.

1:07:42That's physics, right?

1:07:44>> Um that's that's what it really comes

1:07:45down to. Um

1:07:47>> fundamentally, archaeology cannot be

1:07:51scienced any more than theology.

1:07:53Fundamentally, a miracle, you either

1:07:55believe or you don't. I dug up something

1:07:56in my backyard. You either believe it or

1:07:58you don't. You can't replicate either

1:07:59one of these things,

1:08:00>> right? You can film people pulling

1:08:02things out of the ground. You can prove

1:08:04that it's old. You can you can but

1:08:07there's a lot of instances where like

1:08:09they're doing a construction dig in

1:08:10Mexico City and they find like stone,

1:08:13they stop construction, archaeologists

1:08:15come in. Like there's a whole chain of

1:08:17custody of where this stuff's coming

1:08:19from.

1:08:19>> Absolutely.

1:08:20>> So, isn't that kind of scientific?

1:08:22>> Kind of. I mean,

1:08:24again, okay, there's a chain of custody

1:08:26on the Epstein letters, right?

1:08:28[laughter]

1:08:29>> Right. But at point it falls apart

1:08:31because of do you believe or do you not?

1:08:34That's what it really comes down to with

1:08:35archaeology is I can't replicate the

1:08:38findings. And if you can't replicate

1:08:40that, I'm not saying it's worthless,

1:08:42>> right?

1:08:42>> A historian knows better than to call

1:08:44themselves a scientist. They know it's

1:08:45not. They use scientific methods.

1:08:49A video game speedrunner, if you know

1:08:51what that is, somebody who's trying to

1:08:52like beat Super Mario Brothers, they use

1:08:54science.

1:08:54>> So you'll put an archaeologist more in

1:08:56the line of a historian.

1:08:58>> Absolutely. Well, yeah, they are. They

1:09:00>> both of them call somebody else when it

1:09:03comes time to carbon date. You know,

1:09:05it's they the the

1:09:07again the rep the the reproducibility is

1:09:10crucial. And like the argument that they

1:09:12always go to is well like well astronomy

1:09:14is not reproducible. If you have a

1:09:16supernova, you can't reproduce that.

1:09:18Well, yeah, except I have a hundred

1:09:19telescopes all trained on it. So this

1:09:21guy's data set and that guy's data set

1:09:23j. It's been reproduced. If I've got one

1:09:27arrowhead to dug up out of the ground,

1:09:29we either believe that this dude dug up

1:09:31the arrow head out of the ground or we

1:09:32don't. And this especially matters when

1:09:34it becomes to these unique one-off

1:09:35finds. Um it's one thing when it's an

1:09:38arrowhead, it's another thing altogether

1:09:39when it's the anti mechanism,

1:09:41>> right?

1:09:41>> And so this is where our archaeology

1:09:43becomes some people you could understand

1:09:46why somebody might believe the

1:09:47anti-kisser mechanism is [ __ ] And

1:09:49at that point it's this it goes directly

1:09:52what I'm saying. It's faith-based. Do

1:09:54does this does this coincide with my

1:09:55worldview or not? Which is why

1:09:57archaeology is like this huge split um

1:10:01between these people that the guys that

1:10:04are that are trying to puff their chests

1:10:07and say that it really is what they

1:10:09claim it to be. And then there's the

1:10:10people that are actually just doing good

1:10:11work and they'll be quick to tell you,

1:10:13you know, at the end of the day, our

1:10:14results aren't, you know, we do science

1:10:16where we can, but we can't say for sure

1:10:19that our results are scientific because

1:10:21we're it's a lot of guesswork at the

1:10:23end. And that becomes a problem when

1:10:26they do things like Clovis first when

1:10:28they're like, we're going to use our

1:10:29science to beat everything else off the

1:10:31table. It's not [ __ ] science, [ __ ]

1:10:34So get it out of here. And that's where

1:10:36uh yeah, the same thing like I was

1:10:37saying earlier with the co thing. You

1:10:39don't get to too many of us know what

1:10:41the scientific method is for you just to

1:10:43come in here and tell us it's something

1:10:44else. You [ __ ]

1:10:45>> Well, when Dibble was trying to deny

1:10:46that they did that, like deny that

1:10:49archaeologists will attack people that

1:10:51have evidence of something that

1:10:53contradicts their assertions.

1:10:56Like that's crazy to deny. There's so

1:10:58much history of that.

1:11:01He called it what's so funny when you

1:11:03during that debate he he tells you when

1:11:05you're pushing on him like that he goes

1:11:07well that's an example of an academic

1:11:09debate those things happen it's like

1:11:10dude okay that same guy I was telling

1:11:13you about also that racist son of [ __ ]

1:11:15with the giants

1:11:17before he believed that there were no

1:11:19people in the Americas before 3,000

1:11:21years ago and even on the Wikipedia page

1:11:24of the folsome tradition it still says

1:11:26now that any archaeologist desirous of

1:11:28successful career could not poss an

1:11:30earlier date for the peopleing of the

1:11:32Americas or him and one other dude would

1:11:34destroy their [ __ ] careers. This

1:11:35isn't the first time it's been going.

1:11:38>> It's ego.

1:11:39>> It Well, again,

1:11:40>> it's And it's men mostly, right? It's

1:11:42human men and their egos and wanting to

1:11:45be the gatekeeper of information.

1:11:48>> The authority. I'm the authority figure.

1:11:50Yeah.

1:11:50>> Oh, imagine imagine the the the shot to

1:11:53the ego it takes with to be a guy like

1:11:56Flint. study all your time and you study

1:11:58all this crap and then Graham comes

1:11:59along and he studies and he writes he

1:12:01writes a fake history and you write a

1:12:03fake history and his sells more. Oh man,

1:12:06that's just going to cry right up right

1:12:08up in his ass. And it does. They just

1:12:10don't like also that someone comes along

1:12:13and they're super obsessed with a

1:12:14subject and they're not confined by the

1:12:17academic world where they have to get

1:12:20funding to do certain studies. They have

1:12:22to get things approved. They want to get

1:12:24tenure. They have to get the approval of

1:12:26the higherups. There's all sorts of

1:12:28stuff that happens in the academic world

1:12:30that doesn't happen in the world of the

1:12:32Jimmy Corsettes and the Luke Caverns and

1:12:34these people that could just go to

1:12:36places and start filming. you know, Ben

1:12:37Van Kirkwood can just go places and

1:12:39start filming and become huge experts in

1:12:42this stuff. I mean, the the the

1:12:43information that's available about the

1:12:45Old Kingdom, about all these things,

1:12:46it's all available like anyone can read

1:12:48it if you take the time and if you

1:12:50really dive into it. And these guys have

1:12:52dove into it. And a lot of these other

1:12:54guys haven't. And that's the thing. And

1:12:56they're a little lazy. Maybe not lazy,

1:12:59but let's say this, not as obsessed. So,

1:13:02they should look at the Ben Van

1:13:03Kirkwicks as a resource.

1:13:05>> Thank you. I I've been saying this one

1:13:07for a long time, but they do the

1:13:08opposite. I give you a perfect example.

1:13:10Jimmy Corsetti two years ago on X posts.

1:13:13I wonder if the Nephilim in the Bible

1:13:15were the Denise or the Neanderthal or

1:13:17something like that. At the time, they

1:13:18didn't know Denise were taller than us.

1:13:20So all the archaeologists, oh Jimmy,

1:13:22stupid the Nephilim were supposed to be

1:13:24taller than us and both of these species

1:13:26are shorter. And I even said, I'm like,

1:13:28let's just let this go a couple days and

1:13:29I'm going to show you guys what you're

1:13:30doing wrong. And I let him go at it. And

1:13:32then I was like, okay, let's try this as

1:13:33a science communicator. Let's try it

1:13:35like this. Hey Jim, those ones are

1:13:37shorter than humans, but there are other

1:13:38species of archaic homminid like

1:13:41gigantopithecus that were taller than us

1:13:43that might fit the bill. Why don't you

1:13:44look into that and see what you find?

1:13:45You take somebody's passion, they're

1:13:48looking at the rabbit hole, you shove

1:13:49them in head first. That's science

1:13:50communication. Telling them the rabbit

1:13:52hole ain't [ __ ] there, Clover. You're

1:13:54That's being a [ __ ]

1:13:55>> Well, I also think we should all

1:13:57operate, all human beings under this

1:13:59assumption. We don't have all the

1:14:02evidence for all the humans that lived.

1:14:04We just don't we only have a tiny

1:14:06fraction. We have fossilized remains

1:14:09especially when [ __ ] gets really old.

1:14:11>> We don't have enough data.

1:14:13>> Yeah.

1:14:13>> And if you just operate on we don't have

1:14:16enough data which is pure pure. Everyone

1:14:18should agree on that. So once you have

1:14:21then say okay this is the data we have

1:14:23and this points to the fact that new

1:14:27humans are emerging that we're finding

1:14:29and we might be wrong about the number

1:14:31that existed and the potentially there

1:14:34could be a cave somewhere in Siberia or

1:14:37wherever and they find another bone and

1:14:39they go holy [ __ ] what is this one this

1:14:41is a totally different kind of person

1:14:43and now you have another one and you

1:14:45have another one and who knows how many

1:14:47of them there were and this will give us

1:14:49a richer understanding of what took

1:14:50place. And then I think Michael Buttons

1:14:53has a really good video where he's

1:14:55talking about how anatomically human

1:14:58anatomically similar humans existed a

1:15:02long time ago. Like why would we assume

1:15:05that civilization and complex thinking

1:15:08and tool making and technology only

1:15:11emerged in the last couple hundred years

1:15:13when the exact same species existed

1:15:16hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

1:15:18thousands of years ago? Isn't it

1:15:20possible that something some some human

1:15:24a long time ago had figured out some

1:15:26stuff and we have no evidence no

1:15:28evidence of it anymore because of just

1:15:30natural wear and the weathering and the

1:15:33earth absorbs things. There's nothing

1:15:34left. Yeah, that seems more logical.

1:15:37>> Yeah, I I completely agree. Yeah, I I

1:15:39love Mike. He's great. Uh Michael

1:15:41Button. Yeah, he's he's great. It was

1:15:42one of the things honestly I just to

1:15:44really quickly I've loved watching the

1:15:46last year and a half since I've been on

1:15:48here left while you just kind of went

1:15:49through my litany of friends and stuck

1:15:50them in this chair one after the [ __ ]

1:15:52other man. It's like hey that's Luke.

1:15:53Hey I know that [ __ ] I know that guy.

1:15:54Hey that was really good to see man. Um

1:15:57but

1:15:58>> fun it's a fun time. It's a fun time to

1:15:59get cool people to talk about cool [ __ ]

1:16:02>> and and and the the passion that these

1:16:04guys have like you say that's honestly

1:16:06um it's a huge thing. You know, Duncan

1:16:08gave me a really good uh really good

1:16:10compliment. Duncan Trussell saying that

1:16:12I was like that I was all passionate

1:16:14like a [ __ ] um oh, what's that guy

1:16:17that did all calculus and stuff? The old

1:16:19old school Sir Isaac Newton. And I was

1:16:21like, damn, I don't think I'm like that.

1:16:22But thank you. Probably got as many

1:16:24chemicals in my body. But um

1:16:27>> was Isaac Newton a tripper?

1:16:29>> No. No. He was a uh uh he was an

1:16:31alchemist. So he like died of mercury

1:16:33poisoning.

1:16:33>> Did he really?

1:16:34>> He This is one of the funniest things. I

1:16:36love saying this one on Twitter. I say

1:16:38it once every couple years. This way,

1:16:40the world we live in now where they'll

1:16:42take a scientist and they'll say like,

1:16:43"Yeah, but this guy's political opinions

1:16:45are all skewed. So, [ __ ] this guy." It's

1:16:46like, you know what they would have done

1:16:47with Sir Isaac? We wouldn't have the

1:16:49theory of gravity or calculus. It'd have

1:16:51been like, "Yeah, that guy denies the

1:16:52trinity and he's [ __ ] an alchemist.

1:16:56Why would I put up with this crazy guy's

1:16:57bullshit?" It's like it's

1:17:00>> Yeah. But uh yeah, it's it's it's this

1:17:03is one of the things I've actually come

1:17:04to a lot of terms with on my own little

1:17:06searching in this community is that

1:17:08>> there's a lot of people that I disagree

1:17:10with on [ __ ] 80% but that 20% that

1:17:13they're if they bring honest data to the

1:17:15table.

1:17:16>> Yeah.

1:17:16>> Like uh and my best example of this is

1:17:18goes all the way back to uh the 1880s

1:17:21Carl Christian Rafen or the 1830s even

1:17:23uh he was a anthropologist. He was he

1:17:26believed that the Norse discovered

1:17:28America before Columbus. And the reason

1:17:30he believed this was because every time

1:17:32he'd see a rock with a glyph on it, he's

1:17:34like, "Man, them dumb Indians didn't

1:17:35know how to carve no [ __ ] rocks."

1:17:37Granted, all their weapons are made out

1:17:38of stone, but anyway, they don't know

1:17:40how to make this. So, must have been a

1:17:41white guy. So, he does research,

1:17:43research, research, research, and

1:17:44eventually finds out that it was the

1:17:46Norse that be Now, he was pissing up a

1:17:48rope with his [ __ ] EV line of

1:17:50evidence, but he did honest research

1:17:52>> and he got us real data,

1:17:54>> right? So, I'm I'm finding a lot that I

1:17:56just have to like I really don't like

1:17:57you, but okay. What what do you got to

1:17:59say?

1:18:00>> This is a part of the problem with the

1:18:01Atlantis thing. And this is why guys

1:18:03like Flint always connected to racism

1:18:05because there were a group of people

1:18:06that were white supremacists that

1:18:08believe that the white race was

1:18:10responsible for Atlantis. But those

1:18:12those are not like credible historians.

1:18:15>> These are also not in the same group of

1:18:17people as Graham or you or Ben Van Kirk

1:18:20or any of these people. No one is saying

1:18:22that. So to connect people to something

1:18:25like Atlantis where there are

1:18:28problematic people that believed

1:18:30something that was racist. Just because

1:18:33you're talking about Atlantis doesn't

1:18:34mean everybody who's in investigating

1:18:36Atlantis is also problematic and racist.

1:18:39That's crazy.

1:18:40>> Well, they say, "Well, it encourages

1:18:42racism." And my I always jump with they

1:18:45go, "Well, do you see how many their

1:18:46evidence? You see how many white

1:18:47supremacists site this stuff?" And I

1:18:48always I always go well you see how many

1:18:50white supremacists cite all kinds of

1:18:52statistics poverty and crime and all

1:18:54these other things. Should we should we

1:18:55get rid of all of these statistics too?

1:18:57We should just quit gather anything that

1:18:58a white supremacist might use. Do you

1:19:00remember the Mac Tonight commercial with

1:19:02the the big the McDonald's moonman?

1:19:06>> No. Don't you remember um years ago like

1:19:09when we were kids uh in the 80s when I

1:19:10was a kid in the 80s it's the oh they

1:19:13had a big moon man guy that was singing

1:19:15a Mac the knife parody when the clock

1:19:17strikes half past 6 babe time to head

1:19:20for golden lines okay about 15 years ago

1:19:23they started using a thing with like

1:19:25some weird voice chat and this guy's and

1:19:27making racist memes does that mean that

1:19:29McDonald's is [ __ ] racist or does it

1:19:31just mean that racists will co-opt

1:19:32[ __ ] anything including Pepe the frog

1:19:34>> pepe the frog is the best example Thank

1:19:36you.

1:19:36>> That poor guy who made Pepe the Frog,

1:19:39[laughter]

1:19:39>> please.

1:19:40>> That guy was like, "That's not me."

1:19:43>> And so, but so and that's that's exactly

1:19:46what these guys do, man. We We can't

1:19:49talk about anything without it being

1:19:50racist. It's like, dude,

1:19:52>> well, that's just a way to dismiss you.

1:19:54>> It's It's a way to drag other people in.

1:19:57Yeah.

1:19:57>> Hey, man. This guy's calling talking

1:19:59[ __ ] about the pyramids. Yeah, whatever.

1:20:00Oh, he's also racist. Oh, [ __ ] We got

1:20:035% of them came over. Cool. Yeah,

1:20:05>> it's Yeah, it's really pathetic. And um

1:20:08you know, in all honesty, you know, I

1:20:10get [ __ ] during the election cycles from

1:20:12friends and from fans that for not

1:20:16supporting X, Y, or Z. And I always tell

1:20:18them the same thing. Look, most the

1:20:20third or [ __ ] SI. I talk about

1:20:22ancient history, [ __ ] I'm not talking

1:20:24about modern politics. That's not what

1:20:25I'm doing. It's not And I'm certainly

1:20:27not going to endorse somebody on my

1:20:28platform. As a matter of fact, why do

1:20:30you care what Beyonce says about this

1:20:31[ __ ] Why do you care about any of these

1:20:33[ __ ] these people aren't political

1:20:35analysts? Why do you care that much? Why

1:20:38are you calling up my ass about Well,

1:20:39yeah, but you know, you've got the it

1:20:42people want

1:20:44people want us to all be towing a

1:20:45certain It's It's funny. I I swear to

1:20:48God, it's like the whole country's got

1:20:49like probably a third of us are little

1:20:51Hitlers. The whole world would be better

1:20:52if everybody just thought just like me.

1:20:54>> It's like [ __ ] Christ. [laughter]

1:20:55>> And they think they're the open-minded,

1:20:57compassionate ones. It's really weird.

1:20:59But it's just the nature of the tribal

1:21:01world that we're living in right now and

1:21:02it's so divided and this is one of the

1:21:05giant problems with social media. And I

1:21:07think it's great that everyone has an

1:21:08opinion and I think it's great that

1:21:10everyone gets to express an opinion. It

1:21:12doesn't mean that you should listen. It

1:21:14doesn't mean you should absorb it. It

1:21:16doesn't mean that it's a valid opinion.

1:21:19You'll find the valid opinions, but you

1:21:21have to sort through the bad ones. And

1:21:22this is how it's always going to be.

1:21:24There's always going to be that have

1:21:25people have a take on it that you

1:21:27fiercely disagree with. the people have

1:21:29the least charitable view of this person

1:21:31or this idea or this thing, you're

1:21:33always going to have a spectrum of ideas

1:21:36and you have to allow it. That's how it

1:21:38is. And you have to counter that with a

1:21:40better perspective. That's it.

1:21:43>> And if you're coming at it from you want

1:21:45to silence and destroy everyone who

1:21:47disagrees with you, especially on

1:21:49something as complex as ancient history,

1:21:52like that seems like you're doing a bad

1:21:55thing. That seems like you're denying

1:21:57the resource of all these obsessed

1:21:59people.

1:22:00>> Yeah, it's I completely agree with you.

1:22:03As a matter of fact,

1:22:04>> if they're getting something wrong, like

1:22:05yeah, have a conversation with those

1:22:07people and explain why they're getting

1:22:08something wrong. But but be good faith

1:22:11about it. The the Society for American

1:22:14Archaeology's original bylaws. Their

1:22:16very first law was their intention was

1:22:20to cultivate a better relationship

1:22:23between interested amateurs and

1:22:25professional archaeologists and to offer

1:22:27help when requested

1:22:30to those interested amateurs. They're

1:22:32doing neither one of those things right

1:22:33now. Number one, they are pissing all

1:22:35over the relationship between people

1:22:37that are interested amateurs and the

1:22:39professional archaeologists. They can't

1:22:41even talk to each other anymore.

1:22:43>> Well, don't you think that's also a

1:22:44little bit of jealousy because these

1:22:45interested amateurs have all of a sudden

1:22:48>> come to the forefront

1:22:49>> and they're making money off of it.

1:22:50>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I mean [laughter]

1:22:53found out that I had supporters, he lost

1:22:54his [ __ ] HE'S PEOPLE PAY HIM MONEY FOR

1:22:56THE OH MY [ __ ] GOD. [laughter]

1:22:59>> Silly silly to worry about that. But

1:23:00it's like also like just YouTube

1:23:02revenue. Guys like Ben Van Kirkwick's

1:23:04videos get millions of views, you know?

1:23:06Like there's there's real money in it

1:23:08and they're not making money. No, no,

1:23:10not like that. No,

1:23:11>> they got to be pissed.

1:23:12>> It's I'm sure that's

1:23:13>> I went to school for this.

1:23:15>> But the other thing I And again, that

1:23:17bylaw, it says to offer help when

1:23:19requested to interested amateur. When's

1:23:21the last time Graham Hancock asked one

1:23:22of these [ __ ] for their opinion?

1:23:24They don't. I They just They give him

1:23:26the help whether he wants it or not.

1:23:29>> They've completely lost the plot. Even

1:23:31>> Well, it's the problem is the way they

1:23:32frame it. Like when they were talking

1:23:34about his Netflix show being one of the

1:23:35most dangerous shows on television,

1:23:38how is it dangerous to talk about

1:23:40evidence of a lost civilization? That's

1:23:43seems insane. Dude, they're their egos

1:23:46are at the for Have you ever read that

1:23:48letter from that that they wrote to

1:23:49Netflix? Okay. Do you They had three

1:23:51problems, right? And they list them one,

1:23:54two, three. Now, you would assume these

1:23:56are professional archaeologists and

1:23:57they're talking about Graham Granhawk.

1:23:58You would assume number one is he got a

1:24:00bunch of [ __ ] wrong,

1:24:01>> right?

1:24:01>> No. Number one is he talks [ __ ] about

1:24:03archaeologists and he doesn't listen to

1:24:05us. That was number one. It they

1:24:07couldn't even hide their ego in the

1:24:09[ __ ] list. It's like it's just

1:24:12>> also not true.

1:24:12>> They're petulant children. I swear to

1:24:14[ __ ] God.

1:24:15>> Also not true. Yeah,

1:24:15>> he listens.

1:24:16>> Oh, dude. He puts them on the difference

1:24:20with the guy. If you're going to come in

1:24:22and just poo poo everything and say,

1:24:23"No, that's not true. No, that's not

1:24:25true. No, that's not true." Well, then

1:24:26yeah, you're not going to um you're he

1:24:29I'm not going to put up with that [ __ ]

1:24:30you guys have an actual conversation

1:24:32with me. Sure. But if you're just

1:24:33>> What were the other two problems?

1:24:35>> The other two problems, one was that he

1:24:36was wrong. Well, the other one was that

1:24:37it promotes white supremacy. [laughter]

1:24:41And and the the the best part about that

1:24:43is they say because this this theory

1:24:46that the exact wording is this theory

1:24:47dates to 1882 and Ignatius Donnelly blah

1:24:50blah blah. Ignatius Donnelly was a left.

1:24:54He was liberal as [ __ ] He was a

1:24:56feminist and an abolitionist, but he was

1:24:58also a white dude in the 1800s. He's

1:25:00racist as [ __ ] by modern standards,

1:25:01right? Just like all the archaeologists

1:25:03were back then. But they don't don't

1:25:04bother with that. They pick him and they

1:25:07say, "This guy's the one that started

1:25:08the problem. He's the one that created

1:25:10this theory." But you go back 20 years

1:25:12and Augustus Leon and uh some other dude

1:25:16I lose his name right now, but there

1:25:18were two French Americans that believed

1:25:20that the Maya had con were the

1:25:22Atlanteanss, that the Amaya had

1:25:24conquered the world, that the Maya were

1:25:25the master race if you're going to look

1:25:27at it that way. But they're going to

1:25:28ignore that when they submit this stuff

1:25:31to Netflix because it doesn't just they

1:25:34wanted to make it sound like this entire

1:25:35[ __ ] was created to support white

1:25:37supremacy when it was actually not. But

1:25:39they So my my but my point here is in a

1:25:43debate where it constantly revolves

1:25:45around you guys are lying about our

1:25:47past. They lie about what happened 15

1:25:49[ __ ] minutes ago on the internet

1:25:50where we can all see it and then they

1:25:51wonder why we are like ha you guys do

1:25:54lie about the [ __ ] boneheads. Sorry.

1:25:57So [laughter] this this guy, what was

1:25:58his theory? The first guy that is

1:26:00problematic even though he's a liberal

1:26:02and a feminist.

1:26:02>> Oh well, he believed that it was white

1:26:05suprem

1:26:06uh the three biblical races. Um if

1:26:09you're not aware of that, like Noah's

1:26:11three kids, um Sam is the Seemetic race,

1:26:15the Hamite race was the Africans, and

1:26:17then the other one ended up being the

1:26:19the Aryans was the white people. Um and

1:26:23uh these three biblical races have

1:26:25biblical racism they call it. It's been

1:26:27like a thing for a thousand years. But

1:26:30uh he he just clung to that idea that it

1:26:32was basically these races of of after

1:26:34post Noah and all this. So like uh do

1:26:37you know the story with Noah? Like he

1:26:38got drunk afterwards?

1:26:39>> No.

1:26:40>> Oh, could you you might want to pull

1:26:42this up, Judy. After it's all done, Noah

1:26:44gets all drunk and he's like laying

1:26:46around naked and one of his sons laughs

1:26:48at him and one one of them doesn't. So

1:26:50like he curses the lowest of them and he

1:26:53praises the highest. And when you see

1:26:55the bib the Bible verse, he was like,

1:26:56"You're going to be the servants to this

1:26:58one and he can sleep in your tent

1:26:59whenever he wants." And you could see

1:27:00why this was used to promote uh racial

1:27:04superiority.

1:27:06>> But uh it's

1:27:09that's where it came from. So if they

1:27:11really wanted to, they could have been

1:27:12saying the Bible created racism and that

1:27:14was a problem. But it's also very silly

1:27:18to connect the idea of ancient

1:27:20civilizations to one person. That's so

1:27:23silly.

1:27:23>> So silly.

1:27:24>> That's so silly when you're talking

1:27:25about evidence all over the world. We're

1:27:28talking about Balach. We're talking

1:27:30about the Maya. We're talking about the

1:27:32Egyptians. We're talking about all over

1:27:34the world. And you're going to connect

1:27:36it to white supremacy. Isn't it more

1:27:38plausible that we don't know what

1:27:41happened

1:27:41>> just a little bit? I mean, but you got

1:27:44to understand these guys are the ones

1:27:45that follow. Like I I I break your rules

1:27:48some and I argue with the people in the

1:27:49trenches, right? And the guys that

1:27:51follow Flint Dibble, they'll all the

1:27:53time they'll make fun of you. You

1:27:54believe in lost civilizations? And my

1:27:55answer is, do you think we found every

1:27:57civilization? Oh, no. So, you're just

1:27:59throwing around stupid [ __ ] just talking

1:28:01crap.

1:28:02>> The idea that there'd be evidence left

1:28:04over other than the stuff that we've

1:28:06already found. Like, what are you

1:28:07looking for that's 100,000 years old? It

1:28:10doesn't mean that there wasn't something

1:28:12going on 100,000 years ago. It seems

1:28:14like there was definitely something

1:28:15going on at least 12,000 years ago. So

1:28:18that [ __ ] up our whole timeline.

1:28:20>> Oh yeah.

1:28:20>> And they want to still attribute that to

1:28:22hunter gatherers just for convenience.

1:28:25The idea that the gobe structures were

1:28:28made by hunter gatherers. Like why would

1:28:29they do that?

1:28:31>> Yeah. How did they do that? How come

1:28:33they didn't make houses but they made

1:28:35that stuff? How come?

1:28:37>> Yeah. Well, it's it's that's a tough

1:28:39one, man. You know, uh

1:28:40>> what were their tools?

1:28:41>> They're looking at uh you know, car on

1:28:43Teepe. They're actually talking about

1:28:44covering that again, like they did at

1:28:46Gobecley, which is [ __ ] I don't know

1:28:47if you know Megalithania, Hugh Newman.

1:28:50Um he's um he he's he's there not a lot

1:28:53of people that I would would mention on

1:28:54your show, but he's definitely one of

1:28:55them. He's he's he's a badass. He's been

1:28:58doing this forever. And uh he's doing

1:29:00all this arc astronomy work out there at

1:29:02Kanepe, and they're covering they're

1:29:04getting ready to cover it. and he's just

1:29:05going, "Uh, uh,

1:29:06>> why are they covering it?"

1:29:08>> Well, they're claiming it's to for

1:29:10tourism to protect the site and all

1:29:11this. This

1:29:12>> what do you think it is?

1:29:13>> I don't know. It might that might well

1:29:15be it. Um, I do know that.

1:29:17>> How does it protect the site, though? If

1:29:18you don't own it, I don't know.

1:29:20>> But it's stone, right?

1:29:22>> Yeah. I mean, honestly,

1:29:24[sighs and gasps]

1:29:25honestly, it it gets weird when you look

1:29:27at the third world because or poorer

1:29:29countries like that because, you know,

1:29:31my iPhone could feed a family over there

1:29:32for a month. So, it's like these guys

1:29:35are going to do they've got a different

1:29:36set of priorities than us,

1:29:37>> right?

1:29:38>> So, um,

1:29:39>> but wouldn't you think that more things

1:29:41getting exposed would equal more

1:29:43tourism, which would equal more revenue?

1:29:45>> Yes and no. Um, and I did a video a

1:29:48while back about Zahi Has being a heel,

1:29:50like a wrestling heel. Uh, deliberate,

1:29:53dude. I'm 100% on this.

1:29:55>> Really?

1:29:56>> Oh, yeah. I'm not saying that he doesn't

1:29:58do shady [ __ ] I'm saying that he plays

1:30:00the villain. Um, I give you some

1:30:03examples. There's a a clip of him after

1:30:06shortly after Arab Spring. He's talking

1:30:08about how to increase tourism. He has

1:30:10two things is one, you don't want

1:30:12tourists from any old country. You want

1:30:14Japanese, Americans, Chinese, Germans.

1:30:16You don't want the rest. You want people

1:30:18to come in and change your world. Second

1:30:20thing is doesn't matter what's happening

1:30:22in Egypt. Those new age people, they

1:30:25come. Doesn't matter if it's Arab

1:30:28Spring. Doesn't matter if tourism is

1:30:29down by 40%. Those new age people, they

1:30:32come. He's So then, did I find

1:30:36something? Yes, I found it. No, I

1:30:37didn't. No, I didn't. Yes, I did. Yes, I

1:30:38did. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. Yes, I

1:30:40did. It's you're Come and investigate.

1:30:44Come and investigate. Come and look.

1:30:45Come and see for yourself. Come and pop

1:30:47into those little holes and look for

1:30:48yourself. Go look at the place that I

1:30:50told you there was nothing. I think

1:30:51honestly that's his whole reason that

1:30:54he's playing it to the hilt. And I think

1:30:55Lee Clair's doing the same thing right

1:30:57now. If you watch Lee Claire on

1:30:58>> I don't know who that is.

1:30:59>> Lee Clair is the archaeologist in charge

1:31:01of Gobeclay. He's a big big dude down

1:31:03there. And if you look at him on

1:31:05Twitter, he's doing the exact same

1:31:06thing. He's constantly arguing. He's

1:31:08picking at Jimmy. I actually block the

1:31:10guy. I don't block many scientists, but

1:31:12I that aren't constantly antagonistic

1:31:14towards me. He was every day I'd wake up

1:31:16and more talking [ __ ] about me, just

1:31:19pissing everybody off. And the whole

1:31:21point um in my opinion is to make it

1:31:23where people want to come and look at

1:31:25what you're h if something's being

1:31:26hidden. You have to have a villain

1:31:27hiding it, right? Give me a touchstone.

1:31:29So, what the [ __ ] is Zahi Hawai think

1:31:31about what is Zahi Hawas hiding? Is that

1:31:34a crazy statement to make? No, it's not.

1:31:36And I think he cultivated that. I think

1:31:37that's an image that he made to increase

1:31:40tourist revenue.

1:31:41>> So, you think he created this character

1:31:44to make it so that people want to combat

1:31:47against him and then go there and see

1:31:49and look around,

1:31:50>> spend money? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I I

1:31:53don't think that's the whole the whole

1:31:55>> I think you went a little too tinfoil.

1:31:57[laughter] I think it's a little more

1:31:58simple than that. Yeah. I think he's

1:31:59been in control of the narrative there

1:32:01for a long time. And there's also some

1:32:03weird stuff with things missing.

1:32:05>> Oh, no. I'm not saying that he didn't

1:32:06steal stuff.

1:32:07>> The weird stuff with things missing.

1:32:08It's like you would want to really

1:32:10control the narrative. If like skeletons

1:32:12that you reported discovering, then you

1:32:15say there's no skeletons, right? Isn't

1:32:17there one of those in one of the

1:32:18sarcophaguses?

1:32:20>> Yeah, Jimmy was hammering away at that

1:32:22one. There was an original story from

1:32:24like the 80s

1:32:26>> that they found the skeleton

1:32:27>> and they just no no skeleton.

1:32:29>> And the problem is what we were talking

1:32:31about before that there are wealthy

1:32:32people that will pay you an enormous

1:32:34amount of money for the skeleton. So if

1:32:36you got some dude, you know, he's got

1:32:38Saudi Arabian money and he's like, you

1:32:40know what would be dope? I want a

1:32:42[ __ ] Egyptian mummy in my house, you

1:32:45know? And people had them. I mean, this

1:32:46was a thing that people were eating

1:32:48them. Yes. [laughter] Yes. Yes.

1:32:50>> God.

1:32:51>> What? told Danny Jones that he's LIKE,

1:32:53"WHAT THE [ __ ] PULL THAT UP NOW."

1:32:55[laughter]

1:32:55>> YEAH. People would have these mummy

1:32:58unwrapping parties at their homes, these

1:33:01very wealthy people, and they would eat

1:33:03the mummies.

1:33:04>> Yeah. I bet you a lot of those elongated

1:33:06skulls ended up in similar

1:33:08>> I know, but like whose house? How many

1:33:10houses? Who are these people? Like, how

1:33:12does no one tell on them?

1:33:13>> I don't know. But I mean, you look at

1:33:15what you know, five years ago, I would

1:33:18have said, dude, I don't know about all

1:33:19this, man. But now you look at that

1:33:21island, you're like,

1:33:22>> "What would you do if somebody gave you

1:33:24an elongated skull? Would you give it to

1:33:25a museum?" Like, what would you do?

1:33:27Like, if somebody gave you one of those

1:33:28really dope Peruvian skulls that are

1:33:30crazy without the sagittal suture,

1:33:33you're looking at the enormous brain

1:33:34capacity, the size of the head, like

1:33:36what the the size of the eye sockets.

1:33:38>> I had scientists after scientist finger

1:33:40[ __ ] that thing till we got

1:33:41somewhere,

1:33:41>> right? But would you bring it somewhere

1:33:44where other people could see it? Would

1:33:46you allow the scientists to take control

1:33:48of it and to take hold of it?

1:33:51>> Because this is my friend John Reeves up

1:33:53in Alaska. You know, he's had some real

1:33:55issues with that.

1:33:55>> Yeah.

1:33:56>> Where they'll take bones and then

1:33:57they'll go up. Nope. Never getting them

1:33:59back.

1:33:59>> Yeah. No. Up in the bottom of the

1:34:01harbor.

1:34:02>> Yeah. And he won't But this is before

1:34:03his time. But yeah, they did that. Was

1:34:05that the American Museum of Natural

1:34:07History? Is that it?

1:34:09>> So the the thing he does now is like if

1:34:12you want to do work on these bones, you

1:34:13got to come to Alaska.

1:34:14>> Yeah. And he built the whole scientific

1:34:16research building. And

1:34:18>> well, it makes sense.

1:34:19>> Yeah. He's like, I don't trust any of

1:34:20you [ __ ]

1:34:22>> You know where the Baghdad battery is

1:34:23right now, don't you?

1:34:24>> Where?

1:34:24>> Nobody knows. It was grabbed by Alphabet

1:34:26Boys at the beginning of the 2000s. When

1:34:29we

1:34:29>> Which alphabet boys?

1:34:30>> Ours.

1:34:31>> But which one? [laughter]

1:34:33>> I'm not sure.

1:34:34>> Might be one we don't even know about.

1:34:35>> All I know is it I'm just gonna say I

1:34:38doubt that the soldier that went in

1:34:39there had decided he wanted that thing

1:34:41for himself.

1:34:41>> Right. Uh, but I speaking of the bad dab

1:34:44battery, I got a cool little theory on

1:34:45that. I don't know if you ever seen

1:34:46that, but uh I don't think it was for

1:34:48electricity. I think it was to separate

1:34:49metal. If you were to use for the

1:34:52electrolyte, if you were to take mine

1:34:54runoff that had like gold and silver and

1:34:56copper and iron and nickel and magnum,

1:34:58all that [ __ ] You put it in that

1:35:00that thing. After a while, that exact

1:35:02cell that we had, the copper would build

1:35:04would have a buildup of gold, copper,

1:35:06and silver. All the other [ __ ] would go

1:35:08to the bottom. M.

1:35:10>> So you could it would I think it was a

1:35:11way for them to like

1:35:13>> separate

1:35:13>> and and I think that the discovery of

1:35:15this would be super easy. Drop a copper

1:35:17coin and a metal nail into a puddle of

1:35:19that and come back in two days and

1:35:20you're going to see the buildup of gold

1:35:21on that coin. And so this explains why

1:35:25inside of the thing like there's no

1:35:26residue at all which is one of the

1:35:27reasons they say it didn't happen. Well,

1:35:29they were harvesting the residue is my

1:35:31in my opinion and this is why you

1:35:33couldn't be trace amounts

1:35:35>> even if they were harvesting.

1:35:36>> Now that's where it would be nice to

1:35:37test it now. It hasn't been looked at in

1:35:38a long time, you know. It hasn't been

1:35:40been har it hasn't been tested for

1:35:42anything in a long.

1:35:43>> Where is it that it's gone? It's in

1:35:45somebody it's right next to those skulls

1:35:47and those mummies. It's on some dude's

1:35:48shelf. That will

1:35:49>> really

1:35:49>> Yes. This is a picture of a street mummy

1:35:52seller in 1875.

1:35:53>> Jesus Christ. [laughter]

1:35:55>> So this article in the Big Think was

1:35:57saying that this was so popular from

1:35:591200 to about 18 or sorry the 12th

1:36:01century to 18th century

1:36:03>> that they kind of ran out of mummies.

1:36:06>> Yeah. Yo,

1:36:07>> and can you imagine you could fly over

1:36:09there and pick up a mummy?

1:36:10>> Well, that's before these parties were

1:36:11even happening

1:36:13in the corner over there.

1:36:14>> No, they thought it was medicine.

1:36:16>> Yeah. Yeah.

1:36:17>> We talked about this once before, but

1:36:18there's these

1:36:19>> This [ __ ] exists all over the place.

1:36:22>> And I wonder if any of them would have

1:36:23been better than Kufus. What? Lot 99

1:36:26Apothecary Antiques.

1:36:28>> Right up there in the upper left. Yeah.

1:36:30>> What?

1:36:32>> Look at that. Apothecary. So, this is

1:36:34like medicine mia. So it's like mummy

1:36:37juice.

1:36:38>> This article gets [ __ ] gross.

1:36:40>> Mummy powder. You sprinkle it on your

1:36:42steak.

1:36:42>> So they there were so they were so

1:36:44popular for a long time. They

1:36:45disappeared kind of. It was hard to get

1:36:47them. So they started forging

1:36:50>> mummy bodies.

1:36:51>> Oh my god.

1:36:53>> How dark is it that people bought all

1:36:55the dead bodies?

1:36:57>> Not all doctors thought dry old mummies

1:36:59made the best medicine. Some doctors

1:37:00believe that fresh meat and blood had a

1:37:02vitality the long dead lacked. Those

1:37:04guys went to the island.

1:37:05>> Napoleon was bringing [snorts] them back

1:37:06and then they would have some parties,

1:37:08quote unquote parties, but [laughter]

1:37:10that was just still like they were doing

1:37:12like research almost if you could say

1:37:13like some medicine research and then

1:37:15that [clears throat] didn't last. That

1:37:16was like 30 years of that and then they

1:37:17just started having actual parties to

1:37:20show how rich you that you hold up.

1:37:23Pause right here. 1834 the surgeon

1:37:25Thomas Pedigrew unwrapped a mummy at the

1:37:28Royal College of Surgeons. In his time,

1:37:30autopsies and operations took place in

1:37:32public. In this unwrapping was just

1:37:34another public medical event. Soon a

1:37:36soon even the pretense of medical

1:37:38research was lost. By now mummies were

1:37:40no longer medicinal but thrilling. A

1:37:43dinner host who can entertain an

1:37:44audience while unwrapping was rich

1:37:47enough to own an actual mummy. The

1:37:49thrill of seeing dried flesh and bones

1:37:51appearing as bandages came off meant

1:37:54people flocked to these unwrappings.

1:37:56Whether in a private home or the theater

1:37:58of a learned society. strong drink meant

1:38:02audiences were loud and appreciative.

1:38:04>> And then at some point they tried to say

1:38:06that you were getting cursed by doing

1:38:08this.

1:38:08>> Oh yeah, for sure.

1:38:09>> But didn't the people that filed two in

1:38:12commons to him? Didn't they all die?

1:38:13>> That's what this comes up with next two

1:38:14in common.

1:38:16>> Yeah.

1:38:16>> Sudden death of Lord

1:38:18>> Arnaron. Mhm.

1:38:21>> Well, I mean,

1:38:22>> you can understand why people would

1:38:24think that, too. I mean, you're going

1:38:25around and not just defiling the grave,

1:38:27man. You eat the [ __ ] Come on.

1:38:30>> So, [laughter] it might there might be

1:38:31something to a curse like that.

1:38:33>> Oh, yeah. I

1:38:34>> especially if you believe it. That's the

1:38:36problem. That's how I think voodoo

1:38:39really works. If you really believe that

1:38:41someone could put a hex on you, you're

1:38:42like, "Oh, no."

1:38:43>> I was joking with this hippie girl in

1:38:45Sedona about that. She was telling me

1:38:47about

1:38:48>> practical magic.

1:38:49>> Look at this. Today, the black market of

1:38:51antiquity smuggling, including mummies,

1:38:54is worth about $3 billion.

1:38:58So today,

1:38:59>> the black market right now, 3 billion a

1:39:02year.

1:39:03>> A year?

1:39:04>> Is that a year?

1:39:05>> Yeah. Yeah.

1:39:06>> That's a lot.

1:39:07>> Yeah. That's a fortune. That's a

1:39:08fortune.

1:39:09>> And just in [ __ ] that should be in a

1:39:11museum.

1:39:12>> Three billion a year.

1:39:13>> Yeah.

1:39:14>> It just makes sense, man, when you think

1:39:16see people that are just [ __ ] insane

1:39:18and they're rich and they just want a

1:39:20thing that no one That's like the whole

1:39:21thing about like uh rhino horn,

1:39:24>> right? They want to drink rhino horn tea

1:39:26because nobody could get it because it's

1:39:28illegal.

1:39:28>> Yep.

1:39:29>> You guys were talking about the

1:39:29Rockefellers earlier and I there's a

1:39:31museum started in Jerusalem where

1:39:33they're the Rockefeller Archaeological

1:39:35Museum.

1:39:36>> They had 60,000 artifacts dating back to

1:39:402 million years ago.

1:39:41>> Whoa.

1:39:41>> Including a

1:39:44reported 100,000y old skeleton almost

1:39:46complete.

1:39:47>> Damn.

1:39:48>> Whoa.

1:39:48>> What happened? Uh they also had another

1:39:50one that was 6,500 years old that a

1:39:53while ago is being reported as Noah. Um

1:39:56[laughter]

1:39:57this is where the Dead SK sea scrolls

1:39:59were for a while until they were taken

1:40:00over and then moved to a the Dead Sea

1:40:02Scrolls a different museum now that

1:40:05Israel has been officially formed

1:40:06because they were there when it wasn't

1:40:08actually

1:40:10>> officially Israel I guess.

1:40:12>> Wow. And there's a a copper scroll I

1:40:15just stumbled across I didn't know about

1:40:17that was moved to Aman and is now part

1:40:19of the Jordan Museum.

1:40:20>> Wow.

1:40:21>> One of the scrolls that looks

1:40:24>> made out of metal and tin.

1:40:25>> That was a part of the Dead Sea Scrolls

1:40:27>> and it was made out of copper.

1:40:30>> Whoa. Well, that's a replica.

1:40:32>> Well, that part is probably, I guess.

1:40:33But yeah, said it was found in cave 3

1:40:36>> where everything else was written on

1:40:37parchment. This was written on metal.

1:40:40>> Holy [ __ ]

1:40:42That's insane.

1:40:43>> Copper mixed with about 1% tin, although

1:40:46no metallic copper remained in the

1:40:48strips. The action of the centuries had

1:40:50been to convert the metal into brittle

1:40:52oxide.

1:40:53>> Unlike the others, it's not a literary

1:40:55work, but a list of 64 places where

1:40:57various items of gold and silver were

1:40:59buried or hidden.

1:41:00>> Not a story, it's a treasure map.

1:41:02>> Wow. A treasure map written on copper

1:41:05>> and a day when copper was a treasure.

1:41:07>> Wow.

1:41:09>> Yeah. And then it says a faximile is now

1:41:11on display or being

1:41:13>> there's got to be so much we're missing.

1:41:15>> No, so much we're missing.

1:41:16>> So much buried stuff. So much like just

1:41:19think of subsaharan Africa used to be

1:41:22lush and green. Like what is under

1:41:24there?

1:41:25>> Yeah.

1:41:25>> What's under there?

1:41:26>> Yeah, that's you dead on. Exactly. All

1:41:29across there's so many places in the

1:41:31world that are that way if you ask me.

1:41:32It's like like Easter Island um when the

1:41:36sea levels were lower and that thing was

1:41:38a lot bigger and it was part of a series

1:41:40of islands that jumped from one to the

1:41:41next. You know, you know what navls of

1:41:43the world are, right?

1:41:45>> What

1:41:45>> navalss of the world like uh naval?

1:41:47>> Yeah. Like a world like the Yig Dreasel,

1:41:49the world tree, right? Like connects the

1:41:51underworld here and heavens.

1:41:54>> This idea is super common through Cusco

1:41:57had one. Uh the wailing wall is one.

1:42:00You're going to go kiss the wall. That's

1:42:02that's that's a that's the that's that's

1:42:04a a world naval.

1:42:05>> These are always the oracle at Delhigh

1:42:08world naval. Um these are always centers

1:42:11of the society, right? Jerusalem,

1:42:14Delhigh, Cusco, except for there's one

1:42:17at Easter Island, the far-flung corner

1:42:19of the Polynesian Empire has a world

1:42:21naval. But if you lower the sea levels

1:42:23and look at that as a string of islands,

1:42:25all of a sudden it is the center of the

1:42:27empire. So, I really like that's an area

1:42:30out of all the places on the planet, I

1:42:32think Easter Island has the most that if

1:42:34we were to because it's been dug at the

1:42:36least and has a lot there still. I mean,

1:42:39there's it's been looted hard, but it

1:42:41hasn't been looted like Rome has been or

1:42:43Egypt has been. Not even close. And I

1:42:45think that I think honestly that there's

1:42:47going to be a lot more there the more

1:42:49that we look. I think

1:42:52unfortunately

1:42:53stuff happens too quick. We we find the

1:42:55stuff and two days later it becomes like

1:42:57the trident mummies. Two days later it

1:42:59becomes a news story. Half the world

1:43:01like you say everything's all polarized

1:43:02now. You could it's you could even pick

1:43:04and choose your [ __ ] scientists when

1:43:06it comes to medicine nowadays. Joe, it's

1:43:09it's completely polarized. So when it

1:43:11comes to something like archaeology, hey

1:43:13[ __ ]

1:43:13>> who do you want? What what side of the

1:43:15table do you want? You'll find somebody

1:43:16with credentials or close enough that'll

1:43:19get in line with you. And so

1:43:21>> I was talking to a friend of mine about

1:43:22the South American stuff. He said the

1:43:24the cartels are a huge problem because

1:43:26they realize this $3 billion thing of

1:43:30selling these antiquities and they're

1:43:31selling stuff to people.

1:43:33>> Luke told me, Luke Caverns, he told me

1:43:35that he's he witnessed that when he was

1:43:37down there. There was a couple of places

1:43:38he went that he couldn't go into because

1:43:40there were guys with guns out in front.

1:43:42>> Oh wow. So they realized like, hey,

1:43:44someone's going to give me $5 million

1:43:45for this head.

1:43:46>> Yeah. That's that's And so we again we

1:43:48lose we lose everything. We lose all the

1:43:51context. How are they not losing those

1:43:54mummified tridactyl skeletons?

1:43:57>> I'm not really sure. That's a good

1:43:58question.

1:43:59>> You know, I would imagine those are

1:44:01super imagine we have one of those

1:44:02sitting on the table right here.

1:44:04[laughter]

1:44:04>> That would be pretty cool.

1:44:05>> [ __ ]

1:44:06>> That would be pretty cool.

1:44:07>> Wonder how much we have to pay for one

1:44:08of those.

1:44:10>> Um,

1:44:11>> probably quite a bit.

1:44:12>> Well, to that part of the world, you

1:44:13might get away with 250 grand like they

1:44:15did those coties. [laughter]

1:44:16>> But the Mexican government, like I was

1:44:18saying, they bought those coties pretty

1:44:19cheap, man. 250 grand is a lot, but it

1:44:21ain't a lot when you start talking about

1:44:22like Well, I said that to Matt Bell, if

1:44:24you know who Matt Bell is. He was like,

1:44:27"That's nothing." Well, of course to him

1:44:28it's nothing, but immediately the guy

1:44:30that has the money, the 250 grand,

1:44:32>> right?

1:44:32>> [ __ ] put that on my shelf. Frame that

1:44:34[ __ ]

1:44:34>> Meanwhile, he could have probably

1:44:35auctioned that.

1:44:37>> No, it was a family was afraid to. And

1:44:38honestly, the family been holding it for

1:44:40like 500 years. And in all honesty, I

1:44:43bet they were afraid. I I honest is the

1:44:46way things going. I don't know for sure,

1:44:47but I wouldn't be surprised if there was

1:44:48some some strong arming that went on

1:44:50there. Like you you can either get paid

1:44:51for, you know,

1:44:52>> or we take [laughter] it

1:44:54>> just like when the mob do you want paid

1:44:55off for this or do you want beat on the

1:44:56head?

1:44:57>> Right. Right. It's just you wonder how

1:45:00much is lost like the burning of the

1:45:02Library of Alexandria. All these

1:45:03different instances throughout history,

1:45:05the burning of the codexes.

1:45:08>> This stuff is from Peru. This is a

1:45:09website that's got art uh from ancient

1:45:11Peru for sale.

1:45:12>> For sale. Yeah, there's tons of

1:45:15interesting stuff here.

1:45:16>> But the qu question is how do you know

1:45:17if it's authentic?

1:45:19>> That's a huge

1:45:20>> because there's a lot of this stuff

1:45:21that's counterfeit.

1:45:23>> Wow, that's dope. Look at that mask.

1:45:24>> It says the provenence of it. So, this

1:45:26one came from an archaeologist that from

1:45:281938.

1:45:29>> How much does that cost?

1:45:30>> It says 3500 or something. I think it

1:45:32says

1:45:32>> should we get one4850?

1:45:35>> How big is I'm not buying one. You would

1:45:37you get cursed?

1:45:38>> No. That's Well, says $4,850 on

1:45:42something. And I better be able to drive

1:45:43it around or smoke it once.

1:45:44>> Recent [laughter]

1:45:47Egyptian bronze cobra.

1:45:49>> Wow. Somebody bought that for 2,000

1:45:51bucks.

1:45:52>> Wow. Add to cart right now.

1:45:54>> Wow.

1:45:55>> Bam.

1:45:56>> Kind of sick.

1:45:57>> I was from How old is it?

1:45:59>> Uh

1:46:00>> 664 to 30 BCE.

1:46:03>> Providence ex private New York City

1:46:05Egyptologist collection.

1:46:07>> Private New York City.

1:46:08>> Yeah. The Providence is weird on all

1:46:09these. It's coming. Everything's coming

1:46:11from different places. Yeah.

1:46:12>> It's interesting because that's not that

1:46:13expensive for what it is. You got a

1:46:16piece of Egyptian history.

1:46:17>> Yeah.

1:46:18>> Well, the providence thing is kind of a

1:46:19big deal. If the providence on them

1:46:21solid and it's after a certain date, you

1:46:23can't sell them.

1:46:24>> Show me what that image looks like. So,

1:46:25how come you how come this person can

1:46:27sell this?

1:46:27>> Yeah. Because the providence is going to

1:46:29come before that date. Like that they're

1:46:31going to have been been found before

1:46:34that date. It's like

1:46:35>> legally acquired.

1:46:36>> Yes.

1:46:37>> So, if it wasn't legally acquired, I bet

1:46:39they'd they'd get you. So, the laws are

1:46:41probably much stricter now than when

1:46:43they acquired it.

1:46:44>> Yeah. There's like It's kind of like

1:46:45assault rifles where there's like a a

1:46:47time when you can it's okay to have

1:46:49bought them, but if you bought it after

1:46:50that date, you can't have it.

1:46:51>> Or like pre-ban ivory.

1:46:53>> Thank you. Yeah. Same kind of thing.

1:46:54It's like if you got if you've had this

1:46:56artifact on your family, we're not going

1:46:58to go raiding the Rockefeller shelves,

1:47:00but you know, the rest of you [ __ ]

1:47:01can't have any new ones.

1:47:03>> You get a gold wing deity pendant for 67

1:47:06grand.

1:47:06>> Gold shaman. Yo,

1:47:09>> damn son,

1:47:10>> bro.

1:47:11>> That's pretty sick looking.

1:47:12>> He got sick fingers.

1:47:13>> Sickest. What's that from?

1:47:15>> Oh, and also look, he's got the I guess

1:47:17you say monkey on top of his head like

1:47:19that. And a two on the side.

1:47:20>> Why does it say price on a request?

1:47:23>> Uh maybe that's estimated here.

1:47:26>> So when it says uh gold standing shaman,

1:47:29is that actual gold? Made out of gold?

1:47:33>> There it is. 89% gold.

1:47:35>> What?

1:47:37You can just buy that.

1:47:40>> Well, look how dope it looks. Look at

1:47:42the image on the side. Go to the side

1:47:43view. The other one.

1:47:47>> What happened?

1:47:47>> Like it's made in China. Where' it go?

1:47:49>> Well, it's hollow.

1:47:50>> That's what I'm saying.

1:47:51>> Yeah, I kind of has to be hollow.

1:47:52Otherwise, it weigh 100 pounds.

1:47:54>> Yeah.

1:47:54>> Look at that. What a sick looking thing.

1:47:57>> Show me the front facing view again.

1:48:00>> That is wild.

1:48:01>> Wild, man. And how old is this supposed

1:48:04to be? [ __ ] that's cool.

1:48:07That would bring you good luck. Put that

1:48:09on your desk.

1:48:11Monkey luck. [ __ ]

1:48:13>> Oh, man. I think he's got some nipples.

1:48:15>> Oh, does he? Oh, when I was looking at

1:48:17things hanging around. I hope he doesn't

1:48:19have trophy skulls.

1:48:20>> Could be. Looks like

1:48:22>> his hands.

1:48:23>> Looks like those are cups, but they're

1:48:24faces.

1:48:25>> They look but they're stainless heads up

1:48:27there.

1:48:27>> They do look like heads.

1:48:29>> Does he have two heads in his hands?

1:48:30>> And he's got way more than five fingers.

1:48:32>> Yeah,

1:48:33>> he's got seven. Wow.

1:48:34>> Yeah.

1:48:34>> Maybe even eight if he's got a thumb.

1:48:36>> Again, you can meet that guy. Three hits

1:48:38of DMT. [laughter]

1:48:40He's He's [snorts] out there. Like, show

1:48:43me the the face forward version at the

1:48:45top.

1:48:46>> This one's been in Alabama for a while.

1:48:47Said,

1:48:50>> wow.

1:48:52Crazy. I'm sorry. And how old is it

1:48:54again?

1:48:54>> That's what I was trying to look up. Uh

1:48:58>> 500 to 158.

1:49:00>> Could be 500 years old. Oh, either way,

1:49:03that's nuts.

1:49:04>> That's pretty interesting.

1:49:06>> You could put it on a chain.

1:49:08>> Weighs 148 grams.

1:49:12What's that in a pound?

1:49:15>> I don't think it's a lot.

1:49:1828.

1:49:19>> I say we're all doing weed math now.

1:49:21128. [laughter] So, it's probably even

1:49:23half a pound, maybe. Barely. We're

1:49:25>> doing weed math. Okay.

1:49:26>> What is 128 gram in pounds?

1:49:32Yeah. 28 pounds. A

1:49:34>> quarter of a pound.

1:49:36>> Wow. Pretty sick.

1:49:38>> That is cool.

1:49:39>> Just makes you wonder like what what

1:49:41were they trying to What is that? What

1:49:43is that guy? Is that a guy you see when

1:49:46you trip? Because it seems like it.

1:49:48Especially he's all gold.

1:49:50It seems like something you would see if

1:49:52you were tripping.

1:49:53>> Yeah. A a lot of that stuff. See, a lot

1:49:55of it gets really difficult for me

1:49:57because then I I I wonder about like our

1:49:59iconography and it's like, you know,

1:50:02somebody could look at something like

1:50:03that belt and be like, I wonder what the

1:50:05symbolism is behind that belt. At the

1:50:06end of the day, it's like no no

1:50:08symbolism. It's just it looks cool, man.

1:50:10>> Or a mascot for a team, you know?

1:50:12>> Exactly. Why Why is everybody worshiping

1:50:14the Spuds McKenzie?

1:50:16>> Right. Right. Right. Right. [laughter]

1:50:17Why is everybody making the bullhorns at

1:50:18the UT game?

1:50:20>> Yeah.

1:50:20>> Yeah. But but but some of these things,

1:50:23you know, um are clearly, you know,

1:50:25religious and spiritual and and stand

1:50:27the test of time. Like um there's a lot

1:50:30of the the honoring of people with

1:50:32deformationations down there went for

1:50:34thousands of years. I mean, this went

1:50:35from

1:50:36>> the mech all the way up till the time

1:50:38that the Spanish show up.

1:50:40>> I think what's really fascinating is

1:50:42there's so many things that point to

1:50:44South America. So many things that point

1:50:46particularly to Peru. So many things.

1:50:49When you look at the megalithic

1:50:51architecture, especially the oldest

1:50:53stuff, the weird crazy shapes, and then

1:50:55you also look at the elongated heads,

1:50:57and then you also look at the artwork

1:50:59that you can only see from the sky, and

1:51:02like how many of these [ __ ] things do

1:51:04you have to see before you went, what

1:51:05was going on here? You should look at

1:51:08some of the their textiles that they

1:51:10made in Paracas. Like I showed that

1:51:11little monkey thing.

1:51:12>> Those guys were so good. if you don't

1:51:15mind pulling up a picture of Paraca's

1:51:16textiles, Jamie. They were so [ __ ]

1:51:18amazing that these like when I first

1:51:20read about them, I was like, and then I

1:51:22looked at some pictures and these are

1:51:24like they're otherworldly. These to

1:51:26think that these things were being made

1:51:27of over a thousand years ago, 2,000

1:51:29years ago. When you when you you see

1:51:32them, they are they're bunch of little

1:51:35people with just the feathers pointed to

1:51:37one side like they're in motion dancing

1:51:39and [ __ ] Um, like pick uh that like

1:51:42that one you're on right now, Jamie's a

1:51:43great one.

1:51:44>> This one here?

1:51:45>> Uh, no. The that the that yellow one you

1:51:47were hovering over the ones with the

1:51:48people. Look at that's a textile. Look

1:51:51at that [ __ ] 2,000 years old. Look at

1:51:53[ __ ] how beautiful that is. How

1:51:55wellade that is.

1:51:56>> Again, you could see that if you trip.

1:51:58>> Yeah. It's very [laughter] It's very

1:52:00trippy, right? Like it's very

1:52:02psychedelic looking.

1:52:03>> It's very psychedelic. But then you

1:52:04consider that that same culture was

1:52:07doing all these brain surgeries. They

1:52:09were doing the lines on the ground you

1:52:11were talking about. They were modifying

1:52:12skulls. They were building things. They

1:52:15were and and they had people that

1:52:17artisans like this. This was a culture.

1:52:19This was a full-blown civilization that

1:52:21was above and beyond anything that we

1:52:24given credit to at this time. I mean,

1:52:25look at Yeah. Definitely DMT looking,

1:52:27but also holy [ __ ] man. Look at how

1:52:31artistic that is.

1:52:32>> I know. Look at the little faces that

1:52:33are coming out of his whatever the

1:52:35[ __ ] wrapped around [laughter] his

1:52:36nose. Yeah, that boy's having a bad

1:52:38trip.

1:52:39>> Just wild. It is wild art

1:52:42>> and beautiful. So beautiful and so uh

1:52:46like everything else in that culture,

1:52:47they were just it just seemed to be so

1:52:50massively ahead of all their

1:52:51contemporaries. Um

1:52:54again, they they had that symbol that

1:52:56that Paraca's condol visible 12 miles

1:52:58out to sea,

1:53:00>> right?

1:53:00>> And you could think about hopping down

1:53:02the coast looking for that. You could

1:53:03think about guys from Easter Island

1:53:04looking for that or from Polynesia

1:53:06looking for that. We've got DNA that

1:53:08supports all that. There's a genetic

1:53:10drift both directions. It looks like

1:53:11people went from Easter Island to per to

1:53:14Peru and then back is what it looks like

1:53:16according to the genetics

1:53:17>> and that was the big sign like welcome.

1:53:20>> Yeah, that's my thinking. I mean, and

1:53:22again it's like hey here we're we're

1:53:24mingling all even if it was just here's

1:53:26the guys from the islands and here's the

1:53:27guys from up north and here's us. It

1:53:29still it seems like a symbol of like a

1:53:31mixing to me, like a convergence.

1:53:33>> Um, and the DNA stuff again, that's

1:53:37where it really all got me going on it

1:53:39because it's just you pick your genetic

1:53:41deformation and you see it there again

1:53:44with the back of the skull. That's just

1:53:45to me it's like smoking gun. It's like

1:53:47why were they doing this? Well, here's a

1:53:49very solid real explan. And then think

1:53:52about like the evolutionary arms race.

1:53:54This culture is working on bigger brains

1:53:57that can that that has all the

1:53:59intelligence of this species and the

1:54:01ability to see and hear that this

1:54:02species has and we're trying to get the

1:54:04best of both worlds and these guys

1:54:05aren't. You're going to get wiped out by

1:54:08us in a thousand years, 5,000, 10

1:54:10evolution is going to kill you off and

1:54:11prop these up. I think it happened all

1:54:13over the [ __ ] world and Paracus is

1:54:15just the last place that was still doing

1:54:18it. But I think that that elongated

1:54:19schools, that's why we see it all over

1:54:20the world. Soon as humans, soon as homo

1:54:23sapiens and archaic lineages with bigger

1:54:26brains than us in the back started

1:54:28mingling, I think this was like a

1:54:29requirement.

1:54:31>> This is all post younger dries impact

1:54:33too.

1:54:34>> Um right around like the oldest skulls

1:54:37that we know of are around 10,000 BC.

1:54:39Yeah.

1:54:39>> The oldest

1:54:40>> Yes. that we know of in the oldest post.

1:54:43>> Yes. Just right at the right right after

1:54:45right afterwards

1:54:45>> in China. So that's the other part of

1:54:47the question is like if there was uh a

1:54:51cataclysmic event that wiped out vast

1:54:54chunks of civilization, how much was

1:54:56left?

1:54:58How much how much survived? Because it

1:55:00seemed like South America didn't get hit

1:55:02as hard as North America and parts of

1:55:04Europe and Asia. Right.

1:55:06>> Yeah. And Africa was almost unscathed.

1:55:08>> Right. Right. Right. Right.

1:55:10>> Comparably these according to the

1:55:12megaponas. Right.

1:55:13>> Right. Which is So that gets real weird.

1:55:15>> It does. It's like so okay those were

1:55:17those people down in South America fine

1:55:20and what happened was that where

1:55:22advanced civilization existed on earth

1:55:24in the only place because advanced

1:55:26civilization these other places have

1:55:27been wiped out

1:55:28>> yeah that's that's honestly I think that

1:55:31that makes the most sense to me like

1:55:32>> and what happened to them

1:55:34>> that's the real question

1:55:35>> well the the Paracas people what

1:55:37happened before the

1:55:38>> well what happened to the people that

1:55:40built these megalithic structures what

1:55:42happened to the society that existed

1:55:44like was it just time.

1:55:46>> Yeah, I think so. Like they still had,

1:55:48you know, by the time of the of the

1:55:50Spanish showing up, the Inca were still

1:55:52doing those treations in the skull so

1:55:54well that they were up to an 80%

1:55:56survival rate. The Civil War was about

1:55:5940%. By the way, like our Civil War

1:56:02doctors in American Civil War, the only

1:56:03Civil War, our doctors were about 40%

1:56:06about half as good as the Inca at

1:56:08drilling holes in heads and letting

1:56:10somebody through. I mean, [ __ ] dude.

1:56:11>> And why were they drilling holes in

1:56:12heads?

1:56:13>> Same reason because it relieves

1:56:14pressure. So like um like I'm saying

1:56:17that they were doing it as one of the

1:56:18reasons to relieve the pressure from the

1:56:20headache, but if you just get it

1:56:21somebody hits you in the head hard

1:56:22enough, you're going to swell up in the

1:56:25brain, you got to relieve pressure, so

1:56:26they drill a hole to get it out. Um this

1:56:29was uh yeah, a lot of the musket balls

1:56:32that didn't kill a man outright would

1:56:34leave a water on the brain kind of

1:56:35thing. So they'd have to do what they

1:56:37could to relieve the pressure.

1:56:39Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's

1:56:42ugly when you I would not want to have

1:56:43if I would have got shot in the Civil

1:56:44War battlefield knowing what I know now,

1:56:46I'd say just [ __ ] shoot me right

1:56:48here. Finish the job. So my my question

1:56:50is like why don't we see people that

1:56:53live in Peru with larger heads and

1:56:55elongated skulls today?

1:56:58>> Probably because it's illegal to do it.

1:57:00>> Is that it? Is it just a deformation

1:57:02thing or is it a deformationation thing

1:57:05uh you know manipulated thing on top of

1:57:07a cranial deformation that's natural?

1:57:10>> Yeah. Now, if it was the partial natural

1:57:12cranial deformation, I think eventually

1:57:13that would have been bred to be smaller

1:57:15and smaller, less of a pronounced issue

1:57:19um as uh those like I was showing those

1:57:22bones in the back that basically do the

1:57:24play and stuff.

1:57:25>> I think that over time that that we

1:57:27would evolve more accommodating things

1:57:30for it, but that it's still I mean we

1:57:32still have people that have those tiari

1:57:33malfformations today. You know, that cat

1:57:35scan wasn't from 2,000 years ago.

1:57:36people's still have this issue, but um I

1:57:40think that over time, you know, the ones

1:57:42that were too bad at it, their brains

1:57:44are just too [ __ ] big. They're going

1:57:45to die off. And honestly, I think that

1:57:47there was probably some of that Inca

1:57:49type of clan warfare going on it. Now,

1:57:52that's just complete speculation, but

1:57:54>> I mean, there was something, you know, I

1:57:56don't know ex there was something about

1:57:58a thousand years ago that caused all the

1:58:00cliff dwellers and all that [ __ ] Like

1:58:02there was none of these people lived in

1:58:03the cliff dwellings like 2,000 years ago

1:58:05and then they all moved into the cliffs

1:58:07and they all stayed for like a hundred

1:58:08years and they came back out. Like there

1:58:09was some war going on. You'd see a tribe

1:58:11of about 5,000 people would split up

1:58:13into a bunch of little bands of 500 or

1:58:16200 or at the most 50. The Heliloqu

1:58:18dwellings they say had about 60 people

1:58:20that lived in them. 60. It's nothing.

1:58:24And they came from a place of about a

1:58:25thousand.

1:58:26>> So you think they were trying to survive

1:58:27raiders?

1:58:28>> I think it was pretty clearly warfare.

1:58:30Um, and an interesting side note,

1:58:33something that I've never I I went to

1:58:34the Hilaquift Dwellings when I came

1:58:36through here uh last month and I drove a

1:58:38buddy of mine, we drove through New

1:58:40Mexico and and the big old oil fields of

1:58:42Texas and we stopped at the Hilaquift

1:58:45dwellings. And so I looked them up

1:58:47afterwards to make my video about it and

1:58:49they redacted that the artifacts and

1:58:52[ __ ] are redact. It looks like reading a

1:58:54[ __ ] Epstein list emails. It's just

1:58:56like black bar, black bar, black bar,

1:58:57black bar. And what am I looking for?

1:58:59just what they found. And

1:59:01>> and this is just the people that lived

1:59:02in the cliffs.

1:59:03>> Yeah.

1:59:03>> Like why would they redact?

1:59:05>> Oh, that that the archaeologists that

1:59:07this is the peer-reviewed archaeology

1:59:09like the papers that they submitted

1:59:11afterwards. They just because of what

1:59:13they found that the explanation given is

1:59:16they redact information so that people

1:59:18don't go digging up [ __ ] right? So

1:59:20they're like, "Okay, except for in the

1:59:22same paper it says we didn't dig here

1:59:24and we think there's artifacts here a

1:59:26few different times." They're redacting

1:59:27the things that they found and the

1:59:29people that took them and on some

1:59:30occasions where they were found. It's

1:59:33and it's not the only thing in south in

1:59:35the southwest that's that way. The more

1:59:37I look, I see it's fairly common.

1:59:39>> Why do you think they're doing that?

1:59:40>> They're finding some they don't want

1:59:42people to know. Maybe they're selling on

1:59:43the black market would be the most

1:59:45obvious explanation, but like the most

1:59:47mundane. But when it becomes a

1:59:49ubiquitous problem

1:59:52saying the short answer is the same as

1:59:54why they cover up the show on the

1:59:56Epstein list to cover it up to hide it.

1:59:58There's something there they don't want

1:59:59you to know. And what for sure? I don't

2:00:01know. I can't read on the black bars.

2:00:02>> What could you even speculate? Like what

2:00:04would they be trying to hide? It could

2:00:05be dwelling civilizations.

2:00:07>> It could be nothing more than an out of

2:00:09place artifact. It could be

2:00:11>> an out of place artifact.

2:00:12>> Out of place artifact.

2:00:13>> How so? Like what do you mean?

2:00:14>> You mean um like what we consider the

2:00:16antither mechanism to be something

2:00:18that's more advanced for its time. So

2:00:20you know if they just found something

2:00:22that say they don't think that these

2:00:23guys could work iron and they found an

2:00:25iron arrow head there that wasn't a

2:00:27trade piece. It was pre-colian.

2:00:30>> You think they would redact that?

2:00:32>> Uh I don't know. But I know they

2:00:34redacted a lot. Um,

2:00:35>> but is a possible explanation that they

2:00:38just redacted where these things were so

2:00:40that people wouldn't go back to the

2:00:41area.

2:00:43>> It would be if they didn't have so much

2:00:45of the of the stuff that was

2:00:49like [gasps]

2:00:50you had to like it'll say we went to

2:00:53this site and we found black bar and

2:00:56then we went to this site and we found

2:00:58black bar. So took black bar and then

2:01:02it'll be another site that it says at

2:01:03this site we thought there would be some

2:01:04artifacts but we haven't dug yet. Well,

2:01:06why is that site not black? That's the

2:01:09one that's I'm that I'm of all of them.

2:01:11That's the one I want to go to because

2:01:12that's the one you said there's still

2:01:13[ __ ] left to dig up,

2:01:14>> right?

2:01:15>> But that's the one and according to

2:01:17their explanation, that's the one they

2:01:18black bar. But they don't black bar that

2:01:20one. They black. So it honestly looks

2:01:23convoluted. It looks like they're

2:01:24they're they're selling a false bill of

2:01:26goods with that. I haven't.

2:01:29>> What are the other possibilities of the

2:01:30reason why they would redact it other

2:01:32than out ofplace artifacts?

2:01:33>> The the first one, like honestly, the

2:01:35most mundane is just to sell stuff.

2:01:37That's a really cool [ __ ] piece. I'm

2:01:38going to go sell it to Rockefeller.

2:01:40>> And that could be it.

2:01:41>> That could be it.

2:01:41>> And that way they don't have to say what

2:01:43was there. They redacted it and then

2:01:46there's no need to explain where it

2:01:47went.

2:01:48>> That's right.

2:01:48>> That makes more sense.

2:01:49>> That That makes the most sense. It makes

2:01:51the most sense. It does make the most

2:01:52sense. That's got money involved.

2:01:53>> Straight and mundane. And Yep.

2:01:55>> And people love those things. But it's

2:01:58become,

2:02:00like I say, it's it's all over the

2:02:02Southwest. It's not just one or two

2:02:05sites. Um, I just stumbled onto it

2:02:07because I was looking up the the Hila

2:02:09Cliffins because it happened to have

2:02:10been there.

2:02:11>> And that's where I mean, I haven't dug

2:02:12into it enough to put it all together,

2:02:14but it's, you know, when I was here last

2:02:17time, the the cover up stuff was

2:02:19something I was a whole lot less liable.

2:02:21I was a whole lot less accepting of a

2:02:23top down kind of cover up thing, but the

2:02:26skull stuff has honestly got me where

2:02:28it's just like, dude, there's too much

2:02:30of this information that dis it

2:02:31disappears as I use it. I I put it in

2:02:34the link it in the video and two weeks

2:02:35later I can't [ __ ] find it again.

2:02:36It's like

2:02:39at a certain point becomes quite obvious

2:02:40that something's being hidden. when when

2:02:42the maps change over a hundred years and

2:02:44we lose information, you get on Google

2:02:47and ask for the island of Newi elongated

2:02:50skull and it'll tell you it never

2:02:51happened. But then you can bring up a

2:02:52bunch of expeditions of people that had

2:02:54them from the it's it's constant. It's a

2:02:56constant. The information is just not

2:02:59easily accessible. It's hidden. It's

2:03:01covered up. And I don't know why. 100%

2:03:04don't know why. I've got some

2:03:06suspicions. I think some of it probably

2:03:07has to do with like people's belief

2:03:10systems as to where we came from. You

2:03:12know, like uh to give you example like

2:03:16archaeology, like science in general

2:03:18fought against the idea of gradualism

2:03:21and and catastrophism depending on in

2:03:23the early days of science it was out to

2:03:25prove the Bible. So things like erosion

2:03:27weren't what was looked at. It was

2:03:29things like floods and the walls of

2:03:30Jericho collapsing. But then the

2:03:33evolution and then geology it's about

2:03:35the same time it's really slow gradual

2:03:37so it became gradualism was the rule of

2:03:40the day and I [ __ ] you not these two did

2:03:42not become melded together in what they

2:03:45call punctuated equilibrium until 1980

2:03:48with the discovery of the KT impact

2:03:51disaster the whole loop crater when they

2:03:53accepted that the scientific community

2:03:56finally figured out what a [ __ ]

2:03:575-year-old could tell you that looked

2:03:59out the window every day sometimes

2:04:01things happen slowly and gradually.

2:04:03Other times things happen

2:04:05catastrophically and fast. It took

2:04:07science a hundred years to wrap its

2:04:08[ __ ] head around that because of

2:04:09preconceived ideas based on the Bible

2:04:11and where we came from. So I wouldn't be

2:04:13surprised at all if that same kind of

2:04:15psychology was here. evolution's

2:04:17[ __ ] or this proves. Who knows? But

2:04:20it seems like the psychology side of it

2:04:22seems most likely to me that there's

2:04:25some al underlying reason that they just

2:04:28pushing a narrative and that this is

2:04:30flies in the face of it. But again,

2:04:32that's total speculation on my part. One

2:04:34of the weirdest aspects of this whole

2:04:36UAP thing was that there was supposedly

2:04:39meetings with pastors

2:04:41where they were talking about some

2:04:44imminent disclosure that was going to be

2:04:47very disturbing to some of their people.

2:04:50And the speculation

2:04:52was that it was some sort of evidence of

2:04:55human engineering like that human beings

2:04:57had been genetically engineered and that

2:05:00religion itself had been made by

2:05:04extraterrestrials in order to plate

2:05:06mankind and keep everybody calm and

2:05:09together.

2:05:13>> Sure. I mean, that's it's interesting

2:05:15stories, but uh but the weirdest one,

2:05:18like all the the religion stuff made by

2:05:20aliens seems goofy. People made by

2:05:22aliens seems less goofy. It seems like

2:05:25something we would do. If if you went to

2:05:29uh another planet and you found monkeys

2:05:31and you said, "Well, let's take these

2:05:32monkeys and add a little do a little

2:05:35this, do a little of that." I mean that

2:05:38if there's evidence that people were

2:05:40doing that in Peru if that's real. We

2:05:42know that the Nazis were eugenists. We

2:05:44know that that's a concept that people

2:05:47that people do things like that. We know

2:05:49that we engage in genetic engineering of

2:05:51animals.

2:05:52>> We know that we brought back the dire

2:05:54wolf. Like there's there's a lot of

2:05:56weird stuff that we do. Now imagine

2:05:58something infinitely more advanced than

2:06:00us that finds us and go there's a lot of

2:06:02potential in these genes. But add a

2:06:06little [laughter]

2:06:07>> cut cut a hundred million years out of

2:06:09the [ __ ] evolutionary biological

2:06:11process. Let's just [ __ ] ramp these

2:06:13[ __ ] up right quick.

2:06:15>> Go the Zachariah Stitch and H route and

2:06:18make them lust for gold and silver and

2:06:19then every so often we'll just come

2:06:21back, raid Fort Knox, call it a day.

2:06:23>> It's also the book of Enoch.

2:06:25>> Yeah, it's there's a it's really

2:06:27interesting. There's a lot of these

2:06:28things that do seem to line up with it.

2:06:30It's um you know the ancient alien stuff

2:06:32is

2:06:34>> super weird.

2:06:34>> Well, it is like I you know it's

2:06:36honestly using the same kind of thinking

2:06:39that you were just using on the black

2:06:40bars. It's like it's always the aliens

2:06:44are always the last thing I want to

2:06:45posit because the last because it's just

2:06:47the most unlikely like

2:06:48>> that's where you and me differ.

2:06:50[laughter]

2:06:50>> Well, like you know I was one of the

2:06:53ancient alien guys, David Childress. I

2:06:54was in his living room talking with him

2:06:56about it and and he couldn't quite get

2:06:58where my brain is on this cuz I'm

2:07:00skeptical but not I guess. Um and I I

2:07:02told him basically I said look at it

2:07:05like this. If you walked into the

2:07:06bathroom right now and you came back in

2:07:08here and your wallet was missing. Now I

2:07:10could tell you that a dog came in here

2:07:12and grabbed your wallet and ran out the

2:07:14door with it. I could tell you an alien

2:07:15came in here and grabbed your wallet and

2:07:16ran out the door with it. But you're

2:07:17going to think that I [ __ ] did it.

2:07:19And that doesn't mean there's no aliens

2:07:21and doesn't mean there's no dogs. just

2:07:22means that we all know what's most

2:07:24likely and you really use that that it's

2:07:27ju just like with the black bars it's

2:07:29like yeah maybe it's an out ofplace

2:07:30artifact or maybe he's just selling it

2:07:31to some [ __ ] [ __ ]

2:07:33>> and so it's all that's where I always

2:07:35I'm not opposed to the idea of ancient

2:07:37aliens but you got to get me there

2:07:39>> but but then on the flip side like what

2:07:41you said about them uh um changing us I

2:07:43mean you could take that even to the

2:07:45degree look at like uh you've seen the

2:07:47idea that the pyramids were chemical

2:07:48purification plants the land of chem

2:07:51right one of the things that he says

2:07:53jokingly, but he'll say, you know, if an

2:07:54alien race came here and you were trying

2:07:57to set up shop, one of the first things

2:07:58you would do would be set up ways to

2:08:00like make chemicals and make make the

2:08:03stuff that you need to make your society

2:08:05and you would use what was local and

2:08:06what was available. That does does jive,

2:08:10right? It does make sense. So, there's

2:08:11always I mean, I'm not completely

2:08:13opposed ideas, but there's some things

2:08:14that the AAM's razor is a lot sharper on

2:08:17some things than others, I guess you

2:08:18could put it. But it, you know, I I

2:08:20agree. But I think the most complexing,

2:08:23most perplexing part about the pyramids

2:08:26is just that they exist at all.

2:08:28>> Agreed.

2:08:29>> That they exist at all and that they're

2:08:304,500 years old at least. Like it's it

2:08:33doesn't make sense.

2:08:34>> Not even.

2:08:35>> It just doesn't make sense. It doesn't

2:08:37make sense that something that is so

2:08:40involved and so massive and so complex

2:08:43and clearly has a tremendous amount of

2:08:46planning and geometry and understanding

2:08:49of so many different aspects of

2:08:52construction that we have no idea how

2:08:55they accomplished it. There's just too

2:08:56many too many things that line up with

2:08:59that where you just go what is going on?

2:09:02Like isn't it possible that we're

2:09:05missing something? Absolutely. We're

2:09:07definitely missing something with the

2:09:08pyramids. I mean, this is, you know, you

2:09:11know, they think it was 28 years that it

2:09:13was that the great pyramid was built in.

2:09:1528 years

2:09:16>> based on

2:09:17>> based on written records and their

2:09:19assumptions that that Heroditus was

2:09:21right when he wrote about that part.

2:09:22They just disregard the rest. What he

2:09:24Heroditus wrote about that maze of

2:09:25Sakara. [ __ ] that noise. 28-year

2:09:28pyramid. Yeah. And I I've so I've told

2:09:31so many archaeologists, why don't you go

2:09:32build a [ __ ] fire pit in your

2:09:33backyard with cinder blocks and get back

2:09:35to me on that 28 years. It's like you

2:09:37guys have you don't own a [ __ ] tool

2:09:38belt. Go. There is no way. Well, you

2:09:41could have it and you'd have all these

2:09:43teams of people doing all the

2:09:45>> There's millions of stones.

2:09:47>> I I worked as a construction I worked in

2:09:49construction for a long time.

2:09:51>> Oh, this is the one in China.

2:09:52>> Architects and engineers [ __ ] [ __ ] up.

2:09:54>> Heard of this place?

2:09:55>> Yeah.

2:09:55>> Yes, that one's nuts.

2:09:56>> I saw this one recently. But the thing I

2:09:58thought was very strange, they said it

2:10:00was abandoned in like the 14th century.

2:10:02Uh the Yang Shang Quarry, these nubs are

2:10:05on this thing.

2:10:07>> We talked [clears throat] about the nubs

2:10:08being on

2:10:09>> many different pieces.

2:10:11>> They're everywhere all over the world.

2:10:12>> They were saying that they had a they

2:10:14must have clearly had a a plan obviously

2:10:17when they were starting to make it. So

2:10:18the nubs were cut on purpose, but it's

2:10:22they then abandoned it because they

2:10:24figured that they were they made them

2:10:25too big to move, which kind of that

2:10:28[ __ ] they had good planning, but then

2:10:30they also had bad planning.

2:10:31>> So do you think the nubs were involved

2:10:33in the lifting and maneuvering of these

2:10:35things?

2:10:36>> I would not of that one.

2:10:37>> I mean, [laughter] that would have to be

2:10:38the plan, I would say, if that's why

2:10:40they were purposefully here and they're

2:10:42all over it.

2:10:42>> That one looks like it's carved right

2:10:44into the ground, though. Right into the

2:10:46rock. That doesn't look like a rock that

2:10:48was placed there. I might be wrong.

2:10:49>> No, this was still like they hadn't

2:10:50moved. These never got moved.

2:10:52>> Yeah.

2:10:52>> Right. So, it's a but it's a part of a

2:10:54quarry where things did get moved.

2:10:56Right. That's what's really crazy. Like

2:10:58look at that gap. If you go back to that

2:10:59last picture that you just had,

2:11:01>> look at the gap between those two

2:11:02stones. Now, imagine that that was a

2:11:04individual piece of stone that was

2:11:07removed from that gap and somehow placed

2:11:10somewhere. And again, how long ago? And

2:11:13who [ __ ] did it? Who did it? And how

2:11:15did you do it? How'd you do that? What

2:11:18are you using?

2:11:20>> Yes.

2:11:21>> And the to say that's not a mystery is

2:11:23[ __ ] nuts.

2:11:24>> Well, I the

2:11:27>> I don't understand why they why they

2:11:29want to get rid of the side of the

2:11:30mystery to begin with.

2:11:31>> Look at how that looks.

2:11:34>> That looks like someone cut that out.

2:11:37>> Well, I mean, they started to, but with

2:11:39what is

2:11:40>> right, but look how big it is. Look how

2:11:42big the slab is that's next to that

2:11:44structure. The one above it. The where?

2:11:47Yeah, that thing. Look how big that is.

2:11:49Like, was that cut out? It looks like it

2:11:53was cut out.

2:11:54>> Little carving inside of it even. Yeah,

2:11:56>> there's a similar I forgot to I'm trying

2:11:58to remember where it was in my head, but

2:11:59it looks like it's floating. I think

2:12:01it's in China, too, where it's looks

2:12:03like this, but it was put on top of like

2:12:05this

2:12:06>> very small little bit of water.

2:12:08>> I know what you're talking about. Looks

2:12:09>> like a fortress or something.

2:12:10>> Damn.

2:12:12Um, I don't want to sidetrack, but I'm

2:12:13gonna I was looking into this elongated

2:12:16heads thing. It was going on in France

2:12:19up until World War I.

2:12:21>> YEP. WHOA.

2:12:22>> And why I'm finding a very interesting

2:12:25thing here.

2:12:26>> A lot of Neanderls in France.

2:12:27>> Well, so they were

2:12:29>> It was Yes.

2:12:29>> Yeah.

2:12:30>> They were fashion baby bonnets were

2:12:33>> turn to the left. Fashion.

2:12:34>> Why baby bonnets [laughter]

2:12:36were tied on the baby's heads? They did

2:12:40it a little bit of fashion, a little bit

2:12:42to for protection, but there's something

2:12:44here I kind of stumbled across on enough

2:12:46like if you go back further in history,

2:12:48it could make more sense that they were

2:12:49protecting them from spirits. And if

2:12:51you, you know, if you protect, if you

2:12:53tied it tight enough and nothing's

2:12:55getting in there.

2:12:55>> Oh boy.

2:12:56>> And that reshaped the head.

2:12:58>> And it was a poor kid. Look at that poor

2:13:01kid. Oh god.

2:13:03>> Not on purpose to reshape the head, but

2:13:04that's just what happened, you know?

2:13:05Like

2:13:06>> look at that baby. Like I said, eyes

2:13:08bulging out like a mouse caught in a

2:13:09trap.

2:13:10>> Oh [ __ ] man.

2:13:11>> Like it might have been a protection to

2:13:13just like keep your like kids were dying

2:13:14for, you know, all sorts of reasons back

2:13:17then. If they thought something would

2:13:18get into their head to kill them, too,

2:13:20they probably would do anything they

2:13:21could to protect them.

2:13:22>> Yeah.

2:13:22>> Now, you can't increase the capacity.

2:13:25>> Yeah. It didn't increase capacity is

2:13:26what I was saying. Nothing.

2:13:28>> That's what they say. It's it that one's

2:13:30I mean,

2:13:31>> could you [snorts]

2:13:31>> Well, I don't know. I could you stretch

2:13:33it?

2:13:33>> I honestly don't know. I I it's that

2:13:35one's kind of frustrating is because it

2:13:37again you get you can pick your expert.

2:13:39There's people that will say these

2:13:40elongated schools have a higher

2:13:42capacity. There's people that say they

2:13:43don't. And since you can't go put your

2:13:46fingers on them,

2:13:48[ __ ] pick your expert. Here we are

2:13:51[laughter] again. Right back where we

2:13:52started. You pick what what's your

2:13:54opinion. Well, that's that's the truth,

2:13:55my friend. And welcome to 2026. [ __ ]

2:13:58[laughter]

2:13:58>> it's so interesting. Particularly Peru.

2:14:01I mean, when you just all the different

2:14:04things that point to a a spectacularly

2:14:07odd society.

2:14:09>> Oh, man. Yeah.

2:14:10>> And you just go, "What was it like, man?

2:14:12What was what was reality for them? Why

2:14:14did they make those Nazca lines? Why did

2:14:17they make those beautiful drawings that

2:14:19you could only see from the sky?

2:14:22>> The Pacific Northwest has some [ __ ]

2:14:24that's pretty wild. There was Mount

2:14:27Coffin, which is the place I told you

2:14:29where they saw those uh 3,000 burials.

2:14:32Um in the early 1900s, the Portland Star

2:14:35and Cement Company bought Mount Coffin.

2:14:38And the pictures from before are it's

2:14:40like a um basalt formation and it looks

2:14:43partially modified. Um I've got three

2:14:46pictures of it there, Jamie, if you

2:14:47don't mind. The first one with just

2:14:49Mount Coffin. There was like some people

2:14:50I think it says basalt or something but

2:14:52there's like some people on it and the

2:14:54Portland star and gravel company bought

2:14:55it and they mined it all away. They

2:14:57Daughters of the American Revolution

2:14:58tried to buy it. The Illuminati dude

2:15:00that was all like crazy. Yeah, that's

2:15:03that's the picture of it there. There's

2:15:05a picture of a bunch of people standing

2:15:06on it. I think might be the next one

2:15:08over. Um it's like a bunch of uh dudes

2:15:11standing on this basalt formation. It's

2:15:13a a skinnier pick. Sorry. But you can

2:15:15kind of see there where it might be

2:15:17artificially modified. The locals say

2:15:19there was all kinds of cool treasure in

2:15:21there. Now, the dude that built Long

2:15:23View, RA Long, Raw Long, um, built Long

2:15:27View is shape of a pyramid. The the

2:15:29floor plan of Long, not only has it got

2:15:30a pyramid floor plan, it's actually got

2:15:32a little little from the center going

2:15:34out like a little culde-sac that goes

2:15:36out like it's got the focal star from

2:15:37the pyramid coming out of it. It's

2:15:39[ __ ] crazy. the floor floor plan of

2:15:41Long View, if you just um but the

2:15:44streets were paved of the the four main

2:15:47pyramid arcs were paved with the gravel

2:15:51that came from that mountain.

2:15:53>> This this the town is like

2:15:55>> Can I see some images?

2:15:57>> I'm stuck down the 19 Yeah, I'm trying

2:15:59to I got to restart.

2:16:00>> Okay.

2:16:00>> Um but yeah, the uh the guy it was

2:16:03pretty nuts. the guy was like uh he he

2:16:06was a a member of the uh Freemason

2:16:11stuff. Um and they again he couldn't buy

2:16:14the mountain. They wouldn't sell it to

2:16:16him. But but when they he bought the

2:16:18gravel, he had the roads paved in these

2:16:20weird um uh octagons or hexagons instead

2:16:24of uh yeah like a floor plan. You can

2:16:26see like that. See the four from the

2:16:28center. Like if you get a

2:16:31and

2:16:31>> how weird.

2:16:32>> And there's if you get a straight top

2:16:34down view, you can see

2:16:35>> I'm looking at I haven't found one yet.

2:16:37>> Oh, sorry. Um but yeah, you can see

2:16:40there we go. Getting better.

2:16:43>> I think it's harder to see.

2:16:44>> Yeah.

2:16:47>> But yeah, just just map of Long View,

2:16:49Washington. That that picture there, the

2:16:51disruption of Mount Coffin. See how that

2:16:52that's the one there that's got all

2:16:54these people on and stuff and they look

2:16:55like the basalt might have been

2:16:57partially made uh partially modified.

2:16:59They're not 100% right. But there were a

2:17:02lot of rumors about treasures being

2:17:04pulled out of that while they were

2:17:05tearing it down. But

2:17:07by the time that this was all being

2:17:09done, there were already laws against

2:17:10destroying Native American mounds and

2:17:13sites and stuff. So rail, this guy uh

2:17:17Long was a a lumber baron. He comes out

2:17:19there and wants to build up a a lumber

2:17:23mill and stuff and all this crap. So, he

2:17:24builds a town of Long View, a totally

2:17:26planned city. And then he built all this

2:17:29goofy pyramid. He's got there's a a

2:17:31statue of him in the middle of town with

2:17:33um a girl handing him a rose and she's

2:17:36holding a dozen roses and handing him

2:17:37the 13th, which apparently is some sort

2:17:39of weird Freemason [ __ ] I don't know

2:17:41all the all their symbolism, but all

2:17:43kinds of goofy Freemason symbolism,

2:17:45right? And yeah, you see like the the

2:17:48town's laid out as a pyramid and you see

2:17:50to the right the center how it goes out

2:17:52to that little circle on the side.

2:17:53>> Uhhuh.

2:17:54>> Like it's this was um they've cut off

2:17:57the one line since then. Um no longer do

2:18:00they honor Long View's uh Long's

2:18:02original plan. They've actually he had a

2:18:04statue of him that used to face the

2:18:05rising sun. They've relocated it. That

2:18:07town was [ __ ] weird, man. And they

2:18:10they went almost like they're trying to

2:18:12fight his mojo or something. But that's

2:18:13what he did when he stole the Indians

2:18:15mojo. This was their burial mound. This

2:18:17is where they found their sacred

2:18:19>> [ __ ] all that. Pave my streets with it.

2:18:21Make that my mojo.

2:18:23>> And then somebody else is in there now

2:18:25going, "Yeah, [ __ ] your mojo." It's It's

2:18:27weird. And I, you know, I I don't need

2:18:28to believe in all the spiritual stuff,

2:18:30but you know, HP Lovecraft has a great

2:18:33quote about that. He says, "I don't need

2:18:34to believe in Santa Claus to know that

2:18:36people exchange gifts on December 25th.

2:18:38I can still follow your craziness even

2:18:40if I'm not crazy." Right? And so in this

2:18:42case, they seem to be up to [ __ ] some

2:18:44Crazy [ __ ] over there. Fight. But it

2:18:48just happens to be where biggest

2:18:49concentration of elongated skulls in

2:18:51history were.

2:18:53>> Wow.

2:18:53>> And it history doesn't when I say this

2:18:56[ __ ] All the archaeologist. Oh, there's

2:18:57no proof. It's simple math. To be buried

2:19:01here, you had to be a noble. To be a

2:19:03noble, your skull had to be modified.

2:19:053,000 burials were reported. 3,000

2:19:08elongated skulls. Not complicated here.

2:19:10Not tricky. But they'll argue with this

2:19:12to the Oh, Dan doesn't know what the

2:19:13[ __ ] he's talking about.

2:19:14Okay.

2:19:15>> What is your take on the Grand Canyon?

2:19:19>> The Grand Canyon stuff is really weird.

2:19:22>> Talking about Cad's Cave and [ __ ] Yes,

2:19:24dude. That's

2:19:25>> again one of those things where it's

2:19:27like, you know, two years ago, I'd have

2:19:28been like, it probably is Native

2:19:30American stuff at this point. Now, I

2:19:32joked the last one of these uh Quest for

2:19:34ancient civilizations things that we

2:19:35had. I joked on stage when they asked uh

2:19:38they were talking about uh different

2:19:39things that I said that the next time

2:19:41that we have some 9/11 type of [ __ ] and

2:19:43all the alphabet boys run back east, I'm

2:19:45[ __ ] [laughter]

2:19:46brought off to the Grand Canyon. It's

2:19:48time, boys.

2:19:49>> Well, right now you can't go into the

2:19:50area.

2:19:51>> Yeah, because all the off restricted.

2:19:53>> Yeah,

2:19:54>> there's a part of the Grand Canyon

2:19:55that's restricted because it's air quote

2:19:57too dangerous or

2:19:59>> or it's Native American sacred site

2:20:01depending on who you ask. This is

2:20:02>> But I haven't heard that part. Well,

2:20:03yeah. If you That's the explanation that

2:20:05I usually see is,

2:20:06>> oh, that it's Native American sacred.

2:20:08>> Did they claim it's sacred?

2:20:09>> I don't know.

2:20:10>> Cuz you would imagine the whole thing is

2:20:12sacred. You would think,

2:20:13>> wouldn't you think that they were

2:20:15through? Like, that's not stopped us

2:20:16before.

2:20:17>> I was going to say all of a sudden we

2:20:18give a [ __ ] What about Rout Rushmore?

2:20:19>> But the [laughter] fact, right, the fact

2:20:21that it happens to coincidentally be the

2:20:23place where this guy said he found a

2:20:25cave with Egyptian art in it.

2:20:27>> Exactly. That's where What year was that

2:20:30story?

2:20:30>> Oh, I want to say 1920. 9

2:20:33>> 1909.

2:20:34>> I'm off. Sorry.

2:20:36>> Let's see. What is uh

2:20:37>> It says it's a hoax.

2:20:39>> Yeah, of course it says it's a hoax.

2:20:40>> Yeah.

2:20:41>> No, sorry.

2:20:41>> There were though.

2:20:43>> There were hoaxes back then.

2:20:44>> Oh, yeah.

2:20:44>> Oh, yeah.

2:20:45>> There a bunch of hoaxes. A bunch of

2:20:46people. There were a contest to try to

2:20:48get your [ __ ] hoax reported the most.

2:20:51>> Oh, yeah. I'm sure there's hoaxes. The

2:20:53Grand Canyon hoax, though. The thing

2:20:54that's weird to me is that you can't go

2:20:56there.

2:20:57>> Oh, yeah. A 1909 newspaper story

2:20:59claiming a vast ancient underground city

2:21:01complete with mummies, copper tools,

2:21:02hieroglyphs, and oriental, in quotes, or

2:21:05Egyptian style artifacts have been

2:21:08discovered inside the canyon.

2:21:09Overwhelmingly regarded as a period tall

2:21:12tale, not an archaeological discovery.

2:21:16In March 12, 2009,

2:21:18J GE Concincaid

2:21:20>> 1909,

2:21:21>> excuse me, 1909. GE Concincaid,

2:21:23supposedly a lone explorer who had

2:21:25traveled the Colorado River from Green

2:21:27River, Wyoming to Yuma. April 5th, 1909.

2:21:31Paper dramatically expanded the claim.

2:21:33It said Concaid had found a nearly

2:21:35inaccessible cave citadel in the canyon

2:21:38that uh Professor S. A. Jordan and the

2:21:41Smithsonian were investigating it. The

2:21:44article described hundreds of rooms,

2:21:46mummies in a crypt, copper and gold

2:21:48vessel, strange writing, a Buddha-like

2:21:50idol, graneries, and space for up to

2:21:5350,000 inhabitants. Wait, what?

2:21:56>> Yeah. [laughter]

2:21:56>> Said the inhabitants may have originated

2:21:58in Egypt or somewhere in the Orient.

2:22:01>> But no, I do know that Jason guy, and

2:22:03he's um kind of a two-faced piece of

2:22:06crap, so I wouldn't trust everything

2:22:07that he says here. If he saw something

2:22:09that flew in the face of his narrative,

2:22:10he will not report it.

2:22:12>> Who is this guy? that Jason Kolivo guy.

2:22:14He's a professional debunker. That's um

2:22:17basically Yeah, I He's He's one If you

2:22:21ask Graham Hancock to list off the top

2:22:2310 pieces of [ __ ] that argue with him,

2:22:25this guy's name's going to come up.

2:22:27>> There's no known physical evidence, no

2:22:29cave complex matching the description,

2:22:31excavated material, field notes,

2:22:33photographs, maps, uh accession records,

2:22:37or peer-reviewed archaeological report.

2:22:40The alleged Smithsonian personnel and

2:22:42expedition do not correspond to a

2:22:44documented Smithsonian project in the

2:22:46way the article claimed. But is there a

2:22:50documented his Smithsonian project in

2:22:52the Grand Canyon? Well, to me, to me,

2:22:55this is like really simple. This is the

2:22:57same as it's simple to figure out

2:22:58whether or not these skulls have more

2:23:01like capacity or not. Just [ __ ] let

2:23:04somebody go there. if it's too dangerous

2:23:06or if it's a native, get a Native

2:23:08American archaeology team, get some

2:23:10drones, [ __ ] investigate and close

2:23:12the door on it. But let me ask you this.

2:23:15If they really did find an immense

2:23:19cavern that could have 50,000 people

2:23:21living in it, and they found Egyptian

2:23:23hieroglyphs and mummies and sarcophagus

2:23:25or whatever they whatever they found. Do

2:23:27you think they would hide that?

2:23:29>> I That's a tough one. Honestly, honestly

2:23:32something that

2:23:32>> Don't you think that the people that

2:23:34discovered that would become famous?

2:23:36>> Oh yeah.

2:23:37>> And it would be a huge thing and

2:23:39archaeologists would want to get credit

2:23:42for it.

2:23:43>> Yes and no. Um like like let's put it

2:23:47this way. Say for instance you found

2:23:49something that that

2:23:51proved those tridactyl mummies were

2:23:54real. Okay.

2:23:54>> Okay.

2:23:55>> You know you're going to get push back.

2:23:57>> Okay. Now say for instance you're a

2:23:59mainstream archaeologist. your your

2:24:00whole job is is reliant on going through

2:24:05the proper channels. Now, I've seen what

2:24:07Flint did to me when I called him out as

2:24:09a liar. Do you know how many people call

2:24:10me They put me in the same [ __ ] camp

2:24:12as Madam Levonsky now. I'm dead serious.

2:24:14They'll call me total pseudocientists.

2:24:16They say that I believe in all kinds of

2:24:18crazy [ __ ]

2:24:19>> Who's that person you just said?

2:24:20>> Madam Lavoski.

2:24:21>> Who's that? She's one of the uh old like

2:24:24the turn of the century during the uh

2:24:26like a hundred years ago when everybody

2:24:27was the the the

2:24:29what do they call during the memeism era

2:24:31and stuff when all the people were

2:24:33seances and she was one of those

2:24:35>> [ __ ] artist

2:24:37and so she [laughter]

2:24:38they put me in the same category, right?

2:24:40Um like the guy that I talked to about

2:24:43the metal urgy and the ice age is an ice

2:24:46core specialist. Flint crawled up his

2:24:48ass and got this dude to retract what he

2:24:50said and stuff.

2:24:52If you're a mainstream archaeologist and

2:24:54you fly a foul of these other guys,

2:24:55you're liable to lose your job. Yeah.

2:24:57Like I was saying earlier, it says it

2:24:59right in the Wikipedia thing. If you

2:25:01posited an earlier dating of the people

2:25:03of the Americas than this, these guys

2:25:05were going to destroy your career.

2:25:06>> I understand that. but to get the

2:25:08military involved and to block off the

2:25:10Grand Canyon because there's an area

2:25:13that's too dangerous or it's an area

2:25:16that's sacred to Native Americans to me

2:25:18is a bit of a reach that you get the

2:25:20Pentagon involved and they they send

2:25:22[ __ ] Blackhawk helicopters to circle

2:25:25the area and make sure that hikers

2:25:26aren't

2:25:27>> climbing. Something's up there.

2:25:28Something's up there. I mean, it might

2:25:30be nothing more than they got a military

2:25:32base sitting in there.

2:25:33>> I mean, dude, in Sedona, holy [ __ ] I'd

2:25:36never seen a UFO and I went when I was

2:25:38in Sedona they there's a what they call

2:25:40secret mountain and they hand me these

2:25:42dudes hand me these night vision goggles

2:25:44and it was like you're seeing all these

2:25:46little things in the air and then it was

2:25:47like five lights come out from this

2:25:49cloud they move in and they all

2:25:51disappeared together and I was like all

2:25:53this happens over secret mountain all

2:25:54the time I'm like yeah

2:25:56>> Sedona is a weird place man

2:25:58>> Sedona is [ __ ] weird

2:25:59>> and the people there are weird as [ __ ]

2:26:01>> I have never seen so many hustlers that

2:26:03weren't hooked on meth in my [ __ ]

2:26:05life. Everybody there's got everybody

2:26:07there's got a way to make 20 bucks here,

2:26:0820 bucks there. But that's cuz it's more

2:26:10expensive to buy a to rent a home in

2:26:12Sedona than it is to rent property to

2:26:15rent business property on the main drag.

2:26:17They can't get minimum wage people to

2:26:18work there. They they it's 20 miles to

2:26:21the nearest town or 15 miles to the

2:26:22nearest town. So like they have a real

2:26:25hard time. Sedona is just kind of

2:26:26collapsing under its own weight.

2:26:29>> Well, it's all newagy people, right?

2:26:31>> All newagy people and they're all trying

2:26:33to make a buck anyway they can. So, why

2:26:34are the newagy people attracted to

2:26:36Sedona?

2:26:38>> Because of the because of the uh what do

2:26:40you call it? The

2:26:42>> Yeah, the the the reputation of uh

2:26:45>> you know, it's funny the the guy uh my

2:26:47my buddy Robert, he's organizing this

2:26:49whole thing that's going to be at the

2:26:51ACL. He uh he's lived in Sedona for

2:26:54years and he tells me like a lot of

2:26:55these vortices like there was like three

2:26:57of them that were energy vortexes that

2:26:59were known about and then this woman

2:27:01comes through in the 80s or the 90s and

2:27:03she said she found a whole bunch more

2:27:05and he says it's really funny she's

2:27:07grossly overweight and that's why every

2:27:09one of the vortices she found is about

2:27:115t from the highway. [laughter]

2:27:16The three real ones, they're out in the

2:27:17sticks, man. Or in the desert, but

2:27:20[laughter] Madvoski, she says it's right

2:27:22there.

2:27:23>> How convenient.

2:27:24>> Right. Right next to my bag of Juju

2:27:25beans.

2:27:26>> That's funny. Has anybody tried to find

2:27:28I know there's this one guy who went to

2:27:30the Grand Canyon. He got chased out, but

2:27:32he found something really weird there.

2:27:35>> Yeah, I'm think there's I just found a

2:27:36comment on a video that said this guy

2:27:38was actually hit by a drunk driver, and

2:27:40he has some of the best videos.

2:27:42>> Hit by a drunk driver and killed. Yes,

2:27:43he's dead now. Yeah, I used to watch

2:27:45this guy a lot.

2:27:46>> This video has four million views in two

2:27:47years. So,

2:27:48>> you a lot of people would use Google

2:27:50Earth and to be like, "Hey, check this

2:27:51out." But [ __ ] use Google Earth.

2:27:53And then he'd go there.

2:27:54>> And what did he find that's so baffling?

2:27:56>> I don't know. I have to watch the video

2:27:57and find out.

2:27:57>> You imagine if they whacked this guy

2:27:59because he found something.

2:28:01>> No,

2:28:02>> that's happened before.

2:28:05>> What did he find?

2:28:06>> That's I almost

2:28:07>> So, is he in the area where you're not

2:28:08supposed to be?

2:28:10>> I don't know. That's I'm trying to

2:28:11stumble. I'm going through all sorts of

2:28:13places real quick. I also would go if uh

2:28:15it wouldn't be two years later that we

2:28:17just found this amazing discovery if

2:28:19people would have shared this every day

2:28:21on Twitter, you know.

2:28:22>> Yeah. Right. But [clears throat] what is

2:28:23it? What's the amazing

2:28:24>> discovery? There could be nothing. I you

2:28:26know

2:28:26>> what is this?

2:28:27>> I don't know. I don't know where he's

2:28:28at.

2:28:28>> He found this.

2:28:29>> That's a cliff dwelling obviously. But

2:28:31>> that's in the Grand Canyon.

2:28:32>> Yeah. I've seen this in other pictures

2:28:34though. So it's that's not a you know

2:28:35discovery,

2:28:36>> right? So we know there were dwellings

2:28:38in the Grand Grand Canyon. The real

2:28:40question is that grand claim of

2:28:43something that has 50,000 people

2:28:45>> Grand Canyon hidden cave

2:28:47>> a thousand hidden caves although around

2:28:49335 are officially recorded and most are

2:28:52strictly off limits to the public. See,

2:28:55and that's that's now why are those off

2:28:56limits to the public, but other cliff

2:28:59dwelling places allow people to

2:29:02>> what's that?

2:29:03>> All sorts of reasons where they are.

2:29:05Like you said, there could be part of

2:29:06it's on native land. Some it's probably

2:29:08very dangerous to get to.

2:29:10>> Want to come save you.

2:29:12>> Yeah.

2:29:13>> But it does get kind of weird when you

2:29:15look at like

2:29:16>> So, some of them are legal. It says

2:29:18legal visits Grand Canyon Caverns

2:29:20located off Route 66 near Peach Springs,

2:29:22Arizona. the biggest, largest, dry

2:29:24caverns in the US and offer public

2:29:26tours. Click on that.

2:29:27>> Yeah. I say just because it's not open

2:29:29to the public doesn't mean you can't go

2:29:30there. You just have to ask for

2:29:31permission probably in some cases and

2:29:32just get a tour guide or something.

2:29:34>> Yeah, but I think the area we're talking

2:29:35about is closed.

2:29:37>> That's I don't I haven't seen I'm

2:29:39looking for a list.

2:29:39>> At the mouth of the Colorado, it's at

2:29:41the mouth of the Colorado River

2:29:44>> is where Concaid supposedly found his

2:29:46thing. So like at right at the mouth of

2:29:48the Colorado River is where the Grand

2:29:50Canyon is like suppose from what I

2:29:52understand is where you just can't go

2:29:54like on the on the side of the hill

2:29:55there on the side of the cliff. But I

2:29:58haven't tried going I'm waiting again

2:30:00I'm waiting for the next time till

2:30:01there's a national disaster and

2:30:02everybody runs back east cuz man I you

2:30:03know I living on the west coast I don't

2:30:05live far from Hanford a little ways but

2:30:07it's real clear like when World War II

2:30:09happened they're like oh we're going to

2:30:11build this [ __ ] crazy bomb that might

2:30:13blow the world up. Let's put it all the

2:30:15way on the other side of the country

2:30:17from where we live over where all those

2:30:19cowboys and and hicks live. And if we,

2:30:22you know, if Washington glows in the

2:30:23dark, well then 50 years later, we got a

2:30:25bunch of blue-haired [ __ ]

2:30:26running out of Seattle. So you figure

2:30:28that one out as you will. But they

2:30:31definitely, you know, they put all the

2:30:32poison over with us. That's that's how

2:30:34they plan to do it. It's um it's the

2:30:36same in the desert, right? They dump all

2:30:37that [ __ ] out in the desert. Why do they

2:30:39test all the nukes in the desert in

2:30:40instead of over on somewhere near the

2:30:42east? because they don't want that [ __ ]

2:30:44blowing in their backyard. All those

2:30:46nice Rhode Island houses you're talking

2:30:47about. They they don't need radiated

2:30:49radiate Seattle,

2:30:51>> right?

2:30:51>> So,

2:30:52>> damn.

2:30:53>> Yeah. Yeah. Hanford's crazy. If you ever

2:30:55drive through there up in Washington,

2:30:57there's all these nuclear storage

2:30:58facility.

2:30:59>> I wonder if someone has a reason why you

2:31:02can't go to that area that they could

2:31:04tell us about.

2:31:05>> That's there. Unfortunately, from what

2:31:07I've seen, I mean, I might I'm not as

2:31:10Jaime's pretty damn quick. So, I'll get,

2:31:12you know, he might find something that I

2:31:13haven't seen quickly, but uh from what

2:31:16I've seen, it's it's very much like he

2:31:19says, she says this guy said there was

2:31:20stuff there. They say there's nothing

2:31:22there. They won't let you go there.

2:31:23There was one guy that claimed to have

2:31:25tried to go there and like he supposedly

2:31:26had a video where like people stopped

2:31:29him before he got there, but I watched

2:31:30it. It looked kind of like maybe.

2:31:33>> But they say that about Secret Mountain

2:31:35in Sedona. They say that if you go

2:31:36walking around on Secret Mountain up in

2:31:38Sedona that eventually a park ranger

2:31:40will come up to you. He's a lot buffer

2:31:42and better armed than most park rangers

2:31:44you're going to meet and oh Joe Rogan

2:31:48security. No.

2:31:49>> Do you think there's maybe some sort of

2:31:51an alien base somewhere in the United

2:31:54States?

2:31:54>> If if there are aliens and they're

2:31:56actively working with governments at

2:31:59all, then ours ours the Russians and the

2:32:02Chinese would be the only ones they'd

2:32:03give a [ __ ] about. Let's be honest.

2:32:05There's there's not the rest of the

2:32:06countries are the rest of the world all

2:32:07kind of just follows us. The oils, if

2:32:10you're an alien race, the oils, oh, look

2:32:12at those cute guys in their coal,

2:32:14>> right?

2:32:14>> But beyond that, yeah, I think if I I

2:32:17don't like I'm pretty skeptical when it

2:32:19comes to alien stuff. But if aliens are

2:32:20visiting Earth,

2:32:22>> um then yeah, I would ass if they're

2:32:24working with humans at all, then yeah,

2:32:25they're probably working with

2:32:26governments. And when I say skeptical

2:32:28about the alien thing, it's really one

2:32:30of two things. either we're so far away

2:32:32and technology. So, like look at where

2:32:34we're at now. We're maybe hundred years

2:32:36from actually some sort of interstellar

2:32:37travel and we're also maybe 20 years

2:32:39from completely wiping ourselves out. I

2:32:41think a 20-year-old kid with a million

2:32:43dollars can buy crisper and sit there

2:32:44and make genes in his [ __ ] B. [ __ ]

2:32:46We ain't looking long left on this rock,

2:32:48bro. We got [ __ ] AI. Do you hear what

2:32:50they did with that fruitfly? They took

2:32:52the fruitfly brain, put it in a

2:32:53computer, a physics engine, and it's all

2:32:55running around and flying like it's

2:32:56real. They max headroom this fruit fly.

2:32:58They chopped it brain into little

2:32:59pieces. Well, now they got it playing

2:33:02Beat Saber and [ __ ] Doom and all this

2:33:05other [ __ ] And you ever read the book,

2:33:07I have no mouth, but I must scream. At

2:33:09the very end, it's like these aliens

2:33:11genetically manipulating people. And at

2:33:13the end, there's this person that it's

2:33:14just like a blob. And that's what it

2:33:16says. I have no mouth, but I feel the

2:33:17urge to scream. Imagine being a fruitly

2:33:19with all my balls itch. I press the

2:33:21balls itch button. It's Beat Saber. It's

2:33:23like, [ __ ] That fruit fly is going to

2:33:25suffer more than any other animal in the

2:33:27history of humanity from kids pulling

2:33:29the wings off a fly. Oh, just set that

2:33:31brain to experience 10,000 years of me

2:33:33ripping its wings off. And here we are.

2:33:35We're we're doing it right now. We're

2:33:37doing that [ __ ] right now that they're

2:33:38ripping the wings. But Beat saber and

2:33:39[ __ ] That thing suff. So anyway, my

2:33:42point is is as a species as we look at

2:33:44going out into the stars, we're also

2:33:46guttural as [ __ ] So a species has to

2:33:49get through a lot of has a lot of

2:33:50hurdles to jump,

2:33:52>> right? But if they jump those hurdles,

2:33:54there ain't no way we're not going to be

2:33:56impressive. We're not going to be

2:33:57attractive because there it's universe

2:33:59is dead, man. So it's mo dead life. Dead

2:34:03dead dead life. They're going to look at

2:34:05us. So I have basically two sides of the

2:34:08coin on that is on the one I'm pretty

2:34:10skeptical of them getting getting it

2:34:11going, but if they did getting it going,

2:34:13well, yeah, they'd come around.

2:34:15>> Yeah. I don't know that they would be

2:34:18like us. Like our idea is like that

2:34:20we're so violent and we develop these

2:34:22weapons, we do that, we're so close to

2:34:24destroying ourselves. What if that's a

2:34:26factor of accelerated evolution? What if

2:34:28that's a factor of you take intellect

2:34:30and this lust for

2:34:34technology and to transform its

2:34:38environment and you implant that in a

2:34:40territorial primate?

2:34:42>> Yeah. That I mean, yeah. like you're

2:34:44you're dealing with like a weird hybrid

2:34:47>> of an evolved species. Like an evolved

2:34:49species that still maintains this tribal

2:34:52primitive behavior but also has this

2:34:54incredible lust for innovation.

2:34:57>> Mhm. No, I I could see that. I

2:35:00>> So we're like too complicated because

2:35:01we're not good. Yeah. We didn't

2:35:03>> we're [ __ ] design.

2:35:04>> Yeah. We grew out of our we too big one

2:35:07direction I I follow. And yeah, that's a

2:35:09that's a good possibility. I mean, it's

2:35:12ultimately I my brain on these things

2:35:14ends up thinking about the probability

2:35:18of all these different things happening.

2:35:19It seems to me if if we were genetically

2:35:22manipulated by aliens, um, you know,

2:35:25even not if we weren't genetically

2:35:26manipulated by aliens, you know, one of

2:35:29the things you have to do to get off of

2:35:30the rock is going to have to be a uh

2:35:32curious species, right? That's something

2:35:34otherwise they don't give a [ __ ]

2:35:35They're going to have to be social

2:35:37>> uh because they're going to have to work

2:35:38together. they're going to have to be

2:35:39godlike in and of themselves. So,

2:35:41there's a few things that we can assume

2:35:43about them, but yeah. Um,

2:35:46we only have one example of intelligence

2:35:48evolving. And if it didn't evolve, if it

2:35:50was created like you're saying, then we

2:35:53don't really know.

2:35:54>> We have multiple examples.

2:35:55>> Well, dolphins and orcas.

2:35:57>> Yeah. We we have a hard time whales.

2:35:59Well, but we have a hard time um

2:36:03we have a hard time, like you were

2:36:04saying earlier, we have a hard time uh

2:36:06understanding them. They they might they

2:36:08might be extremely intelligent in a lot

2:36:09of ways, but there's a lot of they might

2:36:11not be the least bit intelligent. A

2:36:13raccoon might be way better. It probably

2:36:15is way better at manipulating its

2:36:16environment than a dolphin.

2:36:17>> Of course.

2:36:18>> So that point

2:36:20>> because it's not necessary in their

2:36:21world. They they move through 3D space.

2:36:23>> Exactly. So um but then so their brain

2:36:27might not even have developed certain

2:36:28things that we Right.

2:36:29>> Yeah. So

2:36:30>> then the question is did it develop

2:36:32something else? Like is their form of

2:36:34communication superior? That's

2:36:38see that's where really like the words

2:36:40like what is what's the end goal? Is the

2:36:42end goal to have a good life or is the

2:36:44end goal to get off the rock? I mean if

2:36:47if the end goal is to have a good like

2:36:48uh a good life, Ari Mat's got it nailed

2:36:51when he when he talks about the people

2:36:52on the the love on the spectrum. They're

2:36:54way happier than all the [laughter] rest

2:36:55of us are. Ari Maddie, excuse me. But um

2:37:00the the love on the spectrum or excuse

2:37:02me the uh

2:37:04the h you know is it about happiness or

2:37:06is it about survival? Is it about

2:37:08getting off the what's the end goal?

2:37:10It's like

2:37:11>> well is the end goal collective for the

2:37:12human species to evolve and advance and

2:37:15move past the state that we're at now or

2:37:18is your own individual existence and

2:37:20your happiness currently? Like what's

2:37:22what's important? And we don't really

2:37:25move collectively as individual. We

2:37:27think we do things collectively, but we

2:37:29think about ourselves.

2:37:30>> Yeah.

2:37:31>> You know, when when people are like

2:37:32planning for their retirement, they're

2:37:33not like trying to help out the human

2:37:35race. They're like trying to provide for

2:37:37themselves.

2:37:38>> That's correct. But on the other side,

2:37:40like when um when I'm working on doing

2:37:44research, and you do a lot of research,

2:37:46you'll probably understand this

2:37:47yourself, or when GSP invents the

2:37:49Superman punch, it's like you when you

2:37:51bring something new to the world, you

2:37:53kind of feel cool, you know? you kind of

2:37:55feel like I've just contributed to the

2:37:58grand total of human thinking and I

2:38:00didn't just add like a a dot or

2:38:01something. I actually I I contribute

2:38:04that's

2:38:04>> so you could see where almost like a

2:38:06subconscious desire to do that.

2:38:08>> Um so yeah, it is weird. It's like you

2:38:11know we do you watch birds fly together

2:38:13and fish move in a school and then you

2:38:15watch mobs. It's like dude there is some

2:38:17sort of unimmind that's tying us

2:38:18together. It does and I'm not trying to

2:38:20get all metaphysical. This might not be

2:38:22nothing more than than pherommones and

2:38:24chemicals, but something's got us where

2:38:27people act. You can feel it at times.

2:38:30You can walk into a room and feel the

2:38:31[ __ ] energy and just know, "Oh, I

2:38:34shouldn't be in this room. These people

2:38:35don't like me. This guy, it's not

2:38:38and it's not necessarily like a

2:38:40metaphysical thing, although that's the

2:38:42branch, the stamp that everybody puts

2:38:43on. It's one of the unfortunate things

2:38:44is that if something becomes like like

2:38:46water dowsing, if something starts as a

2:38:48metaphysical thing, science is going to

2:38:50kneejerk to the end of time to resist

2:38:52it. But ask anybody who drills wells

2:38:54about dowsing. If they drill wells for a

2:38:56[ __ ] living, they douse. Period. Just

2:38:59like a cop knows that full moon fever is

2:39:01a thing. The scientist, well, full moon

2:39:03fever statistically. The cop's like,

2:39:05"Yeah."

2:39:05>> What do you think is going on with

2:39:06dowsing? Honestly, I think it's You

2:39:09remember when we used to have tube TVs

2:39:11everywhere and you'd walk down the

2:39:12street and you'd know your friend was

2:39:13watching TV because you could feel the

2:39:15[ __ ] hair on the back of your neck

2:39:16stand up or whatever?

2:39:17>> No.

2:39:18>> You don't remember? You never felt the

2:39:19electromagnetic feeling of a tube TV?

2:39:22>> No.

2:39:22>> Well, I didn't walk by my friend's house

2:39:24and know he was watching TV.

2:39:26>> Did you ever you ever be able to walk

2:39:28into a room and know that that tube TV

2:39:30was on? You don't remember like the

2:39:31>> God, I don't I don't remember that.

2:39:33>> Well, I know that a lot of the viewers

2:39:35remember it's a thing. I'm sure if Jamie

2:39:36looks it up,

2:39:37>> you could feel the energy of the

2:39:38>> you can feel that the old tube TVs, you

2:39:40could feel them

2:39:41>> and um they don't have an exact

2:39:45reason, but you know, it's

2:39:46electromagnetics and you maybe there's

2:39:48iron in your blood. That's

2:39:50>> And so this dowsing, it's like with

2:39:52rods, those those those twisty rods, and

2:39:55they move together when you're getting

2:39:56close to

2:39:57>> walking over a water source. Yeah. They

2:39:58just do.

2:39:59>> Do you think it really works?

2:40:00>> Uh according to the guys that make money

2:40:02off of it, it does. and and I wouldn't I

2:40:05mean

2:40:05>> has anybody tried to do a study on why

2:40:06that would work?

2:40:08>> They that that's where um the only

2:40:10things I've seen were pretty skeptical

2:40:12and pretty kind of just like it doesn't

2:40:14work. But um again that's kind of where

2:40:17the rubber meets the road. It's like

2:40:19>> seems like that would be easy to prove.

2:40:21>> You'd think so. Like you got a dowser.

2:40:23>> Yeah. Well and that that's the thing is

2:40:25that they science wants everybody to be

2:40:27able to do it. You know what I mean?

2:40:29They want to be able to we're going to

2:40:30get 50 people together and have them all

2:40:32go out in the field and douse.

2:40:33>> You would take a someone as good at it.

2:40:36So CRT sets used a high voltage flyback

2:40:39transformer and magnetic deflection

2:40:41system to sweep an electron beam across

2:40:43the screen. Those parts commonly

2:40:45vibrated around the horizontal scan

2:40:47frequency roughly 15 to 16 kHz in many

2:40:51TV standards creating a very high thin

2:40:53tone. Children and young adults tend to

2:40:56hear high frequencies better. So they

2:40:58were especially likely to walk into a

2:41:00house or pass a closed door and

2:41:02immediate know the TV was running. Whoa.

2:41:06>> Static charge and beneath that as well.

2:41:08>> That's interesting that children and

2:41:10younger adults can pick it up. Like they

2:41:12also like see ghosts.

2:41:14>> Yeah, this might be what difference.

2:41:16You're just a few years older than me

2:41:17and so you might not remember it as

2:41:19well.

2:41:19>> Maybe maybe people just got duller over

2:41:21time and they can't feel it anymore.

2:41:24>> Yeah. Well, these these don't use that

2:41:26those transformers and all that. Right.

2:41:28Of course. Yeah. These are these are a

2:41:30joke by comparison. But my point is

2:41:32there's things like this that we we can

2:41:34pick up on. There's things that we pick

2:41:36up on that we that that we can be

2:41:39tested. And honestly, I love psychology.

2:41:43Although I'll psychology, just like

2:41:45archaeology, is not a science. I don't

2:41:46care when anything that self-reported is

2:41:48not a [ __ ] science. You think Epstein

2:41:50told his shrink what he was up to? [ __ ]

2:41:52no. Okay, there you go. So, but

2:41:55psychology does have some scientific

2:41:57bits and uh one of the things though is

2:41:59ultimately it's the lens that all of it

2:42:00comes through. Everything that we do

2:42:02comes down through that psychological

2:42:03lens. Like me talking earlier about it

2:42:05taking hundred years for them to

2:42:06reconcile gradualism and catastrophism.

2:42:09It's all through here

2:42:11>> and it's all through the zeitgeist to

2:42:12the time like right now racism is the

2:42:14big thing and all this social programs

2:42:16and so that becomes part of science for

2:42:18whatever [ __ ] reason. I mean, I'll

2:42:21still never forget the time I saw the

2:42:23article about feminist math and I just

2:42:24wanted to [ __ ]

2:42:26>> What was it?

2:42:26>> Feminist math. You know, it's that it

2:42:29>> I don't know. Maybe six oppresses seven.

2:42:31I don't [ __ ] know. I don't [laughter]

2:42:33really know. I [clears throat] guess

2:42:35seven's more pointy and six has the

2:42:36whole probably the other way. And at any

2:42:38rate,

2:42:39>> it's I just laughed. It's there's we

2:42:43don't have room for that [ __ ] in

2:42:44science. The whole point of science I

2:42:46say this a bunch. The whole point of

2:42:47science is to like the whole point of

2:42:49the scientific method is to strip

2:42:50individual biases away. This is why

2:42:53replicability is so [ __ ] important

2:42:55because if I do it and you do it and you

2:42:57don't get the same result as me, there's

2:43:00a problem. Um,

2:43:01>> it's weird when it gets into racial

2:43:03differences and they just ignore it

2:43:04completely and they they they call the

2:43:07data racist.

2:43:08>> Oh yeah, that's exactly what and then

2:43:11then the guys that are like openly

2:43:12racist, they love that data. Well, the

2:43:14weird thing about the data being racist

2:43:16is [snorts] uh it's not white

2:43:17supremacists at all because Asians are

2:43:19doing way better.

2:43:20>> Yeah, exactly. But you don't want to

2:43:21talk about that. You're that's like

2:43:25>> the problem is the people that aren't

2:43:26doing as well.

2:43:27>> The problem is is that they're in my

2:43:28opinion is they're trying to take

2:43:30Marxism and turn it into a anything

2:43:32besides a monetary [ __ ] idea. You

2:43:35try to do it well at a social level.

2:43:36Social Marxism. Oh, come on, dude. This

2:43:39is how you get the oppression Olympics.

2:43:41You know, I've I've got it worse than

2:43:42you know how much money I had to spend

2:43:44to get custody of my kid and I had no

2:43:46social programs for me. Oh, wo was

2:43:49>> and you go you go on that [ __ ] forever.

2:43:51It's it's so stupid. The one of my you

2:43:54know 95% of the people that are shot in

2:43:56this country by the cops are men. Do we

2:43:59need a men's lives matter movement or is

2:44:01that a little [ __ ] up? Okay, but

2:44:03that's it's

2:44:04>> Well, it's also men are the ones who

2:44:06create most of the violence. They're the

2:44:07ones that need to get shot. Well, this

2:44:09how about how this my thinking is like

2:44:11this. When a a a cop shoots a person,

2:44:14he's shoots a guy, he feels more

2:44:16threatened than he does by a woman. And

2:44:18when he shoots a black guy, he feels

2:44:19more threatened than he does by a white

2:44:21guy. Now, whether that's racism or

2:44:23personal experience or town by town,

2:44:26whatever, at the end of the day, just

2:44:27saying this is pure racism is like,

2:44:30"Okay, well then this is pure sexism,

2:44:31right?" Oh, no. It's not pure sexism

2:44:33when they're shooting guys, but it's

2:44:34when they're black. I mean, in all

2:44:37honesty, Donald Trump has a higher

2:44:39chance of being shot by the cops wrongly

2:44:40than Camala Harris. That's statistically

2:44:43like way more likely, like 20 times more

2:44:46likely

2:44:46>> in terms of men getting shot more than

2:44:47women.

2:44:48>> White guys are 20 times more likely to

2:44:50get shot by the cops wrongly than a

2:44:52black woman.

2:44:52>> Right. And this is not that's not

2:44:54denying racism or denying sexism. It's

2:44:56just

2:44:57>> you're dealing with statistics. I'm what

2:44:59I'm trying to do is take the I only

2:45:00bring these up because so many people

2:45:02bring up these statistics to say this is

2:45:04a problem and this is a problem and this

2:45:06is a problem and that's what when you

2:45:07bring up this one that's just

2:45:08overwhelmingly it's like all of a sudden

2:45:10we look at things differently now.

2:45:11>> This is a social Marxism thing. It's

2:45:13like and then it's also there's like a

2:45:15currency in being oppressed. There's a

2:45:17currency in recognizing oppression.

2:45:19There's a currency in signaling virtue

2:45:22that you recognize oppression that other

2:45:24people don't. you know,

2:45:27admitting your whatever whatever biases

2:45:31on the floor,

2:45:32>> whatever, you know,

2:45:34>> I'm so sorry. It might be

2:45:35>> whatever privilege you may have, you

2:45:37know, land acknowledgements, all that

2:45:39crazy stuff.

2:45:40>> It's like, you know, it

2:45:42>> we're trying to be good people, but

2:45:44we're doing it in a way that points at

2:45:46everybody else like they're bad. That's

2:45:48exactly.

2:45:48>> And that's where it gets real squirrely

2:45:50because people are using the the premise

2:45:52of being a good person to be really

2:45:54shitty to people that don't deserve it.

2:45:56>> No, I Yeah, I you know, and they don't

2:46:01do anything on their own. Like they're

2:46:03going to tell me that I should be doing

2:46:04X, Y, or Z, but like Kansas University

2:46:07recently like put out this big thing

2:46:08about how they feel so bad for living on

2:46:10indigenous land and

2:46:12>> you know, they give it back.

2:46:14>> Thank you. [ __ ] No, they ain't giving

2:46:15it back. You know what? They ain't even

2:46:17they even repatriated all the bones that

2:46:19they've got that they're supposed to

2:46:20have repatriated in 1990.

2:46:22>> I've only been to one place where I saw

2:46:24an actual land disclosure and it was at

2:46:26the South by Southwest premiere of the

2:46:28Age of Disclosure. And I thought this

2:46:30was so hilarious. There is a documentary

2:46:33about us being invaded by aliens. And

2:46:36before they play the documentary, they

2:46:39they have to acknowledge that someone

2:46:41invaded this land and took it from the

2:46:44natives. And this is the ancestral

2:46:46tribal land of the tong whatever tribes

2:46:49they they said we must acknowledge this

2:46:52first. Like wouldn't you play the movie?

2:46:55>> This isn't a history lesson. This isn't

2:46:56a struggle session. Play the [ __ ]

2:46:58movie. It's literally about us getting

2:46:59invaded by aliens.

2:47:01>> Yeah. And and and this is supposed to

2:47:03make it like

2:47:03>> better.

2:47:04>> You're a good person because you

2:47:06acknowledge this.

2:47:07>> A

2:47:09>> All right, I got to wrap this up. Um

2:47:10your thing uh is give out the dates.

2:47:13Tell everybody it's October 16th through

2:47:1518th at the Quest for Ancient

2:47:17Civilizations Conference at the ACL

2:47:19Live. It's right here in Austin.

2:47:20>> Should be a banger of a time.

2:47:22>> It's going to be amazing.

2:47:23>> I'm sure it's going to be awesome. All

2:47:25those people there. Randall Carlson.

2:47:26>> Yep.

2:47:27>> Billy Carson. Who else?

2:47:29>> Yeah. Whole bunch. Kurt Med.

2:47:30>> Kurt Mezer and Duncan Trussell together.

2:47:32That's Tunka Trussell on Test and doing

2:47:34deadlifts for 10 years. [laughter] Um

2:47:37David Childress. Great great cast of

2:47:40people. Awesome guys. David Childers is

2:47:42a really good dude, man.

2:47:42>> What did they do to you, man? They made

2:47:44you look

2:47:44>> Well, you know, it's it's the AI. It's

2:47:47>> You look like Alan Watts.

2:47:48>> I I look like somebody else entirely. I

2:47:50I almost Amish.

2:47:52>> You look very odd.

2:47:53>> Either way, thanks.

2:47:55>> You sound just like the chicks at the

2:47:56bar last night.

2:47:56>> It's a problem with the [ __ ] AI. You

2:47:58don't have to do that or do it do it and

2:48:00do it right.

2:48:01>> I my I say it to everybody. I actually

2:48:04had a production team or I wanted to

2:48:06like get me to sign up to do, you know,

2:48:08for them to help produce for me and

2:48:10stuff. And when I told them that I was

2:48:12not going to have any AI videos, no AI

2:48:14clipping, no AI thumbnails, and

2:48:16certainly no AI communicating with my

2:48:17followers, they're like, "We'll have to

2:48:18get back to you on the price." I'm like,

2:48:19"Yeah, I just took your tool belt,

2:48:21didn't I?" [laughter]

2:48:22>> They wanted to be easy.

2:48:24>> Yeah, I can buy anything, too. Anyway,

2:48:26thank you. Always good to see you,

2:48:27brother. You too, man. Hey everybody.

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