Kate Berlant says her father works in metal collage.

0:05Hello everyone and welcome to another

0:06episode of Good Hang. We are very

0:08excited about our guest today. It is

0:09Kaperland, comedian, writer, actress,

0:13and if you know Kate's work, you are

0:15obsessed with her. And if you don't know

0:16it that well yet, you are going to

0:18become obsessed because Kate is here and

0:20we are obsessed with her. And we're

0:22going to talk about so many good things

0:23today. We are going to talk about um

0:26well uh chimney sweeps. We're gonna talk

0:28about our obsession with our phone.

0:31We're gonna talk about how men actually

0:33feel about funny women. And we are going

0:35to talk about her new comedy special

0:36Parmesan, which is on HBO out right now

0:39and is so good and I cannot recommend it

0:42enough. Before we get talking to Kate,

0:44we always do something on our show where

0:45we talk to someone who knows our guest,

0:48has a question to give me about our

0:49guest. And we are going to talk to

0:51another fellow hilarious performer,

0:54writer, actor, John Early. You might

0:57know John from Search Party. You might

0:59know John from Maddie Secret and the

1:01many various hilarious videos and

1:03specials that him and Kate have done

1:05together. So, let's see if we can get

1:07John on the phone or the Zoom, however

1:11we're talking to you, John. HI.

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2:04>> John

2:05>> Amy. [laughter]

2:08>> Oh my god, it worked.

2:11[laughter]

2:12>> Can [gasps] you see me?

2:13>> You know what I never really noticed?

2:15And I'm noticing right now how blue

2:17those eyes are of yours. Shut up.

2:22[laughter]

2:23>> That's really sweet. Well, they are.

2:26>> You [laughter] are blue eyes.

2:29>> I'm kind of far back. Or you're kind of

2:30far back. Are you You're blue.

2:32>> I'm blue as well. Yeah.

2:33>> Okay. Well, [clears throat]

2:34>> and I just read somewhere that we should

2:37be wearing sunglasses all the time.

2:40>> No, you're kidding.

2:42>> My

2:43>> Because it's it's where we're more

2:44susceptible to like vision

2:46>> damage. Sun damage. I sund damaged eyes.

2:50>> Wow. I have 2020. No offense.

2:54>> Brag. No, I do not. You still have 2020.

2:58>> I still do somehow.

3:00>> That's incredible.

3:01>> Thank you.

3:02>> I do not. I've got reading. I've got

3:05glasses for reading and it's going

3:06downhill really fast.

3:08>> Kate has reading glasses. You guys could

3:10talk about that.

3:11>> John Early, it is really good to see

3:12you.

3:13>> It's so good to see you. I'm so

3:15starruck.

3:16>> You're nuts. I am

3:19>> John. Right back at you. You know, we

3:21were we were watching we were

3:22re-watching Vicki with a V and Maddie

3:25Secret before we get got on and we were

3:28we were saying like there's certain

3:30people when they um when they portray

3:35female characters that it feels like

3:37aggressive.

3:38>> Yeah. Yeah.

3:39>> Uh and you

3:40>> they're working through something.

3:41>> They're working through something.

3:42>> Well, and I clearly am too, but

3:44>> Well, we all are. It's maybe it's maybe

3:47more um coming from some sort of

3:51childlike longing and not necessarily an

3:53aggression.

3:54>> No, it feels very nice. It feels like it

3:57feels very like it just makes me feel

3:59nice and safe. It doesn't make me feel

4:00weird.

4:00>> Oh my god. Thank god. [laughter]

4:04>> For people that don't know, you and Kate

4:06have created so many works of art

4:09together. [laughter]

4:10>> Thank you.

4:11>> And you are like partners, but not

4:13partners. You do your own separate

4:15things always, but when you come

4:17together, there's like this special

4:18language. Like there's a comedy

4:20language, but it always consists of this

4:24very thrilling deep dive into something

4:28like it's always really deep and always

4:32funny.

4:32>> Thank God.

4:33>> When did you first meet Kate? Let's talk

4:36about that origin story. We first met

4:40when I was I guess we were both like 24.

4:45Um which was last year. [laughter]

4:49>> Um

4:50>> and uh we we met like okay we met

4:55basically doing our mutual friends

4:57comedy show.

4:58>> Mhm. And you know, I I just had never

5:01met someone around my age who uh who was

5:05as funny as like my idols, you know.

5:09>> Yes.

5:09>> It it was so crazy. I always figured,

5:12you know, the people around me were

5:14we're all going to be kind of

5:15collectively trying to get to that

5:18level. We'll spend our whole lives and

5:19we'll always and we'll always fail, you

5:21know, we'll always fall short. But I was

5:23like, she is just like right there.

5:25>> Mhm.

5:26>> She's already there. She's like already

5:28in a Christopher Guest movie, you know,

5:31in my mind.

5:32>> And that night when we were separating,

5:35we were just kind of like we [snorts]

5:36kind of like

5:38>> said our vows to each other and we were

5:40like we were like, "Let's have us like a

5:42sleepover tomorrow

5:43>> and we just like started our friendship

5:45the next day." We just like knew and and

5:47and I went over to her apartment and

5:49[laughter] we we just did not separate

5:53really until she moved to LA. We spent

5:55like almost every single day together,

5:58every night together. I would literally

6:00run out of clothes. I would run out of

6:02underwear and from spending the night at

6:05her apartment so much. And I would just

6:07go to CVS and get a pack of Hannes

6:10[laughter]

6:11>> and I'd wear the same shirt and pants

6:13every day and I would just run out of

6:16Hannes and go get a new pack.

6:17>> And Cuz you're like, there's no way I'm

6:19leaving this apartment.

6:20>> I'm not going back to my apartment. I

6:21refuse. And we and Amy, we slept in the

6:23same bed. M

6:25>> and we literally and the room was as big

6:28as the bed her like there was a foot of

6:30space on on uh the on one two sides of

6:34the for it was tucked into a corner you

6:36know and we would just we slept like

6:40angels like that was the first thing we

6:42noticed was like we were like what is

6:44this like otherworldly sense of comfort

6:46we have with each other that we can

6:48share a bed

6:50>> I'm sure you've been asked to explain

6:51this but the stuff that you guys did

6:53together. How would you explain that

6:55type of comedy

6:57>> if you were to have to explain the style

6:58of it? I can try, but I'd like to hear

7:01I'd like to hear what you say.

7:02>> Okay. Um Okay. Yeah, it it is really

7:07hard. [laughter]

7:08I mean, obviously, one thing that we

7:10love to do is like, you know, passive

7:14aggression.

7:15>> Yes.

7:16>> You know, we we love it so much.

7:19>> Why do you love it so much? Why do you

7:20Why does Kate love it so much? Why do

7:22you love it? I mean, I do too, but what

7:24do we love about it?

7:25>> Well, I think I think I love it cuz I

7:28come from like the South and [snorts]

7:31which is like a a really,

7:34you know, you could say the the

7:36birthplace of massive oppression.

7:38>> Um, like I come from kind of like

7:40Protestant world where like that is just

7:43in the water. It's just like you don't

7:46you don't express your anger so you ha

7:49it has to come out another way. I think

7:51for Kate, she's a she's been around a

7:55lot of authoritative

7:58>> um artistic people. [laughter]

8:01>> And I think maybe that's where it comes

8:03from is like people who speak with a

8:05kind of like I mean avantguard authority

8:09or whatever. It's like that there's a

8:10there's a way that that can be

8:12incredibly hostile.

8:13>> Mhm. you know, while even if you're

8:16speaking in this very measured academic

8:18way, you know, you're like and and so

8:20maybe that's where it comes from for

8:21her.

8:22>> Yes. There there's like a way in which

8:23you guys play around and in her new

8:25special she does in Parmesan her new

8:27special she does this where you play

8:29around with superiority.

8:31>> Yeah.

8:32>> Like that's what you you put that coat

8:34on and take it off. And of course the

8:36other side of that is inferiority

8:38always,

8:38>> right? It's like and I think that if we

8:40if we're playing people who and this is

8:43I think actually Kate's specialty is

8:45like this um this like the foolishness

8:49of like authority and um you know yeah

8:52pretentiousness

8:54I hope so

8:55>> the certainty part is so real because

8:58especially like in today's culture like

9:01we're surrounded by experts

9:03>> it's so intense and I and I really I I

9:06think it's time for Kate to kind of like

9:07seize her throne as like the great

9:09imitator of those things. She really can

9:12like what what's so crazy about working

9:15with her is like I mean it's like it's

9:17awful for me because it's like I'm like

9:19across from her. I'm like cool I have

9:20nothing. I'm like I'm just like how do

9:22you I'm always shocked.

9:24>> I'm very sorry but I disagree. I feel

9:27like I'm going to say right here John

9:29that your volley is it is like Agassy

9:33and Sris. [laughter]

9:36I believe they played together. I hope

9:38they did. But it is that the back and

9:41forth is

9:43>> it is Federer and Nadal. [laughter]

9:46>> Thank you.

9:48>> Excuse me. Well, you'll notice that I'm

9:49always I'm like always screaming.

9:53>> Yeah. Well, louder is funnier.

9:55>> Well, I think she's also, and I'm sure

9:57you'll get into it minute one, but you

9:59know, she's an only child. [laughter]

10:00>> Oh, yeah.

10:01>> And so there's like there is such a the

10:03only child has to like entertain

10:05themselves in the mirror, you know?

10:07>> Right. and and and she comes, you know,

10:09artist, father, like, you know, she was

10:12around these very at a very young age. I

10:15mean, she was like under the table, uh,

10:17you know, as like with all these like

10:19kind of very like genius LA modern

10:23artists, abstract artists, probably

10:25having incredibly pretentious,

10:28indecipherable, illeible conversations,

10:31you know, and so I [laughter] think she

10:32literally learned before she was like

10:35even conscious, she learned how to like

10:38imitate just like absorb those sounds

10:40and like to in order to participate cuz

10:43she was bored. Yes.

10:45>> Okay. Do you have a question for Kate

10:48today? Anything you think I should ask

10:50her?

10:50>> I have a few that you should pick from.

10:53>> Okay, great.

10:54>> Like some of them are just

10:56they're kind of inside jokes.

10:58>> Great. Perfect.

10:59>> But I actually think if you get into

11:01them, they will be deep.

11:03>> Fantastic.

11:04>> They'll be generative. Okay. So,

11:05[laughter]

11:06one is, "Do you miss Paris?"

11:09>> Fantastic. Do you miss Paris? Perfect

11:11question.

11:12One is uh do you think you're funny? Oh,

11:15>> incredible. In Kate's special, she goes

11:19deep on this idea that comedy isn't

11:21funny. And it's incredible

11:24cuz I agree.

11:25>> Yes, it's not funny. And also, this is

11:27like this is something that we we make

11:30ourselves laugh very very hard. We'll

11:32just like if if like suddenly a silence

11:35falls, like there's like a lull in the

11:36conversation, I'll be like, "Do you

11:38think you're funny?" [laughter]

11:40and like and and then we'll and we'll

11:42try to answer and she'll do it back to

11:43me like, "Do you think you're funny?"

11:44And then and then I'll be like, "Do you

11:45think I'm funny?" [laughter]

11:48>> And then we're like, "Um, can I be

11:49honest?"

11:53>> It's a favorite [laughter] It's a

11:54favorite inside joke. But I do think it

11:56like it's an inside joke, but she if you

11:58actually ask her, something good could

12:00come out. Great.

12:01>> Um,

12:02>> one is how are the kids? [laughter]

12:07>> Perfect questions.

12:09[laughter] Um, one is related to the

12:12special. So, are you gay or what?

12:14[laughter]

12:15>> Yep. We're going to get into it

12:17hopefully. Kate really talks about how

12:19she's gay. [laughter] That's I guess

12:22that's the way the fastest way to put

12:24it.

12:24>> Yeah.

12:25>> Yep. Okay. Great. Are you gay or what?

12:27>> Final one is shoes on or off?

12:29>> Shoes on or off.

12:31>> Like as a host.

12:32>> These questions are incredible.

12:34>> And did you get my email about Kate's no

12:36fly zones? No, I'm gonna look along.

12:40>> Okay, [laughter] got good to know. I'm

12:42gonna look at it right now.

12:43>> Good.

12:44>> Good. Thank you for that. Thank you.

12:46>> She doesn't have a manager and no one

12:47will represent her. So, I've taken it on

12:49as we're doing the special.

12:51>> Thank you for that. Yeah, that's

12:52important to see and thank you for

12:53bolding everything in all caps. I

12:55appreciate that. [laughter]

12:57>> Okay.

12:58>> Okay. Bye, John. Bye, y'all.

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14:35>> Get in frame. We cannot talk unless

14:37we're in frame. [laughter]

14:38>> Keep going. Who's that? Okay. You got to

14:40get in like this. Amy that fast now. Is

14:43there who?

14:44>> We got [laughter]

14:46We got to get you in frame. We cannot

14:48speak unless we're rolling.

14:49>> Yeah. Don't scroll past. [laughter]

14:50You look amazing.

14:52There were there were lipsticks in the

14:54green room. Yeah. And I thought I was

14:56like, "God, this is so classy." Like

14:57everyone who comes you get like you get

14:59this huge box of lipsticks and I'm going

15:01I'm looking at the colors and then I

15:02asked and they were like, "Oh, um, yeah,

15:04Jennifer Lawrence left those [laughter]

15:06few few months back."

15:07>> Yeah.

15:08>> And so you've had month you have had

15:09months of guests who look at that, they

15:11go, "I'm fine. I don't need to engage in

15:13that." I look at it. I already text it

15:15to my mother, my partner, [laughter]

15:16my best friend. I'm like, "We made it."

15:19And I'm taking it home. Actually, now

15:22you have to because you've touched all

15:23of them. [laughter]

15:23>> Exactly. Well, they were they were

15:24unused, so I go, "Well, this is

15:26definitely a gift. This is a promotional

15:27gift to me."

15:28>> It absolutely is a gift now. It is.

15:29You're taking all of those lipstick

15:31home.

15:31>> Anything free.

15:32>> Kate Bland is here. Kate, on the drive

15:34over here, I just want to give you

15:38I want to give you a compliment.

15:40>> I receive them. Well, I'm not one of

15:42these me. No. I'm like, please.

15:45>> Okay. [laughter]

15:46driving over here, I was filled with

15:48glee cuz I was like, "This conversation

15:50is going to be so fun, so funny, so

15:54deep.

15:55>> I love seeing you and never get to and

15:58like this is a chance to just actually

15:59hang out with you."

16:00>> Yeah.

16:00>> I loved your special. I watched it last

16:02night. It's so

16:04>> Thank you for watching it. Thank you.

16:06>> You're welcome. Because I don't always

16:08watch all of the things.

16:08>> Well, I figure I was doing dishes last

16:10night and I go, "By the way, she's not

16:12going to watch it." And that's fine. I

16:14know. She's so busy.

16:15>> Sometimes I like I can't get to it.

16:17>> You know I love you. Couldn't watch it.

16:20Girl, I would have been like of course

16:21you have so much to do. The media that

16:23you're [laughter] it's too much.

16:24>> I couldn't wait to watch it and all of

16:26us watched it. Love it.

16:28>> But more than that, you are this giant

16:31brain

16:33avantgard interesting artist who is also

16:36warm and nice.

16:38>> It's hard to find those two things.

16:40Sometimes people are like really nice

16:42but maybe not adventurous in their art.

16:44And sometimes people are like really

16:46prickly, sharp, interesting artists who

16:49maybe don't want to talk.

16:50>> Yeah.

16:51>> You to me are like the perfect

16:53combination of those two things. You

16:55talk about things that I am obsessed

16:57with. Everything in your special it is

16:59hitting me in such a deep way and I love

17:02your work and you. It's okay. Brilliant

17:03to see her.

17:05>> Okay. Bye.

17:05>> By the way, that was all on a prompter

17:06just for people at home. [laughter]

17:08It seems authentic. I saw her and I go

17:10and everything she said. Um, no. I love

17:14you so much. You're Thank you. That's

17:16like I I that's such kind words. It

17:18means so much to me. And I

17:21grew up with a picture of you on my

17:23wall. I mean, it's we get to that, you

17:25know, I told you this. I had the Upright

17:26Citizens Brigade Manifesto printed out

17:29on where the words where the text gets

17:31really really tiny at the bottom. Like

17:32I'm very like

17:34>> we we have had the pleasure of being in

17:36each other's simulations for a lot of

17:38our lives. We we have and like the

17:41topics that you talk about always speak

17:44to me, but this latest special is

17:48[laughter]

17:49>> Oh, I can't wait.

17:50>> Okay, I want to start there before we

17:52get into the bigger picture of your life

17:53because it is so top of mind and you

17:57talk about the things that I love.

17:58phones

18:00>> and our love of my my phone is my best

18:03friend.

18:03>> Yeah.

18:04>> Hair.

18:04>> Yeah. I talk about hair.

18:06>> Well, I talk about your hair in my mind

18:09when I watch it.

18:09>> Yeah. Totally. Thank you. Okay.

18:10>> You don't talk about hair, but I want to

18:12talk about your hair. It is

18:13>> I got a haircut 3 days ago. Can

18:15[laughter] you believe it? The woman

18:16that cuts my hair. She's amazing.

18:17>> You with a haircut. Guan Fairfax, go get

18:19her. She goes a few times. I go, she

18:22only cut like an inch. Just an inch. She

18:23goes, "I want extreme length for you."

18:25And those words, "I want extreme length

18:27for you. I want extreme length. And now

18:29people I my it's extreme length. I'm not

18:32going to go well I'm not going waist.

18:34>> I noticed that your hair was longer than

18:36usual and I was I was thrilled by it. I

18:39love extreme length for you.

18:41>> Okay. [laughter] Thank you.

18:42>> Um also you talk about the hell of being

18:45a woman and how you you know rather have

18:48it no other way. basically like the

18:50combo of like what we are what we are

18:53always negotiating with and that we

18:56wouldn't trade it for anything like

18:57that's what it feels like when I hear

18:59your work.

19:00>> Yeah. [snorts]

19:00>> And so for people um who are

19:02[clears throat] who are maybe getting to

19:04know Kate for the first time on this

19:05podcast, Kate is a comedian and actress

19:09and um artist and she has a new special

19:13uh on HBO called Parmesan. And I would I

19:15would if you don't mind if [laughter]

19:17>> YOU'RE LAUGHING THEN DON'T EVEN BOTHER

19:19tuning in.

19:22>> I mean, but why is it called Parmesan?

19:25>> Why is it called Parmesan? So, you know,

19:26you hear this thing people go, "Oh,

19:28here's a temp title. I'm not going to

19:29call it Parmesan. That would be insane."

19:31And it's one of those things that just I

19:34it was just it was making me laugh

19:36because it was just so ridiculous and

19:37stupid. I think like I was talking to

19:39Chelsea Pretty and she was like, "Oh,

19:40you're doing a a special. What's it

19:42called?" I said, "Parmant." I just

19:43laughed and I was like, "Okay." Cuz it

19:45it's just so deeply unserious and

19:47ridiculous and what could that possibly

19:49relate to? And by the way, the special

19:50isn't about food in any way, right? Even

19:52though you you love to talk about food

19:54and you love restaurants.

19:54>> I mentioned restaurants, but but uh but

19:57no, Parmesan, if when when you watch the

19:59special, you'll see it does reference a

20:01joke in the in the special. And and not

20:03to to to spoil the joke, but it's about

20:06this idea of what we comment on,

20:10what draws us to comment as people on

20:14social media and on our phones, like

20:15what we think is a way in which we're

20:17going to connect with what we're reading

20:20>> and the existential dilemma of that.

20:23>> Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about

20:26how addicted you are to your phone?

20:28Because I am too and I genuinely

20:30genuinely genuinely am.

20:32>> I relapsed so hard. So

20:34>> do you do you have work or program?

20:36>> By the way, I have gone to ITAA

20:39meetings. Internet technology addiction

20:41anonymous. I don't know if I'm supposed

20:42to say that. I don't know.

20:43>> I actually would.

20:45>> No, they're slow.

20:47>> Save a seat for me as they like to say.

20:48I've done I've done the Zooms twice, but

20:51but still I was still I shared but I

20:54like we do need help cuz we are in the

20:57fight for our lives.

20:58>> Yes.

20:58>> And it's the kind of thing that it's

21:00become it's like the weather. It's like

21:01this thing that we're just in and it

21:02kind of feels like

21:04>> why bring it up? Why talk about it? But

21:06I I can you know I've gone on on I was I

21:09had six weeks of sobriety. I did a six

21:12week cleanse. Nothing. I've done I've

21:14done a month a few times.

21:15>> Okay. Can you just step me through this?

21:17What do you mean by nothing?

21:18>> Okay, so [laughter]

21:21nothing. Me in a room. No. So what it is

21:23is by nothing I mean no social media

21:25whatsoever.

21:26>> Yeah. Sure. Sure.

21:26>> So I still have email and I'm still

21:28texting 24/7 and doing anything else.

21:31>> But no scrolling.

21:32>> No scrolling.

21:33>> And no Yeah. And not looking at

21:36Instagram reels and no social media. Not

21:39posting anything.

21:40>> None of that.

21:40>> Yes.

21:41>> And the sixth week was really good. And

21:44I said, I go, "I'm not going back this

21:46time."

21:47>> I like was telling everyone, I was like,

21:48"No, I'm out." Yeah. No, I'm out. I'm

21:50I'm out and I am right back. And like

21:53last night, I found myself I was like

21:55got home late

21:56>> and I was like, I've had a long day of

21:58working. You know what? I'm going to

21:59unwind. I'm going to curl up on the

22:01couch. And I and I'm and that's the

22:04moment when it becomes infused with this

22:06feeling of rest. Like this is rest. And

22:07it's not.

22:08>> It's actually chipping away in the

22:10digital labor minds. And so I [laughter]

22:13you know, and I'm like, "Yes." And so, I

22:15mean, I have it in the bath now.

22:17>> Of course I have.

22:18>> Of course, because I was doing bads, no

22:19phone, and I go, "Babs, no phone." And

22:21suddenly it's 1904 and I'm a novelist.

22:24And it's like, and by the way, when you

22:26go off your phone, I have found three

22:28weeks of no scrolling.

22:31>> Memories. I'm driving. Childhood

22:34memories. Like, it's unbelievable. I'm

22:36like, I'm back in the kitchen and I'm 10

22:37years old and my father comes like like

22:39it's like my brain is like, "Thank you."

22:41it's opening up and it's flooding me

22:43with images and and and it's like you

22:45just start to think again. You start to

22:47be more intimate with your life. And

22:49that's the thing that's the most

22:50devastating. We can talk about of course

22:51the the you know the this the horror

22:53machine of this and like the fascistic

22:55machine of it and all of that but then

22:57just on the base level like on a

22:59personal psychological level like you've

23:01lost all intimacy with yourself and like

23:03that's the that's the the the crisis of

23:06it. It's just so devastating. And once

23:08you get a little bit of that intimacy,

23:09you're like, "All right, no, this is

23:11actually this is really medicinal." I

23:13>> I mean, this is why I love talking to

23:14you. You can we can go deep end so fast.

23:17And then you also have jokes. [laughter]

23:21>> Okay. Me um another thing that chilled

23:24me to the bone and made me laugh out

23:26loud um while I was listening to the

23:29your special

23:30>> on my phone. [laughter]

23:31>> I watched it on my phone. I'm so sorry.

23:33is um the idea about how men say they

23:37want to be with funny women but they

23:39hate funny women

23:41is

23:42>> let's go there

23:43>> honey it is like it it's giving me a

23:46flush right now actually think about it

23:48it was so funny now the the idea the

23:51sentiment of like funny women being a

23:54threat isn't a necessarily a new one

23:57>> but the way in which you present this

23:59idea which is let me just for a minute

24:01trouble this what and and present what

24:04men actually want.

24:05>> Yeah. Yeah.

24:06>> What do you think in your way that is

24:10like can we talk about that for a

24:12second? How did you come up with just a

24:14lifetime of being funny?

24:15>> Well, I can actually tell you. So, I

24:17there's this like central memory which

24:20I've been like a ham and a goof since I

24:22was like a baby, right? But I remember

24:24so I went to an all girls school and I'm

24:26strong if my girls are going to single

24:28sex. Okay. You got [laughter] to

24:30separate the girls.

24:30>> Did you like single sex school? Did you

24:32like What do you think, sweetie? Yeah.

24:34>> Yeah. You

24:35>> free and then never free again.

24:36Graduated and was never free. Yeah.

24:38[laughter] No, I I like

24:41Thank God. And I started comedy. I did

24:43stand up for the first time when I was

24:4417 at my high school.

24:45>> I read this in the basement of your high

24:48school.

24:48>> Yeah. So, [laughter] but anyway, but so

24:51I was always, of course, you know, the

24:53class clown, all of that. And then I one

24:55day after school, I was 14, 15, maybe 15

24:59after school with a really cool and like

25:02a cool guy like after school there's

25:04like two cool guys in the room drum kit

25:06listening to Neil Young Harvest like

25:08what's this? Yeah, it's pretty cool.

25:09[laughter] Like doing that.

25:10>> Yeah.

25:11>> With my friend who was a gorgeous like

25:13Pack Sun model, you know, like truly.

25:15And she's over there and I'm here like

25:17like talking to the guys.

25:18>> Yeah.

25:18>> And this guy who was like the really

25:20popular cool guy, he was laughing and he

25:22was like, "God, you know, you're really

25:23funny." I was like, he was like, "You

25:24should be careful though. Guys don't

25:25like funny girls cuz it reminds them too

25:27much of other guys." [laughter]

25:31I remember I was leaning against the

25:32wall. I was sitting on the bed like

25:34this, leaning against the wall and it

25:36was like, "By the way, thank you for the

25:38truth." And the honest say that I was

25:39going to say that's an unbelievable

25:41gift.

25:41>> There it is.

25:42>> There it is.

25:43>> And

25:45>> he was not wrong.

25:46>> I heard it. It went in and I went,

25:49"Yeah, I'm going to carry this weight

25:51for the rest of my life." And it and it

25:53was like it's really so so yeah I've

25:56been kind of like teasing that out.

25:58[laughter]

25:58>> Yes. Well because also there's a the

26:02bigger thing also behind it is there's

26:04obviously like to be funny is to be a

26:07little embarrassing and men hate being

26:10embarrassed.

26:10>> Go like this. [laughter]

26:13>> Everyone's like why? It's like no it's

26:15cuz you're going

26:17it's like that's why they're [laughter]

26:19not kissing you. No but like totally It

26:21is. It's like, but it's

26:23>> it's manifold. And by the way, if you I

26:25want to just say this to clear the

26:26record. Of course, there are guys who

26:28like Of course I've dated them. You've

26:30dated. We've all of course they exist.

26:33[laughter]

26:34It's like this does ex exist. It is

26:38true. It's like if you're doing comedy,

26:40you're you know, it's a historically

26:41masculine role, you know, in society,

26:43[clears throat]

26:44whatever. It

26:45>> it just creates this like rupture. It's

26:47like a weird like gender performance

26:48thing that people are like. Like it just

26:51it's it's

26:51>> Yes. Rupture. Exactly. Right.

26:53>> A divine rupture. I might argue a divine

26:54rupture.

26:55>> A divine one that's needed in our

26:57culture. There's people who were voted

26:59class clown women and in my school the

27:01class clowns that were women were like

27:03bad bad girls.

27:04>> You know what's funny? So I was a good

27:07girl in the sense that I slept at the

27:08foot of my parents' bed, you know, my

27:10entire life. Emotionally I was at the

27:11foot. And so I was like a good girl.

27:15like loved school, loved my friends, was

27:17like, "Teacher, teacher," you know, like

27:19I, you know,

27:20>> um, but I did have a little bit of like

27:23the the mischievous like, okay, I so a

27:27bit of a prankster, benevolent pranks,

27:29never hurt anyone. But I'm recalling

27:31live, which is amazing cuz on the drive,

27:32here I go. What are the stories? What's

27:34my life? There's nothing. And then I'm

27:35going, it's coming up. IT'S HAPPENING.

27:36I'M HAVING MEMORIES. OKAY. SO, like

27:38something that I used to do was, you

27:40know, like the big drop down. This is

27:41this is I could be arrested for this

27:43actually. the big drop down maps like at

27:45school of the world and of America. So

27:48>> my little thing that I did is like I'm

27:50gonna steal those for my for my bedroom.

27:52So I so I would jump up, unscrew them

27:55and walk out. And if you're walking if

27:57you're 16 and you're walking with the

27:59the map of the world out of the class,

28:02they go, "Oh, she's supposed to do that.

28:04Obviously someone asked [laughter] her

28:05to move that to the basement or

28:07whatever." So I really got my rocks off

28:10doing that. And I do have a bit of a

28:12klepto. I've squashed it.

28:14>> I I also have a bit of a klepto.

28:17>> Well, I mean, women and and stealing and

28:19kleptomania is very interesting and very

28:21and because in a world where we feel

28:23like, you know, we've been stolen from

28:25what you said about makeup, how you feel

28:27that women should be able to steal

28:29>> safely and from big, you know, not mas,

28:31but from the big guys, take a little

28:32blush. Fine. [laughter]

28:34>> Yeah.

28:34>> Yeah. We deserve it.

28:35>> You're owed that blush

28:37>> cuz a blush is mandatory,

28:39>> right? And nobody's paying for it. the

28:41government is not paying for our blush.

28:42>> Tampons and blush has to be free.

28:44[laughter]

28:47>> Um, and then you also speak about um the

28:51difference between dating men and dating

28:53women because in the special you uh

28:55congratulations, [laughter]

28:57you are gay now. Congrats.

29:00>> Bye Amy. [laughter]

29:02Confused Amy.

29:05Okay. I say gay is a shorthand because a

29:08lot of people now, you know, bisexual,

29:10you know, bisexual fem walks and they

29:11go, "Oh, what? You kiss a girl in the

29:13eighth grade, right?" And I'm going,

29:14"No, I'm living that life." Actually,

29:16>> right. I mean, this is so funny cuz I

29:18talk about something special like

29:20>> I'm genuinely obsessed with sexuality,

29:23my sexuality. And it's like I also think

29:26there's this like I grew up with this

29:27narrative of like if you you know come

29:30out later in life, it's cuz you had this

29:32secret and you were like jerking off in

29:33private and you were like no, no, no.

29:35[laughter] You know what I mean? It's

29:35like that's not what my life was at all.

29:37>> Yes.

29:38>> Like I just was like always with men. I

29:40fell in love with a woman. This like

29:41other like room opened and I was like oh

29:43>> yes.

29:44>> And then of course and then I reflect

29:45back and I go oh my god. And so then I

29:47can be like wait so was it always I was

29:49like my obsession with my PED teacher

29:50and you know fourth grade I'm like

29:52what's that?

29:54>> She was gay. [laughter] Yeah they all

29:56were. No, but but like I go back and and

29:59so but I guess I'm less interested in

30:01like locking in to a certain category

30:04mostly because I think what's

30:05interesting is like failing and what's

30:08funny is like failing within those

30:09categories. Like I'm a failed straight

30:10woman for sure.

30:11>> Yes. [laughter]

30:12>> But I'm still like I love the mall and I

30:14love a beautiful, you know, like it's

30:16like like [laughter]

30:18so what? But then but but I but like I'm

30:22[laughter] also like a failed gay woman.

30:24>> Right. If I may, the thing you said

30:26which I have never heard articulated

30:28which and and that's why it was so

30:30incredible because you're you're

30:33>> because you've kind of lived in both

30:34worlds. It's hot, right? [laughter]

30:38>> Because you've lived in both worlds.

30:41the perspective of from kind of being

30:44like on the other side looking almost

30:46like back at what was like a way of

30:48living and the realization that you came

30:52to which is just again the comedic

30:54realization but like all of your stuff

30:56steeped in such truth is that

30:59heterosexual relationships between men

31:01and women kind of are often helpful to

31:05women who don't want to be seen. And it

31:08is

31:08>> there [laughter] it is. It is.

31:11>> That's what fascinated me cuz I was

31:13like, and by the way, I've had beautiful

31:15relationships with men, but it's like

31:18it's really fascinating to I did when I

31:21kind of started to like be in like gay

31:24relationships. I was like, oh, like

31:28are I I truly was like, okay, are all

31:31women are are women I believe that

31:33straight women exist, [laughter] but is

31:35that all

31:36>> people listening? Kate made a face like

31:38>> but and I and I was like but is that

31:40also just their way of being left alone

31:42in a way? And I was like, and there

31:44there's validity to that.

31:45>> And and like obviously I'm also speaking

31:47like everyone relax, okay? I know

31:49there's straight people that are in love

31:50and they're, you know, screaming,

31:52laughing, whatever, [laughter] but

31:54>> but there is there is this inherent um

31:56distance.

31:58>> There's always distance between people

31:59even in queer relationships, of course.

32:01But there is this like there's this deep

32:04distance between men and women. I am

32:07also I think it's hard when you're when

32:08you're comedian, when you're a class

32:10clown, when you're an actor, I can

32:12really love the performance of being of

32:14femininity and God bless. And I am

32:16attracted to masculinity. I love that

32:18performance. So, I think there's

32:19something there's something that is

32:21always strange when it's only when

32:22people don't know they're performing

32:24that it starts to get scary.

32:26>> That's exactly right. Like it was one of

32:27my questions I wanted to ask you, which

32:28is you're very good at this and we work

32:31with a lot of people that are good at

32:32this, which is we can mirror what people

32:35want us to be like or like we can just

32:37get in there and just be like I'm this

32:39person. And the question for you is like

32:42I think the the part of like growing up

32:44and figuring yourself out is knowing

32:46like that's actually expensive. Like it

32:48takes something.

32:49>> Oh yeah. [laughter] Oh, the way the the

32:52full performances I'm doing in case

32:54someone sees I was just talking about

32:55this on my podcast poo. But [laughter]

32:57like airplanes are really places where

32:59these performances and gender really

33:01comes comes pronounced. So like the

33:02other day I was getting onto a plane and

33:04I had a carry-on luggage to put overhead

33:07and there was a guy right opposite and

33:09and I kind of did this thing and he was

33:10like, "Oh, like do you want to help with

33:11that?" Whatever. I was like, "Yeah, do

33:13you mind? Sorry." You know, whatever.

33:14[laughter] And and then he lifted it up

33:16and then I said to him, I don't know why

33:17I go, I have a shoulder thing I'm trying

33:19to not aggravate. [laughter]

33:21>> And you made that up.

33:22>> Yeah. Completely fake. And then I found

33:24myself going, "Oh [ __ ] now I have to

33:26kind of like do this shoulder injury.

33:28[laughter]

33:29I had another bag, a lighter bag to lift

33:32up. And so I kind of lifted it up, but

33:34in kind of like a like I I tried to

33:35overcompensate, you know, and by the

33:37way, he very well is bur buried in a

33:39book. He's not even looking. But I'm

33:41locked into the performance lest he

33:43glance over." Yeah.

33:44>> And then when we landed 6 hours later, I

33:47go, "Time to get the show back on the

33:48road." And then I was doing kind of,

33:50[laughter] you know, kind of

33:52>> for who?

33:53>> For who?

33:54>> Who is watching? I know.

33:56>> But don't you kind of think they're

33:57watching?

33:58>> Well, [laughter] you know who's

34:00watching? I'm I'm watching. Like that's

34:02the thing is like

34:04>> the idea that like who we who are we

34:07like what self is the real self is a

34:10non-stop delightful journey for me. It's

34:13it's absolutely endless and it's like

34:15this is and this is where al also sex

34:18sorry I said it [laughter] someone had

34:19to

34:20>> first comes in is like like and that's

34:24why I think honestly class clowns and

34:25this is where it can get hard funny on

34:27funny two class clowns in bed it can get

34:29complicated [laughter]

34:31>> you're right like that actually sounds

34:32like oh god I don't know

34:35>> you kind of need someone to go snap the

34:36like no you need someone to be like [ __ ]

34:40like unselfconsciously

34:42like Like because I do I it's

34:45complicated.

34:45>> I'm obsessed with your relationship to

34:47your own body on stage because like to

34:49be looked at is already so intense and

34:53the way you use your body to like ground

34:55yourself in performance is so

34:58interesting for me to watch.

35:00>> You like like a dancer. I can feel the

35:03way that you when I don't know when it

35:07it feels like you regulate your thoughts

35:10or anxiety or emotions by the way you

35:13move.

35:14>> No, I'm laughing. I love it because I've

35:15never heard no one's ever seen me

35:16before. So, thank you [laughter] being

35:17seen for the first time live. But, um,

35:19no, but but it is actually, you're

35:21right. I've never no one's ever said

35:22that or put that no one's ever put this

35:24to me in these terms, but it is how I

35:26self-regulate. Like, there [laughter] is

35:28like even like

35:29>> it's it's like it's like that is

35:31>> Yes. No, no, you are correct. And like

35:33I, you know, love physical comedians.

35:36Like I that's always what gets me and

35:39like I've made crazy faces. I can't

35:40stop. Help. You know, but but that is

35:43how I get back inside my body, I think.

35:45>> Yeah. It made me think about my own

35:46stuff.

35:47>> Me during tech. It's like, oh god. No.

35:51But [laughter] yeah. Yeah. It made me

35:53think about like I I just did it now.

35:56Like my own laughing. Like I love to

35:58laugh and everyone's like I love to

36:00laugh and laughing is so good for us.

36:02>> And also laughing for me is expelling

36:05anxiety like it is a way to just like

36:09>> get shake out whatever is the feeling

36:11that I'm having. And anytime dancing is

36:13the same way for me. But it takes me so

36:15long to realize that that is why I'm

36:17doing something because I think

36:18especially if you're like in the comedy

36:20world or you're like a big thinker like

36:22you're you're just like our brain we

36:24just I use I'm like brain forward a lot

36:27and I have to remind myself I have a

36:29body.

36:29>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. This No, no, no, no.

36:33>> Okay. Um anesthesia culture you talk

36:36[laughter]

36:39>> Yeah. I talk about anesthesia culture.

36:41Look it up if you have to EDUCATE

36:42YOURSELF NOW. IT'S SO FUNNY you guys.

36:45[ __ ] I can't give away the joke, but

36:47please watch it. But why you talk about

36:51this idea that when we're under and we

36:54come to how cocky the people are that

36:58we're awake,

36:59>> it's [laughter] a we can talk about it.

37:00It's a throwaway moment and it's

37:01special, I guess you could say. But I

37:03talk about um kind of going not enjoying

37:07going under anesthesia because I don't

37:09like waking up

37:10>> and the idea that everyone in the room

37:12is like laughing at you that you've been

37:14asleep the whole time. Like it's like if

37:16you're a performer it's like you're you

37:18have to go under to go off

37:20>> like it's like cuz it's like I'm sure

37:22you're like me where it's like oh I can

37:24turn off. Of course, like comedians want

37:26to get serious like we're like,

37:28>> but the only time you're free, by the

37:30way, I'm hamming it up as I was going

37:32under. I remember this. The guy was as

37:34my anesthes I'm LIKE I'M LIKE, "GOD, you

37:36look like Griffin Dunn." The first one

37:38was [laughter] like like

37:41I was going so hard also cuz if I'm

37:45nervous and if I'm in a medical

37:46situation, so I have a lot of medical

37:48anxiety. This is going to be this is

37:49going to be the next special cuz I just

37:51got like a completely unnecessary

37:52angiogram. Oh, I actually I mean we

37:55could talk about this forever cuz you

37:57>> I'm obsessed with this idea that we are

37:59now giving ourselves too much

38:01information that's making us very

38:02stressed.

38:03>> Oh, of course.

38:04>> Yes. And so you [laughter]

38:06you had an angio.

38:07>> I went a little hard on my neck with au

38:09Instagram. Yeah. Instagram advertised to

38:12me this neck massager. I go bought it.

38:14Yes.

38:14>> And then I was going really really hard

38:15and I go, "Oh, it's a little too a

38:17little too hard there." And then I start

38:19looking up and they go, "Oh, well the

38:20you know the veins, the arteries

38:21[laughter] here, you want to be really

38:22careful." probably go the arteries in

38:23the neck. Oh god. And then I texted

38:26Yeah. texted my doctor. Um and

38:28>> [laughter]

38:29>> um she really regrets the day she gave

38:31me that and

38:32>> and she was like, "I'm sure you're fine.

38:33Whatever, but I'm so um I have that kind

38:36of like sensation anxiety and stuff that

38:38I was like, "Oh, I think something." So

38:40then I I call Seed to talk to the doctor

38:42and they're like, "We could order you a

38:44CT scan. I mean, if you want to get an

38:45angio, I mean, what's they go in? They

38:47inject you with, you know, your veins

38:48with

38:50>> um dye and the whole thing." And I go,

38:51"Well, that's insane." So, I'm putting

38:53it off, putting it off, and then I go,

38:54"I could do it next week." So, then I'm

38:56being wheeled into the room

38:59[laughter]

39:00>> and everyone, you know, they're taking

39:01they do the tests, everything, and

39:02everyone's kind of looking at me cuz I'm

39:04by far the youngest people in this. So,

39:06I think people are kind of going, "Poor

39:08woman. Like, what's going on with her?"

39:10And so, I START GOING, "IT'S PROBABLY

39:12NOTHING." YOU KNOW, HIU. YEAH. WENT a

39:14little hard with the hiu, let's say.

39:15>> Yeah. It's too much.

39:24Let's go to Kada as a child. [laughter]

39:28>> Okay.

39:29>> I skipped the whole kid thing.

39:31>> Yeah.

39:32>> Yeah. You were born as an adult.

39:34>> 30.

39:35>> Um, were you as a little little Kate in

39:38LA in Los Angeles,

39:41>> artist parents?

39:43>> That was really hard. Yeah. [laughter]

39:46>> The rough side of Santa Monica. I was

39:48going to say you were in Santa Monica.

39:49>> Yeah.

39:50>> Um

39:51>> not in the industry. They're not in the

39:52industry. Let's just get that.

39:53>> What kind of artist are they?

39:54>> Um so my dad works in metal collage.

39:58>> It was funny. I was This was huge for me

40:00a few years ago. There was like a New

40:01York magazine piece about Nepo babies

40:03and they and my face was in it next to

40:06like like shame. I was like I'm famous.

40:08I'm like what is this? And it was like

40:10daughter of a sculptor, you know? I was

40:12like trust me doll hasn't gotten me

40:14work. You know what I mean? And then

40:15like my mom did prop design and she did

40:18make the Stonehenge prop in Smile Tap

40:21famously.

40:22>> So wow.

40:23>> And that was also there cited as

40:24nepotism. And I go

40:26>> a little bit of a stretch.

40:27>> It's a little bit of a stretch. But my

40:29mom

40:30>> um my mom was a stay-at-home mom if we

40:32can even say that now, right? They're

40:34taking that away.

40:35>> So um but [laughter]

40:38you know a deeply creative person.

40:40>> Did you grow up with her? Did you grow

40:42up with artists around the house

40:44chatting about art?

40:45>> Yes, that's all. I'm I'm an only child.

40:48My parents' friends did not have kids,

40:49so it really was like me at the at the

40:52dining at the dining room table with the

40:54adults being like, I have something to

40:55say, too. And I think that was, you

40:57know, intensely informative.

40:58>> And did you feel like I mean, I'm sure

41:00you've spoken about it a lot. You might

41:02have talked about it in your in your

41:03specials, but what is the only child

41:07dilemma? What is like the best and

41:10[laughter]

41:11>> or is there one? Is there one? Like

41:13what's the good and bad thing about

41:15being an only child?

41:16>> I don't know. I mean I having siblings.

41:18I don't know. I don't really like

41:20sharing my mommy. I don't think so. Amy,

41:23[laughter]

41:24number one, please. Yeah. So, sharing my

41:27mommy would have been hard, but I think,

41:29[laughter]

41:30you know, as you age, you go, "Oh, it

41:32would be helpful." But then also, you

41:33you never know what you're going to get.

41:35I mean, people have siblings and it's

41:36like they're helpful when when shit's

41:38falling apart. So, so I don't know.

41:40>> Well, your sibling relationship is often

41:42the longest relationship in your life,

41:44which I and I was like, whoa. I read

41:46that and I was like, wow. Cuz that is

41:48they, you know, like

41:49>> and don't complicate it with sex.

41:51>> Okay. [laughter]

41:51>> Never.

41:52>> Cuz that's the thing that really don't

41:54[ __ ] where you eat, guys.

41:55>> Exactly, guys. If you could take away

41:57one thing from [laughter] Kate.

41:58>> Yeah.

41:59>> Um, so you're like this like precocious

42:03kid in a way. Were you did you feel

42:04older than you were when you were a kid?

42:06>> But I think um watching I think so much

42:08of what I like through mimicry like I

42:11remember like when I saw Aaron

42:12Brochovich I started doing my homework

42:14in heels you know like [laughter]

42:20like like for real and I was like

42:24[laughter]

42:25yeah I'm into this.

42:26>> Yes. And so I think that like [laughter]

42:28watching movies, watching people like be

42:32smart or sound smart is kind of like,

42:35>> yeah, I'm going to kind of just like

42:36take that.

42:37>> Okay. And then you did um some crazy

42:39early jobs. And is it true that you were

42:41a voice actor in Texas for a call-in

42:43radio [laughter] show?

42:44>> Oh my god. Is that true? So I don't know

42:47where I got hooked up with this, but it

42:48was a thing where

42:50>> you would do like so for call-in radio

42:52shows where they're like morning radio

42:53where they're like Yeah. So, we got

42:55here, guy and a girl went on a first

42:56date. Uh, the girl uh let's just say she

42:59doesn't have a face or whatever, you

43:01know? So, it's like these like these and

43:02then but they're being presented as

43:04real. So, I would play and they go like,

43:07"We got we Okay, so we we have her on

43:09the line. She has no idea that we're

43:10that we're listening in. So, we're just

43:12going to call." So, I would pretend to

43:13be the person who's like, "Hello." You

43:15know, and and I did I think like one and

43:18Yeah, it was like

43:20>> and then the like the casting was like

43:22she was like, "You're good at this."

43:23Yeah.

43:24>> She's like, "You're good at this." Cuz

43:25there's one where I had to pretend to be

43:27crying. It's devastating. It was like

43:28they're humilating this woman on air and

43:30I have to be like, "Wait, [laughter]

43:31what? I'm on the radio." No. Like really

43:34sad. I mean, that was a send up. Okay. I

43:36was doing it rose grounded. I was Laura

43:37Lenny with the Yeah.

43:39>> But of course.

43:41>> Um, but yeah, I did that a few times and

43:43I think I'd get p I mean I think I you

43:45know I would get paid like 75 bucks or

43:47something. I don't know. But it was I'd

43:49have to wake up like 4:00 a.m. cuz it

43:50[laughter] was the time to call you. So

43:52they call me and I like wake up at dead

43:53sleep and be like oh my god no whatever.

43:56[laughter]

43:57>> Yeah and then I slept through one.

44:00>> Oh you missed your call. They were like

44:02they were like we need you Dallas radio

44:047 a.m. Who knows where I was. I I woke

44:06up. I saw the missed calls. Fired. Never

44:10again. I get it.

44:11>> Yeah they depend on you because of the

44:13radio. Yeah.

44:14>> Yeah. And they had to then on their side

44:16they had to improvise like oh we can't

44:17get a hold of her. They must have been

44:18curious.

44:19>> Yeah. Exactly. [laughter] Exactly. I

44:21mean there is hell hath no fury like a

44:23radio DJ.

44:24>> They have to the segment suffers and

44:25they can never bring you back.

44:27>> And you know we cannot talk about like

44:29your early early career like starting

44:32out without talking about John Early.

44:35>> Speaking of early because John Early and

44:37you let's talk about John for a second

44:41>> because the way you guys interact

44:44together scratches a comedic itch for so

44:47many people. Why do you think that is?

44:50What is it that

44:51>> amazing sex?

44:52>> Yeah. [laughter]

44:53>> Yes.

44:54>> When you can connect on that sematic

44:56level with someone, [laughter]

44:59>> it can't help but reflect in the work.

45:01>> Yeah. Um John, you know, it's like it is

45:05like, you know, one of the great loves

45:07of my life, John Early. Like we did we

45:10are we like met in this very like

45:12whirlwind like romantic way where it was

45:14like we met and then in a very lesbian

45:16fashion like we're inseparable and he

45:18slept on my bed for like 3 years,

45:19[laughter]

45:19>> right?

45:20>> And I was like, why can't I get a man?

45:23>> I was like, SEE, IT'S HARD. IT'S

45:25DIFFERENT FOR ME. [laughter] YEAH.

45:26>> YEAH.

45:27>> And John, we met Yeah. We met on set of

45:31a friend's short film and uh we had like

45:34he had messaged me on Facebook or

45:36something and I was like who's this and

45:38then I watched a video of his and I was

45:39like oh he's really funny.

45:40>> We were trying to break it down today

45:41because we're such fans of your work

45:44alone of course and with John. And with

45:47John, I'm not like the biggest I get a

45:49little stressed when people come at each

45:51other pretty hard. Like

45:53>> in comedy, like I'm I I I'm not a big

45:55roast fan. Like,

45:57>> but the way you two [laughter]

46:00gently knife each other in the stuff

46:02that you do is like

46:04>> fascinating to watch. I think it's funny

46:06for us because like we don't similarly I

46:09don't want to be roasted or ever roast

46:11anyone and like [laughter]

46:13John is you know like from the south and

46:15like John's the last like so I think

46:17>> our like that's a place for us to like

46:20go there.

46:20>> Yes.

46:21>> And but very much behind this like

46:23character mask of course. Mhm.

46:25>> Um but

46:27>> yeah, I I don't know why it's funny

46:29because we are like there have been

46:32times or over the years we've been like

46:34but we're not mean like like people are

46:36like you guys are vicious like and it's

46:38like no it's not like that's not what it

46:39is.

46:40>> No, it's not.

46:41>> I I mean I don't I don't know exactly.

46:43>> And it feels like there's like some

46:45border around it that's surface level

46:48which is always so funny when people are

46:50not acting the way they're feeling.

46:52That's just like inherently funny. Well,

46:53I think that's exactly what it is. And

46:55like we just like the failed performance

46:57to say it again. Like when people think

46:58that they're covering and they're not.

47:00And when people are using the social

47:02nicities to cover [laughter]

47:04>> like and like that is just heaven.

47:07>> It's heaven. Me too. It's like when

47:09someone is angry

47:10>> and they are like trying to conduct a

47:12meeting or something is heaven. How are

47:14you with conflict? What's your conflict

47:16style?

47:17>> What do you mean? [laughter]

47:19>> Sorry, I said the word again. Conflict.

47:20Sorry, I missed it. Um,

47:22>> like when something like that happens,

47:23do you get filled? I get filled with a

47:25little bit of excitement.

47:27>> Adrenaline. Oh, you mean like w like to

47:29Well,

47:29>> conflict is get

47:30>> watching people fight through the My

47:32favorite thing in the world is screaming

47:33fight on the street safely watching from

47:35the window. [laughter]

47:36That and my heart's beating through my

47:38chest. Yeah.

47:39>> Yeah. Totally. Do you are do you have a

47:41like direct conflict style? Do you have

47:43do you feel like what when you're angry

47:45about something, what does it look like?

47:46Um, it's a it's a really interesting

47:49question that my therapist should be

47:50asking me and [laughter] she's not. So,

47:52there's an issue there that we'll

47:53explore later. You should yell at her.

47:55You should yell at her.

47:57>> Maybe I withdraw.

47:58>> I'm I'm wondering.

47:59>> I'm probably going to go with withdraw.

48:01>> Yeah. [laughter]

48:04>> Gun to my head. Withdraw.

48:05>> Withdraw. Um, no. I think um I've talked

48:09about it a lot, so I won't get into it,

48:10but like I had a really upsetting

48:11incident with a chimney sweep a couple

48:13years ago. [laughter]

48:16I'll just say quickly quickly. He came

48:17into my home,

48:19>> came into my home doing a chimney sweep.

48:22I go I go, "Oh, he has like no drop

48:23cloths." I go, "Okay, so now I'm getting

48:25into the forensic details, but I was

48:26like, "White couch, white thing. I just

48:28moved in." I go, "Oh, do you have like"

48:30And this is this is funny. Do you have

48:31like drop cloths or anything? He goes

48:33and he kind of like laughs. He's like,

48:34"I'm fine." And I go, "Okay." He's a

48:36chimney seat. Well, I'm going to come

48:38here. [laughter] He knows how to do his

48:39job.

48:39>> God forbid.

48:40>> So I go, "Okay, I'm going to let you." I

48:42go into I come back.

48:44Amy.

48:45>> Oh no.

48:45>> Soot on the white couch. [gasps] Soot on

48:47the curtain set in the hallway. I go

48:50like this. There's s and I'm like

48:55>> there's soot in the home. And he kind of

48:57do this thing like I mean

48:59>> gaslight city.

49:00>> By the way, and and here's where I

49:01here's I I paid so not full cuz I'm in

49:04there in the kitchen with the thing and

49:06then I go I can't pay full price. Get

49:07the boss on the phone. This whole thing

49:09he goes maybe your house was dirty.

49:11>> Yeah.

49:12>> Sweet. Say it again. It was dirty.

49:14>> Yeah. And so,

49:15>> and you're basically being held hostage,

49:17too. Like, you have to pay because you

49:19want him out of your house.

49:19>> Yeah. I want the chimney sweep gone.

49:21[laughter]

49:21And I'm so excited cuz I had an amazing

49:23chimney sweep earlier years before and I

49:25couldn't find his number. And he had

49:27drop claws and he had respect.

49:29>> Yes.

49:29>> And so, but I I'll just say that night

49:31went to bed literally permanent TMJ like

49:34one night of clenching from the chimney

49:36sweep and that years later. So, I should

49:38be going to court and [laughter] the and

49:40the tension on this jaw brought the face

49:42down. Okay. Okay. So, the tension on

49:43this side. So, so I'm losing work, okay,

49:45from that. So, the sh So, one night.

49:47[laughter] So, that wasn't that was an

49:49experience where I could have gone

49:50harder in the moment. I didn't cuz I was

49:52just like kind of panicked and sad. But,

49:54>> okay, but let's break down. You also

49:56didn't go harder in the moment because

49:57you've got somebody in your house.

49:59>> Yeah, totally.

49:59>> It's not a safe situation.

50:01>> It's a man in your house for real.

50:03>> And also,

50:03>> that's when I wanted a husband. I go,

50:05Eric. [laughter]

50:06>> You know, like that's when you that's

50:07when you want that

50:08>> you want to call for Eric.

50:10Eric comes down from his study and he's

50:13like, "Hey, man."

50:14>> Yeah. No. Exactly. And then I go and I

50:15go, "Yeah." And I walk away.

50:16>> You walk away.

50:17>> They get to have it out.

50:18>> And you can hear Eric yelling a little

50:20bit

50:21>> and you get like a little

50:22>> Eric's getting a BJ tonight. [laughter]

50:23>> Yeah.

50:24>> Exactly.

50:25>> So, that dynamic is fun and I get that.

50:27>> Yeah.

50:27>> Yeah.

50:28>> Um, okay. So, John Early, we spoke to

50:31him before this podcast because we

50:33always speak to somebody who knows our

50:34guests and John gave us some amazing um

50:37questions for you.

50:38>> Oh my god. Okay. Okay, so here we go.

50:42John wants to know a couple things.

50:43>> Okay.

50:44>> Do you miss Paris? [laughter]

50:47Yes.

50:50Okay. John wants to know, do you think

50:52you're funny? [laughter]

50:55Yes. Okay. Um John wants to know, "How

50:58are the kids?" [laughter]

51:01[sighs and gasps]

51:02>> Amazing.

51:04>> Congrats.

51:05>> It's just, you know, Yeah.

51:07>> Yeah. [laughter]

51:08>> Yeah. They're at a a really fun age.

51:12>> Yeah. Cool. What age is that? [laughter]

51:15>> Just right around that area where you

51:17go.

51:18>> They're become They're They're them, but

51:19they're you. And it's

51:20>> But you do know how old they are. Yeah.

51:22>> Sure. Yeah.

51:23>> Yeah. Okay. Good.

51:23>> Fourish.

51:24>> Forish. Yeah. [laughter]

51:26>> Um John wants to know, "So, are you gay

51:28or what?"

51:30>> John will do that to me. It's so funny.

51:32Like [laughter] he'll text me out and

51:34go, "Are you gay? Bye." What is it?

51:38[laughter] So true.

51:38>> Or my favorite thing like I'll be doing

51:40a show and John will be like just

51:42remember [laughter]

51:44the show is broken because you are

51:46broken.

51:49It's really funny

51:50>> to me. The love language of comedy

51:54people is my favorite thing in the

51:56world.

51:56>> He will leave a voicemail for me and

51:58he'll be like it's just so like like the

52:00yesterday so embarrassing. She's

52:02promoting her special and she's

52:04[laughter] doing these press appearances

52:06and it's just like, oh my god.

52:08Meanwhile, you know, HBO, they're not

52:10going to release it. [laughter] I've

52:11already been on the phone with them.

52:12They're holding it back. And there she

52:14is trotting out in her little outfits

52:15and they'll be like, oh my god, [ __ ]

52:17[ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] hang. [laughter]

52:19Oh, it kills.

52:20>> He pretends he's

52:21>> he pretends that he's calling someone

52:22else or he pretends he's accidentally

52:26leaving it on my machine.

52:27>> Oh my god, it's really funny. That to me

52:30feel makes me feel so safe and love.

52:32>> Yeah. Yeah. It's really sweet.

52:34>> And then shoes on or off?

52:36>> Off.

52:37>> Always.

52:38>> In the home off.

52:39>> So when someone comes to your home, do

52:42you say, "Please take your shoes off?"

52:44>> So I have a I have a small home to quote

52:47the handyman who came to the house when

52:50I first moved in. And this is a direct

52:52quote. Never have I seen a house so

52:54small. And that was the exact delivery.

52:56That was the exact language used.

52:58>> [laughter]

52:59>> I go, I mean, it's not that small. I

53:01mean, I don't have Eric. I don't have a

53:03rich husband. You know, I go, I thought,

53:04you know, um and then I'll just say a

53:07couple days later, he returned and he

53:08goes, do you have many more things to

53:10move into this very small home?

53:11[laughter]

53:12>> And by the way, the living room, there's

53:13no couch, there was nothing. I go, well,

53:14yeah, I have to bring in the furniture.

53:16[laughter] And he go and I go, but

53:17there's not that much. And he goes,

53:18that's good because it's so small.

53:21So, because the house is small, I don't

53:23I don't have a grand foyer, you know,

53:25there's no room for a shoe rack. So, we

53:26have kind of have like a horrifying

53:28pile, a little pile by the front door.

53:29So, it depends depending on I'll kind of

53:33be like take them off if I just, you

53:35know.

53:36>> Do you put on a house slipper?

53:37>> Oh, yeah. I have I have multiple house

53:39slippers.

53:39>> This is what I Thank you. Mhm.

53:41>> Another reason why I love you, Kate, is

53:44because I know you love things and you

53:46really

53:47>> and I would say that one of the things

53:49that's so amazing about you and

53:51Jacqueline and Poo, which is an

53:52incredible podcast and congrats on that,

53:55the success of that because it's so

53:57funny and good. And you guys, for people

53:59that don't know, Pooh like deep dives

54:02into products in a way much like how

54:05we're talking today where Kate and

54:07Jacqueline Novak, a super talented

54:10writer, performer. They like talk about

54:13a red light mask and then somehow get to

54:16Dante's Inferno very fast.

54:18>> It's very high meets low and it's very,

54:20you know, we started Poo in COVID. Yes.

54:23>> And really kind of started as a way poo

54:25goop backwards. Get it? Okay. So, and

54:28kind of as like a wellness, beauty

54:30podcast, but really also just a way that

54:32we could get free stuff, which has been

54:34incredible. [laughter] And so, we were

54:35like, people will send us these products

54:37and then, you know, Yeah.

54:38>> So, but but and also kind of this idea

54:41of like searching for the right product

54:44and that the and there's this

54:45misconception that you want to find the

54:47right product. You actually don't. You

54:48want to engage in the in the search

54:50forever. The search is kind of, you

54:51know, the ego loves to search and never

54:53to find. And we'll just let that sit.

54:55Yeah.

54:55>> 3 2 1. And so that constant manic

55:01there is this product out there, this

55:03person out there, this thing out there,

55:04and then you're going to arrive and

55:06you're going to be whole and you're

55:06going to be healed, you're going to be

55:07beautiful. It's like we we on some level

55:09we know that's not coming, but it's

55:10really fun to go

55:12>> and try the serum to go I think it's

55:13doing something. And to have fun, a new

55:14lipstick, a new like there's pleasure in

55:16that.

55:17>> Yes. And so on Pug, you guys talk about

55:19things and I love listening to it

55:22because like you, I am in the pursuit

55:24for like the platonic best thing for the

55:27thing like as if my life is going to get

55:29smaller and simpler if I just get the

55:31right thing. But I do want to know what

55:34shoe you bought for your house shoe.

55:36>> So this is kind of cheating because it

55:39is it was a gift.

55:40>> Okay,

55:41>> but I'm going to go with a classic UGG.

55:44Sorry, UGG. There's so many different

55:46kinds of slippers. And I by actually I

55:48paid out of pocket. I purchased the

55:51ultra mini um boot that's like under the

55:54ankle almost.

55:55>> Okay. Yes.

55:56>> Um this uh kind of

55:58>> Does it have a fur lining? Like is it

55:59okay?

56:00>> So by the way, even today 140° getting

56:03into the boot first thing.

56:04>> You are you have to keep your feet warm.

56:06>> How do you feel about air conditioning?

56:08Like are you an AC person? Do you keep

56:10it cool?

56:10>> Blast it down.

56:12>> Me too.

56:12>> Yeah. I mean, I really last night I was

56:15cuz I sleep naked, guys. This isn't

56:18about that. I'm here to talk about my

56:20work, but [laughter] and I want an eight

56:23sleep. And hi, I'm here on this podcast.

56:26Hey, eight sleep or Yeah, now's the

56:28time. Send them now.

56:32[laughter]

56:33If that if this doesn't get me AN EIGHT

56:35SLEEP, IF THIS THIS DOESN'T GET ME AN

56:37EIGHT SLEEP, please get Kate a sleep.

56:40[laughter] And so I'm going to end our

56:42talk today.

56:43>> No, no, no,

56:44>> I know. I know. But I You have a lot of

56:47incredible takes on things.

56:49>> Oh.

56:50>> So I want to get your thoughts on

56:51things. They don't have to be funny.

56:52They can be whatever they you can it can

56:54be whatever you want.

56:55>> The moon fake.

56:58[clears throat and laughter]

56:59>> Like again.

57:02>> Yeah. Every night. [laughter]

57:05>> Every night.

57:06>> I just want to see

57:07>> Yeah.

57:07>> something different from it.

57:10I mean, it does change [laughter] every

57:11night. I mean, it gets

57:12>> But in the same way, you know what I

57:14mean? When people People change in the

57:15same way. You go, "Now you're doing this

57:16thing. Now you're doing that thing.

57:17You're concealing this part. You're

57:18concealing that part." Yeah.

57:19>> Oh, no. I'm right here in the open. No,

57:21you're not cuz you're going to be gone

57:22tomorrow.

57:22>> Psychics.

57:23>> I believe there are gifted psychics.

57:25Like I People are tapped in.

57:27>> Do you believe you have any psychic

57:28abilities?

57:29>> YEAH. [laughter]

57:34>> YEAH. You do for real?

57:36>> Yes. Have you ever predicted anything?

57:38Yes. [laughter]

57:40>> What?

57:42>> Can't get into it.

57:43>> Okay.

57:43>> No, I I think we all, you know, psychop

57:45we all we all

57:46>> I don't feel like I have psychic

57:47abilities.

57:48>> I have stuff.

57:49>> I can read people and I can I feel like

57:52I'm pretty good at noticing energies,

57:53but I don't feel like I have a psychic

57:56ability to figure out that out. But

57:58>> I've had some some interesting

58:01instances. But again, I'm on my phone

58:03all day, so I'm blocking all of that

58:04out.

58:04>> Yeah. Okay. Um, what about ghosts? Have

58:07you seen any ever?

58:10>> Yes.

58:10>> Yes.

58:11>> So, so you've talked to ghost. So,

58:13people you look at me, long hair, you

58:16know, oh, who's this, you know, witchy

58:18psychic ghost people? I'm actually

58:21typically not I I don't I don't like

58:23karaoke, for example. People think

58:24things about me. Okay. [laughter] So, um

58:28and I, um I was told not to talk about

58:32it because then they they they take it

58:34as a way to kind of come in. I I swear

58:36to God the last couple years. Let me

58:38see.

58:39>> You've been seeing some ghosts. You have

58:40to talk to my friend Rachel Dash because

58:42she does she is really into woo woo and

58:44she kind of collects woo woo stories.

58:46>> I've had some I've had some like um I've

58:49always been scared of ghosts and then

58:51the last couple years I've seen a few

58:54and actually some situations I would

58:57think would really scare me. No fear

58:59whatsoever. Completely fine. I've had

59:01two upsetting experiences that really

59:03freaked me out.

59:04>> Okay. So, I kind of went to someone and

59:06went like, "Let's close the door."

59:08>> Um,

59:08>> God, I wish I could see a ghost. I have

59:10not seen a ghost and I I just They just

59:12do not [ __ ] with me. Ghosts. I

59:15>> You don't want it. I don't think I don't

59:16know. I don't know. Some, you know, some

59:18people I would like to come through and

59:20I'm interested in that. But, um, maybe

59:21not.

59:22>> But,

59:22>> okay.

59:23>> Once you've had a couple bad ones, you

59:24go,

59:26>> "Yeah,

59:26>> let's just say I've got some special

59:28figurines on on my nightstand lately."

59:30[laughter]

59:30>> Some crystals.

59:31>> I was given some figurines.

59:33>> Okay. cuz I go,

59:35>> I don't want to see that one anymore.

59:37>> Yeah.

59:37>> And they were like, for $29.99, I can

59:39give you this.

59:39>> I know. Truly, the amount of people

59:41friends I've had that have been like,

59:42and she said that for $500, she could

59:44lift the curse. I'm like, oh, no. I

59:46mean, people that really

59:46>> because let's let's lift the curse for

59:48free. How about we try that?

59:49>> All curses can and should be lifted for

59:51free. [laughter]

59:52>> Yeah, like makeup and tampons. Um, Los

59:55Angeles.

59:56>> I'm from LA. I lived in New York for 10

59:57years. I'm there all the time. But I

59:59think the um, you know, people love to

1:00:00talk [ __ ] on LA. And even this conver

1:00:02you even this feels cliche when I'm when

1:00:04I'm dropping into right of kind of like

1:00:05people like I talk but I um I love Los

1:00:09Angeles you know she can be a cruel

1:00:10mistress but to me it's it's Hollywood

1:00:13it's dreams it's it's it's images it's

1:00:15lizards it's cactus it's a it's a palm

1:00:18tree half on fire you know it's it's all

1:00:20of Yeah.

1:00:21>> Yeah.

1:00:21>> There's something brutally solitary

1:00:23about Los Angeles. I love New York so

1:00:25much. So many times I go back to New

1:00:27York and I'm like I've ruined my life by

1:00:29not living here. I'd be a better artist.

1:00:31to be more connected to to people, to

1:00:33strangers. Like I I I really long for

1:00:36strangers and for those like

1:00:37interactions that really feeds me on a

1:00:39deep level. And I I am sad that in LA

1:00:42it's harder to get those interactions.

1:00:44>> Um but I think uh

1:00:48I don't know LA is is it is it isn't

1:00:52it's strange.

1:00:53>> Yes. And it can make you feel I remember

1:00:55after living in New York coming back to

1:00:56LA and being like well I've never felt

1:00:59uglier more exposed more alone driving

1:01:02in the car looking in the mirror like

1:01:06>> like you're alien you're like who is

1:01:08that?

1:01:09>> It's so bright.

1:01:10>> It's so bright there's nowhere to hide

1:01:12[snorts] and yet it only can hides you.

1:01:15I don't know but

1:01:17>> you love her.

1:01:17>> You love her. Come on. Seeing those

1:01:20hills speckled with homes lit up at

1:01:22night. [laughter]

1:01:23Drive down Hollywood Boulevard. It's a

1:01:25man with a machete outside the man's

1:01:27Chinese and you go

1:01:29>> and you I'm home.

1:01:30>> We're dreaming. We create the dreams,

1:01:33Amy. This town

1:01:35>> creates the fantasies that drive the

1:01:36world.

1:01:37>> And what's [laughter] um and what's

1:01:40making you laugh?

1:01:41>> My last question to you like like what

1:01:44do you do to laugh? And you can't say

1:01:48you're friends. just go watch people

1:01:50fall down at the supermarket. [laughter]

1:01:54Um, what makes me laugh is

1:01:57non-performers performing. Like,

1:01:59>> I've been to a couple weddings, a couple

1:02:01like those kinds of environments where

1:02:03someone who's not a performer is giving

1:02:06a speech.

1:02:07>> Yes.

1:02:08>> That is exquisite. [laughter]

1:02:10>> And let's talk through that because I

1:02:12know what you mean. And I bet you're the

1:02:13same like as women like our mirror

1:02:15neurons, we we don't want anyone to be

1:02:17humiliated. No, of course. Of course

1:02:19not.

1:02:19>> And it's sweet. You see people scary up

1:02:21there? I'm a performer. I'm scared up

1:02:22there.

1:02:23>> Yes. But when it's like a little bit

1:02:26awkward but fun, but what do you what

1:02:28what makes you laugh? Like what what do

1:02:30you what's your your like perfect

1:02:32version of that?

1:02:32>> I think what's so fascinating about

1:02:34wedding speeches is there's like this

1:02:36template and people are like

1:02:39>> like this is something I've talked about

1:02:40with John. So classically the bridesmaid

1:02:44speech, you're the bride, right?

1:02:45>> You're this, you're funny, it's fine.

1:02:47and come. It's listing things. And in

1:02:49the vows too, it's usually

1:02:52and [laughter]

1:02:53whether we're or

1:02:56it's like so shocking. It's like this

1:02:58rehearsed and there's a beauty in that.

1:03:00Like this is the structure we can all

1:03:01fall into and collapse into those

1:03:03familiar language and everyone knows

1:03:04exactly what's going to happen. And but

1:03:06but it's like that's funny. Yes.

1:03:08>> Like that that that's [laughter]

1:03:10that's really and again the listing

1:03:12traits.

1:03:13>> Yes.

1:03:14>> It's always listing traits.

1:03:15>> I know. It's so funny.

1:03:16>> You're goofy. You're smart. [laughter]

1:03:18You're kind. And you're generous.

1:03:21Listing traits.

1:03:24We have to go beyond the list.

1:03:26>> Yes. But breaking out of that is

1:03:28>> I understand too. I'm saying that I'm

1:03:30not admonishing the list. I get it.

1:03:32>> You're right. That's You could hear that

1:03:34language. You could hear that rhythm and

1:03:36>> a hint a hint and a [laughter]

1:03:38It's like it's really there. Yeah.

1:03:43>> Yeah. I totally I love a wedding. love

1:03:47>> if it's a bad wedding, I'm like, [sighs]

1:03:51you know, if everyone if there's like a

1:03:53clumsy speech or people are stressed or

1:03:55the wrong person cries or the ex is

1:03:57there and it's awkward, I'm like, oh my

1:03:59god, what theater. And if it's beautiful

1:04:01and full of love, I'm like, amazing. I

1:04:04love that, too. I love a wedding.

1:04:05>> And I and I just I love parties so much

1:04:08and I'm very like planner. Like, if I

1:04:09didn't if I didn't do what I do, I think

1:04:12I'd be like party planner. [laughter]

1:04:15I've never I've never Yeah, maybe.

1:04:18>> Wait, tell me.

1:04:19>> Professor/p partyy planner. [laughter]

1:04:21>> Yeah,

1:04:22>> but what parties make me a little

1:04:23stressed? They're very unstructured.

1:04:25>> No, totally. Well, I I go, "Oh my god,

1:04:27the apps like bring out the apps now."

1:04:29You know, I was actually at a wedding

1:04:31recently. Nice one. App broken glass

1:04:33bleeding in my mouth.

1:04:35>> Ran to the bathroom. There's blood. I

1:04:37spit I spit out in THE CEVICHE. THERE'S

1:04:39GLASS.

1:04:40>> SO, [laughter] I GO BACK. I GO I GO IN.

1:04:42I don't tell anyone. I'm not going to

1:04:43ruin this wedding. I go into the kitchen

1:04:45through the doors into the metal doors.

1:04:47I go, "Guys, the ceviche trays, you got

1:04:49to pull them. You got to pull them.

1:04:50There's glass, you know, and I quietly

1:04:54Oh,

1:04:54>> quietly.

1:04:55>> You want to put out those fires

1:04:56>> and all micro like I definitely have

1:04:58like kind of a white knuckle grip. Like

1:05:00I love to have a dinner party or

1:05:02something and I love to spend the days

1:05:03awake, you know, the nights before. It's

1:05:06not a simple. It's it's not the

1:05:07effortless host is a lie. I I think it's

1:05:09real. Some people actually can do that,

1:05:12>> but like I'm like

1:05:13>> shaking.

1:05:14>> Yeah,

1:05:15>> but there's things you can't control.

1:05:16You can control the party, but guess

1:05:17what? Overcontrolled party. Hell. Hell

1:05:19for everyone.

1:05:19>> Hell.

1:05:20>> So that's the thing. You have to create

1:05:21the structure, but you have to let it to

1:05:22dissolve.

1:05:23>> Yeah. Yes. You might burn like

1:05:25something's going to burn the like

1:05:27someone's going to get into a bite. Like

1:05:29wine will be spilled. A chimney sweep

1:05:31may show up. [laughter]

1:05:34>> Yeah, he might.

1:05:35>> Yeah, he might. Hey, he might give you

1:05:36TMJ,

1:05:37>> but you keep going.

1:05:39>> And that is something the second thing

1:05:41we want you to take away from other than

1:05:43having sex with your sibling. Don't do

1:05:44that. [laughter]

1:05:45>> Don't. Guys, don't do it. Don't do it.

1:05:49[gasps]

1:05:49>> Capland. [laughter]

1:05:52>> I love you. Wait. I love you so much.

1:05:55You are a hero to me. I have no trouble

1:05:57saying that to you. And also truly going

1:06:00through a really hard time recently.

1:06:01What did I pop on? Wet hot.

1:06:05They came together double feature

1:06:07[laughter]

1:06:09because I'm like I need something funny.

1:06:11I'm thinking okay funny movie. What's a

1:06:12funny movie? Oh that's funny. Nothing's

1:06:14coming up. And then I go we're going

1:06:17we're going back to with wet hot lives

1:06:19in my DNA and such a I mean

1:06:22>> you must have been a teen when it came

1:06:23out. Right.

1:06:24>> Yeah. I don't remember when I first saw

1:06:25it. I saw it later.

1:06:27>> Yeah.

1:06:27>> But um

1:06:28>> it is the most beautiful and just Yeah.

1:06:32>> Thank you, Kate. I love I love seeing

1:06:34>> and that's just the tip. I'm not going

1:06:36to do your CV. We all know. But I love

1:06:38you.

1:06:38>> Thank you, Kate.

1:06:39>> I love you.

1:06:42>> Thank you so much, Kate Bland. That was

1:06:44so fun. I love talking to you and you're

1:06:46so funny and um it's just a joy to be

1:06:50around you. So, uh Kate and I talked

1:06:52about a lot of things. One of the things

1:06:53we talked about is how fun it is to

1:06:56watch a awkward wedding speech. But I

1:07:00just want to say for people that are

1:07:02right now getting ready to give a

1:07:03speech, a wedding speech, just a few

1:07:06tips. Here are my unsolicited tips,

1:07:09which start with a joke, end

1:07:14sincere. Don't do it the other way

1:07:16around. Don't start sincere and then

1:07:19think that this hilarious joke is going

1:07:21to kill. Start with a really nice, easy

1:07:25joke up front. Maybe something about how

1:07:27you're nervous, something self- aacing,

1:07:30and then just get them at the end by

1:07:32being very, very sincere. You can never

1:07:35go wrong if you're sincere. You can go

1:07:38horribly wrong if you say the wrong

1:07:41joke. So, that would be my unsolicited

1:07:44advice. But congratulations on your

1:07:46wedding and congratulations on being the

1:07:48bridesmaid. And um remember, take your

1:07:52speech and cut it in half because it's

1:07:53going to go longer than you think. Um,

1:07:56thank you so much for listening to Good

1:07:57Hang. Uh, thanks for checking in with us

1:07:59and, um, have a good one.

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